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Clarence Crow - 14 Oct 2004 19:56 GMT
Hello again all

In my last post I mentioned I've just got hooked up with a Clinical
Trials Program, which is great :)

I noticed in one of the posts Steve Kramer mentioned he had
Diverticulitis and was taking Metamucil for it.

I have it too, and the gastro-enteroligist concluded I had Irritable
Bowel Syndrome, tending towards Constipation. For this, I take
Granocol, lots of fibre in the diet and once a week blast out on a
Colon Cleanse containing Magnesium Oxide.

Somewhere down the track, I'll be saddling up for 3D EBRT.

I'm just wondering if the Rad exacerbates the IBS a lot and at what
period do you feel it most?


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-- Clarence Crow
Steve Kramer - 14 Oct 2004 20:42 GMT
Prostate-focused EBRT causes diarrhea, to some degree or another, in most if
not all people.  In my case, I was drinking liters of water daily, so the
damage wasn't that bad.  It still caught up with me eventually.  I had been
taking Metamucil to elminiate constipation.  Metamucil no longer became
necessary.  The diarrhea never became serious.  After EBRT, constipation and
Metamucil returned -- no worse.... no better.

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Prostate Cancer Survivor (so far), not a doctor
PSA 16 10/17/2000 @ 46
Biopsy 11/01/2000 G7 (3+4), T2c
RRP 12/15/2000 G7 (3+4), T3bN0M0
PSA  .1  .1  .1  .27  .37  .75
EBRT 05-07/2002 @ 47
PSA  .34 .22 .15 .21 .32
Lupron (1 mo) 07/21/2003 @ 48
PSA  .07 .05 .06
Lupron (3 mo) 8/03 (48), 12/03, 4/04 (49), 09/04 (50)
non illegitimi carborundum

> Hello again all
>
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>
> -- Clarence Crow
I P Freely - 17 Oct 2004 00:35 GMT
I'm getting a RRP (and a colon resection) in a couple of weeks, but
consulted a radiation oncologist before committing to the RRP for a reality
check after seeing several surgeons and reading a bunch of books by
surgeons -- every one biased towards surgery. When the radiation weenie saw
that I already had some IBS and an overactive bladder, she said . . . CUT!
Radiation tends to exacerbate existing urinary and colon problems long term,
she (and the books) said, and I DON'T need that!

But while we're on the topic, are you aware that many cases of "IBS" are
self-inflicted and easily cured almost overnight, free, almost permanently,
by yourself? White Bread. Too much white bread, aka plugs, including pasta,
white rice, so-called "wheat bread", junk food made from white bread, etc.
That's bad enough, but coupled with insufficient fluid intake it's a
nightmare. Hint: ever roll up a ball of Wonder Bread, pack it tightly, and
bounce it off a wall? The dang stuff can be DRIBBLED like a Superball! Now
imagine that in your gut.

Since I quit eating any bread or pasta whose first ingredient is not "whole
wheat", my IBS went away, about 15 years ago. I can make it return any time
by eating much bread in a seafood restaurant (it's always white bread
sourdough), restaurant pasta (always white bread), etc. "Wheat Bread"? Look
at the ingredients: it's NOT whole wheat; it's man-made white bread with a
dash of molasses or food coloring to LOOK like whole wheat. Another
gauranteed relapse for me is to stuff my face at a buffet and forget to CRAM
down fluids the entire rest of the day.

If the notion of self-inflicted -- and self-healing from -- IBS intrigues
you, there's more available on the 'net from reliable sources. OTOH, I don't
NEED reliability for an experiment so simple, logical, cheap, and safe.

I.P.

> Hello again all
>
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> I'm just wondering if the Rad exacerbates the IBS a lot and at what
> period do you feel it most?
Steve Kramer - 17 Oct 2004 02:01 GMT
I probably should know this (as I probably suffer from it), but what is IBS?

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Prostate Cancer Survivor (so far), not a doctor
PSA 16 10/17/2000 @ 46
Biopsy 11/01/2000 G7 (3+4), T2c
RRP 12/15/2000 G7 (3+4), T3bN0M0
PSA  .1  .1  .1  .27  .37  .75
EBRT 05-07/2002 @ 47
PSA  .34 .22 .15 .21 .32
Lupron (1 mo) 07/21/2003 @ 48
PSA  .07 .05 .06
Lupron (3 mo) 8/03 (48), 12/03, 4/04 (49), 09/04 (50)
non illegitimi carborundum

> I'm getting a RRP (and a colon resection) in a couple of weeks, but
> consulted a radiation oncologist before committing to the RRP for a reality
[quoted text clipped - 45 lines]
> > I'm just wondering if the Rad exacerbates the IBS a lot and at what
> > period do you feel it most?
Clarence Crow - 17 Oct 2004 04:32 GMT
>I probably should know this (as I probably suffer from it), but what is IBS?

Shame on you Steve!
"IBS" is what the Gastro-Enterologist says you have after all other
avenues have been explored and exhausted viz:
Endoscopy, Barium Enema, Colonoscopy etc. etc.
Just Google for "Irritable Bowel Syndrome"

-- "if you can see it coming, head it off at the pass, else put the wagons in a circle" lol
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-- Clarence Crow
Steve Kramer - 17 Oct 2004 18:28 GMT
OOOOOOOOhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.  Well, then I don't have it.  Cuz they already dx'd
diverticulae.

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Prostate Cancer Survivor (so far), not a doctor
PSA 16 10/17/2000 @ 46
Biopsy 11/01/2000 G7 (3+4), T2c
RRP 12/15/2000 G7 (3+4), T3bN0M0
PSA  .1  .1  .1  .27  .37  .75
EBRT 05-07/2002 @ 47
PSA  .34 .22 .15 .21 .32
Lupron (1 mo) 07/21/2003 @ 48
PSA  .07 .05 .06
Lupron (3 mo) 8/03 (48), 12/03, 4/04 (49), 09/04 (50)
non illegitimi carborundum

> >I probably should know this (as I probably suffer from it), but what is IBS?
>
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>
> -- Clarence Crow
Clarence Crow - 17 Oct 2004 22:25 GMT
>OOOOOOOOhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.  Well, then I don't have it.  Cuz they already dx'd
>diverticulae.

Well I have them too, found and confirmed by 4 *Barium Enemas
and 1 Colonoscopy over a period of 20 yrs.

*Really "white knuckle" stuff. They almost had to get get the Building
Inspector in to check the intetegrity of the structure after I
"resonated" the walls when I was finally allowed to pass wind!

-- "if you can see it coming, head it off at the pass, else put the wagons in a circle"
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-- Clarence Crow
I P Freely - 19 Oct 2004 23:14 GMT
Diverticulae and IBS are essentially unrelated. We can have either or
neither or one or the other.

non illegitimi electakerrium

I.P.

> OOOOOOOOhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.  Well, then I don't have it.  Cuz they already
> dx'd
> diverticulae.
> non illegitimi carborundum
 
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