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cured? - 04 May 2004 00:44 GMT
Hey, has anybody else heard the radio blitz about this company? It seems
they have cured prostate cancer or at least make it like getting a cold.They
have a commercial on the about every half hour.If what they say is true all
the new comers should go for seeds. I would love to hear from some who have
tried them, anything that makes this cancer easier. www.theraseed.com  Read
the web site it sounds all most to good to be true.
olfart - 04 May 2004 01:22 GMT
> Hey, has anybody else heard the radio blitz about this company? It seems
> they have cured prostate cancer or at least make it like getting a cold.They
> have a commercial on the about every half hour.If what they say is true all
> the new comers should go for seeds. I would love to hear from some who have
> tried them, anything that makes this cancer easier. www.theraseed.com  Read
> the web site it sounds all most to good to be true.

I was scheduled to get Theraseed implants after 25 doses of EBRT, but had to
change to just EBRT because of prostate swelling and the risk that
Theraseeds could cause additional swelling which might be difficult (in my
case) to reduce.
My Drs. at NE GA Cancer Center talk about Theraseeds as the best thing to
come along since sliced bread and they have treated well over 1000 patients.
As far as the website and radio commercial(I haven't heard it yet) are
concerned - they are trying to promote (sell) a product so the positive
aspects are played to the hilt. The RONCO slicer/dicer will chop any veggie,
but they never tell you how many people also lost a fingertip using it.
The one phrase used over and over on the website is "cure". This is definite
over hype since even if a PSA of <0.1 is maintained for a period of years it
doesn't mean that there won't be a recurrence. If you read some of the
clinical studies on the site you will see that "cure" isn't mentioned. The
Theraseed folks use it alot in their sales pitch.
I know that a few of the posters here have had the Theraseeds so I'm sure
they will pass along more info.
c palmer - 04 May 2004 01:47 GMT
hi offart - lee (ford lightning) i think had theraseeds done last
summer.  maybe he'll check in and say hi.

~ curtis

knowledge is power - growing old is mandatory - growing wise is optional    
"Many more men die with prostate cancer than of it. Growing old is
invariably fatal. Prostate cancer is only sometimes so."
c palmer - 04 May 2004 01:30 GMT
you are seeing commercialism at it's best.  
remember, they can take a bag of crap, put it in a pretty wrapper, say
it's been sanitized and get 6 times what it's worth for the same stuff
you can get out of a barn.

theraseeds are nothing more than seeds for the brachytherapy - that's
all.  now, they are starting to put a brand name on them.  you know,
sort of like erection pills........  :)

~ curtis

knowledge is power - growing old is mandatory - growing wise is optional    
"Many more men die with prostate cancer than of it. Growing old is
invariably fatal. Prostate cancer is only sometimes so."
jk - 04 May 2004 01:37 GMT
> Hey, has anybody else heard the radio blitz about this company? It seems
> they have cured prostate cancer or at least make it like getting a cold.They
> have a commercial on the about every half hour.If what they say is true all
> the new comers should go for seeds. I would love to hear from some who have
> tried them, anything that makes this cancer easier. www.theraseed.com  Read
> the web site it sounds all most to good to be true.

  If it's on the radio, it must be true!! I went to see our big local
advertiser of seed implants when I was fighting with my decision. I thought
he was a big ego'd huckster. "I can cure you any day of the week", he told
me without reading my chart. 2 years later this was the guy that was being
sued by George Harrison's family for inapropriate behavior, and has since
been let go.
  I settled for RP with a classy, top young surgeon. He told me, "you have
a curable desease with a good chance for a normal recovery and life".  I
liked his confidence, experience, and manner.

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Tom C - 04 May 2004 11:07 GMT
They're one of nine mfrs. of pd-103 seeds, in my view, the advertising falls
in the same category as all the pharmaceutical commercials seen on the tube
or in magazines. Does that make them bad, I don't think so. If  you watch a
ball game or NASCAR, you can't avoid the Viagra ads. I'm waiting for TV
spots advertising pumps :-)

Tom

If you opt for brachytherapy I assume that your medical professionals would
select the type and mfr. of the seeds not the patient.

> > Hey, has anybody else heard the radio blitz about this company? It seems
> > they have cured prostate cancer or at least make it like getting a
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> a curable desease with a good chance for a normal recovery and life".  I
> liked his confidence, experience, and manner.
olfart - 04 May 2004 14:20 GMT
> They're one of nine mfrs. of pd-103 seeds, in my view, the advertising falls
> in the same category as all the pharmaceutical commercials seen on the tube
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>
> Tom

Can't wait for the Pump ads to come on TV

"This baby is powered by a 265 HP fuel injected V-8 which guarantees an
erection in 0.8 seceonds or less. Can you say Hemi ???"
DanR - 04 May 2004 22:23 GMT
and in the background you'll see a HUMMER?
Alan Meyer - 04 May 2004 19:45 GMT
> Hey, has anybody else heard the radio blitz about this company? It seems
> they have cured prostate cancer or at least make it like getting a cold.They
> have a commercial on the about every half hour.If what they say is true all
> the new comers should go for seeds. I would love to hear from some who have
> tried them, anything that makes this cancer easier. www.theraseed.com  Read
> the web site it sounds all most to good to be true.

Along with all the other posters, I agree that this kind of
advertising hype is irresponsible and unethical.

That said, I'll add the following:

1. From everything I've read, properly done radiation
works as well as properly done RP.  Both have an
equal chance of curing cancer.  Others disagree.

2. Treatment with radiation in general seems to me to have
less risk (but not zero risk) of complications and negative
side effects as compared to surgery.

3. Seed implant is a good form of radiation.  There
are other equally good forms with equally high
success rates.

4. Palladium 103 seeds are an effective form of seed implant.
Some say they're better than Iodine 125.  Some don't say
one is better than the other.

5. Seed implant by itself can only work if there is no
extension of the cancer outside the prostate.  If there is
(which is likely if Gleason score or PSA is high), then
external beam radiation is more effective - either by
itself or in combination with seeds.

6. The skill of the doctors is still critical.  They have to
implant the seeds correctly, in the right spots, with the
right dosage delivered to each area of the prostate.  Success
in killing the cancer and in avoiding complications depends
on the skill and attention of the doctor.  This is the same
as with RP, where the skill of the surgeon is also critical.

Bottom line-------------

Seed implant by itself is a reasonable treatment for
"low risk" patients (low PSA, low Gleason, no observed
extensions of the tumor.).

Seed implant together with external beam radiation
and possibly hormone suppression therapy is a reasonable
treatment for intermediate and high risk patients - if the
cancer has not spread beyond the immediate vicinity of
the prostate.

You still need to find a good doctor to apply the therapy.

Nothing is guaranteed.

   Alan
Beverley - 05 May 2004 03:10 GMT
I have no clue as to the brand name of the seeds my husband had implanted. I
seriously doubt it matters. I only know he had Iodine 125 and they have a
half life of 59+ days.

Sometimes I think this stuff is a little like aspirin - does it matter which
brand?

We chose the doctor and we expect him to choose the best seeds if there is a
difference.

Do drug companies expect us to ask the doctors for Rx's of whatever or
demand which seeds? I guess so or they wouldn't be advertising. "Hello, Dr.
X, I'm here because I want brachytherapy and I want you to use Theraseed and
only Theraseed on me." "You don't use them - well, I guess I need to find a
doctor who does. Good-bye"
Bev

'

> > Hey, has anybody else heard the radio blitz about this company? It seems
> > they have cured prostate cancer or at least make it like getting a
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>
>     Alan
jk - 05 May 2004 03:50 GMT
> I have no clue as to the brand name of the seeds my husband had implanted. I
> seriously doubt it matters. I only know he had Iodine 125 and they have a
> half life of 59+ days.

    Knowing you, I'm shocked Bev that you didn't do a thorough history on
the manufacturer, including a tour of the plant! More importantly.... is it
hump day yet?

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Beverley - 05 May 2004 04:08 GMT
But the background check I did on the radiation oncologist was impressive.
:-)
Bev

> > I have no clue as to the brand name of the seeds my husband had implanted.
> I
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> the manufacturer, including a tour of the plant! More importantly.... is it
> hump day yet?
Tom C - 05 May 2004 10:43 GMT
Bev,
I think you're right on target, I went for a CT scan yesterday and will see
the radiation oncologist tomorrow. I have the *necessary* confidence in him
to trust his judgment as to the type/brand of seeds. It's my understanding
that he prefers PD103, at any rate I'll ask why he prefers one over the
other, just to satisfy my curiosity, not to question his judgment. From what
I've read about quality control in the manufacturing process, there is
little if any difference between brands of the same isotope.
On the light side, I can't forget to buy some glow sticks :-)

Tom

> But the background check I did on the radiation oncologist was impressive.
> :-)
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> it
> > hump day yet?
c palmer - 05 May 2004 11:31 GMT
tom - lee (ford lightning) had seeds done and was discussing the
different type of seeds.  i found it interesting that he is the only one
who has made sure that the seeds they were using were "fresh"  because
of the 1/2 life.   the last thing you want is to have seeds installed
that were not at the peak of freshness, to be most effective.

also, i found out that he was told that when they plant the seeds they
kept them away from the erectile nerves and blood vessels the best they
could so as to not cause him problems.  he said that the rad. guy went
into detail to show where they place them so as to cause minimum
problems, and he also stated that some of the ones who are doing seeding
do not follow this.  since i haven't had seeding, i'm just repeating
what was told, but i did find it interesting because it's not been
brought up at the newsgroup as to the placing of the seeds other than
they are put in by the scope when they do them.

~ curtis

knowledge is power - growing old is mandatory - growing wise is optional    
"Many more men die with prostate cancer than of it. Growing old is
invariably fatal. Prostate cancer is only sometimes so."
Tom C - 06 May 2004 02:13 GMT
Curtis,
Thanks , you've given me a couple more questions to ask tomorrow afternoon.

Tom
> tom - lee (ford lightning) had seeds done and was discussing the
> different type of seeds.  i found it interesting that he is the only one
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> "Many more men die with prostate cancer than of it. Growing old is
> invariably fatal. Prostate cancer is only sometimes so."
Ford Lightning - 06 May 2004 16:32 GMT
You betcha,  my rad onc also told me that he doesn't do Palladium 109's
because the titanium can shield enough radiation to give you cold spots! I
could have had the "bulk" seeds done almost immediately at one of the best
hospitals in the area, but he advised me to wait for one of the smaller
hospitals that can only get fresh seeds made to order for ME! It would also
mean less work for him as he wouldn't have to load the seeds and bone wax
into the sleeves. It would come from the factory loaded according to my
plan! SWEET! Yikes I wanted full coverage, but stay away from the nerves! He
called it "nerve sparing placement". So far no problems with the placement
or erections (grin). I even had my 5 year colonoscopy and there were no
signs of sunburn down there! My only problems @ nine months is some bouts
with prostititus that requires me to take some extra strength Tylenol a
couple times a day.... other than that I still have some symptoms of
BPH..... but I sleep through the night. My PSA's are holding steady at 0.6 ,
but like everyone knows there is no guarantee.

Lee
> tom - lee (ford lightning) had seeds done and was discussing the
> different type of seeds.  i found it interesting that he is the only one
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
> "Many more men die with prostate cancer than of it. Growing old is
> invariably fatal. Prostate cancer is only sometimes so."
c palmer - 06 May 2004 17:12 GMT
VAROOOM.........SCREECH............
is that burning rubber i smell?

hi lee - is the lightning still in the garage or did you have to take it
out to make room?  

glad you checked back in.  you were the only one who talked about the
"freshness" of the seeds and if you could lay some info on the different
type of seeds would help.  there are more interest in brachytherapy
since you've have yours.  

still waxing up the mustang on this end, but enjoying the police pursuit
too.

~ curtis

knowledge is power - growing old is mandatory - growing wise is optional    
"Many more men die with prostate cancer than of it. Growing old is
invariably fatal. Prostate cancer is only sometimes so."
Tom C - 07 May 2004 01:13 GMT
I came away very confident and comfortable from a consultation with my
radiation oncologist and the physicist today, actually, it was two separate
consultations. One to discuss the physics, the mapping and the mechanics of
the procedure, the other to discuss the medical aspects.

I asked a couple questions that had risen here in the last couple of days.
I asked why he prefers Pd-103 over I-125, the answer was that they are both
equally effective, however, if a retention problem should arise that might
require catherization for a period before a surgical procedure could be
performed, the time frame for catherization is much shorter with Pd-103
seeds due to the rate they decay or emit  energy, he explained that there
should be at least two weeks between the time the seeds finished emitting
energy and any other procedure.

Because the Pd-103 has a half life of 17 days and any delays in shipping or
scheduling  would result in a deteriorated dosage, I asked about the
freshness / strength of the seeds, I was told that they are shipped *hot*,
with an allowance for decay in shipping and are tested just prior to use.
Without going through the equations, Pd-103 decays approximately 4% per day.

Some good news from the CT scan on Tues., my original volume from ultrasound
in Dec. 03 was 60 cm, new comps. from the CT are 24 cm. With that in mind, I
can tolerate the flashes, sweats and loss of libido from the Lupron, another
five months of that stuff and I'll need a training bra ;-)

Tom

> VAROOOM.........SCREECH............
> is that burning rubber i smell?
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> "Many more men die with prostate cancer than of it. Growing old is
> invariably fatal. Prostate cancer is only sometimes so."
 
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