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Old Jinglebollocks - 23 Jul 2009 21:13 GMT
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1201556/DR-DANNY-PENMAN-I-support-vivi
section-really-kill-4million-animals.html


NO MATTER HOW MANY TIMES YOU RECYCLE THE FAKE DEBATE IN THE DAILY
MAIL, AND NO MATTER HOW MANY TIMES THE USELESS, IMBECILE "ANIMAL
RIGHTISTS" FROM SHAC / ALF MUDDY THE ISSUE AND DIVERT PUBLIC AWARENESS
FROM SCIENTIFIC TRUTH, STILL YOU WILL NEVER GET PAST PAGES NINE TO
ELEVEN OF "IMPERATRICE NUDA / SLAUGHTER OF THE INNOCENT" BY HANS
RUESCH, AS QUOTED BELOW:

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The following is extracted from pages 9 to 11 of "Imperatrice Nuda/
Slaughter of the Innocent" by Hans Ruesch, 1976:

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"The Great Drug Deception" by Dr Ralph Adam Fine (Stein and Day, New
York, 1972) is just one of the many books published in the last decade
on the subject of dangerous and often lethal drugs, but it achieved no
practical results. Health authorities, as well as the public,
stubbornly refused to take cognizance of the fact that all those drugs
had been okayed and marketed after having been proved safe for
animals. Actually it is unfair to single out just a few dangerous
drugs, since there are thousands of them.

Of course the fallacy works both ways, precluding the acceptance of
useful drugs.

There is the great example of penicillin - if we want to consider this
a useful drug.

Its discoverers said they were fortunate. No guinea pigs were
available for the toxicity tests, so they used mice instead.

Penicillin kills guinea pigs.

But the same guinea pigs can safely eat strychnine,

one of the deadliest poisons for humans

- but not for monkeys.

Certain wild berries are deadly for human beings,

but birds thrive on them.

A dose of belladona that would kill a man

is harmless for rabbits and goats.

Calomelan doesn't influence the secretion of bile in dogs,
but can treble it in man.

The use of digitalis - the main remedy for cardiac patients and the
saviour of countless lives the world over -

was retarded for a long time because it was fiRst tested on dogs,

in which it dangerously raises blood pressure.

And chloroform is so toxic to dogs that for many years this valuable
anesthetic was
not employed on patients.

On the other hand a dose of opium that would kill a man

is harmless to dogs and chickens.

Datura and henbane are poison for man,

but food for the snail.

The mushroom *amanita phalloides*, a small dose of which can wipe out
a whole human family,

is consumed without ill effects by the rabbit, one of the most common
laboratory animals.

A porcupine can eat in one lump without discomfort as much opium as a
human addict smokes in two weeks, and wash it down with enough prussic
acid to poison a regiment of soldiers.

The sheep can swallow enormous quantities of arsenic,

once the murderers' favourite poison.

Potassium cyanide, deadly for us,

is harmless for the owl,

but one of our common field pumpkins can put a horse into a serious
state of agitation.

Morphine, which calms and anesthetizes man,
causes maniacal excitement in cats and mice,

but dogs can stand doses up to 20 times higher than man.

On the other hand, our sweet almonds can kill foxes and chickens,

and our common parsley is poison to parrots...........

There are enough such instances to fill a book - all proving that it
would be difficult to find a more absurd and less scientific method of
medical research (than animal experimentation).

Moreover, the anguish and sufferings of the animals, deprived of their
natural habitat or habitual surroundings, terrorized by what they see
in the laboratories and the brutalities they are subjected to, alter
their mental balance and organic reactions to such an extent that ANY
result is a priori
valueless.

The laboratory animal is a monster, made so by the experimenters.
Physically and mentally it has very little in common with a normal
animal, and much less with man.

As even Claude Bernard (1813-1878), founder of the modern
vivisectionist method, wrote in his Physiologie Operatoire (page
152):

"The experimental animal is never in a normal state. The normal state
is merely a supposition, an assumption."

......................
......................

Somebody launched the idea of breeding strains of bacteriologically
sterile laboratory animals...................

One delusion spawned another. Consistent failure made certain of those
misguided scientists realize - some haven't realized it yet - that
organic "material" raised under such abnormal conditions differs more
than ever from normal organisms.
Animals so raised never develop the natural defence mechanism, the so-
called immunological reaction, which is a salient characteristic of
every living organism. So it would be difficult to devise a less
reliable experimental material.
Besides, animals are by nature immune to most human infections -
diphtheria, thyphus, scarlet fever, German measles, smallpox, cholera,
yellow fever, leprosy and bubonic plague - while other infections,
such as TB and various septicemias, take up different forms in
animals. So the claim that through animals we can learn to control
human diseases could seem a sign of madness if we didn't know that it
is just a pretext for carrying on "experiments" which, however
dangerously misleading for medical science, are either intimately
satisfying for those who execute them, or highly lucrative.

The Swiss nation illustrates well to what extent the profit motive
promotes vivisection: with a population of less than 6 million,
Switzerland uses up annually many times as many laboratory animals as
does all of Soviet Russia with its 250 million inhabitants, but where
there is no money in the making of medicines.
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-End of extract from IMPERATRICE NUDA / "Slaughter of the Innocent" by
Hans Ruesch, pages 9-11, dated 1976.
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Animal Experimentation: the Hidden Cause of Environmental Pollution
http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dddp6bt4_174g5kg85dn
Special Care - 24 Jul 2009 00:56 GMT
I don't know who that guy is, Dan Penman..... is he a ruling group
stooge or an idiot?

We had to face that question back in the 1980s, when we first
confronted the FAKE DEBATE on vivisection.

When confronted with a person making strange statements about our
collective suicide via "animal tested" [=UNTESTED] poisons, and the
fact that our civilisation will soon collapse and our planet will soon
be lifeless because of the avalanche of "animal tested" [=UNTESTED]
poisons.....

............ we sometimes had to ask the question:

"Is he a fool or an infiltrator?"

In some cases the answer was easy.

Gill Langley, Richard Ryder, Kathryn Reynolds..... and some others....
were clearly stooges of the ruling group.....

But it's not clear cut.

Gill Langley, the FAKE ANTIVIVISECTIONIST, was openly on the payroll
of Ciba-Geigy the pharmaceutical giant (probably now trading under a
different name). Kathryn Reynolds was clearly a trainee of Gill
Langley.

But in other cases we could not be completely sure, so we had to say
that we don't know if this person is a fool or an infiltrator.

That applies to that guy, Danny Penman..... I do not know whether
Danny is a fool or an infiltrator, but he is one or the other....
unless you want to avoid that issue and run back into the FAKE DEBATE.

BUT HERE IS THE REAL DEBATE:
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Animal Experimentation: the Hidden Cause of Environmental Pollution
http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dddp6bt4_174g5kg85dn
Special Care - 24 Jul 2009 09:05 GMT
There is no joy for me in playing this role.

The ruling group are delighted with what I have shown.

By posting these messages and getting no useful response from you,
I've shown the ruling group that there will be no effective resistance
to the New World Order etc.

I've confirmed for them that you bums accept the biggest lie anyone
could devise, the lie that vivisection benefits us when in fact
vivisection is the greatest disaster to befall the human race in the
past 2,700 years, and is responsible for far more human deaths than
the 50 million killed in world war two.... they can publish the
opposite of that in the media, and 99.9% of you will believe it.

Your attitude is:
"but I read it in the newspaper so it must be true; but he's a
scientist, so he must be right."

Pages 9 to 11 of Imeratrice Nuda show the scientists are either fools
or ruling group stooges, but you will never see that.

So I have done a big favour for the ruling group, by "testing the
temperature" for them with these posts. They've got you. They've fixed
you good with the media brainwash.
Oh, there's more to it than that. There are archetypal psychological
forces at work in you, as explained elsewhere...

But mainly, I have delighted the ruling group by "testing" you with
these posts, and confirming that there will be no resistance to the
New World Order, except a few useless bums waving placards and
screaming "police state" when a cop pushes them.

Oh just get on with it, morons.
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"Collective Mental Illness"
http://groups.google.com/group/us.legal/msg/16b63d07dd3f4d6b
Old Bill - 31 Jul 2009 18:58 GMT
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1201556/DR-DANNY-PENMAN-I-support-vivi
section-really-kill-4million-animals.html


                   [Edited for brevity]

| NO MATTER HOW MANY TIMES YOU RECYCLE THE FAKE DEBATE IN THE DAILY
| MAIL, AND NO MATTER HOW MANY TIMES THE USELESS, IMBECILE "ANIMAL
[quoted text clipped - 41 lines]
| Hans Ruesch, pages 9-11, dated 1976.
| ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

           Yes, Jinglebollocks,'Slaughter of the Innocent' is a very
important
           book. I have my own copy.

           Another passage you could have (should have?) quoted is on  page
361
           so please allow me to do so now:

                                           [quote]

                  In December 1970, the longest criminal trial on record
                  in Germany's judicial history  - 2 1/2 years, 283 days in
court-
                  ended with the acquittal of Chemie Grunenthal after a
long
                  line of medical authorities had testified  in court that
the
                  generally accepted  animal tests could never be
conclusive
                   for human beings.

                                           [end quote]

            I have one request to make - please do not shout. If you met
            someone in the street with cancer you would not shout at them,
            would  you ? If for no better reason than you might end up
            with no bollocks to jingle.

            Take care, I wish you well.

               Old Bill.
Special Care - 31 Jul 2009 22:02 GMT
>              I have one request to make - please do not shout. If you met
>              someone in the street with cancer you would not shout at them,
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
>                 Old Bill.

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The Futura edition of "Slaughter of the Innocent / Imperatrice Nuda"
first appeared in Britain in 1979.

Thirty years of politeness have taken us only in a backward
direction.

And now you tell me "please do not shout."

In theory, people who have cancer should be receptive to the
information that fake "animal tests" [=non-tests] are the immediate
cause of cancer and that the first step toward ending the cancer
epidemic is to abolish all these fake "animal tests" [=non-tests].
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The Only Sane Response to the Vivisection Swindle (1990):
http://www.nzavs.org.nz/mobilise/27/12.html
 
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