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jk - 13 Sep 2004 21:10 GMT
I kind of lost touch with my uro/surgeon after 2 years of good PSA results.
My GP says that once a year is sufficient. What do the rest of you do about
frequency of testing?

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jimhoney - 13 Sep 2004 21:54 GMT
GP says once a year.

But at my request he doesn't send me the results.  If the PSA started to
rise I assume he would have to contact me.

jimhoney

> I kind of lost touch with my uro/surgeon after 2 years of good PSA results.
> My GP says that once a year is sufficient. What do the rest of you do about
> frequency of testing?
Clyde Lomax - 13 Sep 2004 22:03 GMT
I have a test each 6 months and am 5 years post op.  I don't know if it is a
benefit or not but it is a ritual now.

My surgeon has since moved out of state but I still send a copy of the lab
work to him.  Very grateful..

lomax

> GP says once a year.
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c palmer - 13 Sep 2004 23:29 GMT
everytime i get blood workup, i make sure they ran the psa test.  i'm 17
months post op.  i had the psa ran in may and i am suppose to have the
psa done in nov.  but i just had the blood drawn from the usual tests
because i have a doctor's appointment next monday and the psa test was
one of them.  as a footnote,  i didn't have to request it - it was
already on the list of tests to run.

~ curtis

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"Many more men die with prostate cancer than of it. Growing old is
invariably fatal. Prostate cancer is only sometimes so."
kastons - 14 Sep 2004 04:31 GMT
My doc has requested that I have my PSA checked every 3 months for the 1st
year then every 6 months for the next 4.

Sandy K.
Age 47
2/04 PSA 4.9
6/17/04 RRP

> I kind of lost touch with my uro/surgeon after 2 years of good PSA results.
> My GP says that once a year is sufficient. What do the rest of you do about
> frequency of testing?
Danny McCarty - 14 Sep 2004 21:26 GMT
>Subject: PSA testing schedule after 2 years?
>From: "jk" jksinrod@aol.com
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>My GP says that once a year is sufficient. What do the rest of you do about
>frequency of testing?

Once a year is the standard, I believe.  I would be on that now, actually, if I
had followed the normal course.
Leonard Evens - 14 Sep 2004 21:39 GMT
>  I kind of lost touch with my uro/surgeon after 2 years of good PSA results.
> My GP says that once a year is sufficient. What do the rest of you do about
> frequency of testing?

My urologist told me to have tests every 3 months for two years and
every 6 months for another to years to be followed by once a year
subsequently.  I am about it have my last 6 months test in about a week.

I think this is just a matter of which protocol your doctor decides make
sense to him.  My urologist uses one similar to what Walsh used to
recommend, but now Walsh recommends less frequent testing.  My cancer
was a Gleason 7, which might have something to do with it, but I think
these guys just adopt a standard procedure and stick to it for a while.
 Some change quickly and others are more conservative and want to see
more data.

I think Walsh would recommend once a year, but if you have any doubts,
call your urologist and ask him.
Alan Meyer - 17 Sep 2004 00:25 GMT
> I kind of lost touch with my uro/surgeon after 2 years of good PSA results.
> My GP says that once a year is sufficient. What do the rest of you do about
> frequency of testing?

I wonder if anyone knows the real answer to this question.

In theory, I would think the answer would depend on
whether early intervention after PSA failure provides
more chance for a cure, or at least for a longer life.

Clearly, in the early stages after RP, many failures
are caused by metastases in the immediate region of
the prostate bed, where salvage radiation can reach
and possibly cure them.  Rates of cure with salvage
radiation are shown to be directly proportional to how
quickly it is applied - though obviously if the metastases
are distant it doesn't matter how soon you radiate -
you can't reach the cancer.

Some doctors argue that hormone therapy too is more
effective if begun immediately after PSA failure.  Some
disagree.  I don't know if there is a consensus among
the experts on that yet.

Finally, I don't know whether the options for salvage
radiation are still viable in the case of PSA failure two
or more years after treatment.  If so, then early
detection would seem to be desirable.

The only possible arguments I can think of for not
doing frequent PSA tests are:

1. It doesn't matter - but see above.  We don't know
that it doesn't matter.

2. There is extra cost.  But that seems penny wise and
pound foolish to me.  The cost of the test is low.

3. The psychological burden for some men may be
increased by frequent testing.  But on the other hand
it may be reduced in other men.

So to my mind it all boils down to one issue: Can early
detection of PSA failure lead to a better chance of curing
the cancer or at least of prolonging life?

If the answer is "Yes" (and I don't know if it is) then I
would think that once per year isn't ideal.  If the answer
is "We don't know", then it seems like more than once
per year is a more conservative strategy than once per
year.

   Alan
Beverley - 18 Sep 2004 02:27 GMT
A good friend of ours had his RP in 1991. I will assume (from a few things
he did say) he did not have any nerve sparing and no I'm not going to ask
him about erections. He was checked about every six months for the first
couple of years then he went to yearly check-ups. About 3.5 years ago his
PSA jumped. It was just a little bump upwards. So they checked him again in
about 6 weeks. Sure enough it was a wee bit higher, so they repeated the
test 3 weeks later and yes there was an upward trend. It was not a fluke. So
they sent him to the hospital and had ultrasounds and some other scan done
on him. It was decided that he had about one-third to half his prostate.
Uhhhhh????? His doctor explained to him that they cannot remove all the
prostate - it's physically impossible without damaging the bladder etc. So
they remove the vast majority or something that seems to be about 100% of
the prostate. In the 10 years that followed after his RP (with undetectable
PSA's < 0.01) what small amount was left began to regenerate and with it so
did the cancer. Our friend was sent to radiation where he received "salvage"
radiation to the prostate bed. Since then his PSA's have returned to < 0.01.

Knowing this I want my husband to have his PSA checked every 6 months for
the rest of his life! My husband will have is PSA checked again the end of
this month.
Bev

> > I kind of lost touch with my uro/surgeon after 2 years of good PSA
> results.
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>     Alan
carriertech - 20 Sep 2004 01:41 GMT
I had seed implants in late Feb. this year.  That was followed after three
weeks by six weeks of 3D radiation.  My doctor, and actually all at this
clinic, require PSAs every 6 mo. "for life".
Terry M.
Pre-implant PSA-6.4
At 3mo.-1.65
At 6mo.-0.63
Steve Kramer - 17 Sep 2004 11:30 GMT
I suspect your GP is ill-equipped to have an opinion post-PCa and post-RP.

My uro's plans, as laid out before my RP, was quarterly for two years then
semiannually for a couple of years, then annual.

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> I kind of lost touch with my uro/surgeon after 2 years of good PSA results.
> My GP says that once a year is sufficient. What do the rest of you do about
> frequency of testing?
 
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