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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Prostate Cancer / June 2004Vacuum pump.
Hello out there!! Here's a question about the vacuum pumps that i haven't seen answered. Of course, i've only been a member since May! There has always been mention of "going too far" re the vacuum damaging blood vessels, etc. What has not been addressed, (if anyone has been told "medically", about this),.....If you are just using it post RRP to keep the system "active", how much vacuum is "enough", and...for how long should you allow yourself to be in the vacuum, before you would start to worry about "is this too much, or too long a time?" Is it just for as few seconds,when it has increased in size, or is 30 seconds OK? 2 minutes? 5 minutes? Nobody wants to hurt themselves, and add insult to injury. There are those, i imagine, who do not use it for relations each time, but who use it just to stay in "potential usable shape", if you will. If anyone has any experience, or something definitive to mention about the parameters that i've mentioned, i'd really like to know about them. Lastly...once a day?....twice a day....?? My very best wishes, and sincere thanks to all. Jerry R > Hello out there!! Here's a question about the vacuum pumps that i haven't > seen answered. Of course, i've only been a member since May! [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > day....?? > My very best wishes, and sincere thanks to all. After a couple of weeks of practicing, I used the pump as intended, and not for conditioning, but perhaps my experience might be relevant. It is important not to stretch the tissues too much. The usual advice is that although when pumping you should feel some stretching, it should never be even close to being painful. Another bit of advice I was given was the following. Make a fist and look at the skin around your knuckles. If your penis looks like that after pumping up, you have gone too far. I don't see any point in holding the erection in the pump any significant length of time. I would think that repeating it several times a day would be more important. Stetching muscles may not be the same, but when you do that, you only hold the stretch a few seconds after reaching the maximum stretch. There also, repititions are important. > Jerry R Hi Gerald - Any time it begins to get uncomfortable is enough. If it continues to be uncomfortable after the tissues has had time to fill, I would back off the vacuum a tad. The instructions and video that came with my unit gives a 20 minute maximum when using the restriction ring. I would assume that until the restriction ring is in place there is still some circulation and time is not all that important. An almost daily workout would probably keep things in good working condition. I think if we pay attention to our bodies they will let us know when we start reaching beyond it's limits. Bob Austin >Hello out there!! Here's a question about the vacuum pumps that i haven't >seen answered. Of course, i've only been a member since May! [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >My very best wishes, and sincere thanks to all. >Jerry R hi jerry - i would agree with everyone that leonard and bob austin, but might add a little bit more to this, so one can fully understand what's going on. if you are just wanting to pump it up to get circulation going. i would recommend getting a cheap sex pump. these work but using a hand pump bulb, much like you see when they take your blood pressure, only pulling a vacuum instead of building pressure. the base of the cylinder has a rubber diaphragm that has a hole in it for your penis. once inside, you can pump and watch it grow as it fills up with fresh blood, but if you get carried away and keep pumping, you can't hurt yourself, because air will come around the seal of the diaphragm and the vacuum can never get pass this point. i recommend this type of device if you are unsure and want to get into the area of exercising the organ. on the regular VED designed for impotence. these units fit tight against the body and form a seal. pulling a vacuum now is a lot different because you can pull a strong enough vacuum to cause the damage you've read about. what the instructions say when using these devices, is to pump enough so as the organ will pick itself up from the floor of the VED. that seems to be the point they wish to use. also on the VED device, there is a system of installing the restriction rings, that the cheap unit does not have. so, there you have it. the two units are quite different, but each serve their own purpose. hope this helps. ~ curtis knowledge is power - growing old is mandatory - growing wise is optional "Many more men die with prostate cancer than of it. Growing old is invariably fatal. Prostate cancer is only sometimes so." The bigger problem for me was always getting the blood flow to actually stay in there, without immediately deflating after success.  SignatureJK Sinrod Sinrod Stained Glass Studios www.sinrodstudios.com Coney Island Memories www.sinrodstudios.com/coneymemories My sincere thanks, again!!!....Jerry R > Hello out there!! Here's a question about the vacuum pumps that i haven't > seen answered. Of course, i've only been a member since May! [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > My very best wishes, and sincere thanks to all. > Jerry R I have not heard any limit to the number of times per day. I'm fairly certain that the more you practice, the better you will be, including once every 7 minutes if that's possible. But, yes, there is a warning with the instruction and the tape that comes with it. Do not over suction. You can injure yourself. You can go further after continued practice, but you will not gain back inches lost in RRP. SignatureProstate Cancer Survivor (so far), not a doctor PSA 16 10/17/2000 @ 46 Biopsy 11/01/2000 G7 (3+4), T2c RRP 12/15/2000 PSA .1 .1 .1 .27 .37 .75 EBRT 05-07/2002 @ 47 PSA .34 .22 .15 .21 .32 Erection 05/12/2003 @ 48 HTbegins 07/21/2003 @ 48 PSA .07 .05 Lupron 7/03, 8/03, 12/03, 4/04 > Hello out there!! Here's a question about the vacuum pumps that i haven't > seen answered. Of course, i've only been a member since May! [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > My very best wishes, and sincere thanks to all. > Jerry R > I have not heard any limit to the number of times per day. I'm fairly > certain that the more you practice, the better you will be, including once > every 7 minutes if that's possible. But, yes, there is a warning with the > instruction and the tape that comes with it. Do not over suction. You can > injure yourself. You can go further after continued practice, but you will > not gain back inches lost in RRP. Dr. Catalona, who is a highly regarded prostate cancer surgeon, claims on a web page that the shortening of the penis after RP mostly resolves over a period of months. When I mentioned the shortening of the penis to my doctor he said regardless of the procedure used there was, on average, a shortening of almost 20% of the penis length. In my case it took several months but evidently the doctor was correct. Maybe Dr. Catalona has a better technique. As William Bendix used to say on the Life Of Riley, "What A Revolting Development This Is." Bob Austin >Dr. Catalona, who is a highly regarded prostate cancer surgeon, claims >on a web page that the shortening of the penis after RP mostly resolves >over a period of months. When I tried the MUSE and Caverjet one thing I noticed was that the length was nothing like it used to be. Maybe that four inches is all I have left?! >When I mentioned the shortening of the penis to my doctor he said >regardless of the procedure used there was, on average, a shortening [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >>on a web page that the shortening of the penis after RP mostly resolves >>over a period of months. I haven't noticed any significant length shortening in my case. Guess small is all i'll ever have...maybe starting small, I can't lose what I never had? Unless it'll shrink later? Al * *When I tried the MUSE and Caverjet one thing I noticed was that the *length was nothing like it used to be. Maybe that four inches is all *I have left?! * * * *On Thu, 24 Jun 2004 04:04:40 GMT, Robert Austin *<robertbob.austin@NoSpam.earthlink.net> wrote: * *> *>When I mentioned the shortening of the penis to my doctor he said *>regardless of the procedure used there was, on average, a shortening *>of almost 20% of the penis length. In my case it took several months *>but evidently the doctor was correct. Maybe Dr. Catalona has a better *>technique. *> *>As William Bendix used to say on the Life Of Riley, "What A Revolting *>Development This Is." *> *>Bob Austin *> *>>Dr. Catalona, who is a highly regarded prostate cancer surgeon, claims *>>on a web page that the shortening of the penis after RP mostly resolves *>>over a period of months. *> Please be quiet if replying via email, flames will be deleted promptly. I won't even read the whole message... "Dr. Catalona, who is a highly regarded prostate cancer surgeon, claims on a web page that the shortening of the penis after RP mostly resolves over a period of months." Dr. C is stretching the truth. :-) Bill Denton RP 2/12/02 Memphis > "Dr. Catalona, who is a highly regarded prostate cancer surgeon, > claims on a web page that the shortening of the penis after RP mostly [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > RP 2/12/02 > Memphis Especially when you have the facts in hand {:>) "Dr. Catalona, who is a highly regarded prostate cancer surgeon, claims on a web page that the shortening of the penis after RP mostly resolves over a period of months." Dr. C is stretching the truth. :-) Bill Denton Especially when you have the facts in hand {:>) --------------> but will it stand up to the evidence at hand?? :) --------------> is this hard evidence? :) ~ curtis knowledge is power - growing old is mandatory - growing wise is optional "Many more men die with prostate cancer than of it. Growing old is invariably fatal. Prostate cancer is only sometimes so." "Dr. Catalona, who is a highly regarded prostate cancer surgeon, claims on a web page that the shortening of the penis after RP mostly resolves over a period of months. Dr. C is stretching the truth. :-) Especially when you have the facts in hand {:>) but will it stand up to the evidence at hand?? :) is this hard evidence? :)" Appears to be a flimsy case. Bill Denton RP 2/12/02 Memphis > "Dr. Catalona, who is a highly regarded prostate cancer surgeon, claims > on a web page that the shortening of the penis after RP mostly resolves [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Appears to be a flimsy case. Nothing you can hang your hat on > "Dr. Catalona, who is a highly regarded prostate cancer surgeon, claims > on a web page that the shortening of the penis after RP mostly resolves [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Appears to be a flimsy case. I think it's all circumcisional. >Subject: Re: RP and length >From: "Steve Kramer" skramer@cinci.rr.com [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > >I think it's all circumcisional. I think we should stop circling the issue and get to the point! > >Subject: Re: RP and length > >From: "Steve Kramer" skramer@cinci.rr.com [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > > I think we should stop circling the issue and get to the point! It seems to be a 'hands-on' situation...let's see what comes up! "Dr. Catalona, who is a highly regarded prostate cancer surgeon, claims on a web page that the shortening of the penis after RP mostly resolves over a period of months. Dr. C is stretching the truth. :-) Especially when you have the facts in hand {:>) but will it stand up to the evidence at hand?? :) is this hard evidence? :)" Appears to be a flimsy case. I think it's all circumcisional. I think we should stop circling the issue and get to the point! It seems to be a 'hands-on' situation...let's see what comes up! Maybe Catalona has better results because he charges a stiffer fee. 16 months and still very short. The thing that really has my attention is my 18 month check up in Sept. I'm confident yet concerned. > > I have not heard any limit to the number of times per day. I'm fairly > > certain that the more you practice, the better you will be, including once [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > on a web page that the shortening of the penis after RP mostly resolves > over a period of months. Wonderful! I beat the odds again i would suggest just having a penile implant go for the gusto An example of "going too far" with the vacuum pump. (Off topic, but I couldn't help myself!) http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0624041pump1.html > Hello out there!! Here's a question about the vacuum pumps that i haven't > seen answered. Of course, i've only been a member since May! [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > My very best wishes, and sincere thanks to all. > Jerry R Signature"Knowing that one will be hanged in a fortnight wonderfully concentrates the mind." Samuel Johnson i think that the judge can "beat" the case. why? because the evidence won't stand up in court. ;-P ~ curtis knowledge is power - growing old is mandatory - growing wise is optional "Many more men die with prostate cancer than of it. Growing old is invariably fatal. Prostate cancer is only sometimes so." |
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