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c palmer - 27 Apr 2004 04:36 GMT hi folks - i ran across this website and wanted to share it with you. kim has put together a mixture of things to make us laugh and to make us think. i definitely loved the cockroach theory........
------------- My name is Kim Garretson. I live in Minneapolis. I had a Radical Prostatectomy at age 51 at Mayo Clinic last April after complaining of symptoms for nearly 3 years, with my GP never giving me a PSA test. When he did I had a PSA of 159. But, despite very grim indicators going into surgery, I had a surprisingly good outcome. I wanted to thank you (YANA) for the comprehensiveness of your site, which I referred to during my journey. Recently I wrote a book for family and friends about my journey. I was looking for a way to illustrate the book with some sardonic humor, because I believe you have to laugh in the face of grim news as both a coping and a healing tactic. I came up with the idea of changing old pulp fiction magazine covers about fictional terrors to reflect the real terrors that guys face with this epidemic. My thought is that there already exists fantastic and comprehensive online resources like your site. So, I needn't add to that, plus I am not the diligent discoverer about all aspects of the disease like you so gratifyingly have done. So, I thought that maybe by showing my altered magazine covers, men -- and their women -- could smile a bit about the absurdity of what they are going through and maybe take away a little uplift from this. Take a look at Kim Garretson's terrific website by clicking on MansGland Here's one of his posters
------------ Cockroach Analogy Prostate cancer is similar to finding a cockroach in the middle of your kitchen table. You panic, knowing that where there is one there are probably more and they do multiply. You call several exterminators. The surgeon recommends removal. He'll use a chain saw and remove the kitchen from the rest of the house and repair the plumbing as best he can with what remains. The external beam radiation exterminator wants to stand out side the kitchen and blast away with a twelve gauge shot gun hoping he will miss the plumbing. The seed implant exterminator is really slick. He just wants to drill holes in the wall and toss in grenades. The cryosurgery exterminator wants to drill holes in the walls and pump in liquid nitrogen, hoping he doesn't freeze the plumbing. The hormone guys.. well they just want to pump in sleeping gas. Knowing all too well that in a couple of years the cockroaches will wake up pissed off and hungry. Chemotherapy boys will offer to poison everything in the kitchen and will promise you that if you eat the poison they will give you an antidote which may or may not work. The alternative medicine people will give you a bit of eye of newt and toe of frog plus a couple of other exotic ingredients and hope to hell that chases the cockroaches away. And then there are the watchful waiting folks, some of whom are not real sure that there was a cockroach and some of whom think it may have been just an old bachelor 'roach with no kids that they saw. Now if there is only the one cockroach the odds are good - you can get rid of the infestation. However if the little bugger laid eggs elsewhere or more of his buddies are lurking about in other places... well you get the picture. In any case, life in the kitchen will never be the same. One of these days an exterminator will come along who just swats the cockroach and puts out poison bait for the others!! You'll never know he was there. Until then good luck on your choice of exterminators, and low or non-existent PSA's to you all. And remember - Don't take life too seriously. You won't get out of it alive anyway!
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A New Day This is the beginning of a new day. I have been given this day to use as I will. I can waste it or use it for good. What I do today is important because I'm exchanging a day of my life for it. When tomorrow comes, this day will be gone forever, leaving in its place whatever I have traded for it. I pledge to myself that it shall be... gain, not loss; good, not evil; success, not failure... in order that I shall not regret the price I paid for this day. (Source unknown)
----------------- Jelly Bean Theory on Life This theory on life was originally told to Mac by a Marine flight instructor when he was but a Marine student aviator. It was then the theory on flying but somehow it seems just as applicable to life in general: On the day you are born you are given a large bowl. In this bowl is placed several bags of white jelly beans, a handful of grey jelly beans and one black jelly bean. The white jelly beans represent good days, the grey jelly beans represent close calls, an accident, a serious illness etc. but you live. The black jelly bean represents the day you buy the farm. Now every day you have to blindly take out a jelly bean. If you take stupid risks such as smoking or drinking and driving and so on you grab a handful of jelly beans instead of just one. Some people grab the black jelly bean early on and die at a young age. Some folks use up every bean in the bowl, but eventually, we all have to get to the black jelly bean. All of us diagnosed with prostate cancer have grabbed a few grey jelly beans - let's hope there are a lot more white ones left, and the black one is buried at the bottom. --------------- Back to top What Cancer Cannot Do Cancer is so limited . . . It cannot cripple love, It cannot shatter hope, It cannot corrode faith, It cannot destroy peace, It cannot kill friendship, It cannot suppress memories, It cannot silence courage, It cannot invade the soul, It cannot steal eternal life, It cannot conquer the spirit. (Source unknown)
------------------- Trading Places on ADT There'a nothing like a course of Hormone Therapy (ADT - Androgen Deprivation Therapy) to help you understand your womenfolk - so says Neutrond-Electrond Bob. Here are some of the things you'll share: Weight gain - watch it happening Hot flashes - how many today, dear? I've got a headache - guys never liked hearing that one, now we say it You become concerned about your breast size - enlargement for men You have doctors probing some pretty strange places You enjoy watching non-violent t.v. movies and gal flicks more You start talking to strangers about your medical conditions or looks You start hanging out with larger numbers of the same sex to talk (support groups) Not tonight dear - not any night now, dear! You enjoy going to see your doctor and talking on the phone more You know why women have to work out even when they are in shape You don't ask for beer, but ask where your supplements are. You start eating some weird foods and avoiding your favorites You start listening closely to your wife You know more about your doctor than your brother-in-law You learn how to spell medical words and their meanings Your friends and family wonder if you have been abducted by aliens
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FAQ on HMOs Q. What does HMO stand for? A. This is actually a variation of the phrase, "HEY MOE." Its roots go back to a concept pioneered by Moe of the Three Stooges, who discovered that a patient could be made to forget about the pain in his foot if he was poked hard enough in the eyes. Q. I just joined an HMO. How difficult will it be to choose the doctor I want? A. Just slightly more difficult than choosing your parents. Your insurer will provide you with a book listing all the doctors in the plan. These doctors basically fall into two categories-those who are no longer accepting new patients, and those who will see you but are no longer participating in the plan. But don't worry; the remaining doctor who is still in the plan and accepting new patients has an office just a half-day's drive away, and a diploma from a Third World country. Q. Do all diagnostic procedures require pre-certification? A. No. Only those you need. Q. Can I get coverage for my preexisting conditions? A. Certainly, as long as they don't require any treatment. Q. What happens if I want to try alternative forms of medicine? A. You'll need to find alternative forms of payment. Q. My pharmacy plan only covers generic drugs, but I need the name brand. I tried the Generic Medication, but it gave me a stomach ache. What should I do? A. Poke yourself in the eye. Q. What if I'm away from home and I get sick? A. You really shouldn't do that. Q. I think I need to see a specialist, but my doctor insists he can handle my problem. Can a general practitioner really perform a heart transplant right in his office? A. Hard to say, but considering that all you're risking is the $20 co-payment, there's no harm in giving him a shot at it. Q. Will health care be different in the next century? A. No. But if you call right now, you might get an appointment by then.
---------------------- SNIPPETS OF WISDOM Cures Extract from "Flowers In Winter" by Sir William Keys. His specialist is talking about his remission - which he refers to as a 'cure': "
my personal observation, common to all 'cures' has been the unshakeable determination of the patient to show just how wrong (and usually how insensitive and apparently uncaring) those bloody doctors could be. The patients make up their minds to beat cancer and also to beat the doctor who implied that they couldn't." ---------- All Members should know these! Three Things Never trust a fart. Never pass by a urinal. Never waste an erection (Even if you are on your own!) (Mac) --------------- Willet Whitmore, one of the deans of modern urology, once said: "Many more men die with prostate cancer that of it. Growing old is invariably fatal. Prostate cancer is only sometimes so." An Observation You can shake and dance Like you've got ants!! But the last few drops, Go in your pants!! (Mac) -------------------
The Dash I read of a Pastor who stood to speak at the funeral of his friend. He referred to the dates on her tombstone, from the beginning - to the end. He noted that first came the date of her birth - and spoke of the following date with tears, but he said what mattered most of all was - the dash between those years. For that dash represents all the time that she spent alive on earth, and now only those who loved her, know what that little line is worth. For it matters not, how much we own; the cars, the house, the cash. What matters is how we live and love and how we spend
our dash. So think about this long and hard, are there things you'd like to change? For you never know how much time is left. You could be at "dash mid-range". If we could just slow down enough to consider what's true and real, and always try to understand the way other people feel. And be less quick to anger, and show appreciation more and love the people in our lives like we've never loved before. If we treat each other with respect, and more often wear a smile, remembering that this special dash might only last a little while. So, when your Eulogy is being read, with your life's actions to rehash
would you be pleased with the things they say - about how you spent your dash? Reproduced - from an Anonymous Author.
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Without Hope The dawn is coloring the sky as I write this. Soon it will be light enough to see the whales in the bay beneath my window. They are calving and mating. At sunrise, my dogs and I will take our daily walk up the mountains behind the house. The spring flowers - what we call fynbos - are beginning to blossom and there is color everywhere. Later in the day, or perhaps tomorrow, my wife and I will drive up the coast to see the wild flowers which are all in full bloom and creating a kaleidoscope of the bush land. Everything is wonderful and it is great to be alive. But
there is a cloud no bigger than a man's hand on the horizon. This week I must get my PSA count checked again. The thought is not a happy one. If it has stayed down, we cannot celebrate our good fortune. We will merely know that the beast still appears to be caged. But we do not know for sure. Many people are only too pleased to tell us about others who have metastases with low PSA counts. Bad news has many companions. Perhaps too the doctors are right who have said that the regimen I am following is merely masking the spread. But we'll maybe only know the answer to that in twenty years time, with a bit of luck. And if the count is up? What to do then? Is it a blip in the chart? Is it the genuine thing? The wait for the next test will be awful if this one is up. But that is what we have to live with, all of us who have been diagnosed with this disease, no matter what action we have taken. Always looking over our shoulders to see if the beast is out and after us. It's hard on all of us, and even more so on the lonely road of holistic medicine I have chosen. Without hope, it would be impossible, I think. (Posting on a message board)
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Ric Masten - Poet/Philospher/PCa Survivor WORDS & ONE-LINERS
BILATERAL ORCHIDECTOMY never could look up words in the dictionary in a high school assignment writing an autobiography I described my self as a unique person scribbled in the margin the teacher's correction fairly chortled "unique" not "eunuch" how could he have known that one day I would actually become a misspelling backed against the wall by advanced prostate cancer I chose the operation over the enormous ongoing expense of chemical castration "No big deal." I thought at the time what's the difference they both add up to the same thing but in the movies these days during the hot gratuitous sex scene I yawn
bored... wishing they'd quit dicking around and get on with the plot and on TV the buxom cuties that titillate around the products certainly aren't selling me anything I realize now that although it would probably kill them the guys who went chemical still have an option I don't philosophically I'm the same person but biologically I 'm like the picture puzzle our family traditionally puts together over the holidays the French impressionist rendition of a flower shop interior in all it's bright colorful confusion this season I didn't work the puzzle quite as enthusiastically... and for good reason this year I know pieces are missing where the orchids used to be "So?" says I to myself "You're still here to smell the roses!" ©Ric Masten
knowledge is power - growing old is mandatory - growing wise is optional
Tom C - 27 Apr 2004 10:43 GMT And the jelly beans! Tom hi folks - i ran across this website and wanted to share it with you. kim has put together a mixture of things to make us laugh and to make us think. i definitely loved the cockroach theory........
------------- My name is Kim Garretson. I live in Minneapolis. I had a Radical Prostatectomy at age 51 at Mayo Clinic last April after complaining of symptoms for nearly 3 years, with my GP never giving me a PSA test. When he did I had a PSA of 159. But, despite very grim indicators going into surgery, I had a surprisingly good outcome. I wanted to thank you (YANA) for the comprehensiveness of your site, which I referred to during my journey. Recently I wrote a book for family and friends about my journey. I was looking for a way to illustrate the book with some sardonic humor, because I believe you have to laugh in the face of grim news as both a coping and a healing tactic. I came up with the idea of changing old pulp fiction magazine covers about fictional terrors to reflect the real terrors that guys face with this epidemic. My thought is that there already exists fantastic and comprehensive online resources like your site. So, I needn't add to that, plus I am not the diligent discoverer about all aspects of the disease like you so gratifyingly have done. So, I thought that maybe by showing my altered magazine covers, men -- and their women -- could smile a bit about the absurdity of what they are going through and maybe take away a little uplift from this. Take a look at Kim Garretson's terrific website by clicking on MansGland Here's one of his posters
------------ Cockroach Analogy Prostate cancer is similar to finding a cockroach in the middle of your kitchen table. You panic, knowing that where there is one there are probably more and they do multiply. You call several exterminators. The surgeon recommends removal. He'll use a chain saw and remove the kitchen from the rest of the house and repair the plumbing as best he can with what remains. The external beam radiation exterminator wants to stand out side the kitchen and blast away with a twelve gauge shot gun hoping he will miss the plumbing. The seed implant exterminator is really slick. He just wants to drill holes in the wall and toss in grenades. The cryosurgery exterminator wants to drill holes in the walls and pump in liquid nitrogen, hoping he doesn't freeze the plumbing. The hormone guys.. well they just want to pump in sleeping gas. Knowing all too well that in a couple of years the cockroaches will wake up pissed off and hungry. Chemotherapy boys will offer to poison everything in the kitchen and will promise you that if you eat the poison they will give you an antidote which may or may not work. The alternative medicine people will give you a bit of eye of newt and toe of frog plus a couple of other exotic ingredients and hope to hell that chases the cockroaches away. And then there are the watchful waiting folks, some of whom are not real sure that there was a cockroach and some of whom think it may have been just an old bachelor 'roach with no kids that they saw. Now if there is only the one cockroach the odds are good - you can get rid of the infestation. However if the little bugger laid eggs elsewhere or more of his buddies are lurking about in other places... well you get the picture. In any case, life in the kitchen will never be the same. One of these days an exterminator will come along who just swats the cockroach and puts out poison bait for the others!! You'll never know he was there. Until then good luck on your choice of exterminators, and low or non-existent PSA's to you all. And remember - Don't take life too seriously. You won't get out of it alive anyway!
----------------
A New Day This is the beginning of a new day. I have been given this day to use as I will. I can waste it or use it for good. What I do today is important because I'm exchanging a day of my life for it. When tomorrow comes, this day will be gone forever, leaving in its place whatever I have traded for it. I pledge to myself that it shall be... gain, not loss; good, not evil; success, not failure... in order that I shall not regret the price I paid for this day. (Source unknown)
----------------- Jelly Bean Theory on Life This theory on life was originally told to Mac by a Marine flight instructor when he was but a Marine student aviator. It was then the theory on flying but somehow it seems just as applicable to life in general: On the day you are born you are given a large bowl. In this bowl is placed several bags of white jelly beans, a handful of grey jelly beans and one black jelly bean. The white jelly beans represent good days, the grey jelly beans represent close calls, an accident, a serious illness etc. but you live. The black jelly bean represents the day you buy the farm. Now every day you have to blindly take out a jelly bean. If you take stupid risks such as smoking or drinking and driving and so on you grab a handful of jelly beans instead of just one. Some people grab the black jelly bean early on and die at a young age. Some folks use up every bean in the bowl, but eventually, we all have to get to the black jelly bean. All of us diagnosed with prostate cancer have grabbed a few grey jelly beans - let's hope there are a lot more white ones left, and the black one is buried at the bottom. ---------------
Back to top What Cancer Cannot Do Cancer is so limited . . . It cannot cripple love, It cannot shatter hope, It cannot corrode faith, It cannot destroy peace, It cannot kill friendship, It cannot suppress memories, It cannot silence courage, It cannot invade the soul, It cannot steal eternal life, It cannot conquer the spirit. (Source unknown)
------------------- Trading Places on ADT There'a nothing like a course of Hormone Therapy (ADT - Androgen Deprivation Therapy) to help you understand your womenfolk - so says Neutrond-Electrond Bob. Here are some of the things you'll share: Weight gain - watch it happening Hot flashes - how many today, dear? I've got a headache - guys never liked hearing that one, now we say it You become concerned about your breast size - enlargement for men You have doctors probing some pretty strange places You enjoy watching non-violent t.v. movies and gal flicks more You start talking to strangers about your medical conditions or looks You start hanging out with larger numbers of the same sex to talk (support groups) Not tonight dear - not any night now, dear! You enjoy going to see your doctor and talking on the phone more You know why women have to work out even when they are in shape You don't ask for beer, but ask where your supplements are. You start eating some weird foods and avoiding your favorites You start listening closely to your wife You know more about your doctor than your brother-in-law You learn how to spell medical words and their meanings Your friends and family wonder if you have been abducted by aliens
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FAQ on HMOs Q. What does HMO stand for? A. This is actually a variation of the phrase, "HEY MOE." Its roots go back to a concept pioneered by Moe of the Three Stooges, who discovered that a patient could be made to forget about the pain in his foot if he was poked hard enough in the eyes. Q. I just joined an HMO. How difficult will it be to choose the doctor I want? A. Just slightly more difficult than choosing your parents. Your insurer will provide you with a book listing all the doctors in the plan. These doctors basically fall into two categories-those who are no longer accepting new patients, and those who will see you but are no longer participating in the plan. But don't worry; the remaining doctor who is still in the plan and accepting new patients has an office just a half-day's drive away, and a diploma from a Third World country. Q. Do all diagnostic procedures require pre-certification? A. No. Only those you need. Q. Can I get coverage for my preexisting conditions? A. Certainly, as long as they don't require any treatment. Q. What happens if I want to try alternative forms of medicine? A. You'll need to find alternative forms of payment. Q. My pharmacy plan only covers generic drugs, but I need the name brand. I tried the Generic Medication, but it gave me a stomach ache. What should I do? A. Poke yourself in the eye. Q. What if I'm away from home and I get sick? A. You really shouldn't do that. Q. I think I need to see a specialist, but my doctor insists he can handle my problem. Can a general practitioner really perform a heart transplant right in his office? A. Hard to say, but considering that all you're risking is the $20 co-payment, there's no harm in giving him a shot at it. Q. Will health care be different in the next century? A. No. But if you call right now, you might get an appointment by then.
---------------------- SNIPPETS OF WISDOM Cures Extract from "Flowers In Winter" by Sir William Keys. His specialist is talking about his remission - which he refers to as a 'cure': " . my personal observation, common to all 'cures' has been the unshakeable determination of the patient to show just how wrong (and usually how insensitive and apparently uncaring) those bloody doctors could be. The patients make up their minds to beat cancer and also to beat the doctor who implied that they couldn't." ---------- All Members should know these! Three Things Never trust a fart. Never pass by a urinal. Never waste an erection (Even if you are on your own!) (Mac) --------------- Willet Whitmore, one of the deans of modern urology, once said: "Many more men die with prostate cancer that of it. Growing old is invariably fatal. Prostate cancer is only sometimes so." An Observation You can shake and dance Like you've got ants!! But the last few drops, Go in your pants!! (Mac) -------------------
The Dash I read of a Pastor who stood to speak at the funeral of his friend. He referred to the dates on her tombstone, from the beginning - to the end. He noted that first came the date of her birth - and spoke of the following date with tears, but he said what mattered most of all was - the dash between those years. For that dash represents all the time that she spent alive on earth, and now only those who loved her, know what that little line is worth. For it matters not, how much we own; the cars, the house, the cash. What matters is how we live and love and how we spend.our dash. So think about this long and hard, are there things you'd like to change? For you never know how much time is left. You could be at "dash mid-range". If we could just slow down enough to consider what's true and real, and always try to understand the way other people feel. And be less quick to anger, and show appreciation more and love the people in our lives like we've never loved before. If we treat each other with respect, and more often wear a smile, remembering that this special dash might only last a little while. So, when your Eulogy is being read, with your life's actions to rehash. would you be pleased with the things they say - about how you spent your dash? Reproduced - from an Anonymous Author.
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Without Hope The dawn is coloring the sky as I write this. Soon it will be light enough to see the whales in the bay beneath my window. They are calving and mating. At sunrise, my dogs and I will take our daily walk up the mountains behind the house. The spring flowers - what we call fynbos - are beginning to blossom and there is color everywhere. Later in the day, or perhaps tomorrow, my wife and I will drive up the coast to see the wild flowers which are all in full bloom and creating a kaleidoscope of the bush land. Everything is wonderful and it is great to be alive. But . there is a cloud no bigger than a man's hand on the horizon. This week I must get my PSA count checked again. The thought is not a happy one. If it has stayed down, we cannot celebrate our good fortune. We will merely know that the beast still appears to be caged. But we do not know for sure. Many people are only too pleased to tell us about others who have metastases with low PSA counts. Bad news has many companions. Perhaps too the doctors are right who have said that the regimen I am following is merely masking the spread. But we'll maybe only know the answer to that in twenty years time, with a bit of luck. And if the count is up? What to do then? Is it a blip in the chart? Is it the genuine thing? The wait for the next test will be awful if this one is up. But that is what we have to live with, all of us who have been diagnosed with this disease, no matter what action we have taken. Always looking over our shoulders to see if the beast is out and after us. It's hard on all of us, and even more so on the lonely road of holistic medicine I have chosen. Without hope, it would be impossible, I think. (Posting on a message board)
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Ric Masten - Poet/Philospher/PCa Survivor WORDS & ONE-LINERS
BILATERAL ORCHIDECTOMY never could look up words in the dictionary in a high school assignment writing an autobiography I described my self as a unique person scribbled in the margin the teacher's correction fairly chortled "unique" not "eunuch" how could he have known that one day I would actually become a misspelling backed against the wall by advanced prostate cancer I chose the operation over the enormous ongoing expense of chemical castration "No big deal." I thought at the time what's the difference they both add up to the same thing but in the movies these days during the hot gratuitous sex scene I yawn.bored... wishing they'd quit dicking around and get on with the plot and on TV the buxom cuties that titillate around the products certainly aren't selling me anything I realize now that although it would probably kill them the guys who went chemical still have an option I don't philosophically I'm the same person but biologically I 'm like the picture puzzle our family traditionally puts together over the holidays the French impressionist rendition of a flower shop interior in all it's bright colorful confusion this season I didn't work the puzzle quite as enthusiastically... and for good reason this year I know pieces are missing where the orchids used to be "So?" says I to myself "You're still here to smell the roses!" ©Ric Masten
knowledge is power - growing old is mandatory - growing wise is optional
MrBill - 27 Apr 2004 18:45 GMT Great post!! The roaches were great.
Sometimes I get confused here: "unique" not "eunuch"
Where am I? I am still here to smell the flowers........ MrBill
> And the jelly beans! > Tom > hi folks - i ran across this website and wanted to share it with you. > kim has put together a mixture of things to make us laugh and to make us > think. i definitely loved the cockroach theory........ ButtercupsDad@dog.net - 27 Apr 2004 13:17 GMT Very good Curtis. Thanks for sharing.
> hi folks - i ran across this website and wanted to share it with you. >kim has put together a mixture of things to make us laugh and to make us [quoted text clipped - 328 lines] > >knowledge is power - growing old is mandatory - growing wise is optional
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