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J - 11 Feb 2004 11:54 GMT
Well Elsie's probably had her ileostomy surgery,
We've not heard from David stepfather was diagnosed with a GBM4
Nor an update from Emily about her mother and how she's doing after the
surgery
Then there's Glo and her sister with Lymphoma
And Anita with her papillary cancer and DFSP
bones with Stage 2 colon cancer (surgically removed)
Douglas who was having rib pain after the thoracentesis
fred b promised us a summary and hopefully an update (mother stomach
cancer)
George and his mother in law (in Quebec)
Jim Beaver wife Stage IV Non-small-cell lung cancer
marc and his wife with GBM (and no conventional treatment)
Nan whose father was diagnosed with Pancreas cancer in Jan. 2003
Richard whose mother might have squamous ("Quavous")
Socks. have you gone on a trip?
Tanada, whose husband has Anaplastic Ogliodendroglioma
Terrence Kearns and Will (the dude) cholangiocarcinoma (bile duct)
Marie (TY) sister in law - return of osteosarcoma
Ron and his mother in law (CNS lymphoma) - what direction they're now
seeking (re-evaluation or palliation)
Maggie who was helping an online lupus friend whose husband had Stage 4
(IIRC) lung cancer
and so many others whom I've lost track of...

I think it's time for a roll call in case it draws some of you out.
If so, reply to my post (remove everything I type here), put your type
and stage of cancer in the subject line and update us to how you are
faring.

Tell us what you've been up to, work, trips, new births in the family,
moves, coping, laughs, worries, vents, challenges overcome.  Obviously
this call is for carers also, so Alayne, let's hear about the biker's
club and the girls.

If it draws out posters from way back, who are long term survivors, or
breast cancer patients from their newsgroup, all the better,

but please don't mention "altie cures/books/websites" or I'll have to
ask the newsgroup to filter you out. (Give me a break folks, please and
just let me read for a bit).

I can't promise that I can reply to everyone, but I care and perhaps
others (reading) are waiting for updates also from you.  So come on out
and post.
J
Joe-46er - 11 Feb 2004 13:46 GMT
Cool. Somebody cares enough to keep up on us. I'm still hangin'
--Joe S.

>Well Elsie's probably had her ileostomy surgery,
>>snip snip<< haps
>others (reading) are waiting for updates also from you.  So come on out
>and post.
>J

_________________________________

"Take a little 5FU, leucovorin and oxaliplatin for thy stomach's sake." -- 1 Timothy 5:23 (adapted)
Dawn Morley - 13 Feb 2004 16:39 GMT
> Cool. Somebody cares enough to keep up on us. I'm still hangin'
> --Joe S.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> >and post.
> >J

I am still lurking, not had much to post lately. Dads had to go on stronger
chemo, thats about all i can tell You. He still doesnt tell me or the family
anything. He doesnt ask the doc anything, just waits for them to call Him.
He said he doesnt want to know. He tells his pals at his bowles club more
than us.
J You are a lovely person and so kind to always think of others. Love and
big hugs to you always. Thanks.

> _________________________________
>
> "Take a little 5FU, leucovorin and oxaliplatin for thy stomach's sake." -- 1 Timothy 5:23 (adapted)
J - 13 Feb 2004 21:39 GMT
> I am still lurking, not had much to post lately. Dads had to go on stronger
> chemo, thats about all i can tell You. He still doesnt tell me or the family
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> J You are a lovely person and so kind to always think of others. Love and
> big hugs to you always. Thanks.

Thank you so much Dawn, I love hugs.

I'm so glad you joined the roll call and updated us on your Dad.
I'm glad your Dad's hanging in there and getting on with his activities.
That's the ticket (as they say) !
Hope you are doing well too.
Hugs back ..
J
J - 13 Feb 2004 21:16 GMT
> Cool. Somebody cares enough to keep up on us.

I do

> I'm still hangin'

Good :-)
J
the dude - 11 Feb 2004 14:32 GMT
Will (the dude) cholangiocarcinoma (bile duct)

I'm still here. I'm doing fine.

Recently the biliary tube that is suppose to bypass the tumour in my
bile duct got obstructed and according to my Doctor, My liver started
to fail. I got bloated with fluid in my belly and had to spend a week
in the Hospital to get well.

It was kinda a blessing in disguise. My biliary tube was due to be
changed that week, a CT scan that was scheduled later on this month
was done, an Endoscopy of my stomach was also scheduled this month to
check on veins that may be growing in my stomach or esphogus was done.
The results of the tests: CT scan still doesn't see the tumour in my
bile duct, there are no veins growing in my stomach and changing the
tube made me better and the bile count in my blood has dramatically
lowered. I still have some fluid in my belly but I got some water
pills from my Doctor to help with that problem.

I'm feeling better now than I have in a long time.

Will
J - 12 Feb 2004 22:01 GMT
>  Will (the dude) cholangiocarcinoma (bile duct)
>
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
>
> Will

Hi Will, well I smiled when I saw your name pop on the screen.

I'm sorry to hear you had to spend some time in hospital but happy to hear
they've got the symptos under control now.

It's so good to hear that there's no trace now of the tumour.

Keep on keeping...whatever you're doing it's working.

Please keep in touch, I miss hearing from you.

Best,
J
Alayne - 11 Feb 2004 14:49 GMT
> Tell us what you've been up to, work, trips, new births in the family,
> moves, coping, laughs, worries, vents, challenges overcome.  Obviously
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>
> Well, what can I say really!  I am afraid that it is winter here in good
ole Blighty and therefore non condusive to riding the ole motorbikes
actually, although I still ride her to/from work each day.  I am in the
middle of organising this years Rally, booking bands/caterers etc.  Last
year we raised an amazing ?9K and this all went to the Wood Green Animal
Shelter, as this event was held only a week after Tony's funeral I sure hope
that we made him proud.

People tend to have a real discrimination when it comes to Bikers, but they
are so much the salt of the earth and who knows what I would have been like
without their care/support over recent months.  I think that many were
astounded that I carried on with the Rally so soon after Tony's death, but
it was such an excellent distraction it kept me going too.

As for my girls, Kelly and Nikki - what is there to say really.  They are
perfectly happy contented little darlings (she says with her fingers crossed
behind her back!!)  We still mention Tony an awful lot and he is still so
much part of our lives, but lives have continued.  Shortly after Tony passed
away Kelly (age 11) commented that I had had a "personality change" because
I was so much nicer (I think a lot less stressed was more of the deal).  I
wonder if we fully take on board the affect that a relative with cancer has
on our children, we are very concerned how they are afterwards and people
are so skeptical of me when I say that they are 100% okay, but that is also
because their lives have become less stressed too.

This is going to sound just so corny - but I do feel that my life has become
somewhat richer as a result of Tony's illness.  I think that you come to
realise just how precious life is and what ridiculous every day priorities
we used to have.  I am certainly more mellow and feel more empathy towards
others in the similar situations, I hug my mates so much more these days,
it's almost embarassing!

Anyways I'll sign off before I ramble on forever more!!

Hugs to each and everyone of you here.

Alayne
L Bucciarelli - 12 Feb 2004 00:14 GMT
> This is going to sound just so corny - but I do feel that my life has become
> somewhat richer as a result of Tony's illness.  I think that you come to
> realise just how precious life is and what ridiculous every day priorities
> we used to have.

You know, when I was going through the nightmare of being diagnosed and
having to deal with my cancer, looking back at a "normal" life was rather
surreal.  I think that the experience has truly allowed me to appreciate
every little moment in life.

I hope that I've been able to communicate that rather complex feeling to my
kids so that it does not take something this earthshattering to make them
appreciative.

...lisa
Sharon - 11 Feb 2004 15:37 GMT
Because I have recently started posting again......

Adenoid Cystic Carcinoma of the Breast, dx'd 1998.  Two lumpectomies and a
partial mastectomy, lymph node dissection, plastic surgery.  My margins were
still 'questionable', so I chose to do 37 radiation treatments.  The down
side was that the radiation diminished my right lung capacity by 15% because
of collateral damage.  The up side is I am alive and kickin' with no
recurrence.

I'll trade the downside, for the upside.
--
Take Care,  Sharon Lane
http://www.rare-cancer.org
Alayne - 11 Feb 2004 17:40 GMT
> Because I have recently started posting again......
>
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
> Smart choice Sharon - well done!!  It's better to have lost a bit than to
have lot it all eh.

Hugs

Alayne

I am also so sorry about your kitty too (((((sharon))))
J - 13 Feb 2004 21:10 GMT
> Because I have recently started posting again......
>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> I'll trade the downside, for the upside.

Welcome back Sharon,
J
J - 14 Feb 2004 21:15 GMT
> Because I have recently started posting again......
>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> I'll trade the downside, for the upside.

Hi Sharon,
Look what I just accidentally found
http://www.orgsites.com/ca/acco/ Adenoid Cystic Carcinoma Organization
CLICK HERE TO SUBSCRIBE TO OUR (FREE) EMAIL INFORMATION GROUP where you can
obtain and share information about Adenoid Cystic Carcinoma such as research,
clinical trials, treatment options, and cancer facilities with over 450 members.

Just letting you know in case you want to touch base with other members.
Take care,
J
Sharon - 15 Feb 2004 00:23 GMT
> Hi Sharon,
> obtain and share information about Adenoid Cystic Carcinoma such as research,
> clinical trials, treatment options, and cancer facilities with over 450 members

Thanks J, but I spend most of my days talking to rare cancer patients.  Many
of them have adenoid cystic.  I maintain a database of AdCC patients:
http://www.rare-cancer.org/acc/database.html

Many have entered their information on this database so that they can help
other newly diagnosed patients.  It is a good group of people.
--
Take Care,  Sharon Lane
http://www.rare-cancer.org
Pia - 11 Feb 2004 17:53 GMT
My close friend was diagnosed with lung cancer a few days ago. She
lives in Germany, so I'm not exactly sure of the name or stage. But
it's inoperable, though it has not spread. I don't know what to do or
what to expect. I haven't been able to get hold of her through emails
or phone calls, though I spoke with her husband yesterday, who seems
upbeat.

Very Sad,
Pia
Alayne - 11 Feb 2004 18:38 GMT
> My close friend was diagnosed with lung cancer a few days ago. She
> lives in Germany, so I'm not exactly sure of the name or stage. But
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> Very Sad,
> Pia

Hi Pia,

Welcome to the NG, I am so sorry to hear your news.  You will find a lot of
sympathetic people here and a lot of helpful advice - feel free to ask any
questions that you may have.

(Hugs)

Alayne
Emily - 11 Feb 2004 19:19 GMT
MarsRover@example.net said...
> an update from Emily about her mother and how she's doing after the
> surgery

Hi all!

I was rather hoping that having introduced her to the NG mother
would provide her own updates, but... *sigh*.  Anyway, mother's
doing fine.  She's progressed from sludgy pureed food to "I'll mash
it and see how it goes"; however much to her distress she still
can't cope with the skins from capsicums (capsica?) or potatoes.  
She still has no feeling on one side of her face, and is complaining
that her smile is 'lopsided'.  Well, she's probably right, but it's
so slight that it's barely noticeable, and indeed wouldn't be unless
you were to look very carefully.  What's more, it doesn't make the
slightest bit of difference really to the way she looks.  From the
PoV of the cancer, it looks as though the tumour has been removed in
its entirety, although she hasn't seen her own consultant recently.  
At her last appointment however, she was told that she could wait a
bit longer between that and the next one, which she took as good
news.  Fingers and wotnots crossed...
JDWAT@webtv.net - 11 Feb 2004 21:38 GMT
Hello,

I wrote awhile back about my online friend, Jenn, who's husband has
stage IV colon cancer & mets to the liver.  It is a small cell lung
cancer that has invaded the colon.

I tried unsuccessfully to bring her to the group.  I have since learned
that she's very medically inclined & has gone through another cancer
battle with her husband, so I no longer mention her coming here.  I just
try & support her as I would want to be supported.

Her husband has been through 1 complete cycle & 2/3 of another cycle of
chemo.  He's spent more time in the hospital than anywhere else
combined, I believe.  The chemo consists of Cisplatin the first day &
vp-16 for the following 2 days.  He is home now & feeling better after a
hospital stay & blood transfusion.  Tomorrow they go for the dreaded CT
scan.  We thought they'd give them more time, but the doctor's are
anxious.  The results will come in Monday for them.  

Everything is up in the air & the air is very tense.  His future now
relies on what that test shows.  To continue the chemo or to live out
the rest of his life...

I lurk here every so often.  Especially, when I'm at a loss of words.  I
know what I wanna say to her, but sometimes words just won't come.  Both
of my parents passed due to cancer & my Mother's was also stage IV colon
with mets to the liver.  There's been a few times that I wanted to post,
but I have hesitated because I don't know how I will handle the emotions
just yet.  Getting emotional is good, don't take that wrong.  I would be
emotional no matter what.  Let's just say I'm working my way back. : )

Best Wishes,
Maggie
J - 12 Feb 2004 21:55 GMT
> I wrote awhile back about my online friend, Jenn, who's husband has
> stage IV colon cancer & mets to the liver.  It is a small cell lung
[quoted text clipped - 27 lines]
> Best Wishes,
> Maggie

Hello Maggie, Working your way back is a good thing.
I know it's takes a while to mourn our parents and loved ones. We each do it
differently in our own time.

I'm so glad Jenn has a good online support person.  I believe I've posted
most of the resources you would require, if and when certain events occur.

If there's bad news and it seems too much for you (or she has no one else
locally), please encourage her to post here.
Meantime, bless you for being there for Jenn

Big hugs to you.
J
Elsie - 11 Feb 2004 21:55 GMT
> Well Elsie's probably had her ileostomy surgery,

Yup, had it on 9/8/03.

Elsie
Stage 3 colon cancer

It's been an interesting ride since then.  I had 4 rounds of CPT11 and
Xeloda over 4 months after that.  Again, I never lost my hair.  I also
didn't get sick until the very last chemo.  I don't know what happened
on that one, but I ended up throwing up DURING the chemo session - and
it took me a few days to get back to my usual self again.  That was
sometime in January.

The next step will be the ileostomy reversal on March 8th.  I was told
to expect another 4-5 days in the hospital and about a 3 week
recovery.  I just talked to my physician's assistant and she told me
that I needed to go in for a gastrographic enema on the 2nd to make
sure that there are no leaks in that nifty little j-pouch they created
before they actually reconnect me.  I guess that does sound like a
good idea....

Other than that, I've been cleaning house like a mad woman.  I have
all this junk in my basement that I just don't need to be lugging
around with me any more.  Things that make me angry at my Ex-husband,
things that are 3 sizes to small AND have stains and holes in them.
Stuff that's just not worth it...  I have plans to turn the "junk
room" that's my basement into a nice hangout for me and the kids.
Once the stuff is out of there, I'll call one of the waterproofing
companies and get that started.  I can't wait...

The kids are doing well, too.  I believe that they have just about
forgotten about their Mom having cancer.  There are no outward signs
of it, and we're just living life as we always have.

I guess that's all the news for right now.

Elsie
J - 12 Feb 2004 21:50 GMT
> > Well Elsie's probably had her ileostomy surgery,
>
[quoted text clipped - 34 lines]
>
> Elsie

Hello Elsie, I'm so pleased to hear from you.
I always "hold my breath" when I hear about surgery and can't wait for an update..hoping
all goes well.
I did read on the breast cancer newsgroup (I think) of one person who threw up during
her last chemo session.
So you're not alone.  I think someone posted taking anticipatory anti-nausea meds first
thing in the morning next time.
(but that should be checked with the doctors, because i'm not one)

Anger is an energy (I hear) but please don't overdo on that basement.
I surely do understand cleaning out and fixing . A fresh new hangout sounds like a good
thing.
I have heard of those coatings. Sounds pretty easy. Make sure your basement windows are
open though (in case)
I look forward to your basement project updates, when you have time.

( ( ( Elsie ) ) )
J
Socks the Whitehouse Cat - 11 Feb 2004 22:42 GMT
Someday in the distant future, archeologists digging thru the ruins of
alt.support.cancer  will discover that J <MarsRover@example.net> had this
to say on 11 Feb 2004:

> Socks. have you gone on a trip?

I'm fine. just havent had much to say lately.

I have a trip at the end of the month.  Always wanted to go to spring
training

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J - 12 Feb 2004 10:28 GMT
> Someday in the distant future, archeologists digging thru the ruins of
> alt.support.cancer  will discover that J <MarsRover@example.net> had this
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> I have a trip at the end of the month.  Always wanted to go to spring
> training

Hey ! Hey ! Baseball ?
I'm envious. :-)
Please tell us before you go, Socks, otherwise I'll worry if there's a long
break between your posts.
Okay, so that's my problem, but just hearing "spring training" boosted  my
spirits, so I'll be there with you (in spirit of course).
J
Socks the Whitehouse Cat - 13 Feb 2004 05:51 GMT
Someday in the distant future, archeologists digging thru the ruins of
alt.support.cancer  will discover that J <mARBLEsTEPS@anon.anon> had
this to say on 12 Feb 2004:

> Hey ! Hey ! Baseball ?
> I'm envious. :-)
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>  my spirits, so I'll be there with you (in spirit of course).
> J

well - gone for this weekend to New Mexico.  Big trip is the end of the
month, so you wont hear from me for the first two weeks of March.

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J - 18 Feb 2004 09:23 GMT
> well - gone for this weekend to New Mexico.  Big trip is the end of the
> month, so you wont hear from me for the first two weeks of March.

Hope it was a good weekend Socks. I just heard that it was a "long weekend"
for the US.
Keep in touch,
Best,
J
Douglas - 12 Feb 2004 00:25 GMT
J <MarsRover@example.net> on 11 Feb 2004 suggested:

> Douglas who was having rib pain after the thoracentesis

       Was called two weeks ago at 8 in the morning requesting I come in
for a CT and full blood workup the next day.  They found tumor cells in
the fluid they took out with the thoracentesis, which is really bad
news, and not a good sign.  This week they had me get a bone and brain
scan.

       I'm waiting for results, and I've noticed that since the
Thoracentesis I've been getting pain in a lot of places that I didn't
have it before, and increased in places that I did. I also get random
pain which is really obnoxious. So, I don't know what's going on, or
what I'll be doing next.

       Had it not been for that call, I'd be in Mexico City at this
moment, but the docs strongly suggested I hang out until they figure out
what they want to do.  And since they have gotten me this far, I'm
deferring to their judgment, though I'd rather be in Mexico.

       Also, since all the testing started again, I have been extremely
fatigued, and feel tired all the time.  One of the reasons my postings
have diminished.  I'm just too tired to even read most of the postings,
much less add to them.

       I do very much appreciate you remembering me, and asking about us!  
It's a very nice, and wonderful thing to be remembered.

       I hope everyone else is doing better than I, and that we all get
through what's currently ailing us, and back to the true joys of life!  
*HUGS* to anyone that wants one (or more)!

--Douglas
J - 12 Feb 2004 09:28 GMT
> J <MarsRover@example.net> on 11 Feb 2004 suggested:
>
[quoted text clipped - 28 lines]
> through what's currently ailing us, and back to the true joys of life!
> *HUGS* to anyone that wants one (or more)!

I'm "stuck", Douglas (for a response).
I want them to give you something for pain and fatigue so you can go have a
good time in Mexico and then come back and face their news and (treatment)
plans but I can't seem to think clearly at the moment (and/or it's too
complicated).....antibiotic ???
Keep in touch as best you can, I'll be thinking of you.
All I can offer is big hugs to you, Douglas
*HUGS*
J-grasping at straws to get you to Mexico
J - 18 Feb 2004 09:53 GMT
>         Also, since all the testing started again, I have been extremely
> fatigued, and feel tired all the time.  One of the reasons my postings
> have diminished.  I'm just too tired to even read most of the postings,
> much less add to them.

Too tired Douglas?
Thinking of you.
Special hugs
J
J - 02 Mar 2004 19:44 GMT
> J <MarsRover@example.net> on 11 Feb 2004 suggested:
>
[quoted text clipped - 30 lines]
>
> --Douglas

Special hugs to you,
J
Alayne - 02 Mar 2004 21:17 GMT
> > J <MarsRover@example.net> on 11 Feb 2004 suggested:
> >
[quoted text clipped - 33 lines]
> Special hugs to you,
> J

I return *Hugs* to you too Douglas

Alayne
Trish Knight - 12 Feb 2004 14:46 GMT
<snip>
> I can't promise that I can reply to everyone, but I care and perhaps
> others (reading) are waiting for updates also from you.  So come on out
> and post.
> J
Hello all,
I came here in 2002, after one of my best friends received the news that the
breast cancer she was in remission from, had returned and metastasized to her
liver.  That was February 26, 2002.  She opted not to have any chemo or
radiation this time, having been through it all before.  She died on September
11, 2002, and I'm still here.  Having lost Stacey, and others since her death
(some who frequented this NG), has given me a much deeper sense of compassion.

Love,
Trish
Pia - 12 Feb 2004 21:02 GMT
I found out a few days ago that one of my close friends has lung
cancer. They aren't telling her exactly what type or what stage it's
in. All we know is that it's about the size of a tennis ball,
currently inoperable, and that they're doing chemo right now to reduce
it to a hopefully operable size. She is very upbeat and certain she
will beat it. I am trying to be a good friend to her, but am not sure
how, exactly. I lost my father to a brain tumor 14 years ago, so all
this CT scanning and chemo is very sadly familiar to me.

Thank you,
Pia
J - 12 Feb 2004 21:41 GMT
> I found out a few days ago that one of my close friends has lung
> cancer. They aren't telling her exactly what type or what stage it's
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> Thank you,
> Pia

Hello Pia, Thank you for joining the roll call.
I am very sorry to hear about your friend. She's in Germany eh?

Some of what your friend may have to deal with is here
http://www.cancer.gov/cancer_information/coping/
Perhaps some of that would be helpful to her. Many of the side effects of
treatment will be taken care of by her doctors.

I don't understand who is not telling her the type and stage. Seems to me
she has a right to know, so she can make her own choices.

I would say just be there as a caring listener (by e-mail or phone or
physically).
If she's busy or unwell, she may not be able to commicate on a regular
basis.
But once in a while, send her a quick note or e-mail to know that you are
keeping her in mind during her battle.

Hope somehow this helps, And I'm sorry about the loss of your father. We
miss them forever, don't we?
( ( ( Pia ) ) )
J
J - 13 Feb 2004 21:18 GMT
> Hello all,
> I came here in 2002, after one of my best friends received the news that the
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> 11, 2002, and I'm still here.  Having lost Stacey, and others since her death
> (some who frequented this NG), has given me a much deeper sense of compassion.

( ( ( Trish ) ) )
Luv ya, wish you had more time for us.
Take care of you and yours,
Hugs
J
Trish Knight - 14 Feb 2004 17:37 GMT
> > Hello all,
> > I came here in 2002, after one of my best friends received the news that the
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> Hugs
> J
I wish I had more time, too, J.  My job keeps me very busy -- I am currently
working 7 days a week, just to keep up with it all.  I haven't had a day off
since January 1.  I'm getting tired!  I'm also the director of a non-profit
organization which also keeps me busy; however, that position is one I don't
have to keep a rigid schedule with, and the only time it gets harried is when
it's fundraiser time.

Because of my *job* -- I'm gone a lot, and then I don't have much time on the
computer.  I wrote a proposal for another full time position in my department,
so I'm hoping that will be accepted.  It's going through the channels right
now, so hopefully soon I'll know if I can hire someone.  Everyone please keep
your fingers crossed for me!!

Love,
Trish
Emily - 15 Feb 2004 00:46 GMT
trishknight1@theobviousyahoo.com said...
> Everyone please keep
> your fingers crossed for me!!

aHev oyu nay diae ohw idffcilut ti si ot ytep iwht rcsoesd ifgnres?
J - 15 Feb 2004 01:50 GMT
> trishknight1@theobviousyahoo.com said...
> > Everyone please keep
> > your fingers crossed for me!!
>
> aHev oyu nay diae ohw idffcilut ti si ot ytep iwht rcsoesd ifgnres?

m'I  tgryni
Trish Knight - 15 Feb 2004 04:16 GMT
> > trishknight1@theobviousyahoo.com said...
> > > Everyone please keep
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> m'I  tgryni
LOL
Emily - 15 Feb 2004 19:24 GMT
Morphology@example.org said...

> > trishknight1@theobviousyahoo.com said...
> > > Everyone please keep
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> m'I  tgryni

So'm I - very.  Or so me mum says, anyway :-)
Trish Knight - 15 Feb 2004 04:16 GMT
> trishknight1@theobviousyahoo.com said...
> > Everyone please keep
> > your fingers crossed for me!!
>
> aHev oyu nay diae ohw idffcilut ti si ot ytep iwht rcsoesd ifgnres?

heeheehee
Mike Radcliffe - 17 Feb 2004 01:20 GMT
> trishknight1@theobviousyahoo.com said...
> > Everyone please keep
> > your fingers crossed for me!!
>
> aHev oyu nay diae ohw idffcilut ti si ot ytep iwht rcsoesd ifgnres?

I od won !
KIME
Trish Knight - 17 Feb 2004 02:57 GMT
> > trishknight1@theobviousyahoo.com said...
> > > Everyone please keep
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> I od won !
> KIME
uoy sugy rea oto nufny.....
Birdie - 13 Feb 2004 02:36 GMT
I'm new here. I have been in remission from Stabe 1b Cervical to Uterine
cancer.

Now I am off in search of advice, recomendations, help and council for a very
dear friend who was fired due to his cancer.

I feel powerless, and more and more I hear that the terminally ill have
virtually no rights. So hear I am, some time lurker, some time poster, all the
time Crier because I am at a loss of what to do and how to help.

I had surgery and immunotherapy and went into remission, my friend has a rare
from of throat cancer that spread into his nodes, mouth (he now only has 6
teeth) and face! It's all surgery, chemo and guesstimations for him because so
few people have this type of cancer. So I don't even know to say one way or
another that he has a chance to make it or he doesnt.

All my support groups when I had my cancer active would say "Don't ask why me,
ask WHY NOT me"

To heck with that, I want to know, why me? Why us? *sigh*

Bless you all and I hope healing and comfort can be ours this year.
WFBE Flint MI FIRED Tony "Magoo" Mirusso for having cancer!
Leave an E-Message or voice mail for Bruce Johnston @
http://www.b95.fm/contactus.asp or Call (810) 720-9510 Ext: *825
Tell WFBE to give Magoo his severance!
CANCER IS A DISEASE, NOT A CRIME
Socks the Whitehouse Cat - 13 Feb 2004 05:56 GMT
Someday in the distant future, archeologists digging thru the ruins of
alt.support.cancer  will discover that abirdinsnowsings@aol.comnot2me
(Birdie) had this to say on 12 Feb 2004:

> Bless you all and I hope healing and comfort can be ours this year.
> WFBE Flint MI FIRED Tony "Magoo" Mirusso for having cancer!
> Leave an E-Message or voice mail for Bruce Johnston @
> http://www.b95.fm/contactus.asp or Call (810) 720-9510 Ext: *825
> Tell WFBE to give Magoo his severance!
> CANCER IS A DISEASE, NOT A CRIME

I sent my comments in.  their form is broken - it wouldnt take an email
address with a + in it.

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Birdie - 13 Feb 2004 18:42 GMT
Well, thank yor for trying anyway. Some how I think I have lost this battle for
him. There are a million battles in the War against cancer, your health, your
emotions, your benefits, your family, acceptance.

I remember when I was leaving work (Thank God we could live on one income) to
recover and enjoy life, a client called and asked why I was leaving and I told
him I had Uterine cancer and I wanted to spend time with my family and in
trying to recover since I didn't know what would happen to me at that time. The
Client said "Uck, you know how you get cancers down there? From social
diseases!" How nice of him.

So 4 years later, and in remission I can look back on that and not have it
sting SO much. Now I look at my dear friend who was chosen to be stricken with
a 1 in who knows how many case of rare throat cancer, and his employer said
"Your probably smoked and drank too much". That was not the case at all!

Only himself, his immune system, his chemo, his surgeries and his doctors can
win the battle against cancer. I thought maybe I could help him win against
these greedy sick b**tards who fired him, but I don't know.

I just look at all of us, survivor, sufferer, loved ones and friends, and I see
a LOT of bravery.

WFBE Flint MI FIRED Tony "Magoo" Mirusso for having cancer!
Leave an E-Message or voice mail for Bruce Johnston @
http://www.b95.fm/contactus.asp or Call (810) 720-9510 Ext: *825
Tell WFBE to give Magoo his severance!
CANCER IS A DISEASE, NOT A CRIME
Sharon - 13 Feb 2004 15:23 GMT
"Birdie" <abirdinsnowsings@aol.comnot2me> wrote in message
> To heck with that, I want to know, why me? Why us? *sigh*

I know 'why me'.  I smoked for 37 years.  I did a whole bunch of illegal and
physically questionable street drugs during my hippie days.  And I drank,
abusively, for 23 years.  Others, I am sure, have a genetic link.  And then
there are others that lived a wholesome lifestyle, took care of their
bodies, yet still got cancer; like Lance Armstrong.  I can not imagine what
it felt like for Lance to get that diagnosis.  He must have been in total
shock.  At least I know that I, most likely, got cancer as a result of my
own bad habits (addictions, in my case).  I didn't have to question any of
it.  That saved me a lot of time and negative emotions.  It let me get on
with the task at hand, getting my body better and more able to fight.
--
Take Care,  Sharon Lane
http://www.rare-cancer.org
Joe-46er - 17 Feb 2004 19:33 GMT
>"Birdie" <abirdinsnowsings@aol.comnot2me> wrote in message
>> To heck with that, I want to know, why me? Why us? *sigh*
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>it.  That saved me a lot of time and negative emotions.  It let me get on
>with the task at hand, getting my body better and more able to fight.

Don't forget the garbage that gets pumped into the atmosphere and
injected into our food. But we allow it because it gives us a more
pleasurable life or cheaper apples or more advanced nuclear weapons
than the Ruskies. WE are the culprits and WE are the victims. Pity the
children. Why THEM?  Answer: US.

_________________________________

"Take a little 5FU, leucovorin and oxaliplatin for thy stomach's sake." -- 1 Timothy 5:23 (adapted)
J - 13 Feb 2004 21:47 GMT
> I'm new here. I have been in remission from Stabe 1b Cervical to Uterine
> cancer.
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>
> To heck with that, I want to know, why me? Why us? *sigh*

I'm glad you joined the roll call Birdie,
Just be there and do what you can do, be a good listener, hugs if you can.
Good to hear you are in remissiion. :-)
J
Holden - 14 Feb 2004 11:00 GMT
<snip>

>I can't promise that I can reply to everyone, but I care and perhaps
>others (reading) are waiting for updates also from you.  So come on out
>and post.
>J

Hi J & group,

I've been a lurker for a few months now and am enjoying my stay.

I've got Stage 4 rectal cancer with mets to liver & lungs for some 4+
years now.  For the most part I have failed all conventional
treatments: 5FU, CPT11/Camptosar, FUDR w/ hepatic artery implant pump
+ zeloda, & Oxaliplatin.  I was not eligible for the erbitux trial due
to my negative EGFR.  I am currently on Iressa and holding steady for
a couple of months now based on recent CT - hooray!

I have a wife, son 11, and daughter 14 and am trying to enjoy every
day with them to the fullest.

Best regards,
Holden
Trish Knight - 14 Feb 2004 17:28 GMT
> <snip>
>
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
> Best regards,
> Holden

Hi Holden,
I'm sorry you're here but at the same time, if you have to be here, then this
is a good place to be.  You'll find lots of information, support and care
here, along with lots of hugs.  Glad you un-lurked.

((((( Holden & family)))))

Best regards,
Trish
Holden - 15 Feb 2004 04:41 GMT
<snip history etc>

>Hi Holden,
>I'm sorry you're here but at the same time, if you have to be here, then this
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>Best regards,
>Trish

Hi Trish,

Thank you for the welcome.  I will plan to hang around and post and
maybe help as I can.  I'm feeling pretty good now compared to some
times in the past.  Best wishes.

Regards,
Holden
J - 14 Feb 2004 19:40 GMT
> Hi J & group,
>
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> Best regards,
> Holden

Hello Holden,
Warm welcome to alt.support.cancer

I'm sorry to hear about your cancer.
For a "treatment failure", it sounds like you are giving it a good run.
Still here and holding after four years sounds very positive.
I do not wish to negate your feelings and concerns given that your cancer
has not responded fully to the previous treatments.  On the other hand,
others have been where you've been (in treatments and various surgeries) and
we've lost them much earlier, sadly.
So hold onto hope that you can keep holding it back.
I look forward to more posts from you.  Vent, rant, jump in on other threads
if you feel the desire.

If we can be of any assist with resources or searches, some of us can look
things up or put our "thinking caps" on for you.

Best wishes and keep in touch and let us know how it's going.
J
Holden - 15 Feb 2004 04:41 GMT
>> Hi J & group,
>>
[quoted text clipped - 32 lines]
>Best wishes and keep in touch and let us know how it's going.
>J

Hi J,

Thanks for the positive words and welcome.  I plan to keep fighting
for as long as I can.  I just hope that my options don't run out as it
seems they keep trying to do.  I just heard about a relatively new
radiation therapy ("microsphere") that I need to check up on.  I've
got a pretty good size liver tumor - about 8 x 6 cm - that I'd love to
be rid of - even partially.

Yes, I and I believe my docs are really surprised that things have
worked out as well as they have for me.  A quick review of some
statistics would not give much hope for such a lengthy survival.
Thank you for being here and for doing what you do.

Best wishes,
Holden
J - 15 Feb 2004 12:01 GMT
> Hi J,
>
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> Best wishes,
> Holden

Hello Holden,

I think that is chemoembolization
http://www.cancercenter.com/conventional-cancer-treatment/chemoembolization.cfm
Chemotherapy, mixed with a microsphere is injected directly through the catheter
into this artery and into the tumor. When blood flow in the artery stops due to
the blockage from the microsphere, the catheter is then removed. This procedure
provides a high concentration of chemotherapy into the tumor and provides, what
is usually, a temporary cut off of the arterial blood supply to the tumor.

There are many possible side effects from chemoembolization, since it involves
both chemotherapy and the possible destruction of normal liver tissue as well as
tumor. Most people experience some pain, fever, loss of appetite and fatigue. The
overall risk of serious complication is related to your general underlying
health, as well as the overall function of their liver.

Have you looked at "Dash" posts and some of what her husband had -
chemoembolization and then alcohol?
On the one hand his was a different type of liver tumour (primary, slower
growing, if I recall), larger than yours and I think he's younger and probably in
better overall health. He's still in hospital recovering from surgery, so it will
take some time for me to draw a conclusion. I do want him healthy with a proper
functioning liver.

Best,
J
Holden - 15 Feb 2004 20:03 GMT
>> Hi J,
>>
[quoted text clipped - 39 lines]
>Best,
>J

Hi J,

I've started poking around a little bit more about this microsphere
radiation therapy and have found a few links on the net.  I think it
is similar to what you mention above although it is for delivering
radiation rather than chemo.  There is a short overview here:

http://www.wakeoncology.com/DesktopDefault.aspx?tabid=118

I believe this type of treatment may be know as Selective Internal
Radiation Therapy (SIRT).  I've still got a lot of reading to do to
find out what this is all about.

Regards,
Holden
J - 17 Feb 2004 14:11 GMT
> >> Thanks for the positive words and welcome.  I plan to keep fighting
> >> for as long as I can.  I just hope that my options don't run out as it
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> http://www.wakeoncology.com/DesktopDefault.aspx?tabid=118

The procedure uses two brands of microspheres:

Theraspheres®, which are made by MDS Nordion, and
SIR –Spheres®, which are made by SirTex Medical.

The microspheres, which have been irradiated in a nuclear reactor, are delivered by
catheter through the hepatic artery to the arterial section of the liver. The hepatic
artery is the major artery supplying blood to the liver. The section of the liver fed
by the hepatic artery is, essentially, the input side of the liver, and the section
most exposed to cancer causing agents.

A catheter is used to deliver the microspheres, which become permanently implanted in
the tumor and stay there slowly releasing radiation over a period of about 14 days.
The radiation in each bead is quite powerful, but does not have a wide range of
exposure. In fact, the distance the radiation travels from each bead is very short.
This helps to reduce radiation exposure to the healthy sections of the liver.

The procedure is conducted at WakeMed.

> I believe this type of treatment may be know as Selective Internal
> Radiation Therapy (SIRT).  I've still got a lot of reading to do to
> find out what this is all about.

http://www.mc.vanderbilt.edu/reporter/?ID=2360
The spheres are implanted into the liver directly via a hepatic artery catheter. The
radiolabeled spheres are trapped in the small blood vessels of the tumors but
generally spare the uninvolved liver tissue. (Courtesy of Sirtex)

by Jon Coomer
Vanderbilt University Medical Center is the only institution in Tennessee, and one of
only eight centers in the United States, offering a new radiation treatment for
inoperable liver tumors.

Selective Internal Radiation Therapy (SIRT) targets a very high radiation dose to
tumors within the liver, regardless of their cell of origin, number, size or location.
The procedure uses biocompatible radioactive microspheres (SIR-Spheres®) that contain
yttrium-90 and emit high energy beta radiation.

“The liver doesn’t tolerate external beam radiation in sufficient doses to affect
tumor without damaging the remaining good liver,” said Dr. C. Wright Pinson, H.
William Scott Jr. Professor of Surgery and chair of the department. “These spheres
emit radiation for a short distance, less than a centimeter. If you can cluster
radiation right around the tumor, the radiation exposure at the tumor site compared to
normal liver is favorable.”

The spheres are implanted using a catheter placed in the artery feeding the liver and
travel via the blood stream, where the spheres are targeted to the tumors within the
liver. The spheres are trapped in the small blood vessels of the tumor. Doctors do not
have to identify the number or location of tumors, since the spheres target the
cancerous growth in the liver. Once trapped within the tumor, the spheres destroy the
tumor, without affecting most of the normal liver tissue.

Many patients experience a post-procedural fever that starts immediately after
implantation of the spheres and can last from a few days to a week. The fever is
usually nocturnal and is likely related to the embolic effect of the microspheres and
the acute radiation effects on the tumor. Some patients experience significant
abdominal pain immediately after the procedure and may need pain relief with narcotic
analgesia, but the pain generally subsides within an hour. Some patients will
experience nausea that may require anti-emetic medication. '

Gotta go, I wonder what Steph thinks about this vs external beam..??
J
J - 18 Feb 2004 11:16 GMT
> I've started poking around a little bit more about this microsphere
> radiation therapy and have found a few links on the net.  I think it
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> Radiation Therapy (SIRT).  I've still got a lot of reading to do to
> find out what this is all about.

How's the reading going Holden?
I'm a little unclear (after I read yours and what I posted) as to how they can keep
the sphires from getting out into the rest of the body.  I guess it's explained here
http://www.eng.nsf.gov/engnews/1999/fighting_cancer.htm
After the radioactivity in the microspheres disappears, they remain harmlessly in the
liver.

The glass microspheres are incredibly small, about one-third the diameter of a strand
of hair.

Yet, the five-to-ten million used in each injection are still too large to pass
through the liver, which acts as a filter to prevent them from traveling into other
parts of the body.[]

I wonder if you can find anyone at www.acor.org (e-mail lists)  example:
http://listserv.acor.org/archives/liver-onc.html
who have had these procedures and collect a list of the pros and cons. It's the first
I recall hearing of it here.(yet it's been around for a while based on the 1999 date
above)

http://www.nci.nih.gov/cancerinfo/pdq/treatment/adult-primary-liver/healthprofes
sional/


Chemotherapy (regional infusion of the liver): Chemotherapeutic agents may be infused
with a subcutaneous portal or implantable pump via a catheter placed in the hepatic
artery. Older studies that use standard agents have demonstrated responses in 15% to
30% of such cases, but newer agents and techniques (that is, biodegradable
microspheres) have been evaluated in pilot trials,[9-11] as has regional chemotherapy
with external-beam radiation therapy.[12] Many patients are not candidates for these
approaches, which often require surgical intervention."

Keep in touch, Let us know how your research is going and how you are doing.
J
Holden - 20 Feb 2004 17:48 GMT
<snip>

>How's the reading going Holden?

Reading is going fairly well.  There's a pretty good amount of info
available on the web.  The websites for the two microsphere products
mentioned in your previous message are informative.  The Australian
MSAC has an interesting report "Selective Internal Radiation Therapy
for Hepatic Metastases using SIR-Spheres" at
http://www.health.gov.au/msac/pdfs/msac1034.pdf .

>I'm a little unclear (after I read yours and what I posted) as to how they can keep
>the sphires from getting out into the rest of the body.  I guess it's explained here
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>through the liver, which acts as a filter to prevent them from traveling into other
>parts of the body.[]

As it turns out, 100% of the spheres may not remain in the liver.
Some may pass on to the lungs or other places where they can cause
problems.  This is explained in the MSAC report and on the Sirtex
site.

>I wonder if you can find anyone at www.acor.org (e-mail lists)  example:
>http://listserv.acor.org/archives/liver-onc.html
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>with external-beam radiation therapy.[12] Many patients are not candidates for these
>approaches, which often require surgical intervention."

I looked around on acor.org's COLON and LIVER-ONC lists and found some
discussion about this treatment.  Very little of it was first-hand
accounts though - generally more questions than answers.  It may be
worthwhile to start a thread here to see if anyone has any experience
to share.  As far as pros and cons, the Sirtex site has an "Unwanted
Effects" section that looked to be pretty thorough on the "con" side.

>Keep in touch, Let us know how your research is going and how you are doing.

I'm not due for an oncologist visit for about 3 weeks but I definitely
will inquire about this treatment.  A few weeks later I will be due
for a CT to see if the Iressa is still holding.  Other potentially
good news is that erbitux has been approved in the past week or so -
so that may be another option for me at some point.

I will keep in touch.  Best wishes,

Holden
J - 21 Feb 2004 10:39 GMT
> Reading is going fairly well.  There's a pretty good amount of info
> available on the web.  The websites for the two microsphere products
> mentioned in your previous message are informative.  The Australian
> MSAC has an interesting report "Selective Internal Radiation Therapy
> for Hepatic Metastases using SIR-Spheres" at
> http://www.health.gov.au/msac/pdfs/msac1034.pdf .

Thanks.
Due to computer limitations I can't usually read pdfs larger than one or two pages w/o all
h*!! breaking loose on my computer and having to "crash" out of all my software and
searches. (I might try later )
Perhaps if you search for some clinical trials ?
one website said "study status" for your type of cancer.
I only ran a quick search

> As it turns out, 100% of the spheres may not remain in the liver.
> Some may pass on to the lungs or other places where they can cause
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> good news is that erbitux has been approved in the past week or so -
> so that may be another option for me at some point.

Hi Holden,
Perhaps if the Iressa is still holding and you are not symptomatic,
you'll not need to pull the "big gun" of Erbitux out yet?

I look forward to your updates
J
Joe-46er - 17 Feb 2004 19:51 GMT
Hi Holden, Joe here. I'm  at where you were at 3 & a half years ago,
except my cancer was a little higher up than yours. You have survived
longer than most, keying off what my oncs have told me about my CRC.
My heart goes out to you though, because you must be younger than I am
(57) according to your kids' ages. Our 2 kids are grown up but we have
a delightful granddaughter 2 and a half who is the love of our lives.
I just want to live long enough so that she remembers me and not have
to depend on videos to show her who grandad was.
I want you to know that your posting has given me some more
encouragement to keep at it which is something I tend to lack. One
thing I've discovered is that one day in my current condition is worth
5 "in my previous so-called life." I really do enjoy the important
things in life now to the point where its a 1 to 5 ratio. So in a
sense our lives - as much as we have left of them - are longer than we
think. I am a praying person. I will be praying that your life becomes
longer than outward circumstance would indicate. Sounds like the good
news has already started.

>> Hi J & group,
>>
[quoted text clipped - 32 lines]
>Best wishes and keep in touch and let us know how it's going.
>J

_________________________________

"Take a little 5FU, leucovorin and oxaliplatin for thy stomach's sake." -- 1 Timothy 5:23 (adapted)
Holden - 18 Feb 2004 12:40 GMT
>Hi Holden, Joe here. I'm  at where you were at 3 & a half years ago,
>except my cancer was a little higher up than yours. You have survived
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>longer than outward circumstance would indicate. Sounds like the good
>news has already started.

<snip>

Hi Joe,

I'm very sorry to hear that I've got more company with this disease.
I am glad to hear though that sharing some of my experience has given
you encouragement.  

I did get a rather early start on this path a few years back at 38 yo
- and as you'd expect it was quite a shock.  My kids have kept me
going along with immeasurable support from a beautiful, caring wife.
I think you are right to stay focused on family as much as you can.

Thank you for including me in your prayers and I will do the same for
you here.

Best wishes,
Holden
Elsie - 21 Feb 2004 10:57 GMT
> > Hi J & group,
> >
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> > Best regards,
> > Holden

Hi Holden,

I'm Elsie - I've got stage 3 rectal cancer.  It's probably pretty
strange, but I found myself being excited that there's somebody else
out there posting who has rectal cancer (nothing against you colon
cancer patients out there, but rectal cancer patient are my special
buddies :-) )

Guessing at your age (just like Joe) from the ages of your children,
you must actually be close in age to me - I'm 38.  My kids are 10
(son) and 13 (daughter).  I had a husband at one time, but he's an Ex
now....  He's been helpful at times, but I he's a depressed
hypochondriac and I am developing a very low tolerance for his
whining.

I've done the radiation/Xeloda for 5 weeks (radiation twice a day) in
the summer of 2003, followed by surgery (removal of rectum and sigmoid
colon but NOT the anus, coloanal j-pouch with a temp ileostomy) and
more chemo CPT11/Xeloda for 4 months (4 IV CPT11 treatments each
followed by 2 weeks of Xeloda and a 2 week break).  I'm getting ready
to go back in for the reversal on March 8th.

I'm getting a little nervous about the trip to the hospital right
about now.  March 8th seemed SO far away, but it's really in a little
over 2 weeks.  I have SO many things I wanted to get done before I
went back in the hospital, but I guess it's just like in September
when I went in the last time.  I got done what I could, whatever
didn't get done was still around when I got back home (and back at
work for that matter).

At any rate, just wanted to say "Hi" and wish you luck with your
treatments.  And now I'll try to go back to bed.... (it's not quite 6
am on a Saturday, and I've been up - not being able to go back to
sleep since 4 am...)

Elsie
Holden - 23 Feb 2004 19:33 GMT
<snip>

>Hi Holden,
>
[quoted text clipped - 32 lines]
>
>Elsie

Hi Elsie,

It's nice to meet you even though it is under these unfortunate
circumstances.  I am 42 now and it sounds like we have very similar
sets of kids.  I'm sorry to hear that your husband isn't around to
provide support.  I hope you have someone else close that can help
out.

Your treatment so far sounds pretty familiar although we've had
different surgical outcomes.  It wasn't originally planned, but I
ended up getting a colostomy.  I wish I could have gotten something
like the j-pouch but it just wasn't in the cards.

I understand your nervousness about your upcoming surgery.  I've had a
few myself and so far it hasn't gotten any easier.  I know it's
probably not easy, but try to relax as much as you can and get plenty
of rest.  I wish you the very best of luck.

Take care of yourself and hope to hear from you again soon.

Regards,
Holden
J - 08 Mar 2004 09:57 GMT
> I'm Elsie - I've got stage 3 rectal cancer.  It's probably pretty
> strange, but I found myself being excited that there's somebody else
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
> didn't get done was still around when I got back home (and back at
> work for that matter).

Holden's post just reminded me about your surgery, Elsie.
Best wishes,
J
Tanada - 15 Feb 2004 23:27 GMT
> I think it's time for a roll call in case it draws some of you out.
> If so, reply to my post (remove everything I type here), put your type
> and stage of cancer in the subject line and update us to how you are
> faring.

Hi all.  We're doing fine, more or less.  My computer died, or so I
thought, so I gave it to my daughter and was given another by some
friends of ours.  It turned out to be a bad mouse, bad, bad, mouse.  
However, I'm using my daughter's computer to type this, as I cannot
convince the one I was given that I'm permitted to go online using
Earthlink, as the previous owners also had earthlink and security sealed
the d*mn thing, somehow.  If we don't get a weather event tomorrow
(possible snow and ice) one of them is supposed to come over and unstick
it.  Bad Mouse, Bad, bad, bad mouse.

We were in a car accident at the end of January.  We were solidly rear
ended by a car at the scene of another accident.  The driver of the
other car was watching the accident and didn't see that all of the other
vehicles in front of him, including our van, was stopped.  We were all
wearing seat belts, and are fine, except that the accident exacerbated a
previous back injury (just more spasms) and I was in pain for a few
days.  We are getting a new bumper out of this and I had to go pick out
some new bumper stickers.  I was rather attached to the one I had that
said "Psychiatry is expensive, popping bubble wrap is cheap...you
choose."  I couldn't find another one like it, so I settled for one that
says "Caution: Weird Load."  Who says we're normal here at chez Shirk?  

Anyway the occupants of the other car were not wearing their seat belts,
and ended up with mild concussions.  They got off a lot easier than it
could have been.  The passenger hit the windshield with the top of her
head and spider webbed the whole passenger side.  I still am having
nightmares about what could have happened to her.

I'm still working, Rob is not.  He can get educational benefits, I
cannot until the army and Veteran's administration decide that his brain
cancer is a permanent 100% impairment.  Sigh.  I never knew that brain
cancer could be a temporary or partial impairment.  Oh well.  He comes
up for review this coming October.  If the army and VA decide that he's
impaired enough, I'll be able to get educational benefits.  

Our son, Mike is going through training at the Job Corps center at
Kitterel North Carolina, for a future medical career.  He says that he
wants to become an Optometrist.  I hope he makes it.  The center is
working with him to possibly make it happen.  Mike loves the training
he's already getting and seems settled in, though homesick on a constant
basis.  We've told him that we can only bring him home once a month, as
we want him to get used to being on his own.  It's hard though.

We still have nine cats living here.  They are still sending purrs to
those who are sick, depressed, tired, and in need of their help.  If you
want to read more about them or want to share stories about cats or
other animals (we're not picky) of your own, visit us at
rec.pets.cats.anecdotes.  We barbecue trolls, and dislike spammers and
flamers, so it's usually a very friendly area to be.  

Love to all, and we're thinking healing thoughts and wishes for you all,

Pam and Rob S.


> Tell us what you've been up to, work, trips, new births in the family,
> moves, coping, laughs, worries, vents, challenges overcome.  Obviously
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> If it draws out posters from way back, who are long term survivors, or
> breast cancer patients from their newsgroup, all the better,
Emily - 15 Feb 2004 23:43 GMT
tanada@NOSPAMearthlink.net said...
>  I was rather attached to the one I had that
> said "Psychiatry is expensive, popping bubble wrap is cheap...you
> choose."  I couldn't find another one like it, so I settled for one that
> says "Caution: Weird Load."  

ROFL!!

Tell you what is rather fun - put a load of bubble wrap on the floor
and take your shoes and socks/stockings off.  Now wander barefoot
across the bubbles, back and forth, until the feet are thoroughly
massaged and there aren't any bubbles left.  Wonderful therapy! :-)
J - 17 Feb 2004 09:05 GMT
> Hi all.  We're doing fine, more or less.  My computer died, or so I
> thought, so I gave it to my daughter and was given another by some
[quoted text clipped - 49 lines]
>
> Pam and Rob S.

Gad ! Where to start. I do hope you recover soon from the crash injuries.
Hopefully your son will settle in soon and not feel so homesick.
It is a difficult adjustment for all.
Keeping fingers crossed for you with the VA and the computer, hope these get
sorted out soon.
Thanks for replying to the Roll Call

( ( ( Pam and Rob S and kitties ) ) )

J - going looking for bubble wrap :-)
wolfgang - 17 Feb 2004 12:25 GMT
Reporting as requested:

Presently our patient is taking Artemisin as a 'next to last ditch'
measure - largely as at least a placebo to hang hopes upon with at
least a little evidence that it might do _some_ good.  This is
predominantly a measure so that psychologically the patient and some
of those around her can avoid addressing the issue that this is
terminal.

Next phase plans involve radiotherapy, but they are waiting until she
"gets worse".

My research tends to support the concept that "getting worse" means
basically stroke symptoms with increasing frequency and severity.  The
steroids have retracted the brain as far as it can go - when the tumor
grow to meet it, there will be little that can be done.  The family
seems to have difficulty breaking the paradigm of Aspirin or a Cold
Capsule --- they seem to fall back into thinking that the steroids are
making her better.

I have tried to judiciously dispense reality so that (a) important
opportunities are not missed due to ignorance and (b) the sudden stop
at the end won't be so traumatic.  Now I'm in the phase where those
who could listen and understand already have, those who can't or won't
will get different councelling later when they need it.

I used the model of the Yin Yang --- I explained that there needs to
be a balance between hope and fact.  If you have only hope and no
fact, fear fills the void.  If you have fact and no hope, same result.
I hope some of it sank in.

People still come out of the woodwork suggesting that this could be
cured by avoiding MSG or eating lots of broccoli.

Patient gets MRI results Thursday.  With that reading I will have
three post-chemotherapy data points and can begin to plot a curve.
Projection is not for death, but for return to condition demonstrated
when we first discovered the cancer.  I project a total of 150% tumor
growth will replicate that condition based on the CAT scans, but this
is a "best guess" because the tumor exists in 3 space and my data is
in 2 space.

Other than that, the circus surrounding the patient now includes angry
calls from the township regarding having her water service lead
repaired --- her boyfriend was 'taking care of it'.  He saved about
$70 over the bid I had contracted for doing the job 3 weeks ago, then
had to pay more because his bid didn't include the permit.  Whatever.
Have to let him drop the ball so the patient can see his input
shouldn't be trusted with her medical needs and decisions.

You really have to watch because people tend to take whatever
experience they may have had and project it onto others...

Advice to anyone with a terminal friend or family member - BE NICE to
the rest of the family and friends - they are the ones who will be
there to help you through the loss (or not).

Gotta go to class --

Out.

Ron
J - 18 Feb 2004 10:56 GMT
> Reporting as requested:
>
[quoted text clipped - 48 lines]
> You really have to watch because people tend to take whatever
> experience they may have had and project it onto others...

Yes, I'm guilty of that

> Advice to anyone with a terminal friend or family member - BE NICE to
> the rest of the family and friends - they are the ones who will be
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> Ron

Thanks for answering the call, I'll watch for your updates.
J
emc - 19 Feb 2004 09:36 GMT
> I think it's time for a roll call in case it draws some of you out.
> If so, reply to my post (remove everything I type here), put your type
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
> and post.
> J

I didn't post very much, am in remission from ovarian cancer stage 3.  Had
surgery, chemo, now nearly two years in remission.

I sometimes look at the newsgroup, but when there is a death I stop reading
for a while.  Get very weepy. I liked to read the interesting and sometimes
very funny posters, like the Cat in the Hat, and funny Martin, Bookbabe and
the Lowly Labrat.

I sometimes think, I looked after myself, ate all the right foods, never
smoked or drank alcohol, and I'm the one who has broken many bones, had lots
of bad accidents and got cancer.  My husband (our golden wedding next year!)
eats junk food, smoked for many years (stopped ten years ago), likes a
drink, and he's as fit as a fiddle.  So now I eat whatever I want and take
every opportunity to be with friends and family. We live in a beautiful part
of England and make the most of our lovely countryside.  Life is for living!

All the best to everyone
Eve
J - 22 Feb 2004 11:54 GMT
Where and how are you?  I've been missing hearing from you and thinking of
you, since before Christmas.
I've been trying to find your name and your posts and it was Elsie's recent
post that reminded me.

At last word you were possibly going to have to stop work and were maybe
thinking of doing some travelling.
If you (or someone who knows you) is reading this, please have Cathy check
in.

( ( ( Cathy Ross ) ) )
J
 
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