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Lupron TORPEDOES  last PSA!

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Sando - 08 Jun 2004 01:08 GMT
In late December with a PSA of almost 30, I had a 30 day shot of
Lupron.  In early February I had a PSA of 1.7.  At that time I had a 4
months' shot of Lupron.  The PSA today was < 1.  So today he gave me
another 4 months worth and said it was working just fine.  I asked him
about the recent new, targeted drugs, etc. and he just said we'll stay
the course we are on now.  A variation of, 'If it ain't Broke, don't
fix it'
da
Sherwin Rubin - 08 Jun 2004 21:59 GMT
Lupron is temporary.  

Assuming you have no problem with the side effects,  there will be a
day when the cancer learns how to live with Lupron and then you will
have only a few options.  When your PSA starts up again it will be
chemo and that is not good.

You should do something else now.
Danny McCarty - 09 Jun 2004 19:06 GMT
>Subject: Re: Lupron TORPEDOES  last PSA!
>From: Sherwin Rubin Sherwin@Rubin.net
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>
>You should do something else now.

With a PSA of 30 six months ago, in December, the stuff had probably migrated
already.  If so, surgery or radiation would not be of much use.  It might be a
good idea to find a chemotherapy clinical trial, like mine.  I get a bone scan
and cat scan eight days from now to see if the PCa is still being contained.
Lupron will keep Sherwin's cancer under control for a median time of about
three or four years from his first Lupron injection.

SIGNATURE File: Ranking the Presidents: 1.Reagan 2.Eisenhower 3.Kennedy 4.Nixon
5.Bush 6.Hoover 7.Truman  8.T.Roosevelt 9.Coolidge 10.Ford 11.Carter
12.McKinley 13.Taft 14.Harding 15.Harrison 16.Clinton 17.Wilson 18.F.Roosevelt
19.Johnson
olfart - 09 Jun 2004 19:37 GMT
> >Subject: Re: Lupron TORPEDOES  last PSA!
> >From: Sherwin Rubin Sherwin@Rubin.net
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
> 12.McKinley 13.Taft 14.Harding 15.Harrison 16.Clinton 17.Wilson 18.F.Roosevelt
> 19.Johnson

Sounds like a good idea Danny. That's why I suggested he get another opinion
from an Oncologist.
By the way - your sig doesn't say which Bush #5 is. God I hope it
isn't..........
Danny McCarty - 09 Jun 2004 19:59 GMT
>Subject: Re: Lupron TORPEDOES  last PSA!
>From: "olfart" olfart65@excite.com
[quoted text clipped - 37 lines]
>By the way - your sig doesn't say which Bush #5 is. God I hope it
>isn't..........

Notice that they are all in the twentieth century... that's poppa Bush.  I have
been an active Republican since I was 12, when I worked for the Chairman of the
County Republican Committee.  I was going to vote for Kennedy... Johnson is
responsible for the useless deaths of 50,000 U.S. soldiers.  I knew he would do
that, so I voted for Goldwater.
Steve Kramer - 09 Jun 2004 22:06 GMT
> >> SIGNATURE File: Ranking the Presidents: 1.Reagan 2.Eisenhower 3.Kennedy
> >4.Nixon
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> responsible for the useless deaths of 50,000 U.S. soldiers.  I knew he would do
> that, so I voted for Goldwater.

Uh-oh.  When you put Harding ahead of.... well anyone.... I thought it was a
joke.  I'm bowing out now.
olfart - 09 Jun 2004 22:22 GMT
> > >> SIGNATURE File: Ranking the Presidents: 1.Reagan 2.Eisenhower 3.Kennedy
> > >4.Nixon
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> Uh-oh.  When you put Harding ahead of.... well anyone.... I thought it was a
> joke.  I'm bowing out now.

But he never said which direction the ranking goes. Best to worse or vice
versa (:>)
Danny McCarty - 10 Jun 2004 02:37 GMT
>Subject: Re: Lupron TORPEDOES  last PSA!
>From: "olfart" olfart65@excite.com
[quoted text clipped - 32 lines]
>But he never said which direction the ranking goes. Best to worse or vice
>versa (:>)

Ouch!   I'm a damn Republican, excuse my French...  I might agree to exchange
Harding with Harrison, but that is about all.
SIGNATURE File: Ranking the 20th Century Presidents: 1.Reagan 2.Eisenhower
3.Kennedy 4.Nixon  5.Bush 6.Hoover 7.Truman  8.T.Roosevelt 9.Coolidge 10.Ford
11.Carter 12.McKinley 13.Taft 14.Harding 15.Harrison 16.Clinton 17.Wilson
18.F.Roosevelt 19.Johnson
Rgr - 09 Jun 2004 22:43 GMT
     RANK NAME MEAN
     GREAT
     1 George Washington 4.92
     2 Abraham Lincoln 4.87
     3 Franklin Roosevelt 4.67
     NEAR GREAT
     4 Thomas Jefferson 4.25
     5 Theodore Roosevelt 4.22
     6 Andrew Jackson 3.99
     7 Harry Truman 3.95
     8 Ronald Reagan 3.81
     9 Dwight Eisenhower 3.71
     10 James Polk 3.70
     11 Woodrow Wilson 3.68
     ABOVE AVERAGE
     12 Grover Cleveland 3.36
     13 John Adams 3.36
     14 William McKinley 3.33
     15 James Madison 3.29
     16 James Monroe 3.27
     17 Lyndon Johnson 3.21
     18 John Kennedy 3.17
     AVERAGE
     19 William Taft 3.00
     20 John Quincy Adams 2.93
     21 George Bush 2.92
     22 Rutherford Hayes 2.79
     23 Martin Van Buren 2.77
     24 William Clinton 2.77
     25 Calvin Coolidge 2.71
     26 Chester Arthur 2.71
     BELOW AVERAGE
     27 Benjamin Harrison 2.62
     28 Gerald Ford 2.59
     29 Herbert Hoover 2.53
     30 Jimmy Carter 2.47
     31 Zachary Taylor 2.40
     32 Ulysses Grant 2.28
     33 Richard Nixon 2.22
     34 John Tyler 2.03
     35 Millard Fillmore 1.91
     FAILURE
     36 Andrew Johnson 1.65
     37 Franklin Pierce 1.58
     38 Warren Harding 1.58
     39 James Buchanan 1.33

Here's the list from http://www.opinionjournal.com/hail/rankings.html per
public opinion poll.

I would say George W. Bush ranks a strong 30 to 33 on this list.

> > >> SIGNATURE File: Ranking the Presidents: 1.Reagan 2.Eisenhower 3.Kennedy
> > >4.Nixon
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> Uh-oh.  When you put Harding ahead of.... well anyone.... I thought it was a
> joke.  I'm bowing out now.
c palmer - 10 Jun 2004 00:06 GMT

            RANK NAME MEAN
      GREAT
      1 George Washington 4.92
      2 Abraham Lincoln 4.87
      3 Franklin Roosevelt 4.67
      NEAR GREAT
      4 Thomas Jefferson 4.25
      5 Theodore Roosevelt 4.22
      6 Andrew Jackson 3.99
      7 Harry Truman 3.95
      8 Ronald Reagan 3.81
      9 Dwight Eisenhower 3.71
      10 James Polk 3.70
      11 Woodrow Wilson 3.68
      ABOVE AVERAGE
      12 Grover Cleveland 3.36
      13 John Adams 3.36
      14 William McKinley 3.33
      15 James Madison 3.29
      16 James Monroe 3.27
      17 Lyndon Johnson 3.21
      18 John Kennedy 3.17
      AVERAGE
      19 William Taft 3.00
      20 John Quincy Adams 2.93
      21 George Bush 2.92
      22 Rutherford Hayes 2.79
      23 Martin Van Buren 2.77
      24 William Clinton 2.77
      25 Calvin Coolidge 2.71
      26 Chester Arthur 2.71
      BELOW AVERAGE
      27 Benjamin Harrison 2.62
      28 Gerald Ford 2.59
      29 Herbert Hoover 2.53
      30 Jimmy Carter 2.47
      31 Zachary Taylor 2.40
      32 Ulysses Grant 2.28
      33 Richard Nixon 2.22
      34 John Tyler 2.03
      35 Millard Fillmore 1.91
      FAILURE
      36 Andrew Johnson 1.65
      37 Franklin Pierce 1.58
      38 Warren Harding 1.58
      39 James Buchanan 1.33
----------------

i'm an independent because i don't believe that any party holds to what
they say.  i vote for the person after i research who and what they are.

here are some points to ponder.

1. washington - he was the father of our country in more ways than one.

2.  lincoln was not a popular president in office.  a lot of people did
not go for what he believed in and that was reflected by the action
taken against him

3.  jefferson has how many children???  they are finding out through DNA
that he was not the true blue person everyone thought.

4. george bush is rated as average by that pole, yet in 1991, the polls
showed he had an acceptable rating at 91%.  the polls said it was the
highest ever for a president, yet, one year later, couldn't get enough
votes to even get re-elected.

5. ross perot and his running mate.  there is a story behind that.  it
was in the 60's, and there was an american who tried to get help to our
pow's using the american red cross.  he got the financing and the
supplies to make a big red cross delivery, but the shortest route to
vietnam was across russia.  he ask for permission to go across russian
air space in the name of humanity, and the request was refused.  at the
same this was going on, there was a person name bill clinton over there
burning the american flag in protest.  well, they finally got the relief
supplies to the pow's and here's the rest of the story.  the person that
put this adventure together was ross perot and one of the pow's he gave
supplies to was james stockdale. - his running for vice president.  why
wasn't that brought out at the election time?  it would have been an
interesting race.  a person who had the highest acceptable rating, an
american who tried to help our fighting men, and a draft dodger. well,
we know who won that one.

6. bill clinton was caught RED HANDED lying to a grand jury.  what would
have happened if an everyday person done that?   and there was enough
evidence to try him for impeachment.  yet the poll rated him as
"average"

7. if one was applying for a job as the president of a large corporation
or a university,  they would make sure this person has the
qualifications needed in order to operate and do their job as defined by
the job description.  sure don't want a person to run the corporation
into the ground by making bad decisions.  

yet, we, the people, will vote for a person who is going to be placed in
the highest, most powerful position in terms of world power and
represent the united states as a whole, and never once look as to see if
they can balance their own checkbook.  yet, this person will have the
power to approval or veto, BILLIONS of dollars at the drop of a
signature.  and if that person makes a mistake, who pays,  yet what does
the voter expect for putting a person in office that was not researched,
but voted in because they believed in animal rights, pro rights, or some
form of being for or against gun control, just to name a few.

~ curtis

knowledge is power - growing old is mandatory - growing wise is optional    
"Many more men die with prostate cancer than of it. Growing old is
invariably fatal. Prostate cancer is only sometimes so."
Danny McCarty - 10 Jun 2004 02:44 GMT
>Subject: Re: Lupron TORPEDOES  last PSA! (getting way OT)
>From: "Rgr" nopsa_4ever_nospam@yahoo.com
[quoted text clipped - 52 lines]
>
>I would say George W. Bush ranks a strong 30 to 33 on this list.

I would agree on the first two.  F. Roosevelt was lucky, he had WWII.
Otherwise he was not acceptable.  Hoover did more for the people, actually, he
just wasn't so lucky.

That survey should have been taken among the Core of Cadets at Texas A&M. ;-}

SIGNATURE File: Ranking the 20th Century Presidents: 1.Reagan 2.Eisenhower
3.Kennedy 4.Nixon  5.Bush 6.Hoover 7.Truman  8.T.Roosevelt 9.Coolidge 10.Ford
11.Carter 12.McKinley 13.Taft 14.Harding 15.Harrison 16.Clinton 17.Wilson
18.F.Roosevelt 19.Johnson
Steve Kramer - 11 Jun 2004 02:02 GMT
I don't know about Lincoln.  He did what he had to do, but the war started
upon his election, more out of fear what he'd do than anything he actually
did.  Great speech at Gettysburg though.

FDR?  Damn, he was there a long time.  Had some real good ideas, too.  Shame
none of them worked.  Did well to win WWII.  I wish he'd been around to be
on Big Mo.  But, he left us with the Red menace.  But not "great".

TJ?  Now he was great.  During his presidency we grew, what?  5 times the
size whe had been?  Pennsylvania was our west-most state when he went in.
We had been to the Pacific and back by the time he left office.  Northwest
territory.  Louisiana Purchase.  Some fairly touch international incidents.

And, of course, George Washington.  almost certinaly #1.

Agree with the failures.  Would add Carter.  You gotta like the guy, but
total flop as president.  Destabilized the world and our economy in 4 years
flat.

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Prostate Cancer Survivor (so far), not a doctor
PSA 16 10/17/2000 @ 46
Biopsy 11/01/2000 G7 (3+4), T2c
RRP 12/15/2000
PSA  .1  .1  .1  .27  .37  .75
EBRT 05-07/2002 @ 47
PSA  .34 .22 .15 .21 .32
Erection 05/12/2003 @ 48
HTbegins 07/21/2003 @ 48
PSA  .07 .05
Lupron 7/03, 8/03, 12/03, 4/04

>       RANK NAME MEAN
>       GREAT
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> a
> > joke.  I'm bowing out now.
Larry - 11 Jun 2004 02:59 GMT
Of course, GWB set a new standard in that department!

> Agree with the failures.  Would add Carter.  You gotta like the guy, but
> total flop as president.  Destabilized the world and our economy in 4 years
> flat.
Steve Kramer - 09 Jun 2004 22:03 GMT
> > SIGNATURE File: Ranking the Presidents: 1.Reagan 2.Eisenhower 3.Kennedy
> 4.Nixon
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> By the way - your sig doesn't say which Bush #5 is. God I hope it
> isn't..........

I'm sure it isn't.  He was good.  But, not as good as his son.
Vernon - 09 Jun 2004 15:09 GMT
Your doctor should be kicked in the butt.

Vernon

> In late December with a PSA of almost 30, I had a 30 day shot of
> Lupron.  In early February I had a PSA of 1.7.  At that time I had a 4
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> fix it'
> da
olfart - 09 Jun 2004 16:25 GMT
> In late December with a PSA of almost 30, I had a 30 day shot of
> Lupron.  In early February I had a PSA of 1.7.  At that time I had a 4
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> fix it'
> da

Have you had a biopsy yet? What is your age and general physical condition?
The Lupron will stop the growth of the cancer and lower the PSA for a while,
but you need to know the Stage, Gleason Score and the % of cancerous cells
in the prostate to make a decision. Does your Dr have special training in
oncology or urology or is he just plain MD.
RUN-DON'T WALK to an Oncologist MD or a Urologist for a second opinion.
Lowering the PSA with Lupron is NOT A Cure, just a part of an overall
treatment program be it Surgery or Radiation.
Good luck and keep us posted.
Age - 69
8/12/02 - PSA 3.7
10/13/03 - PSA 4.69
11/11/03 - PSA 4.8
11/18/03 - Biopsy - 10 cores
one core-25% of core-Gleason 4+4=8
all other cores benign tissue
12/10/03 - Consult - Oncologist
12/16/03 - Consult - Radiation Oncologist
Treatment Plan - Northeast Ga Cancer Center
HT - started 12/17/03 - Eulixen & Lupron (2nd 4 mo Lupron-4/26)
2/10/04 - Started - Flowmax and Megastrol
Radiation - IMRT to begin 3/30/04 - 42 treatments - Completed 6/8/04
 
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