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A little freaked out...
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ProTek - 27 May 2004 17:22 GMT Hey everyone, thanks for the input. I?m newly diagnosed and hating it. I only found out last week that I have cancer. I have read a lot and have come to no conclusions yet. I don?t even know yet about the cancer or it?s rating yet. I think it?s very early. A PSA of 2.7 prompted my biopsy and they found one core with cancer. I read the article Charlie posted by Dr. Paul Schellhammer about how fast each cancer moves. I guess they're all a bit different in each of us. I feel very confused and wonder about so many things. I guess I need to sit down with the Doctor and ask all these questions. I do feel like finding out exactly what my cancer is rating and if it?s a slow moving type or what. Is that not good thinking? Maybe I?m rationalizing or something. Trying to be in denil...I?m not sure. I?m just so afraid of losing what I have. I feel like an alien or something. Like I won?t be part of the human race anymore. I guess I?m very freaked out about sexual dysfunction. I guess that?s what?s bothering me. I?m only 49 for hell?s sake! I?m single too, that?s not helping any, I?m sure. life is very strage, and it's getting stranger by the year as I get older. Oh well, just venting a bit. Thanks for listening. Craig
jimhoney - 27 May 2004 18:32 GMT Craig,
Yes, the side effects can be very worrying. But your chances of permanent side effects at age 49 are very low, so really you should be feeling optimistic.
How come your doctor didn't give you the Gleason score? Call him now and get it. And the "stage." With those two readings and the PSA, you can see the chances that the cancer has spread by consulting the Partin Tables
jimhoney - 27 May 2004 19:01 GMT Computer locked up before I could finish. The Partin Tables are on line at
http://urology.jhu.edu/Partin_tables/
jimhoney
Sandy K. - 27 May 2004 20:25 GMT > Hey everyone, thanks for the input. I'm newly diagnosed and hating it. I > only found out last week that I have cancer. I have read a lot and have [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > very strage, and it's getting stranger by the year as I get older. Oh > well, just venting a bit. Thanks for listening. Craig Your reaction seems to be quite normal. I'm 47 and was diagnosed in March. My PSA was 4.9, Gleason 3+3 and Stage is T2c. I'm scheduled for surgery in mid June. I too was only worried about the after effects - impotence and incontinence. It was until I met the folks at Memorial Sloane Kettering in NYC that I realized that the important issue is that I have now been diagnosed with cancer. For me, getting rid of the cancer is the most important thing. While I've not given up on being potent and continent, the realization that I could die from this (my 1st cousin died of this 7 years ago at age 49) helps me to keep things in check. Find a medical team that you have faith in - get rid of the cancer - and then worry about the other stuff.
Good luck, Sandy K.
David S. - 28 May 2004 02:17 GMT Very well put.
Best of luck to you both.
> Your reaction seems to be quite normal. I'm 47 and was diagnosed in March. > My PSA was 4.9, Gleason 3+3 and Stage is T2c. I'm scheduled for surgery in [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Good luck, > Sandy K. MH - 28 May 2004 02:27 GMT Sandy said it very well, Craig! I'm glad you shared your fears and concerns. Sometimes it helps to just have a place to vent the feelings and frustrations. We *do* understand here. I can remember being *a little freaked out*, myself. Having someone tell you *You have cancer* is a very sobering experience! My suggestion would be to read, read, read all you can.... arm yourself with questions and be ready with a list when you see the doctor. All of us here are proof that there *is* life after PCa!
Take care! MikeH
> > Hey everyone, thanks for the input. I'm newly diagnosed and hating it. I > > only found out last week that I have cancer. I have read a lot and have [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > Good luck, > Sandy K. c palmer - 27 May 2004 20:50 GMT hi craig - welcome to the roller coaster ride of your life. first is denial. like i can't believe this. are you sure. then the anger comes. you get mad as hell. your statement said it best about being 49 and single and concerned about sexual function. then comes the thoughts about being punished for past events. and so, it goes till you get to acceptance and that is when you make your decision.
as far as sexual function and the type of treatment it is a crap shoot at best. some guys make it through with little to no trouble, while others had one hell of a time. and it doesn't make any difference as to the type of treatment. they all will display this type of problems.
and when you are standing at the beginning of this trail, it seems like a long path.
judging by your comments of what you do know. 2.7 is a good low number, one core is a good sign of low spread. it is probably gland contained but only a biopsy could tell that. if it is gland contained, that means that the erection nerves that run underneath the prostate are not affected yet. as the cancer grows, it will attach itself to them, and then they would have to be removed, if you decided to have surgery at that later date.
biggest piece of advice i can give right now - sit down, relax, take a deep breath and try to slow down. it's a shock, but it's not a death sentence unless you want it to be. and right now, chances are very good that it is quite curable.
~curtis
knowledge is power - growing old is mandatory - growing wise is optional "Many more men die with prostate cancer than of it. Growing old is invariably fatal. Prostate cancer is only sometimes so."
Doug Taylor - 28 May 2004 03:26 GMT >as far as sexual function and the type of treatment it is a crap shoot >at best. some guys make it through with little to no trouble, while >others had one hell of a time. and it doesn't make any difference as to >the type of treatment. they all will display this type of problems. Let me be more blunt. Your sexual function WILL decrease, no matter what the treatment. You will also be sterile. All advice to the contrary is sugar coated. If this is a big concern to you, beware and think twice.
It sounds to me that with your extremely low PSA and single core of cancer you may be a candidate for "watchful waiting."
Bottom line is that you have a slow moving non-aggressive form of cancer and radical immediate solutions MAY be overkill.
Get second and third opinions and don't panic.
>biggest piece of advice i can give right now - sit down, relax, take a >deep breath and try to slow down. it's a shock, but it's not a death >sentence unless you want it to be. and right now, chances are very good >that it is quite curable. I second.
MH - 28 May 2004 03:27 GMT > It sounds to me that with your extremely low PSA and single core of > cancer you may be a candidate for "watchful waiting." Watchful waiting at age 49???
I wouldn't watchful wait at any age... but certainly not at age 49. Hasn't evidence shown that PCa in younger men is often more aggressive??
MikeH
Doug Taylor - 29 May 2004 18:50 GMT >> It sounds to me that with your extremely low PSA and single core of >> cancer you may be a candidate for "watchful waiting." [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >I wouldn't watchful wait at any age... but certainly not at age 49. Hasn't >evidence shown that PCa in younger men is often more aggressive?? There is so much that is not known, clearly. Read the posts in this n.g. on 5/28/04 by Sando.
The original poster was concerned about sex. If you get treated for PCa, your sex life WILL be diminished, in some case ruined. Is the treatment necessary? What treatment do you choose? Extremely difficult decisions that each man must make based upon his own circumstances in consultation with his own doctor(s) and family. There are no universally accepted answers. It's a crapshoot at best.
Alan Meyer - 27 May 2004 23:15 GMT > Hey everyone, thanks for the input. I'm newly diagnosed and hating it. I > only found out last week that I have cancer. I have read a lot and have [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > very strage, and it's getting stranger by the year as I get older. Oh > well, just venting a bit. Thanks for listening. Craig Craig,
I'll second what everyone else has said and add a couple of observations.
"Freaking out" is what all of us do when we face a major, potentially life altering, change. It's a lot more common than we each suppose, and it happens for all kinds of reasons. I freaked out the same way many years ago when I had a knee operation that went bad and wondered if I'd ever walk again. Just like you, I felt like an alien, as if everybody else in the world could walk normally except for this one freak on crutches. Every time I turned on the TV and saw somebody dance or run or just walk up steps I would think - I'm now really different from everyone else.
Well, I can now say with the benefit of a little more experience, it ain't so. Whether you have an injury, or a problem with incontinence or impotence, it really doesn't make you different from other people. You're still the same guy you always were. You may be a little worse for wear. You may have been around the block a couple more times than the guy next door. But there's guaranteed to be another guy down the street who's got it even worse. All of us have problems that make us think we're different and worse than others - but we're actually still all the same - just human beings with problems, trying to deal with them and get along.
As to the specific problem with sex, I'd like to say this about that. You absolutely will be able to have a sex life after treatment for prostate cancer. It may not be the same as it was before, but it won't be gone and it won't be worthless.
Most men, especially young men (and in this group you're a young man - no matter what the teenagers on the corner think) do recover potency. However even those that don't can typically still have orgasms and can use some kind of aids - from viagra to injections to vacuum pumps - to have erections too.
If you turn out to be one of the guys that does have a potency problem, don't turn away from women because of that. I think there are a lot of women out there who will look past that and come to realize that love and sex with you are possible and gratifying. There are a lot of women who have posted in this group who can testify to that.
Best of luck.
Alan
jk - 28 May 2004 03:21 GMT > Hey everyone, thanks for the input. I'm newly diagnosed and hating it. I > only found out last week that I have cancer. I have read a lot and have [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > very strage, and it's getting stranger by the year as I get older. Oh > well, just venting a bit. Thanks for listening. Craig Take solice in the fact that we are all still here, many years later, after going through all this. Bottom line is that you have it.... you'll make a good decision in treatment.... and sooner than you think, it will all be a bad dream!
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Chuck McClellan - 28 May 2004 03:45 GMT > Hey everyone, thanks for the input. I?m newly diagnosed and hating it. I > only found out last week that I have cancer. I have read a lot and have [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > very strage, and it's getting stranger by the year as I get older. Oh > well, just venting a bit. Thanks for listening. Craig Craig, Everything said above is common including what you're going through. Nothing can be said that'll ease it so forgive me when I regrettably welcome you to this "roller coaster ride" also. When my doctor called me with the DX of the biopsy he said something that struck me oddly and stuck with me. He didn't say 'you have cancer' instead he said 'you have A cancer'. To me his saying it that way lessened the impact; it didn't sound so mortal hence my first reaction was 'what's the plan of action?' 'It's a low grade cancer caled adenocarcinoma and we have time to discuss this and for you to weigh your options.' Actually I didn't go through the usual stages of acceptance until my post-op PSA's started climbing. What I'm going through right now is EBRT as well as Lupron. It still could be worse Speaking for myself only the biopsy, the Foley after the RRP(I opted for surgery)and now the Lupron are the worst parts of my ordeal and I feel so very fortunate...but that's me. Every person is different, Thank God, and we all react differently to such life alterings. Write your questions down on paper. Don't attempt to remember what you need answers to. Use this group in fostering questions. Nothing is too trivial to ask. Read all you can and converse with people such as you are doing right now. Chuck McClellan Trying to see the humor in it all.
Netmask - 28 May 2004 06:58 GMT Hi Craig, I turn 66 in a couple of weeks and I decided to have surgery, I certainly was not going down the 'watchful waiting' road - too much paranoia for me to cope with that path. My surgery was 2 weeks ago and fortunately it went well. I am continent and I already detect some movement down below! Like you I am single but so what! If you approach this with a positive mind set knowing you have support from friends and family and all the folks who inhabit the news group you will come through okay. Prior to my surgery I built myself up physically like I was going to be an Olympic athlete, surgery does take it's toll so the healthier you are before the easier it's going to be. The only side effects I have at the moment is a mouthful of ulcers no doubt due to the tube down the neck and a challenged immune system after all the antibiotics etc. If you are worried about future children you could consider the sperm bank if that is an option in your country. Your figures look good in comparison to mine , PSA 5.7 and cancer present in 2 sections out of 6 with a Gleeson score of 6 (2+4). It is a bit like Russian roulette but at the end of the day I don't believe one can ignore it and acceptance of the facts and a belief that in a way we are lucky to know we have a choice of life albeit with change. Get as many medical opinions you can, we are all different so my way may not be yours. I considered Brach therapy but was not available due to the fact I had a TURP 11 years ago and the placement of the seeds was problematic, anyway the procedure seem a bit like a horror movie for me!!! cheers FredP
> Hey everyone, thanks for the input. I'm newly diagnosed and hating it. I > only found out last week that I have cancer. I have read a lot and have [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > very strage, and it's getting stranger by the year as I get older. Oh > well, just venting a bit. Thanks for listening. Craig Danny McCarty - 29 May 2004 20:13 GMT >Subject: A little freaked out... >From: "ProTek" protek@ekiva.net [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >won’t be part of the human race anymore. I guess I’m very freaked out >about sexual dysfunction. I guess that’s what’s bothering me. I’m only 49
>for hell’s sake! I’m single too, that’s not helping any, I’m sure. life is
>very strage, and it's getting stranger by the year as I get older. Oh >well, just venting a bit. Thanks for listening. Craig From now to after your treatment, PSA doesn't matter. You have PCa. You need the Gleason Score and stage to decide what to do. If the Gleason is 3, you have lots of time. If the Gleason is 6 or 7, you can wait two or three months before treatment. At 49, everyone says you should get surgery- either RRP or LRP. I was 59, and had an RRP. Take a few deep breaths and calm yourself. God bless.
Jan. 5, 2001, PSA 5.2 Jan 10, 2001, PSA 10.4 (different lab). Feb 20, 2001, cancer in 6 of 8 cores, Gleason 4 + 3 = 7 Apr. 25, 2001, a few PCa cells in seminal vesical, none in lymph nodes, margins clear. Gleason 8 (9?). Jul 9, 2001, PSA 10.5, began Casodex & Proscar. Oct 10 to Dec 25, 2001, external beam radiation. Jan 5, 2002, PSA 1.1 Jun 10, 2002, PSA 10.7, began Leukine injections. Dec 12, 2002, PSA 12.5, added thalidomide tablets. Aug 15, 2003, PSA 34.5, first Lupron injection. Oct 17, 2003, began 24 week chemotherapy regime. Dec 6, 2003, PSA 23.2 Feb 3, 2004, PSA 34.5, bone scan improved. Feb 14, 2004, PSA 10.5 Feb 29, 2004, PSA 32.1 Mar 13, 2004, PSA 11.2, bone scan better than 3 Feb. May 5 PSA 12.0 doc is pleased. June 17 will get another bone scan.
Nutybuddy49 - 01 Jun 2004 02:48 GMT I'm also 49 and had the sugery on 03/30/04. I have no problems with leaking. I'm running and lifting weights without any problems. Without getting into much detail I can tell you that I'm already having sex with and without the use of the purple pill. It also seems like it's getiing better every week. I really feel I may get very close to normal without any help from the pill.
jhlms - 02 Jun 2004 01:41 GMT Did anybody mention the lack of the "wet spot"....LOL Nobody has to fight over who has to sleep where!!!
> I'm also 49 and had the sugery on 03/30/04. I have no problems with leaking. > I'm running and lifting weights without any problems. Without getting into > much detail I can tell you that I'm already having sex with and without the use > of the purple pill. It also seems like it's getiing better every week. I really > feel I may get very close to normal without any help from the pill. Nutybuddy49 - 02 Jun 2004 02:58 GMT You are right ...I didn't mention that. I'm still amaze on the sensation being the same but nothing coming out. It still is good but you don't get to put the filling in the twinkie!!
MH - 02 Jun 2004 03:30 GMT > You are right ...I didn't mention that. I'm still amaze on the sensation being > the same but nothing coming out. It still is good but you don't get to put the > filling in the twinkie!! roflol.... ahhhh, the euphemisms we use... might be interesting to come up with a list sometime... hehehe...
thanks, nutbuddy! :-)
glad to hear you are doing so well.... you're a lucky guy! congrats!
MikeH
David S. - 03 Jun 2004 02:39 GMT In my case at least, the sensation is definitely not the same. I am 56, soon to be 57. At first it was like don't wink or you'll miss it. After a couple months the sensation was back to a more normal level, but it took a very long time to reach orgasm, and there is no way that I can say that it is the same as before. Hard to describe it I guess, but I experience some pain with orgasm, both in the genitals and sometimes in my head. I have noticed recently, ten months post op, that the sensitivity or pleasurable feeling in the penis is starting to come back. Before it was kind of numb. Maybe there is hope. It just is not the same experience as before. On the nerve sparing, I was a difficult case (RRP). The uro told me "I did the best for you that I could".
Good one on the wet spot! :)
Thank you, David S.
> You are right ...I didn't mention that. I'm still amaze on the sensation being > the same but nothing coming out. It still is good but you don't get to put the > filling in the twinkie!!
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