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There'll always be an England........"The rising number of female     doctors is "bad for medicine",

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turtletrot1 - 05 Apr 2008 22:16 GMT
Rise in women doctors 'worrying'
Female GP
General practice is a popular choice for female doctors

The rising number of female doctors is "bad for medicine", and
universities should recruit more men, a GP warns.

Writing in the British Medical Journal, Dr Brian McKinstry said female
doctors were more likely to work part-time, leading to staffing
problems.

Women, who now outnumber men in medical schools, were also less likely
to take part in training or research, he said.

But opponents said the best candidates should be chosen regardless of
gender and flexible working policies improved.

Professor Jane Dacre, vice dean of biomedical sciences at University
College London, said rather than worrying about having too many female
doctors, there should be more focus on ensuring equal opportunities
for medics throughout their careers.

I think medical school numbers should reflect society generally and we
need a more even split between men and women
Dr Brian McKinstry

"When I was at medical school, there was a quota and they were only
allowed 30% women.

"There is quite a developing evidence base that female doctors are not
inferior to male doctors, but in fact are doing better in terms of
getting into medical school and in their exams."

But she said women doctors were still under-represented in some
specialities, such as surgery, and at senior levels in the profession.

The best candidates needed to be chosen for medical school whatever
their sex but flexible hours, on-site child care and part-time
training options were needed to ensure women doctors had equal
opportunities in their career, she said.

Discrimination

Women now outnumber men in most UK medical schools by three to two.

This has reversed many years of male dominance in medicine and unfair
discrimination against women, said Dr McKinstry, who is also a
researcher at the University of Edinburgh.

But the recent large rise in female medical graduates was worrying,
particularly in more "family friendly" areas of medicine such as
general practice, he added.

Many older full-time male GPs are shortly due to retire leaving behind
a workforce of younger women, many of whom work part-time.

"I'm not meaning to be critical - women have a difficult time of it
because they are left with the bulk of childcare.

"The main thing we need is a revolution in the attitude of society
towards childcare and who has the responsibility for childcare.

"But I think medical school numbers should reflect society generally
and we need a more even split between men and women."

In Scotland where he works, figures show that women GPs contribute
about 60% of the activity of their male counterparts in training,
teaching, research and committee work, he said.

Selection concern

A separate piece in the BMJ pointed out costs associated with poor
performance, litigation, re-education, and rehabilitation were
consistently higher for male doctors.

Dr Steve Field, chair of the Royal College of GPs, said he welcomed
more women in the profession.

But he added that there were concerns over the fact that girls tended
to do better in the interview process for medical school at age 18.

"I'm concerned about how we select into medical school as it seems to
be more difficult for boys post A-level.

"I'm all for graduate entry, people who have already done a degree, as
they come from more diverse backgrounds, they are more mature, and you
also get more men.
Steph - 06 Apr 2008 05:52 GMT
> Rise in women doctors 'worrying'

It's exactly the same story in Canada.
xela56 - 06 Apr 2008 11:59 GMT
>> Rise in women doctors 'worrying'
>
> It's exactly the same story in Canada.

Time for men to do equal time helping out in the home, assisting in child
rearing and houekeeping. Male docs have time to be pilots, play video games,
golfing, and boating, If woman had time to have free time to unwind they
would not be so burned out in medicine.

Instead of worrying about women in medicine, society should give women the
support so they can be as productive as men. Plus, men want to go into  the
more lucurative types of medicine such as surgery and  radiology where they
work less and play more.

In my area the retiring primary care doctors are men, and the only
replacements they can find are women.
Steph - 06 Apr 2008 22:03 GMT
>>> Rise in women doctors 'worrying'
>>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> games, golfing, and boating, If woman had time to have free time to unwind
> they would not be so burned out in medicine.

So no men help out in the hous\se, or assist in child rearing, do they Alex?

> Instead of worrying about women in medicine, society should give women the
> support so they can be as productive as men.

What support wuld that be? 12 months maternity leave.....but wait, we
already do that.

> Plus, men want to go into  the more lucurative types of medicine such as
> surgery and  radiology where they work less and play more.

A if you knew.

> In my area the retiring primary care doctors are men, and the only
> replacements they can find are women.

That's because 2/3rds of the med school graduates are now women. The best
women doctors are every bit as good as the best men. The worst are every bit
as bad as the worst, too. You're the sexist Alex. Your opinions are like
those of a 10 year old. You're always looking for someone to blame for
something. Get over it you silly woman.
xela56 - 07 Apr 2008 23:43 GMT
>>>> Rise in women doctors 'worrying'
>>>
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> So no men help out in the hous\se, or assist in child rearing, do they
> Alex?

Not routinely, did you give up your practice for child rearing.? How many
days did you stay home with a sick child? How did you patient's cope when
you were a no show?

>> Instead of worrying about women in medicine, society should give women
>> the support so they can be as productive as men.
>
> What support wuld that be? 12 months maternity leave.....but wait, we
> already do that.

For me it was 6 weeks ( pre and post deliverly) now it is  12 weeks in the
US..

>> Plus, men want to go into  the more lucurative types of medicine such as
>> surgery and  radiology where they work less and play more.
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> like those of a 10 year old. You're always looking for someone to blame
> for something. Get over it you silly woman.

Men out number women 48.3% Women to 51 %in the US , in my daughter's class
it is more like  60% male to 40% female. And last I heard 66% equals 2/3
according the stats in canada
Of the 8687 undergraduate students enrolled at the 17 medical schools in the
past academic year, roughly 58.5% (5082) were female. Last year, 59% of MD
degrees awarded were earned by women. Close but no cigar  59% does not equal
66%.
Steph - 08 Apr 2008 04:16 GMT
>>>>> Rise in women doctors 'worrying'
>>>>
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
> For me it was 6 weeks ( pre and post deliverly) now it is  12 weeks in the
> US..

Move somewhere more progressive

>>> Plus, men want to go into  the more lucurative types of medicine such as
>>> surgery and  radiology where they work less and play more.
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
> equal
> 66%.

Get over yourself woman and grow up
orping@sympatico.ca - 07 Apr 2008 22:58 GMT
[ ... ]
>                        Plus, men want to go into  the
>more lucurative types of medicine such as surgery and  radiology where they
>work less and play more.

What stops women from doing the same!
Just Me - 06 Apr 2008 20:08 GMT
>Rise in women doctors 'worrying'
>Female GP
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>Women, who now outnumber men in medical schools, were also less likely
>to take part in training or research, he said.

If they can heal patients competently, and with care in their
hearts, then gender is merely a narrow minded perspective of
what should be accepted with pride.
 
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