Spinal Better Than General Anesthesia for Retropubic Prostatectomy
July 22, 2004 — Spinal anesthesia was better than general anesthesia for
radical retropubic prostatectomy, according to the results of a
prospective randomized trial published in the July issue of Urology.
"General anesthesia is the most frequent form of anesthesia used during
radical retropubic prostatectomy," write Andrea Salonia, MD, from
University Vita-Salute San Raffaele, Scientific Institute H. San
Raffaele in Milan, Italy, and colleagues. "Several studies have
suggested that epidural anesthesia, as well as general anesthesia plus
postoperative epidural anesthesia, can be alternatively used as a valid
option for radical retropubic prostatectomy."
"These results suggest that spinal anesthesia allows good muscle
relaxation and a successful surgical outcome in patients undergoing
radical retropubic prostatectomy with pelvic lymphadenectomy for
clinically localized prostate cancer," the authors write. "Moreover,
spinal anesthesia results in less intraoperative blood loss, less
postoperative pain, and a faster postoperative recovery than general
anesthesia."
Urology. 2004;64:95-100
Al - 29 Jul 2004 03:55 GMT
*Spinal Better Than General Anesthesia for Retropubic Prostatectomy
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*July 22, 2004 Spinal anesthesia was better than general anesthesia
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*radical retropubic prostatectomy, according to the results of a
*prospective randomized trial published in the July issue of Urology.
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That explains why they tried to give me an epidural during pre-op
prep. The doctor couldn't get a successful entry into my back so
general it was...darn scar tissue from previous low back surgery...
Al
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Neil Simpson - 29 Jul 2004 04:11 GMT
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> prep. The doctor couldn't get a successful entry into my back so
> general it was...darn scar tissue from previous low back surgery...
Al,
This study involved spinal anesthesia - not epidural anesthesia -
however the two are similar.
A spinal involves injecting medications around the spinal cord. A needle
(or special tube) is inserted through the skin of the back until it
enters the spinal column, or spine. Medication is then injected inside a
special sac that surrounds the spinal cord. The medication acts on
nerves that come from the spinal cord.
With an epidural, medication is also put inside the spinal column.
However, with an epidural the medication is injected just outside the
sac that surrounds the spinal cord. A spinal requires less medicine and
works faster than an epidural.
Spinal anesthesia is considered cheaper, easier to perform, and faster
to induce than epidural anesthesia. In addition, epidural anesthesia
induction is associated with greater trauma and pain for the patient due
to use of a larger diameter needle and delayed onset of effect, which
lengthens the overall duration of surgery.
Spinal anesthesia, however, is not always successful for long surgeries
and conversion to general anesthesia may be necessary.
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I asked about it, but my doctor recommended general. I did not need any
transfusions and except for perhaps the first few minutes after waking
it was for the most pain free.
Dale

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kastons - 29 Jul 2004 19:31 GMT
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Six weeks ago today, I had an epidural in my spine along with sedation. I
was not aware of anything during the surgery and recovery went very well. I
forgot to ask about blood loss during surgery - I'll have to remember during
my August follow-up visit.
Sandy K.
Alan Meyer - 30 Jul 2004 23:47 GMT
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I think most doctors prefer general anaesthesia for the
simple reason that they don't want the patient to see what's
happening.
How many times have you gone to a car mechanic and seen
a sign that says, "No customers in the garage", or maybe
"Labor $40/hour. If you watch, $75/hour." Doctors are no
different.
Partly they don't want the patient to be conscious because
they don't want to deal with the anxiety that some patients
will manifest when they see someone cut them open.
But one can't help wondering if it's also the case that they
don't want the patient to hear the jokes they tell in the operating
room, or see some possible mistakes or clumsiness that might
take place.
Alan
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For car mechs it's an insurance issue. They may have other reasons too.
For me, I asked the doc about the epidural and my doc mentioned
something like we don't want you to have back problems ect.....I dident
ask about it and was more than willing to go with the general. I also
don't think those who choose the epidural are awake, they are fast
asleep too. Now with a spinal I think they would be awake partly, but
I'm not sure. The epidural is used some for childbirth and perhaps
others with special medical problems, but again I'm not really qualified
to talk about this stuff other than what I've read. Anyone who knows
I'd be interested in hearing more about it. I know many here have had
both with good results.
Dale

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Gary Nichols - 31 Jul 2004 15:35 GMT
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>room, or see some possible mistakes or clumsiness that might
>take place.
I have had three major surgeries with a spinal.. I don't know how
they decide. My RRP was with general anesthesia. Although I was
awake during the three spinal surgeries I was on an intravenous
tranquilizer of some sort that I kept asking them to increase before
the surgeries. By the time I got to the OR I had little sense of what
was going on. As for seeing anything you can't. They arrange a sheet
in such a way that it totally blocks your view.
They are not going to let you go into the OR while still wide awake or
let you see what they are doing. Their talk was just chatter to me in
my somewhat drugged state.
What I liked about the spinals was the fact that when you get to the
recovery room it doesn't take long for the tranquilizer to wear off.
It's much better than waking from a deep sleep.
Gary Nichols
> Alan