c palmer wrote:
hi john - do you think someone should tell his doctor??
~ curtis
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Johnny Ramone Is Not Dying, His Doctor Says
Posted on 06/16/2004 4:28:02 PM PDT

That was June, Curtis.
he died yesterday.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,7944-1265360,00.html
http://www.cnn.com/2004/SHOWBIZ/Music/09/16/obit.ramone.ap/ J
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hi J - the reason i ask was i saw conflicting articles written at the
same time frame.   here we had a doctor who said he's not dying, and The
Associated Press is reporting that his brother is stating that his
chances are slim.    i also have to factor in the fact that he is in the
public spotlight and that stating the true condition of his health is
usually not standard policy because of public image.

~ curtis
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MSNBC:

Johnny Ramone hospitalized
Spokesman says guitarist will leave hospital next week

The Ramones in 1982. Two members of the group have died in recent years.
The Associated Press

LOS ANGELES - Johnny Ramone, guitarist for the legendary punk band The
Ramones, was hospitalized with an infection related to prostate cancer,
his publicist said Thursday.
"He is receiving the medication he needs and will be leaving the
hospital next week to continue his recovery," spokesman Paul Bloch said.
Ramone, 55, whose birth name is John Cummings, was at Cedars-Sinai
Medical Center.
He and his wife, Linda, released the statement in response to recent,
conflicting reports about his health, Bloch said.
In an interview with Rolling Stone magazine, drummer Marky Ramone said
the guitarist's health was declining.
"He went through many chemotherapy treatments," Marky Ramone told the
magazine. "Some of it worked better than others. At this point (the
cancer) has started to go into other areas of the body."
Bloch said he was unaware of the Rolling Stone report.
"If someone says anything contrary, I don't know anything about that,"
Bloch said. "I got a call from Linda and Johnny last night and they
asked me to put out the statement."
Johnny Ramone was one of the original four members of the Ramones, whose
memorable three-chord anthems like "I Wanna Be Sedated" and "Blitzkrieg
Bop" landed them in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in 2002.
The band formed in Queens in the mid-1970s, eventually becoming
mainstays of the Bowery nightclub CBGB's where Blondie and the Talking
Heads both emerged.
The band's singer, Joey Ramone, whose real name is Jeff Hyman, died in
2001 of lymphatic cancer. Bassist Dee Dee Ramone, whose real name was
Douglas Colvin, died from a drug overdose in 2002.
The guitarist with pioneering punk rock band the Ramones is fighting a
losing a battle with cancer in a Los Angeles hospital, Rolling Stone
magazine reported on its Web site Tuesday.
Johnny Ramone, 55, whose real name is John Cummings, was diagnosed with
prostate cancer four years ago, and it has now spread throughout his
body, Rollingstone.com quoted the band's drummer, Marky Ramone, as
saying.
"Johnny's been a champ in confronting this, but at this point I think
the chances are slim," Marky Ramone said in the report. "John never
smoked cigarettes, he wasn't a heavy drinker and he was always into his
health. It just proves when cancer seeks a body to penetrate, it doesn't
matter how healthy you are or how unhealthy you are. It just seeps in
and there's nothing you can do."
The Ramones, famed for playing their high-energy, unpolished songs at
breakneck speed, rose to fame in New York City in 1974, paving the way
for such British punk rock icons as the Sex Pistols and the Clash.
The band made its mark with such tunes as "Blitzkrieg Bop," "Now I Wanna
Sniff Some Glue" and "Sheena Is a Punk Rocker," but it never achieved
the same commercial success as acts that followed in its path. The
Ramones officially retired in 1996.
The band's singer, Joey Ramone (ne Jeff Hyman), died in 2001 of
lymphatic cancer, while bassist Dee Dee Ramone (ne Douglas Colvin) died
from a drug overdose the following year.
© 2004 The Associated Press.

knowledge is power - growing old is mandatory - growing wise is optional    
"Many more men die with prostate cancer than of it. Growing old is
invariably fatal. Prostate cancer is only sometimes so."

Seriously, does anyone know anything about the course of his disease?
Less than 5 years is disconcerting. In a relatively young man too.
Bill
================hi bill -  it all depends on the time it's dx'ed.  in younger men, pca
tends to be more aggressive and of course, the younger men aren't
thinking they have pca either, so if it is a more aggressive gleason,
then usually, it is not in the curative stage.   nobody likes to think
in terms of the question you posed, but you are right, the disease has a
travel path it takes and it follows along a time table.  much like
alzheimer's,  we can't pin down the exact time and date when the disease
will reach that point, but we do know it will get there.  pca is the
same way.   the variables are in the pca side, in that we have found out
how to control some of them to extend the quantity and quality of life,
such as casodex, and lupron.

here's just a few of the names we know but may not have known these men
to have prostate cancer.

~ curtis
=========The names are familiar: actors Don Ameche, Bill Bixby, and Telly
Savalas, entertainment mogul Steve Ross, rock musician Frank Zappa.
Though show business links these men, they share another connection.
Each has died of prostate cancer.

But like Bixby, who was 59 when he died, and Zappa, who was 52, younger
men also can fall victim.

Famous people are going public. Sen. Jesse Helms, and former Sen. Bob
Dole have openly discussed their prostate cancer treatments. Others who
have publicly fought the disease include retired Gen. H. Norman
Schwarzkopf, Coliln Powell, Supreme Court Justice John Paul Stevens,
comedian Jerry Lewis, and former financier Michael Milken.

here's a short list of others .........

9 Nov 1970 - French statesman Charles de Gaulle dies of prostate cancer,

3 Jun 1989Iranian cleric Ayatollah Khomeini dies from prostate cancer,

12 Aug 1989Scientist and co-inventor of the transistor, William Shockley
dies of prostate cancer at his home on the Stanford University campus.

22 Nov 1993Actor Bill Bixby (who played David Banner in The Incredible
Hulk) dies of prostate cancer.

8 Jul 1994Actor Dick Sargent, the second Darin on Bewitched, dies of
prostate cancer at Cedars-Sinai Medical Center.

19 Aug 1994Scientist and two-time Nobel prizewinner Linus Pauling dies
of prostate cancer at his ranch, Big Sur CA.

8 Jan 1996Former French President François Mitterand dies from
prostate cancer in Paris.

31 May 1996LSD guru Timothy Leary dies of prostate cancer in his sleep
at his home in Beverly Hills CA.

7 Sep 1997Former Zaire dictator Mobutu Sese-Seko dies of prostate
cancer, in exile in Morocco.

28 Sep 2000Two-time former Canadian Prime Minister Pierre Trudeau dies
of prostate cancer at his home in Montréal.

15 Jun 2003Actor (and husband of Jessica Tandy) Hume Cronyn dies of
prostate cancer, at his home in Fairfield CT.

1 Jul 2003Jazz musician Herbie Mann dies of prostate cancer six years
after it is diagnosed, at his home in Santa Fe NM.

knowledge is power - growing old is mandatory - growing wise is optional    
"Many more men die with prostate cancer than of it. Growing old is
invariably fatal. Prostate cancer is only sometimes so."

John, let's stop writing about the useless war stuff- I don't want to start
talking about LBJ.   I'd have to take an extra lisinopril tablet.