Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Prostate Cancer / May 2004
Theraseed?????????
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cured? - 04 May 2004 00:44 GMT Hey, has anybody else heard the radio blitz about this company? It seems they have cured prostate cancer or at least make it like getting a cold.They have a commercial on the about every half hour.If what they say is true all the new comers should go for seeds. I would love to hear from some who have tried them, anything that makes this cancer easier. www.theraseed.com Read the web site it sounds all most to good to be true.
olfart - 04 May 2004 01:22 GMT > Hey, has anybody else heard the radio blitz about this company? It seems > they have cured prostate cancer or at least make it like getting a cold.They > have a commercial on the about every half hour.If what they say is true all > the new comers should go for seeds. I would love to hear from some who have > tried them, anything that makes this cancer easier. www.theraseed.com Read > the web site it sounds all most to good to be true. I was scheduled to get Theraseed implants after 25 doses of EBRT, but had to change to just EBRT because of prostate swelling and the risk that Theraseeds could cause additional swelling which might be difficult (in my case) to reduce. My Drs. at NE GA Cancer Center talk about Theraseeds as the best thing to come along since sliced bread and they have treated well over 1000 patients. As far as the website and radio commercial(I haven't heard it yet) are concerned - they are trying to promote (sell) a product so the positive aspects are played to the hilt. The RONCO slicer/dicer will chop any veggie, but they never tell you how many people also lost a fingertip using it. The one phrase used over and over on the website is "cure". This is definite over hype since even if a PSA of <0.1 is maintained for a period of years it doesn't mean that there won't be a recurrence. If you read some of the clinical studies on the site you will see that "cure" isn't mentioned. The Theraseed folks use it alot in their sales pitch. I know that a few of the posters here have had the Theraseeds so I'm sure they will pass along more info.
c palmer - 04 May 2004 01:47 GMT hi offart - lee (ford lightning) i think had theraseeds done last summer. maybe he'll check in and say hi.
~ curtis
knowledge is power - growing old is mandatory - growing wise is optional "Many more men die with prostate cancer than of it. Growing old is invariably fatal. Prostate cancer is only sometimes so."
c palmer - 04 May 2004 01:30 GMT you are seeing commercialism at it's best. remember, they can take a bag of crap, put it in a pretty wrapper, say it's been sanitized and get 6 times what it's worth for the same stuff you can get out of a barn.
theraseeds are nothing more than seeds for the brachytherapy - that's all. now, they are starting to put a brand name on them. you know, sort of like erection pills........ :)
~ curtis
knowledge is power - growing old is mandatory - growing wise is optional "Many more men die with prostate cancer than of it. Growing old is invariably fatal. Prostate cancer is only sometimes so."
jk - 04 May 2004 01:37 GMT > Hey, has anybody else heard the radio blitz about this company? It seems > they have cured prostate cancer or at least make it like getting a cold.They > have a commercial on the about every half hour.If what they say is true all > the new comers should go for seeds. I would love to hear from some who have > tried them, anything that makes this cancer easier. www.theraseed.com Read > the web site it sounds all most to good to be true. If it's on the radio, it must be true!! I went to see our big local advertiser of seed implants when I was fighting with my decision. I thought he was a big ego'd huckster. "I can cure you any day of the week", he told me without reading my chart. 2 years later this was the guy that was being sued by George Harrison's family for inapropriate behavior, and has since been let go. I settled for RP with a classy, top young surgeon. He told me, "you have a curable desease with a good chance for a normal recovery and life". I liked his confidence, experience, and manner.
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Tom C - 04 May 2004 11:07 GMT They're one of nine mfrs. of pd-103 seeds, in my view, the advertising falls in the same category as all the pharmaceutical commercials seen on the tube or in magazines. Does that make them bad, I don't think so. If you watch a ball game or NASCAR, you can't avoid the Viagra ads. I'm waiting for TV spots advertising pumps :-)
Tom
If you opt for brachytherapy I assume that your medical professionals would select the type and mfr. of the seeds not the patient.
> > Hey, has anybody else heard the radio blitz about this company? It seems > > they have cured prostate cancer or at least make it like getting a [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > a curable desease with a good chance for a normal recovery and life". I > liked his confidence, experience, and manner. olfart - 04 May 2004 14:20 GMT > They're one of nine mfrs. of pd-103 seeds, in my view, the advertising falls > in the same category as all the pharmaceutical commercials seen on the tube [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Tom Can't wait for the Pump ads to come on TV
"This baby is powered by a 265 HP fuel injected V-8 which guarantees an erection in 0.8 seceonds or less. Can you say Hemi ???"
DanR - 04 May 2004 22:23 GMT and in the background you'll see a HUMMER?
Alan Meyer - 04 May 2004 19:45 GMT > Hey, has anybody else heard the radio blitz about this company? It seems > they have cured prostate cancer or at least make it like getting a cold.They > have a commercial on the about every half hour.If what they say is true all > the new comers should go for seeds. I would love to hear from some who have > tried them, anything that makes this cancer easier. www.theraseed.com Read > the web site it sounds all most to good to be true. Along with all the other posters, I agree that this kind of advertising hype is irresponsible and unethical.
That said, I'll add the following:
1. From everything I've read, properly done radiation works as well as properly done RP. Both have an equal chance of curing cancer. Others disagree.
2. Treatment with radiation in general seems to me to have less risk (but not zero risk) of complications and negative side effects as compared to surgery.
3. Seed implant is a good form of radiation. There are other equally good forms with equally high success rates.
4. Palladium 103 seeds are an effective form of seed implant. Some say they're better than Iodine 125. Some don't say one is better than the other.
5. Seed implant by itself can only work if there is no extension of the cancer outside the prostate. If there is (which is likely if Gleason score or PSA is high), then external beam radiation is more effective - either by itself or in combination with seeds.
6. The skill of the doctors is still critical. They have to implant the seeds correctly, in the right spots, with the right dosage delivered to each area of the prostate. Success in killing the cancer and in avoiding complications depends on the skill and attention of the doctor. This is the same as with RP, where the skill of the surgeon is also critical.
Bottom line-------------
Seed implant by itself is a reasonable treatment for "low risk" patients (low PSA, low Gleason, no observed extensions of the tumor.).
Seed implant together with external beam radiation and possibly hormone suppression therapy is a reasonable treatment for intermediate and high risk patients - if the cancer has not spread beyond the immediate vicinity of the prostate.
You still need to find a good doctor to apply the therapy.
Nothing is guaranteed.
Alan
Beverley - 05 May 2004 03:10 GMT I have no clue as to the brand name of the seeds my husband had implanted. I seriously doubt it matters. I only know he had Iodine 125 and they have a half life of 59+ days.
Sometimes I think this stuff is a little like aspirin - does it matter which brand?
We chose the doctor and we expect him to choose the best seeds if there is a difference.
Do drug companies expect us to ask the doctors for Rx's of whatever or demand which seeds? I guess so or they wouldn't be advertising. "Hello, Dr. X, I'm here because I want brachytherapy and I want you to use Theraseed and only Theraseed on me." "You don't use them - well, I guess I need to find a doctor who does. Good-bye" Bev
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> > Hey, has anybody else heard the radio blitz about this company? It seems > > they have cured prostate cancer or at least make it like getting a [quoted text clipped - 58 lines] > > Alan jk - 05 May 2004 03:50 GMT > I have no clue as to the brand name of the seeds my husband had implanted. I > seriously doubt it matters. I only know he had Iodine 125 and they have a > half life of 59+ days. Knowing you, I'm shocked Bev that you didn't do a thorough history on the manufacturer, including a tour of the plant! More importantly.... is it hump day yet?
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Beverley - 05 May 2004 04:08 GMT But the background check I did on the radiation oncologist was impressive.
:-) Bev
> > I have no clue as to the brand name of the seeds my husband had implanted. > I [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > the manufacturer, including a tour of the plant! More importantly.... is it > hump day yet? Tom C - 05 May 2004 10:43 GMT Bev, I think you're right on target, I went for a CT scan yesterday and will see the radiation oncologist tomorrow. I have the *necessary* confidence in him to trust his judgment as to the type/brand of seeds. It's my understanding that he prefers PD103, at any rate I'll ask why he prefers one over the other, just to satisfy my curiosity, not to question his judgment. From what I've read about quality control in the manufacturing process, there is little if any difference between brands of the same isotope. On the light side, I can't forget to buy some glow sticks :-)
Tom
> But the background check I did on the radiation oncologist was impressive. > :-) [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > it > > hump day yet? c palmer - 05 May 2004 11:31 GMT tom - lee (ford lightning) had seeds done and was discussing the different type of seeds. i found it interesting that he is the only one who has made sure that the seeds they were using were "fresh" because of the 1/2 life. the last thing you want is to have seeds installed that were not at the peak of freshness, to be most effective.
also, i found out that he was told that when they plant the seeds they kept them away from the erectile nerves and blood vessels the best they could so as to not cause him problems. he said that the rad. guy went into detail to show where they place them so as to cause minimum problems, and he also stated that some of the ones who are doing seeding do not follow this. since i haven't had seeding, i'm just repeating what was told, but i did find it interesting because it's not been brought up at the newsgroup as to the placing of the seeds other than they are put in by the scope when they do them.
~ curtis
knowledge is power - growing old is mandatory - growing wise is optional "Many more men die with prostate cancer than of it. Growing old is invariably fatal. Prostate cancer is only sometimes so."
Tom C - 06 May 2004 02:13 GMT Curtis, Thanks , you've given me a couple more questions to ask tomorrow afternoon.
Tom
> tom - lee (ford lightning) had seeds done and was discussing the > different type of seeds. i found it interesting that he is the only one [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > "Many more men die with prostate cancer than of it. Growing old is > invariably fatal. Prostate cancer is only sometimes so." Ford Lightning - 06 May 2004 16:32 GMT You betcha, my rad onc also told me that he doesn't do Palladium 109's because the titanium can shield enough radiation to give you cold spots! I could have had the "bulk" seeds done almost immediately at one of the best hospitals in the area, but he advised me to wait for one of the smaller hospitals that can only get fresh seeds made to order for ME! It would also mean less work for him as he wouldn't have to load the seeds and bone wax into the sleeves. It would come from the factory loaded according to my plan! SWEET! Yikes I wanted full coverage, but stay away from the nerves! He called it "nerve sparing placement". So far no problems with the placement or erections (grin). I even had my 5 year colonoscopy and there were no signs of sunburn down there! My only problems @ nine months is some bouts with prostititus that requires me to take some extra strength Tylenol a couple times a day.... other than that I still have some symptoms of BPH..... but I sleep through the night. My PSA's are holding steady at 0.6 , but like everyone knows there is no guarantee.
Lee
> tom - lee (ford lightning) had seeds done and was discussing the > different type of seeds. i found it interesting that he is the only one [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > "Many more men die with prostate cancer than of it. Growing old is > invariably fatal. Prostate cancer is only sometimes so." c palmer - 06 May 2004 17:12 GMT VAROOOM.........SCREECH............ is that burning rubber i smell?
hi lee - is the lightning still in the garage or did you have to take it out to make room?
glad you checked back in. you were the only one who talked about the "freshness" of the seeds and if you could lay some info on the different type of seeds would help. there are more interest in brachytherapy since you've have yours.
still waxing up the mustang on this end, but enjoying the police pursuit too.
~ curtis
knowledge is power - growing old is mandatory - growing wise is optional "Many more men die with prostate cancer than of it. Growing old is invariably fatal. Prostate cancer is only sometimes so."
Tom C - 07 May 2004 01:13 GMT I came away very confident and comfortable from a consultation with my radiation oncologist and the physicist today, actually, it was two separate consultations. One to discuss the physics, the mapping and the mechanics of the procedure, the other to discuss the medical aspects.
I asked a couple questions that had risen here in the last couple of days. I asked why he prefers Pd-103 over I-125, the answer was that they are both equally effective, however, if a retention problem should arise that might require catherization for a period before a surgical procedure could be performed, the time frame for catherization is much shorter with Pd-103 seeds due to the rate they decay or emit energy, he explained that there should be at least two weeks between the time the seeds finished emitting energy and any other procedure.
Because the Pd-103 has a half life of 17 days and any delays in shipping or scheduling would result in a deteriorated dosage, I asked about the freshness / strength of the seeds, I was told that they are shipped *hot*, with an allowance for decay in shipping and are tested just prior to use. Without going through the equations, Pd-103 decays approximately 4% per day.
Some good news from the CT scan on Tues., my original volume from ultrasound in Dec. 03 was 60 cm, new comps. from the CT are 24 cm. With that in mind, I can tolerate the flashes, sweats and loss of libido from the Lupron, another five months of that stuff and I'll need a training bra ;-)
Tom
> VAROOOM.........SCREECH............ > is that burning rubber i smell? [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > "Many more men die with prostate cancer than of it. Growing old is > invariably fatal. Prostate cancer is only sometimes so."
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