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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Prostate Cancer / August 2004John Kerry and Dr. Patrick Walsh
The newspaper said today that John Kerry will reveal many personal anecdotes in his acceptance speech tomorrow night. I wonder if he will give Dr. Patrick Walsh any credit for his RP? Hi Jim Why is that an important factoid to be made public? Vernon > The newspaper said today that John Kerry will reveal many personal > anecdotes in his acceptance speech tomorrow night. I wonder if he will > give Dr. Patrick Walsh any credit for his RP? >Subject: Re: John Kerry and Dr. Patrick Walsh >From: "Vernon" openbox@verizon.net [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >Vernon Because there is a significant chance he could be dead of prostate cancer before his first term expires, if he is elected. He is not "cured"- there is no cure. >> The newspaper said today that John Kerry will reveal many personal >> anecdotes in his acceptance speech tomorrow night. I wonder if he will >> give Dr. Patrick Walsh any credit for his RP? SIGNATURE File: Ranking the 20th Century Presidents: 1.Reagan 2.Eisenhower 3.Kennedy 4.Nixon 5.Bush 6.Hoover 7.Truman 8.T.Roosevelt 9.Coolidge 10.Ford 11.Carter 12.McKinley 13.Taft 14.Harding 15.Harrison 16.Clinton 17.Wilson 18.F.Roosevelt 19.Johnson >>Subject: Re: John Kerry and Dr. Patrick Walsh >>From: "Vernon" openbox@verizon.net [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > before his first term expires, if he is elected. He is not "cured"- there is > no cure. I think we can presume that Patrick Walsh knows more about Kerry's chances of surviving four years than you do. There is no reason to believe that Walsh would falsify the facts for political reasons or even that he supports Kerry politically. Note that first of all Kerry's cancer was discovered early through PSA testing. There is no reason to believe his cancer was particularly aggressive. Certainly Walsh wouldn't have said what he did were that the case. Next remember that the five year survival rate for prostate cancers discovered this way is close to 100 percent. I don't know what you consider a significant chance, but I doubt if his chance of dying of prostate cancer even in eight years is more than 1 percent. Remember that some men are reading this who couldn't care less about Kerry and you are telling them all they have a significant chance of being dead of prostate cancer in four years. Certainly we are all aware that any time our cancers can recur, but there is no point in exaggerating the odds. As to cures, it is certainly possible to cure prostate cancer. The source of uncertainty is in not knowing for sure if we are cured or not. But the same is true of virtually any illness. So when should one consider oneself cured? I asked my doctor about that a few months after my surgery because I had to make some plans about my finances. He told me that I should make those plans as if I were cured because my life expectancy was the same as any other man my age. So Kerry, and everyone who might consider voting for him should assume he is cured for all practical purposes. Actually, if you look at the figures, his chance of being assassinated in the next four years, if he is elected, is probably greater than his chance of dying of prostate cancer. We have had presidents before with health problems. Eisenhower had heart problems as does vice-president Cheney. There are lots of other examples. This is really a non-issue. >>>The newspaper said today that John Kerry will reveal many personal >>>anecdotes in his acceptance speech tomorrow night. I wonder if he will [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > 11.Carter 12.McKinley 13.Taft 14.Harding 15.Harrison 16.Clinton 17.Wilson > 18.F.Roosevelt 19.Johnson >Subject: Re: John Kerry and Dr. Patrick Walsh >From: Leonard Evens len@math.northwestern.edu [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > >As to cures, it is certainly possible to cure prostate cancer. Remember me? RRP failed, radiation failed, chemotherapy has delayed progress of PCa and might go on working for a few more years. Lupron never brought my PSA down below 20. Adriamycin, Taxotere, Estramustin, and Tx(shoot- I thought I would never forget that...) brought it down to 12. I live with near-total incontinence and total impotence. Never think you are cured- your years have been extended. My one concern with Chaney is that his cancer may come back strong. >>Subject: Re: John Kerry and Dr. Patrick Walsh >>From: Leonard Evens len@math.northwestern.edu [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] > been extended. My one concern with Chaney is that his cancer may come back > strong. I do remember you. You have gotten the worst of breaks. We all hope and pray that one of the experimental approaches now in the works will arrive in time to help you. And of course, what happened to you could happen to any one of us, incuding me, and including John Kerry. So we are all aware of our impending mortality. But it is a question of likelihoods. Kerry is just not very likely to die of prostate cancer any time soon. If Kerry is elected and serves eight years, I truly hope you are around to see him leave office. I didn't know Cheney had cancer. I don't know what else to say that no matter how much we disagree I would hate to lose you. Keep fighting the best you can. I feel we elect a person for what we believe he (or she) can do for us...period. The point of life expectancy should not be entered into the equation. I know it is, but it shouldn't. Cheney has a history of heart problems, Kerry has a problem with prostate cancer......HELL, George Bush has a problem staying on a mountain bike!!!!! Any one of us could walk in front of a bus tomorrow, but should we stop trying to be productive members of society???? To base your decision (even in part) upon a candidates life expectancy (I feel) is petty at best. Otherwise NONE of us here are worth a damn. Hell, we all have (or have had) cancer, so using that line of thought we should close up shop right now!!!!! jh > >>Subject: Re: John Kerry and Dr. Patrick Walsh > >>From: Leonard Evens len@math.northwestern.edu [quoted text clipped - 63 lines] > I don't know what else to say that no matter how much we disagree I > would hate to lose you. Keep fighting the best you can. Kerry fell off a couple times too. Nobody is perfect, which is good in my humble opinion. Fellows, I hope we don't make this another political bashing group pointed at whoever, otherwise I'll be unsubscribing. Let's keep it with a prostate support group which I support 110 percent. Dale J.  SignatureEmail: dalej2@mac.com Dale, Thanks for your response. Let me point out, I was not "bashing" our President. As a matter of fact I voted for W, and will do so again. I was making a feeble attempt to point out that NONE of us knows when, or where, or how we will be introduced to our final day. That being said, to base your vote (even in part) on a candidate's *potential* life expectancy, is in some way wasting the vote. I voted for "W" in the last election. I shall do so again this go 'round, and I shall do so because I feel he's the best man for the job. I should hope most feel the same way. However, if you don't ...vote for Kerry, or Nader, or whomever... based upon your convictions. Not because one or the other "had prostate cancer, and oh geez, maybe he won't live through his term". That's pretty fatalistic. My humble opinion (and hopefully clarified). jh > Kerry fell off a couple times too. Nobody is perfect, which is good in > my humble opinion. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Dale J. > Dale, > Thanks for your response. Let me point out, I was not "bashing" our [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > jh I understand. Just so much politic chatter going on TV and other places now days and I have such high regard for this NG and the folks here that I was afraid it would turn into just another political who's right who's wrong ect. Anyway I shouldent even mention it, but it just blurted out.......Sorry. Dale J. > > Kerry fell off a couple times too. Nobody is perfect, which is good in > > my humble opinion. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > > > Dale J. SignatureEmail: dalej2@mac.com He already did shortly after the operation. In a press conference Kerry's people actually passed out copies of Walsh's book, plus they had Walsh himself speak to the press to say that with Kerry's stats he had only a 2% chance, as I recall, of recurrence. When I was at Hopkins after my RRP in May, the nurses were still talking about taking care of Kerry a year earlier. He was on the "regular" floor--i.e., not the fancy schmancy extra cost wing--and the nurses reported that when he was first up walking the halls he went into all the rooms of the other RP patients to shake hands etc. Paul > The newspaper said today that John Kerry will reveal many personal > anecdotes in his acceptance speech tomorrow night. I wonder if he will > give Dr. Patrick Walsh any credit for his RP? > When I was at Hopkins after my RRP in May, the nurses were still talking > about taking care of Kerry a year earlier. He was on the "regular" > floor" As a good politician should... >--i.e., not the fancy schmancy extra cost wing-- What so special about the extra cost wing? Better care? Better food? Lullabies? Antique Furniture? "Real" art on the walls? > and the nurses > reported that when he was first up walking the halls he went into all the > rooms of the other RP patients to shake hands etc. Wow! Already campaigning... BTW did he also go to the neo-natal unit to kiss the babies? >Subject: Re: John Kerry and Dr. Patrick Walsh >From: "Doc Snugglesbunny" abcdefghijklm@nopqrstuvwxyz [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >Antique Furniture? >"Real" art on the walls? Isolation from the lower classes.... >> and the nurses >> reported that when he was first up walking the halls he went into all the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >BTW did he also go to the neo-natal unit to kiss the babies? SIGNATURE File: Ranking the 20th Century Presidents: 1.Reagan 2.Eisenhower 3.Kennedy 4.Nixon 5.Bush 6.Hoover 7.Truman 8.T.Roosevelt 9.Coolidge 10.Ford 11.Carter 12.McKinley 13.Taft 14.Harding 15.Harrison 16.Clinton 17.Wilson 18.F.Roosevelt 19.Johnson I commend Kerry for staying in the "regular" ward. Now what we need is for Congress to adopt "regular" insurance for themselves. It amazes me that our elected representatives have the gaul to vote themselves such great benefits. Seems to me that they might be induced to fix some of the healthcare insurance problems if they had to deal with same services/costs that the rest of us "enjoy". > He already did shortly after the operation. In a press conference Kerry's > people actually passed out copies of Walsh's book, plus they had Walsh [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > anecdotes in his acceptance speech tomorrow night. I wonder if he will > > give Dr. Patrick Walsh any credit for his RP? > The newspaper said today that John Kerry will reveal many personal > anecdotes in his acceptance speech tomorrow night. I wonder if he will > give Dr. Patrick Walsh any credit for his RP? Had Kerry chosen Graham as his running mate, and had the stars been alligned differently it is posssible we could have had a GOP Powell and Giuliani ticket----resulting in an all PCa survivor presidential race. (OK...I know....it's a stretch...but it was interesting to contemplate....) It makes me laugh or sneeze this idea of an all RP ticket, but maybe peeing in your pants will be par for the candidates anyway,especially during the debates! from outlivecancer@aol.com (Outlivecancer) It makes me laugh or sneeze this idea of an all RP ticket, but maybe peeing in your pants will be par for the candidates anyway,especially during the debates! ============= maybe they will form a new political party - the RP party or the All Pee party. i can see it now. the debates - thanks for tuning in tonight. here's the rules for the debate. the one side will have 10 minutes to explain their side and it will be followed by a 10 minute rebuttal. then, it will be followed by the candidates taking a pee break, so we will take a station break.......... or a new way for the sponsors to plug their products........... men's guards, the brand that kerry wears. when you want and need the protection needed for those important summit meetings. don't let the other side see that you are about to wet your pants. or how's this one. "sir, i knew jack kennedy and you are no jack kennedy." the candidate laughs and has the wet spot on his pants. and the political writers would be writing material to get the opposite candidate to laugh and lose control of his bladder, to try to embarrass them on camera - instead of accusing them of some deed. had to have some fun with this. :) but i will pass this one since it's a political year. i had lunch with bob dole last year in august when he came to town to talk about his bout with prostate cancer and to plug his new book. they had a guest speaker from the IU medical section, talked about the effects of prostate cancer and he closed with the fact that just because you have had prostate cancer doesn't mean that your life is over. that there is life after prostate cancer and it gets better. afterwards, bob dole stood up and said, " you know, i was dx'ed with prostate cancer in 1992. i ran for president in 1996. i lost. somehow, i don't think life got better." everyone had a great laugh. ~ curtis knowledge is power - growing old is mandatory - growing wise is optional "Many more men die with prostate cancer than of it. Growing old is invariably fatal. Prostate cancer is only sometimes so." |
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