Most Who Had Surgery or Radiation Were Impotent 5 Years Later
By Salynn Boyles
WebMD Medical News Reviewed By Brunilda Nazario, MD
on Tuesday, September 14, 2004
Sept. 14, 2004 -- Most men treated for prostate cancer with surgery or
radiation are impotent five years after having surgery or radiation, and
a significant percentage have other health-related quality-of-life
issues, according to a study led by researchers from the National Cancer
Institute.
The findings suggest that the some of the consequences associated with
external radiation or surgery for prostate cancer are longer lasting
than has previously been believed. Both treatments were associated with
similar declines in overall sexual function.
However, erectile dysfunction became more common with time in men who
received external beam radiation, from half of all patients at two years
after treatment to 63% at five years. For comparison, five years after
surgery, four out of five men (80%) had erectile dysfunction.
"We were surprised to find that in terms of overall sexual function
(including impotence, libido, and sexual frequency) there was not much
difference between the surgery and radiation groups at five years," lead
researcher Arnold E. Potosky, PhD, tells WebMD. "Most people thought
that the sexual side effects were worse with surgery because that is
what early reports told us, but long-term the two treatments appear
similar."
Deciding on Treatment
This year, more than 200,000 men in the U.S. will face a diagnosis of
prostate cancer, and each will have to decide on a treatment strategy.
The main choices for men with localized cancer are surgical removal of
the prostate, radiotherapy, radioactive seed implants, or simply doing
nothing, known as watchful waiting.
Prostate cancers tend to be slow growing, with the time from diagnosis
to death from the cancer averaging over a decade.
Frustratingly, patients have had little information on which course of
action offers them the best chance of survival. No studies have directly
compared long-term survival between surgically- and radiation-treated
patients, and few have examined the long-term side effects associated
with the two treatments.
In the newly reported study, published in the Sept. 15 issue of the
Journal of the National Cancer Institute, Potosky and colleagues
followed more than 1,100 localized prostate cancer patients who had
either surgery or radiotherapy for five years following diagnosis.
No significant difference in the rates of erectile dysfunction was seen
in men who received surgery or external beam radiation. At two and five
years after diagnosis, roughly 80% complained of impotence. Impotence
rose from 50% at two years to 63% among men who received external beam
radiation.
The incidence of urinary incontinence at five years -- defined as
frequent leaking urine or no control of bladder function -- was 15% for
men undergoing surgery and 4% in men treated with radiation. However,
almost a third of the men treated with radiotherapy complained of bowel
urgency at five years compared with a fifth of the men who had surgery.
The finding of lasting compromises in quality of life is sure to add to
the already heated debate about the merits of aggressively diagnosing
and treating localized prostate cancer.
SOURCES: Potosky, A. Journal of the National Cancer Institute, Sept. 15,
2004; vol 96: pp 1358-1367. Arnold L. Potosky, PhD, epidemiologist,
Division of Cancer Control and Population Sciences, National Cancer
Institute, Bethesda, Md. Alan R. Kristal, PhD, associate head, cancer
prevention program. Steven B. Zeliadt, PhD, health services researcher,
Fred Hutchinson Cancer Center, Seattle.
knowledge is power - growing old is mandatory - growing wise is optional
"Many more men die with prostate cancer than of it. Growing old is
invariably fatal. Prostate cancer is only sometimes so."
ron - 15 Sep 2004 15:31 GMT
> However, erectile dysfunction became more common with time in men who
> received external beam radiation, from half of all patients at two years
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> what early reports told us, but long-term the two treatments appear
> similar."
At best this is useless information, at worst it can scare and
misguide men. To be informative the article should have stated what
the average age of the teated men was at 5 years post-treatment, and
what the ED rate is for an age-matched control group...Best wishes and
good health, Ron
Don Coon - 15 Sep 2004 16:23 GMT
> > However, erectile dysfunction became more common with time in men who
> > received external beam radiation, from half of all patients at two years
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> what the ED rate is for an age-matched control group...Best wishes and
> good health, Ron
Also, I didn't see any correlation to nerve sparing.
Alan Meyer - 15 Sep 2004 18:31 GMT
> > PALMER ENT@webtv.net (c palmer) wrote in message
> news:<25514-4147AE33-505@storefull-3151.bay.webtv.net>...snip...
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>
> Also, I didn't see any correlation to nerve sparing.
Ron's point is absolutely correct. I have read that most men
are impotent by age 80, and that the average age of diagnosis
of PCa is 71. So without age matched comparisons, the data
is indeed meaningless.
The article also says:
> The finding of lasting compromises in quality of life is
> sure to add to the already heated debate about the merits
> of aggressively diagnosing and treating localized prostate
> cancer.
What I hate most about the argument that, because many men
with PCa will die of something else, is that men are urged to
wait so long that treatment becomes impossible.
Clive R.'s postings from yesterday and earlier this year indicate
that his father-in-law was told not to worry when his PSA was 4,
then told not to worry when it was 5, then told it was too late for
treatment when his next PSA reading was 53.
Death from cancer seems to me to be a pretty long lasting
compromise in the quality of life.
Alan
Leonard Evens - 15 Sep 2004 21:58 GMT
> Most Who Had Surgery or Radiation Were Impotent 5 Years Later
>
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
> what early reports told us, but long-term the two treatments appear
> similar."
I hope that some correction has been made for age. The great bulk of
men treated for prostate cancer are over 65.
I was 67 when I had my RP, and I'm now 71. Next year, after 5 years, I
will be 72. Right now I can manage an erection by myself, but I do
better with 50 mg of Viagra. (I might be able to make do with less
Viagra if I could figure out how to split the pills that fine.) I was
impotent for something like 18 months after surgery, at which point
erections returned, and I haven't noticed any significant change since
then. Many men my age have problems with impotence---prostate cancer
patients can't account for the enormous popularity of Viagra. I have no
idea just where I would be had I not had the RP.
So the relevant question is how well these men are doing compared to men
of the same age who were not treated for prostate cancer. I would be
surprised if they weren't doing somewhat worse, but it may not be as
much worse as the above figures seem to indicate.
> Deciding on Treatment
> This year, more than 200,000 men in the U.S. will face a diagnosis of
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
> almost a third of the men treated with radiotherapy complained of bowel
> urgency at five years compared with a fifth of the men who had surgery.
The frequency of significant bladder control problems is much lower than
15 percent for patients treated for prostate cancer at high quality
medical centers. My surgeon told me that the chances of my having some
permanent stress incontinence was about 20 percent. As we here know,
minor stress incontinence is at most an annoyance. I wonder what the
study considered serious incontinence. Also, the same remark applies to
older men in the general population. Many such men have BPH and
associated problems with urination.
> The finding of lasting compromises in quality of life is sure to add to
> the already heated debate about the merits of aggressively diagnosing
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> "Many more men die with prostate cancer than of it. Growing old is
> invariably fatal. Prostate cancer is only sometimes so."
John Loomis - 16 Sep 2004 00:39 GMT
Hello Leonard and all.
I am not trying to boast, but after 5 years and having RP, I do not pee
myself, and sex is fine. It is even better when the spouse is in the mood.
Anyway, the report sounded morbid to me, and wondered where they came up
with the figures.
Yes, erectile function is not the same but at least it does work. and works
good....and with Viagra would scare a high schooler....
I am just as excited about sex now as I was prior to RP (Libido?)
anyway....reports like these make you wonder if you are still alive or not.
I am and still kicking. Just hoping no-one dies from not getting treated
while cancer is still in the prostate.
Hey, I could have a relapse, get hit by a truck, or..........
So, when the report says, most men..............etc.
I must not be one of the "most men"
John Loomis...Most to mean means just about all. Doesnt it!
> > Most Who Had Surgery or Radiation Were Impotent 5 Years Later
> >
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> > "Many more men die with prostate cancer than of it. Growing old is
> > invariably fatal. Prostate cancer is only sometimes so."