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cured? - 15 May 2004 04:30 GMT
I'm looking for opinion or experience with implants.I had an RP two years
ago and radiation last year,40 treatments over 8 weeks.My Rp left me 3
inches shorter in length and a smaller circumference but useable.The
radiation took care of the useable part.Now at 47 I don't want to wait 2
years to get a stuffy if I'm lucky.I have read that either type implant can
give back length and volume with a life of ten years.You can then have it
replace or you might not need it then.I see my Dr. the 19 going to see what
he say's.I value the groups opinion more the his.It seems from what I read
here and my own experience that Dr's are in no hurry.They want us two try
everything form needle to pumps to time.I want some fun this year!!!
c palmer - 15 May 2004 05:09 GMT
i'm always willing to learn, but i've got to admit - i've never seen
where the implant will give back the length, except where it hasn't been
disturbed.

in your case.  they shorten you up and in my opinion (and i could be
wrong) if you were to get inflated by the implant, you would go to the
length you are now, not the length you were before the RP.  

if i'm right on my thinking, it is due to the fact that the surgeon cut
that much urethra out and had to pull it back to attach everything.  

also, it should be noted that leonard has mention that after the RP, the
bladder will drop down some into where the space where the prostate use
to be, thus adding to length.

it will be interesting to hear what the dr has to say.

~ curtis

knowledge is power - growing old is mandatory - growing wise is optional    
"Many more men die with prostate cancer than of it. Growing old is
invariably fatal. Prostate cancer is only sometimes so."
Robert Austin - 15 May 2004 16:14 GMT
>if i'm right on my thinking, it is due to the fact that the surgeon
cut that much urethra out and had to pull it back to attach
everything.  
>~ curtis

Hi all -

I commented to my urologist that the cryosurgery had left Mr Happy
shorter.  He said that any of the radical procedures would do that,
period.  I don't know why, evidently it just goes with the territory.

It seems that cutting the urethra section out is not the only thing
responsible, although that may increase the effect.  Wow! increase the
decrease.  Figure that one out Curtis. ;-))

Bob Austin

Age 75
PSA 7 Free PSA 12
1st round of biopsies clear, 2nd. 2 positives
Gleason 9
Cryosurgery 03/11/03
Post Op PSA's .04 & .01
robertbob.austin@NoSpam.earthlink.net
c palmer - 15 May 2004 22:20 GMT
It seems that cutting the urethra section out is not the only thing
responsible, although that may increase the effect. Wow! increase the
decrease. Figure that one out Curtis. ;-))
Bob Austin
===========

i wonder if this falls under the same heading as fighting for peace??
:)

~ curtis
 

knowledge is power - growing old is mandatory - growing wise is optional    
"Many more men die with prostate cancer than of it. Growing old is
invariably fatal. Prostate cancer is only sometimes so."
Danny McCarty - 16 May 2004 00:01 GMT
>Subject: Re: Question Implants
>From: PALMER_ENT@webtv.net  (c palmer)
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>i wonder if this falls under the same heading as fighting for peace??
>:)

If "peace" means submitting to tyranny, "fighting for peace" is nonsense, of
course.
Steve Kramer - 16 May 2004 18:17 GMT
Peace, since the dawn of time, has been an unobtainable goal.  For short
terms, we have experienced it.  The longest term so far was probably after
Nagasaki.  Seems like a hell of a cost to pay for peace.

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PSA 16 10/17/2000 @ 46
Biopsy 11/01/2000 G7 (3+4), T2c
RRP 12/15/2000
PSA  .1  .1  .1  .27  .37  .75
EBRT 05-07/2002 @ 47
PSA  .34 .22 .15 .21 .32
Erection 05/12/2003 @ 48
HTbegins 07/21/2003 @ 48
PSA  .07 .05
Lupron 7/03, 8/03, 12/03, 4/04

> >Subject: Re: Question Implants
> >From: PALMER_ENT@webtv.net  (c palmer)
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>  If "peace" means submitting to tyranny, "fighting for peace" is nonsense, of
> course.
Alan Meyer - 15 May 2004 05:43 GMT
> I'm looking for opinion or experience with implants.I had an RP two years
> ago and radiation last year,40 treatments over 8 weeks.My Rp left me 3
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> here and my own experience that Dr's are in no hurry.They want us two try
> everything form needle to pumps to time.I want some fun this year!!!

I question the safety of these things.  The docs claim
you can take them out without damage, but I don't believe
it.  Ask to see one.  They're BIG!.  A whole lot of tissue has
to be stretched, pushed aside, or whatever to get the thing
in.  You put one of those things inside you and who knows
if anything will ever be the same.

Another question I have is what their long term effects
are.  Women with breast implants have sometimes gotten
some non-trivial problems from them.

Finally, it will presumably make you stiff, but will it really be
more fun?

The doctors who specialize in this are running a business.  They're
salesmen.  They're like the guys who do laser eye surgery - "Oh
sure it's safe.  Never had a problem."  And if the patient's sight
goes bad and is no longer correctable with glasses, then it's
"Oh that never happened before.  You're the first guy I've ever
seen who had a problem."

I think you're doing the right thing asking about it.  Be skeptical.

   Alan
MH - 15 May 2004 11:13 GMT
I'm 53 and 18 months post LRP.  I have no erectile function, and have been
researching the implants.  I have not been talking to doctors.... but to
other men I've encountered through lists (or their wives).... and I have yet
to meet one single man who was not *very satisfied* with the implant.  It is
my understanding, however, that it is *irreversible*.  In other words, if
you ever have it removed, it will not be possible for the penis to function
on it's own.

For an informative video on the implant procedure, itself,  go to this site:

http://www.healthology.com/focus_webcast.asp?f=men_sexualhealth&c=surgery_penile
pumpall
#

If you don't mind graphic photos of the implants, check out this site:

http://www.erectionphotos.com/frames_index.htm

I'm not at a point where I'm ready to give up on getting some more function
back, though that does seem more and more unlikely.  So for me the implant
is somewhere in the future.... but it is *DEFINITELY* an option I will
consider.

If you find any other sites with information, please share.

Take care!
MikeH

> I'm looking for opinion or experience with implants.I had an RP two years
> ago and radiation last year,40 treatments over 8 weeks.My Rp left me 3
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> here and my own experience that Dr's are in no hurry.They want us two try
> everything form needle to pumps to time.I want some fun this year!!!
Steve Kramer - 16 May 2004 18:14 GMT
There is a video on www.Phoenix5.org showing a penile implant operation
(Caren says she's working on the problems, so it might be up again).  The
only drawback I noticed is that the head of the penis is not effected and
remains soft.  As to your problem, it does not add length either.  They take
out what you got and put in replacement parts of the same length.

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Prostate Cancer Survivor (so far), not a doctor
PSA 16 10/17/2000 @ 46
Biopsy 11/01/2000 G7 (3+4), T2c
RRP 12/15/2000
PSA  .1  .1  .1  .27  .37  .75
EBRT 05-07/2002 @ 47
PSA  .34 .22 .15 .21 .32
Erection 05/12/2003 @ 48
HTbegins 07/21/2003 @ 48
PSA  .07 .05
Lupron 7/03, 8/03, 12/03, 4/04

> I'm looking for opinion or experience with implants.I had an RP two years
> ago and radiation last year,40 treatments over 8 weeks.My Rp left me 3
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> here and my own experience that Dr's are in no hurry.They want us two try
> everything form needle to pumps to time.I want some fun this year!!!
David  S. - 16 May 2004 20:12 GMT
   Have you tried a pump?  That is a cheap (compared to the implant
surgery), effective, no drug way to restore function.  I use mine to "get
the blood flowing", so to speak, but have not graduated to clips yet.  That
is probably my next step because the other methods have proved ineffective.
   Just a thought, before jumping into the implant surgery.  By the way,
from what I have read, that surgery is not reversible.  Be sure in your
research you get that answered clearly.  Also, like the prostate surgery, be
sure you are getting an experienced doctor with a good reputation that is
not afraid to answer your questions, including his success/failure rate.
   Good luck.
David S.

> I'm looking for opinion or experience with implants.I had an RP two years
> ago and radiation last year,40 treatments over 8 weeks.My Rp left me 3
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> here and my own experience that Dr's are in no hurry.They want us two try
> everything form needle to pumps to time.I want some fun this year!!!
Rose - 18 May 2004 05:06 GMT
> I'm looking for opinion or experience with implants.I had an RP two years
> ago and radiation last year,40 treatments over 8 weeks.My Rp left me 3
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> here and my own experience that Dr's are in no hurry.They want us two try
> everything form needle to pumps to time.I want some fun this year!!!

My husband has a friend that had the RP surgery 10 years ago.
Eventually he had an implant installed, and he told my husband that he
and his wife are very satisfied with it.  He said that he got it
because he wanted to get back what they had lost.
 
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