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4+ glasses of red wine per week may reduce risk of pca by 50%
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c palmer - 23 Sep 2004 20:52 GMT Posted By: News-Medical in Men's Health NewsPublished: Thursday, 23-Sep-2004
Four or more glasses of red wine per week may reduce risk of prostate cancer by 50 percent
Drinking a glass of red wine a day may cut a man's risk of prostate cancer in half, and the protective effect appears to be strongest against the most aggressive forms of the disease, according to a new study led by investigators at Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center. The findings, by Janet L. Stanford, Ph.D., and colleagues in Fred Hutchinson's Public Health Sciences Division, appear online in The International Journal of Cancer. "We found that men who consumed four or more glasses of red wine per week reduced their risk of prostate cancer by 50 percent," Stanford said. "Among men who consumed four or more 4-ounce glasses of red wine per week, we saw about a 60 percent lower incidence of the more aggressive types of prostate cancer," said Stanford, senior author of the study. "The more clinically aggressive prostate cancer is where the strongest reduction in risk was observed." Stanford and colleagues found no significant effects positive nor negative associated with the consumption of beer or hard liquor and no consistent risk reduction with white wine, which suggests that there must be a beneficial compound in red wine that other types of alcohol lack. That compound, Stanford and colleagues believe, may be an antioxidant called resveratrol, which is abundant in the skins of red grapes but much less so in the skins of white grapes. The compound is also found in peanuts and raspberries and is available as a dietary supplement, which has been suggested to protect against cardiovascular disease. Laboratory studies indicate that resveratrol influences a variety of biological pathways that are important in cancer development. For example: As an antioxidant, it helps sweep dangerous, cancer-causing free radicals from the body. As a potent anti-inflammatory agent, it blocks certain enzymes that promote tumor development. The compound also reduces cell proliferation, curtailing the number of cell divisions that could lead to cancer or the continued growth of cancer cells. It also enhances apoptosis, or programmed cell death, which helps rid the body of cancerous cells. It may act as an estrogen, reducing levels of circulating male hormones such as testosterone that fuel the growth of prostate cancer. While the researchers found that the risk of prostate cancer decreased 6 percent for every glass of red wine consumed per week, Stanford is quick to point out that research shows the law of diminishing returns comes into play when consumption increases beyond moderation. "From a public-health standpoint, it's difficult to recommend any alcohol consumption given the risks associated with heavy consumption, from increased overall cancer risk to accidental injury and social problems. But for men who already are consuming alcohol, I think the results of this study suggest that modest consumption of red wine four to eight 4-ounce drinks per week is the level at which you might receive benefit. Clearly other studies show that more than that may have adverse effects on health." For the study, the researchers interviewed 753 newly diagnosed Seattle-area prostate-cancer patients as well as 703 healthy controls who served as a comparison group. Detailed information about tumor aggressiveness (such as tumor grade and disease stage) was obtained through the National Cancer Institute's Seattle-Puget Sound Surveillance, Epidemiology and End Results cancer registry. "Even though this study is based on relatively small numbers, the results are very intriguing and suggest that the potential beneficial effect of red wine and resveratrol if indeed resveratrol is the active chemopreventive agent involved would be very important, because it's the more aggressive forms of prostate cancer than are most important to prevent," she said. A particular strength of the study, Stanford said, is that the participants were relatively young, ranging in age from 40 to 64, and the majority were under 60. "By focusing on men under age 65, whose incidence of prostate cancer is much lower than that of older men, we can tease out the effect of a particular environmental exposure on cancer risk, such as wine consumption, more easily than if we were looking at men across the entire age range," she said. This is particularly true when studying complex diseases such as prostate cancer in which numerous genetic and environmental factors are thought to play a role over an individual's lifetime. Another strength of the study is that in addition to being surveyed about lifetime alcohol consumption, participants were asked about a variety of other risk factors for prostate cancer, such as diet, family history of cancer, screening for prostate cancer and tobacco use, all of which were taken into account and adjusted for when analyzing the data. While the majority of studies to date have assessed the effects of overall alcohol use on prostate-cancer risk, fewer studies have attempted to compare the effects of wine versus beer versus hard liquor, and only one previous study has compared the impact of red versus white wine on prostate-cancer risk, said Stanford, also a professor of epidemiology at the University of Washington School of Public Health and Community Medicine. The previous study, the Netherlands Cohort Study, evaluated prostate-cancer risk in relation to white and red wine consumption. Increased risks were found in men who consumed "white and fortified wines," but not red wine, as compared to nondrinkers, although there was not a consistent trend in risks with levels of intake. Interestingly, among men who consumed 15 or more grams of red wine per day (about one and a half glasses per day), there was an overall 18 percent reduction in risk and a 16 percent lower risk of advanced-stage prostate cancers. The Netherlands Cohort Study was initiated in 1986 and collected information by self-administered mailed questionnaires that asked about alcohol consumption during the prior year only. Thus, the Netherlands Cohort Study results only reflect associations with recent wine consumption, as investigators were unable to examine lifetime intake as was done in the current Fred Hutchinson study. "One of the reasons we wanted to do this study is because overall, most of the scientific literature around 17 studies to date haven't shown a consistent relationship between alcohol consumption and prostate cancer," Stanford said. "Some have shown an increase, some a decrease, and most no association whatsoever. Part of the problem, we believe, is that few of the studies have attempted to sort out the effects of different types of alcohol intake over a man's lifetime." Stanford and colleagues plan to seek funding to conduct a larger study to see if their results hold up. In collaboration with Norm Greenberg, Ph.D., of Fred Hutchinson's Clinical Research Division, they also plan to test the effects of resveratrol on mouse models of prostate cancer to see if giving mice this chemical compound will reduce the onset of prostate cancer and/or decrease the aggressiveness of the disease. The first author of the study, W. Marieke Schoonen, M.S., formerly a graduate student in Stanford's group, is now a doctoral student at the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine. The National Cancer Institute, National Institutes of Health and U.S. Department of Health and Human Services funded the research. http://www.fhcrc.org/
knowledge is power - growing old is mandatory - growing wise is optional "Many more men die with prostate cancer than of it. Growing old is invariably fatal. Prostate cancer is only sometimes so."
jhhtexas@ieee.org - 24 Sep 2004 17:10 GMT I have taken this advice to heart and have a glass of Sutter Home Cabarnet Sauvaigon every night while watching TV news. Of course I had an RRP 3 months ago, but it's still a good excuse (more for my heart than my departed prostate).
> Posted By: News-Medical in Men's Health NewsPublished: Thursday, > 23-Sep-2004 [quoted text clipped - 124 lines] > "Many more men die with prostate cancer than of it. Growing old is > invariably fatal. Prostate cancer is only sometimes so." c palmer - 24 Sep 2004 19:26 GMT as a followup, my local tv station broadcasted a report on the red wine and prostate cancer.
they also added that it is ONLY red wine that works. white beer, beer, and hard drinks have no effect.
~ curtis
knowledge is power - growing old is mandatory - growing wise is optional "Many more men die with prostate cancer than of it. Growing old is invariably fatal. Prostate cancer is only sometimes so."
Keith Lundy - 24 Sep 2004 20:23 GMT I should have stuck with the red wine!!!!!
Keith Lundy/So. California 40 Proton Beam Radiation Treatments Loma Linda Univ.Med Ctr..3/03-5/03
Larry - 24 Sep 2004 23:28 GMT Ah but this from the BBC:
Guinness good for you - official
The old advertising slogan "Guinness is Good for You" may be true after all, according to researchers. A pint of the black stuff a day may work as well as an aspirin to prevent heart clots that raise the risk of heart attacks. Drinking lager does not yield the same benefits, experts from Wisconsin University told a conference in the US. Guinness were told to stop using the slogan decades ago - and the firm still makes no health claims for the drink. The Wisconsin team tested the health-giving properties of stout against lager by giving it to dogs who had narrowed arteries similar to those in heart disease. They found that those given the Guinness had reduced clotting activity in their blood, but not those given lager. Clotting is important for patients who are at risk of a heart attack because they have hardened arteries. A heart attack is triggered when a clot lodges in one of these arteries supplying the heart. Many patients are prescribed low-dose aspirin as this cuts the ability of the blood to form these dangerous clots. The researchers told a meeting of the American Heart Association in Orlando, Florida, that the most benefit they saw was from 24 fluid ounces of Guinness - just over a pint - taken at mealtimes. They believe that "antioxidant compounds" in the Guinness, similar to those found in certain fruits and vegetables, are responsible for the health benefits because they slow down the deposit of harmful cholesterol on the artery walls. However, Diageo, the company that now manufactures Guinness, said: "We never make any medical claims for our drinks."
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The original campaign in the 1920s stemmed from market research - when people told the company that they felt good after their pint, the slogan was born.
In England, post-operative patients used to be given Guinness, as were blood donors, because of its high iron content. This practice continues in Ireland.
Pregnant women and nursing mothers were at one stage advised to drink Guinness - the present advice is against this.
The entire article: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/3266819.stm
> I should have stuck with the red wine!!!!! > > Keith Lundy/So. California > 40 Proton Beam Radiation Treatments > Loma Linda Univ.Med Ctr..3/03-5/03 dale.j. - 25 Sep 2004 00:52 GMT > I should have stuck with the red wine!!!!! > > Keith Lundy/So. California > 40 Proton Beam Radiation Treatments > Loma Linda Univ.Med Ctr..3/03-5/03 Don't get carried away with expensive red wine. There are many reds that fall below 7 and 6 dollars a bottle and are very good. Look at the Chile, Australian, of course the French and Spain, they all make very good wine. Shop carefully.
A glass or two every day will do wonders. Cheers.
Dale J.
 Signature Email: dalej2@mac.com
Larry - 25 Sep 2004 01:32 GMT Don't forget the Italians! I love a good sangiovese - many very good ones for about $10.
> > I should have stuck with the red wine!!!!! > > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Dale J. Larry Wheat - 28 Sep 2004 11:49 GMT If you live near a Trader Joe's, go to one and ask about "two-buck Chuck" --- Charles Shaw wines. It's better than most, at a very low price.
Larry (not a shill, a satisfied customer)
Alan Meyer - 25 Sep 2004 19:32 GMT > I have taken this advice to heart and have a glass of Sutter Home > Cabarnet Sauvaigon every night while watching TV news. Of course I had > an RRP 3 months ago, but it's still a good excuse (more for my heart > than my departed prostate). Welllll, I thinnkk if fore glasesss wurks in one weeek, I kin rilly fixx myself up with foretteen glassses in one day.
Soooo. I'm ddooin it.
Allllannn
Beverley - 26 Sep 2004 05:39 GMT Ccchheers! Iss goood fur da hart tooo. Bve
> > I have taken this advice to heart and have a glass of Sutter Home > > Cabarnet Sauvaigon every night while watching TV news. Of course I had [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Allllannn Dave P - 30 Sep 2004 00:54 GMT Recent Research Study
In a study of hundreds of wines from around the globe, Cornell researcher Leroy Creasy found the highest resveratrol levels in pinot noir grapes grown in cooler, rainy places like the Finger Lakes region of upstate New York and Oregon's Willamette Valley. (In fact, the highest resveratrol content found in a wine was in Vinifera's Fleur de Pinot Noir, with four times as much as the nearest California pinot noir tested; chart). Long sown in France's cool Burgundy region, pinot noir is considered a finicky grape to grow, in part because it is susceptible to rot, which may be the reason it produces more resveratrol than other grapes--up to 40 times as much resveratrol as grapes such as merlot and cabernet sauvignon
Dave P
> Ccchheers! Iss goood fur da hart tooo. > Bve [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > > > Allllannn Smith - 28 Sep 2004 15:44 GMT Are some red wines better than others to help prevent PC? Did the study say which red wine they subjects drank?
Beverley - 29 Sep 2004 02:42 GMT From everything I've gathered on "red" wine the only thing I've really heard is red grape wine. Not beet wine or some flower wine but just plain red grape wine. It doesn't matter which red grapes it came from just that it is made with red grapes. (Which actually look bluish purple on the vine.) Most doctors prefer you drink something that is not sweet. Mainly because the sweetness will add extra calories to your caloric intake. It really doesn't matter if you are drinking a Bordeaux, Sangiovese or a Cabernet Franc grape. And if you don't want the alcohol then just drink some grape juice. Red wines have long enjoyed a reputation for being "good for you". Moderation is the key. A glass of wine with a meal is quite nice. Reds will also last a little longer once opened if kept refrigerated. A bottle of white (refrigerated) is usually only good for cooking or salad dressing after about 48 hours. People who really get into the wines will tell you to drink a Sangiovese with spaghetti or other tomato based food. Personally I don't think it matters - drink what you like! If you have no clue what you like try visiting a few wineries and taste their wines. If you don't live near a winery then try a different bottle each time you visit the store or watch for wine tastings in your area. Even some restaurants have wine by the inch nights which allow the patrons to sample lots of different wines and some exotic wines. Most of the table wines are blends. It will say "table wine" on the label. These tend to be mild blended middle of the road type of wines. They are little sweeter than some of the dry wines but not as sweet as a dessert wine. It's a good place to start. Just remember every winery will produce a different wine even with the same name. So just because you didn't like one brand you might like another brand. After a while you'll decide you don't like it no matter whose name is on the label. LOL Bev
> Are some red wines better than others to help prevent PC? Did the > study say which red wine they subjects drank? Smith - 29 Sep 2004 15:44 GMT Bev,
Thank you very much for the feedback. Here is my scenario. I very rarely ever drink. I think I can count on one hand how many times I've had any alcohol in the last two years. I guess I'm sort of scared to drink as I've seen a family friend turn into an alcholic and his life has been ruined. However I'm very interested in the red wine study because the suggestions that it greatly reduced the risk of aggressive PC.
You've indicated that I could drink red grape juice. Do you know of this has studies that are similar to the red wine in helping prevent PC? (I would rather drink grape juice.)
Beverley - 30 Sep 2004 02:06 GMT Drink grape juice!
The pinot noir I believe is the darkest grape very black in color. Therefore it probably does have more resveratrol in it. It's also in raspberries, mulberries and peanuts. (Which {peanuts}completely blows the dark red color assumption. LOL)
I would never tell anyone to drink alcohol. But what makes one an alcoholic? I could not tell you. I will say drinking for the "wrong" reasons is probably a major contributor. I doubt having a glass of wine for medicinal reasons would turn someone into an alcoholic but I guess it could if that person was so inclined.
If you are not used to drinking, a glass of wine is apt to knock you off your feet. So if you do decide to try it then make sure you drink it with a meal. Sip it slowly. Another possibility is to mix the wine with the grape juice (gawk!) but that would give you some of the benefits of the wine without the higher alcohol content yet still give you some resveratrol. Another possibility is to allow the wine to age in the open air. The alcohol will evaporate but I don't know what that would do to the resveratrol. It's possible that would reduce the resveratrol in it, too.
The other thing is I have never heard that will reduce the risk of aggressive PC. It seems to aid in slowing the progression of some tumorous cancers. Personally I think red wine falls under the "can't hurt, might help" category. I believe wine has been studied more for it cardio benefits.
Drinking lots of grape juice (not the white grape) would be better for the tea teetotaler. But remember it is also higher in sugar than orange juice or apple juice. Therefore your carb/sugar/calorie intake will increase.
Only you can decide if you want to supplement your diet with wine. Obviously 4 glasses a week is considered good for you. Sixteen glasses probably is not. Would 8 half glasses be better than 4 full glasses? It might be easier on your system. But again a glass of wine is not a big 16 oz ice tea sized glass!!
Bottom line you can try it. You might not even like the taste. But if you have any reservations about drinking alcohol then just don't do it! Resveratrol is also in "purple" grape juice. You might try looking for a no sugar added grape juice. Bev (just rambling)
> Bev, > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > this has studies that are similar to the red wine in helping prevent > PC? (I would rather drink grape juice.) Glenn Enoch - 30 Sep 2004 12:45 GMT Here's one definition: You're an alcoholic if your life gets better when you quit drinking. ;-)
On 9/29/04 9:06 PM, in article D_I6d.5860$ku4.2055@trnddc01, "Beverley" <beverly.brown28@verizon.net> wrote:
> I would never tell anyone to drink alcohol. But what makes one an alcoholic? > I could not tell you. I will say drinking for the "wrong" reasons is > probably a major contributor. I doubt having a glass of wine for medicinal > reasons would turn someone into an alcoholic but I guess it could if that > person was so inclined. Beverley - 30 Sep 2004 14:31 GMT I guess we are going completely off subject but I've seen several (serious) definitions of alcoholism over the years and I've never seen one that really describes it. Maybe because it is slightly different for each alcoholic? But your definition is the best nutshell! As the daughter of someone who possibly was an alcoholic it is something I've pondered many times, especially since I do drink. I will NEVER follow in his footsteps!! Bev
> Here's one definition: You're an alcoholic if your life gets better when you > quit drinking. ;-) [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > reasons would turn someone into an alcoholic but I guess it could if that > > person was so inclined. Claude - 30 Sep 2004 14:47 GMT >I guess we are going completely off subject but I've seen several (serious) > definitions of alcoholism over the years and I've never seen one that [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > especially since I do drink. I will NEVER follow in his footsteps!! > Bev My wife was an alcoholism counselor. It's a very complex disease. However, I asked her to define an alcoholic in the simplest way possible. She said that it is someone who has a compulsion to drink and whose drinking causes problems in his or her life. Obviously the two are related.
c palmer - 30 Sep 2004 23:26 GMT I guess we are going completely off subject but I've seen several (serious) definitions of alcoholism over the years and I've never seen one that really describes it. Maybe because it is slightly different for each alcoholic? But your definition is the best nutshell! As the daughter of someone who possibly was an alcoholic it is something I've pondered many times, especially since I do drink. I will NEVER follow in his footsteps!! Bev My wife was an alcoholism counselor. It's a very complex disease. However, I asked her to define an alcoholic in the simplest way possible. She said that it is someone who has a compulsion to drink and whose drinking causes problems in his or her life. Obviously the two are related. ============= hi claude - when everyone started to discuss what makes up an alcoholic, my thinking was along the lines that most people might know. then it dawned on me, that i'm used to it because of my training when i was counselling. allow me to shed some light on this subject.
first, a little lighter side. when i was in the service and we were standing in ranks, the military decided to crack down on drinking. so, they ask with a show of hands who had been drunk at least three times in the past year. about 1/2 the hands went up. the senior officer said, "ok, by the bureau's definition, you are all alcoholics." someone in the back asked about the 1/2 that didn't raise their hands. the officer's comments was, "they're all liars!!!"
now, down to business, there are basically 4 main stages to become an alcoholic. there was several substages inside some of the stages. they each have their own set of characteristics. this will be a very brief description of what's going on.........
the first stage - the experience of the drug. in other words - to get drunk.
the second stage - behavior change. this happens the first time you stop at the liquor store. why? because all the other times, you drive by. you now have had your behavior changed to where you are seeking out the drug. you are solely stopping at that store to purchase alcohol and nothing but alcohol. that is a behavior modification.
now, there are some sub stages within the 2nd stage, but i'm not going into them. it would take too long.
the third stage - the changing of the drinks. this is when someone switches from six beers to 3 double scotch. getting the same amount of alcohol, but are lying to themselves. might switch brands of booze.
blackouts are also one of the sub stages. most people think a blackout is where they pass out, but it's not. a black out in the alcoholic means that you are talking to them and they appear to be listening to you, but are in the black out mode. this causes a lot of problems because when you confront them on something they had promised to do or be there, they have no memory of saying so. they are telling the truth, but to the person who isn't the alcoholic, it sounds like a cop out and of course, starts an argument, which is turn, gives the person a reason to go drink.
now, there are other sub stages within the 3rd stage, but going straight to 4th stage.
fourth stage - having physical problems. body parts are rebelling, GI tract problems, liver problems, etc. again, there are sub stages within this period
the person who gets knee walking, toilet hugging drunk once a month is not an alcoholic. they are a drug abuser. there is a difference.
alcoholics make the best workers. by that - they do a great job - when they are there. which is why bosses don't like firing them because they can output so much work in such a short time. of course, the rest of the time, they're off, but usually keeps them at the teetering point to where the boss wants to fire them, but it is worth it to the company to keep them.
what's people don't understand is that the family has to get as mentally sick as the person is becoming physically sick. and because of that, they have certain traits. a person can not become an alcoholic unless there is an enabler. this is the one who makes the excuses for why the person is getting drunk. they might say, "X got drunk last night because of the stress of the job." or " X got drunk last night because of the kids were really acting up"
the first born of an alcoholic family is a hard worker. they know something is wrong and want to leave the house as soon as they are able. 80% usually go into social type work or services. the other children take on their own set of traits. one becomes the family clown - to take the spotlight off of the drunk. one becomes what is known as the "quiet one" doesn't cause any waves.
this might be more info that people want to know, but alcoholism is a disease, and as a disease, it has certain traits. did you know that if an alcoholic stops drinking after, say 5 years, and goes 15 years without touching a drop. then goes back to drinking again. the disease will pick up where they were had they been drinking for the entire 20 years. that is why alcoholic people have a hard time handling any drinking.
i know this is OT, but is such an important subject, that is worth commenting on.
hope this will help someone.
~ curtis
knowledge is power - growing old is mandatory - growing wise is optional "Many more men die with prostate cancer than of it. Growing old is invariably fatal. Prostate cancer is only sometimes so."
Smith - 29 Sep 2004 15:53 GMT I also found this information:
Dear Drs. Dave and Dee,
Some coworkers have been talking about how everyone should drink wine for their health! Is it true that drinking wine is now good for you? How much is good?
Signed,
Nondrinker
Dear Nondrinker,
Drinking wine for good health seems to be getting all the press probably because it's an intoxicating beverage.
However, there have been studies supporting intake of nonalcoholic beverages such as grape juice, cranberry juice, or tea with lower incidence of cancer, heart disease, and other diseases. (Click on links below).
Support for moderate consumption of wine, 1-2 glasses, and a decrease in coronary heart disease first came to public attention via the "60 Minutes" report on the "French Paradox". The French had a lower incidence of coronary heart disease despite their diet high in fat. One possible reason given for the low rate of coronary heart disease in France was the French habit of drinking wine with meals.
The antioxidant, "resveratrol", is in grapes. Resveratrol lowers the "bad" LDL cholesterol, but elevates the "good" HDL cholesterol levels. More recent research indicates that perhaps the French are consuming fewer calories citing smaller restaurant portions and prepared packaged foods.
Red wines have a higher level of resveratrol than white wines, in particular, the red wine, pinot noir, has about twice as much as other reds.
For people who do not want to drink alcohol, there are alternatives. Some research has pointed out that cranberry juice, red or purple grape juice work as well, maybe better, than red wine. However, fresh grapes do not have as high a concentration of antioxidants as processed grape juice or wine.
Although some health food stores sell resveratrol as a nutritional supplement., more research needs to be done on this supplement to see if it has the same benefits as wine or grape juice.
In addition, other studies indicate that black or green tea may be more beneficial than wine in reducing heart disease as well as cancer and other diseases.
Note, 2 cups of tea have approximately the equivalent antioxidant as 2 glasses of purple grape juice, or 2 glasses of red wine, or 12 glasses of white wine.
However, tea, grape juice, or wine consumption doesn't take the place of a healthy lifestyle which should include exercise, no smoking, low fat foods, lots of fruits, vegetables, grains, and water.
See links below for more information: http://www.drdaveanddee.com/wine1.html
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