Seven weeks ago my father had a robotic rad. prost. PSA 11.1, Gleason 3+3,
age 67. Thankfully doc. said everything looked very clean below with the
cancer confined to the prostate gland.
-So far no incontinence. Has control but gets to go to the toilet 4 times a
night-so is on anibiotics. Big worry is he wakes up in the morning with a
freezing cold old fella. He tells me he has to lay on his stomach to warm
it up. Is this normal or is this some problem associated with nerve
sparring?? -
Steve Kramer - 06 Jun 2004 12:03 GMT
Nerves to not 'heat' per se, but it might be reduced flow of blood to the
penis. Is he impotent? He might want to start using a pump, if for no
other reason that to get the blood flowing again.
That's just a guess. I think he need to talk to the doc about it.

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Prostate Cancer Survivor (so far), not a doctor
PSA 16 10/17/2000 @ 46
Biopsy 11/01/2000 G7 (3+4), T2c
RRP 12/15/2000
PSA .1 .1 .1 .27 .37 .75
EBRT 05-07/2002 @ 47
PSA .34 .22 .15 .21 .32
Erection 05/12/2003 @ 48
HTbegins 07/21/2003 @ 48
PSA .07 .05
Lupron 7/03, 8/03, 12/03, 4/04
> Seven weeks ago my father had a robotic rad. prost. PSA 11.1, Gleason 3+3,
> age 67. Thankfully doc. said everything looked very clean below with the
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> it up. Is this normal or is this some problem associated with nerve
> sparring?? -
al1096@loud.bellsouth.net> - 06 Jun 2004 15:49 GMT
*Nerves to not 'heat' per se, but it might be reduced flow of blood to
the
*penis. Is he impotent? He might want to start using a pump, if for
no
*other reason that to get the blood flowing again.
*
*That's just a guess. I think he need to talk to the doc about it.
I agree, sounds like something his uro ought to look at.
Al
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Leonard Evens - 06 Jun 2004 17:02 GMT
> Seven weeks ago my father had a robotic rad. prost. PSA 11.1, Gleason 3+3,
> age 67. Thankfully doc. said everything looked very clean below with the
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> it up. Is this normal or is this some problem associated with nerve
> sparring?? -
I agree with the others that he needs to talk to his urologist about
this. Reduced blood flow could explain it.
I had nerve sparing surgery and I've never experienced anything like it.
The closest I've come is when using constriction bands after using a pump.
John Loomis - 07 Jun 2004 03:58 GMT
Hello Leonard, How are you? John Loomis here. Nice to see a post. I have
2 sons graduating...One from Stanford University in Calif. BS in
engineering.
Other son is graduating from High School and going to Humboldt State U. Ca.
Good to see your post.
John Loomis
> > Seven weeks ago my father had a robotic rad. prost. PSA 11.1, Gleason 3+3,
> > age 67. Thankfully doc. said everything looked very clean below with the
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> I had nerve sparing surgery and I've never experienced anything like it.
> The closest I've come is when using constriction bands after using a pump.
Leonard Evens - 07 Jun 2004 13:24 GMT
> Hello Leonard, How are you? John Loomis here. Nice to see a post. I have
> 2 sons graduating...One from Stanford University in Calif. BS in
> engineering.
> Other son is graduating from High School and going to Humboldt State U. Ca.
> Good to see your post.
> John Loomis
Hi. I'm fine. I recently had my gall bladder removed. They do it
laparascopically, and it was less stressful than some dental procedures.
I recovered fully in a week but was careful for another week.
My PSAs are still undetectable, and I am doing well in other respects.
Like others I have some minor stress incontinence from time to time, and
like you I get by with a little Viagra, and sometimes without it.
I'm half a generation ahead of you. My oldest grandchild will graduate
from middle school next year.
Beverley - 07 Jun 2004 18:22 GMT
Still, gall bladder surgery is nasty. Oh, it's much improved over 30 years
ago but still not nice. And here I thought you were tied up with thesis work
or graduation ceremonies. Or maybe you skipped out of town to someplace
exotic with your wife.
You were missed!
Bev
> > Hello Leonard, How are you? John Loomis here. Nice to see a post. I have
> > 2 sons graduating...One from Stanford University in Calif. BS in
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> I'm half a generation ahead of you. My oldest grandchild will graduate
> from middle school next year.
Steve Kramer - 08 Jun 2004 17:37 GMT
> I'm half a generation ahead of you. My oldest grandchild will graduate
> from middle school next year.
My oldest grandchild starts kindergarten during 2009.

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Prostate Cancer Survivor (so far), not a doctor
PSA 16 10/17/2000 @ 46
Biopsy 11/01/2000 G7 (3+4), T2c
RRP 12/15/2000
PSA .1 .1 .1 .27 .37 .75
EBRT 05-07/2002 @ 47
PSA .34 .22 .15 .21 .32
Erection 05/12/2003 @ 48
HTbegins 07/21/2003 @ 48
PSA .07 .05
Lupron 7/03, 8/03, 12/03, 4/04
Beverley - 07 Jun 2004 18:28 GMT
Congratulations, Dad, on raising two intelligent sons. I know you are proud
of them.
Let's see, doesn't that make you an empty nester? Enjoy it!
Bev
> Hello Leonard, How are you? John Loomis here. Nice to see a post. I have
> 2 sons graduating...One from Stanford University in Calif. BS in
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> > The closest I've come is when using constriction bands after using a
> pump.
Tom C - 07 Jun 2004 23:28 GMT
Bev,
The Empty Nest certainly has its appeal. I won't go any further, at the
risk of being beat up by those who wish to be "parents until they're 100 or
buried"
> Congratulations, Dad, on raising two intelligent sons. I know you are proud
> of them.
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> > > The closest I've come is when using constriction bands after using a
> > pump.
Rebecca Ford - 08 Jun 2004 01:00 GMT
Sounds like a slice of heaven right now as my 5 yr old daughter is badgering
me about tv while my 8 yr old son is complaining about homework. Calgon take
me away!!!!!!!

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> Bev,
> The Empty Nest certainly has its appeal. I won't go any further, at the
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> > > > The closest I've come is when using constriction bands after using a
> > > pump.
Beverley - 08 Jun 2004 01:15 GMT
Empty nest has lots of appeal - it's a shame we rarely get to experience it
around here.
(We get our one granddaughter 2-4 nights a week. Of course I'd rather have
her here than someplace else. But I get tired of homework, hula-hoops,
skateboards, hair thingies, etc.)
Bev
> Bev,
> The Empty Nest certainly has its appeal. I won't go any further, at the
[quoted text clipped - 40 lines]
> > > > The closest I've come is when using constriction bands after using a
> > > pump.
Chuck McClellan - 06 Jun 2004 17:51 GMT
> Seven weeks ago my father had a robotic rad. prost. PSA 11.1, Gleason 3+3,
> age 67. Thankfully doc. said everything looked very clean below with the
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> it up. Is this normal or is this some problem associated with nerve
> sparring?? -
Well, as I am just a layperson peon I'd say that that is a new one but
most likely has something to do with nerve regeneration and blood
circulation. If the sensation is internal it could be the former of
he two with the nerves giving the brain false signals. Perosnally I
got all sorts of weird sensations for a while. Hopefully this 'cold
old fella' will diminish as the body recovers.
Good luck.
Chuck McClellan
John Loomis - 07 Jun 2004 04:03 GMT
I would use a wam pad, and encourage use. I know, you cannot do that by
helping your father. You need to help him figure out how to use it or lose
it.
Not easy for an elderly man, and a wife past menopause. Specially for a
concerned son. Be frank! do not miss details, and love your Dad!
John Loomis
> Seven weeks ago my father had a robotic rad. prost. PSA 11.1, Gleason 3+3,
> age 67. Thankfully doc. said everything looked very clean below with the
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> it up. Is this normal or is this some problem associated with nerve
> sparring?? -
ray - 07 Jun 2004 07:52 GMT
This truely is an amazing group. Your support to the family as we went
through the process of what and how has been priceless thanks again to you
all especially the Kramers and alike who post regularly.
He had an infection which was making him go to the toilet regularly though
this has gone down to 3/4 a night. Perhaps the infection was part of it.
Saw doc g.p. today and no infection he was told it could take a 4 or so
months to settle down and afetr reading many posts here that sounds right.
Perhaps he is a litlle impatient.
> Seven weeks ago my father had a robotic rad. prost. PSA 11.1, Gleason 3+3,
> age 67. Thankfully doc. said everything looked very clean below with the
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> it up. Is this normal or is this some problem associated with nerve
> sparring?? -
Joe \(Shaw\) - 07 Jun 2004 13:41 GMT
Two bulls are out in the pasture on a cold November day.
One says to the other, "I don't know about you, but I'm going back to the
barn to slip into a nice warm Jersey."
> Seven weeks ago my father had a robotic rad. prost. PSA 11.1, Gleason 3+3,
> age 67. Thankfully doc. said everything looked very clean below with the
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> it up. Is this normal or is this some problem associated with nerve
> sparring?? -