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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Cancer / April 2008Simple Cure for Cancer - right under your nose!
New studies on the benefits of onion juice for eliminating cancer have just been concluded by researchers at Cornell University, confirming what we have been saying all along - onion juice will cure your cancer. What they are still not understanding is how the onions should be administered to effectuate the greatest benefits in eliminating your cancer. Find out the proper procedures for onion juice treatment at http://www.brokenearth.org/cancer Cupper <info@brokenearth.org> fell face-first on the keyboard. This was the result: news:1d662d21-7741-4a1c-ac94- a334a2f9b0cb@s12g2000prg.googlegroups.com: > New studies on the benefits of onion juice for eliminating cancer have > just been concluded by researchers at Cornell University, confirming [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > your cancer. Find out the proper procedures for onion juice treatment > at http://www.brokenearth.org/cancer Wow. All this time going to the doctors, tests, radiation, chemotherapy and surgery - wasted. If only I had known the cure was a simple onion. Wow. Boy, all those people who have spent years in school becoming oncologists, researchers and all the other scientists sure must feel like fools for wasting their lives away on such a useless career, when all we ever had to do was go into the garden, grab a vegetable and drink it. Man. I guess the global media must be in on the plot to keep cancer as uncureable, eh ? Dirty bastages. I mean, this should be on the front page of every newspaper and blaring from every tv and radio station but nope - not a peep. Those danged government conspiracists. Wow. An onion. Who'd'a'thunk it ? I'll go out and drink five of them right now. Sorry to J and everyone else for wasting their time asking for help with my cancer when the solution was so simple and under our noses all along. I guess I'll be cured by the time you read this. To Cupper, for posting this life-saving bit of information: You are an idiot.  SignatureMarc Bissonnette Looking for a new ISP? http://www.canadianisp.com Largest ISP comparison site across Canada. On Mar 29, 9:41 am, Marc Bissonnette <dragnet\_@_/internalysis.com> wrote: > Cupper <i...@brokenearth.org> fell face-first on the keyboard. This was the > result: news:1d662d21-7741-4a1c-ac94- [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > Looking for a new ISP?http://www.canadianisp.com > Largest ISP comparison site across Canada. I have been called worse! :-) Good luck with that Chemo and Radiation! Sterilization, causing worse forms of cancer later on, hair loss, months of pain and suffering, loss of all your savings and your home ---- yeap, I'm an idiot alright. > On Mar 29, 9:41 am, Marc Bissonnette <dragnet\_@_/internalysis.com> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 52 lines] > loss, months of pain and suffering, loss of all your savings and your > home ---- yeap, I'm an idiot alright. Glad to see you admitting it. To think that anyone was foolish enough to believe that any simple vegetable matter imbibed into the human digestive system could integrate itself into the millions of cells' DNA which has started replicating wildly *and correct it* - Man, that takes several different shades of moron to believe. SignatureMarc Bissonnette Looking for a new ISP? http://www.canadianisp.com Largest ISP comparison site across Canada. > Wow. All this time going to the doctors, tests, radiation, chemotherapy > and [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > You are an idiot. You have been suckered http://whale.to/a/cancer_c.html Yes, the global media are owned by the same people who own the drug companies, and own the government all well documented John, it is good to see that I am not the only idiot in here. :-) Idiots Unite! Onward Idiot Soldiers! How many idiots does it take to screw in a lightbulb? Ok, I digress. > John, it is good to see that I am not the only idiot in here. The cleverer they are the easier to brainwash/hypnotise took awhile to get rid of the allopathic wiring > John, it is good to see that I am not the only idiot in here. :-) -------- Original Message -------- Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 20:03:12 +0000 From: sam aka Old Bill <sam@profets.ot> Newsgroups: alt.support.cancer Would you people please get off this newsgroup.There's always email,y'know. Why on earth you think cancer sufferers should wish to read this rubbish really baffles me. Please. Sam > "Yes, the global media are owned by the same people who own the drug > companies, and own the government > > all well documented If it had any value for treating cancer, drug companies would have developed it into a treatment long ago. J > If it had any value for treating cancer, drug companies would have > developed it > into a treatment long ago. > J LOL. You can't patent onion, and you know that >> If it had any value for treating cancer, drug companies would have >> developed it [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > You can't patent onion, and you know that He didn't say "patent onion", he said "developed it into a treatment", which the process of certainly could be patented and profited from, especially if the alleged active ingredient could be synthesized and fortified. The OP is simply a spammer trying to make a buck off of other people's misery, for which he should be ashamed. SignatureMarc Bissonnette Looking for a new ISP? http://www.canadianisp.com Largest ISP comparison site across Canada. > He didn't say "patent onion", he said "developed it into a treatment", > which the process of certainly could be patented and profited from, [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > The OP is simply a spammer trying to make a buck off of other people's > misery, for which he should be ashamed. Cancer Myth 2: Herbs are made into drugs to make them work better. Herbs work best in theri natural state as god intended. Hard to make a buck off onion. The real people making money off peoples misery is the Chemo quacks, 110 Billion every year, USA 10 years ago. see http://whale.to/w/orthodox_herbs.html >> He didn't say "patent onion", he said "developed it into a >> treatment", which the process of certainly could be patented and [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Cancer Myth 2: Herbs are made into drugs to make them work better. > Herbs work best in theri natural state as god intended. What is your cite for this alleged myth ? Are you another one of those "if God wills it, you'll be cured, otherwise you'll die!" ? > Hard to make a buck off onion. The real people making money off > peoples misery is the Chemo quacks, 110 Billion every year, USA 10 > years ago. Mmm hmm. Another conspiracy freak. > see http://spamvertizedwebsite whale.to is a known spammer site. Your reference is invalid. SignatureMarc Bissonnette Looking for a new ISP? http://www.canadianisp.com Largest ISP comparison site across Canada. > whale.to is a known spammer site. Your reference is invalid. Pharma troll talk http://whale.to/cancer/cancer_lie_2.html The picture is certinly coming into focus. Anyone who doubts onion juce therapy as a viable treatment should understand the length to which these devils will go to protect what they perceive as their territory - the medical mafia wants no competition and they will go to extream measures to stop any other advancement. As a Sufi I have a pretty good understanding of the higharchy or pyramid structure of those serving God. In all times there is one leader above everyone else - one viceregent who is given the abilities afforded a real human being and the authority to literially "Do Gods Will" as He wills. They are egoless instruments in the fight for GOOD! Under them is a descending level of deputies and followers that constitutes perhaps 5% of the worlds population - real followers who understand what is really going on (to varying degrees). There are in fact 124,000 Saints representing the 124,000 Prophets who have been sent throughout time - at any one given generation. These are the Knowers - way above believers. They are rare and hard to find today as no one really is listening to them anymore - so no need to be visable. Why am I telling you all this? Because, as our creation is set up there is dark to the light, night to the day, EVIL to the GOOD! And at the polar oposite is another pyramid structure that is ruled by a polar opposite leader who is the one agent of the DEVIL. Unde them are many deputies with varying levels of understanding. This group also represents about 5% of the population - I am being kind, really both groups are much fewer in number of those really in the know. The Good group works to promote good, and the Evil group to promote ugliness - whose mission is turnm turn every human being into an animal. The good guys work to turn people into human beings. What we are seeing here, in my informed opinion, is the protection of an industry that historically funds the work of the Evil side and uses the medical mafia to turn people into bigger animals. It is one of their playgrounds and they viciously protect it. The movie Devils Advocate - is not very far off the mark and those who can see with their heart actually see these devils as portrayed in the movie. The legal mafia is another favored playground for these devils. There are people who are given cushy jobs in often non-profit "humanitarian" efforts that are effectively front organizations for the Beast. They spend most of there time, thousands of hours on the targets they have been asigned to and guard. These are the shills - bith in government positions and in key roles of commerce and media. There need not be a conspiracy for this to take place, it is all about who you serve. If you put ten Christians in a room all from the same faith group and someone starts talking religion to someone else in an effort to get the person intreseted in joining the church - everyone in the room will if given the opportunity jump on the band wagon and lend assistance to the lead person giving selling their faith group. This is what I have termed, "The Momentum of Common Intrest" It is not a conspiracy per se - like old men in a room planning all this in advance - but there is nonetheless and order to it and everyone inside - or in the know - Gets It and works towards that common goal. It serves and empowers their Way, there Path, there God int his case the Devil. The higher up you are in this higharchy structure the better you can understand these things. Selling your soul to the devil is no joke or fairytale. Spiritual psychics and fortune tellers - the real ones have all been told what they are giving up to achieve insights and understanding from a darl side. They knowingly agree and then are given certain powers from Jinns - a being created from smoke and fire. Some are good, other bad - they have free will as well. The powers are much stronger on the Good side, hurray for the good side, but they are very difficult to obtain. It is easy to make a deal with the devil and get these powers - not so easy to earn them. Easier to slay ten dragons, it tis. So I just want people to know what we are up against here - it's a living Star Wars at play here and the other side is obviously very motivated. How motivated are you? What you are seeing is the extent to which they will go to protect their medical mafia - my sword is out. Lets dance. Peace and Blessings. | The picture is certinly coming into focus. [snip] | As a Sufi I have a pretty good understanding of the higharchy or | pyramid structure of those serving God. [snip] You wouldn't be a Whirling Dervish by any chance,would you Cupper? Do you perceive the Universe between your extended finger and thumb? Never met one in my life, and I've got to have a blood malignancy and be talking onion therapy before I do. Waddya know! Nice to know you, but we may be wandering a bit from the main purpose of this news group,and I'll get my knuckles rapped again so I must shut up. Sorry. Old Bill. Most whirling dervishes today are stage performers. Like most things spiritual, we have lost most of this understanding. This disconect - to get back on the subject, is why we have so many diseases tday. Used to be that there were a handful of illnesses and simple cures for them. Now people are rejecting simple cures and opting for what in reality is a punishment on them. Simple cures require a belief in a Creator of All Things. If we had that belief and understanding today you would see many more whirlers and much less cancer. There - your safe now - we are back on subject. Oh my God he is selling whirling dervishes, Someone inform Paul. :-) Which leads me to my next point, a man drove his car down a one way street - someone like Paul ran out of his house and shot his tires out yelling, "You can not travl this way on this street". The driver turned out to be an old lady who just suffered a mild stroke and was a bit confused or an emergency ambulance, looking for a home that called in an emergency. If you really want to be a good citizen, you take down the tag number and call it in - then let someone reasonable decide if there has ben a wrong committed. Get the point here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You do not prevent a minor crime by committing a major crime to stop it. Paul is WACKO and needs mental help. People should report this more serious abuse. Our position stands, unlike Paul with his non-profit work, drawing a cushy salary and harrassing people all day on company time - we draw no salary, ask for no donations and the offerings we make to help people find the treatments we recommend to be a bit easier to perform - all monies go back into helping other people. We derive our income from other outside sources. This NO-Profit site is dedicated to our departed son. If Paul continues, I am certain to put a stop to this, others should voice an objection as well. More than any person circumventing the drug companies, as was one of Pauls other victims, who i challange big corporations, who Paul gets lots of donations from, it is people like Paul who are destroying the Usernet groups. There is a proper way to file a complaint with breaking the law. hi folks - since james is determined to just make things up, i'm going to respond to him - but for most this is simply a continued off-topic bunch of nonsense - so please just kill file it all [and that includes my replies to him] and continue to offer the support to each other that is why we came here in the first place. > Most whirling dervishes today are stage performers. Like most things > spiritual, we have lost most of this understanding. it would seem that the more precise reason for the decline is that the cultural basis for it has dissipated - which is the choice of those coming from that place, time, and mindset >This disconect - > to get back on the subject, is why we have so many diseases tday. Used > to be that there were a handful of illnesses and simple cures for > them. factually and historically untrue - care to try to document this statement? please include both qualitative and quantitative data. >Now people are rejecting simple cures and opting for what in > reality is a punishment on them. ibid - please document the 'cures' that have been abandoned and give citations for source material. >Simple cures require a belief in a > Creator of All Things. this is an article of personal faith - those who subscribe to such should never be jeered or pilloried for such belief >If we had that belief and understanding today > you would see many more whirlers and much less cancer. that belief does not however amount to 'proof' unless you provide documentation of each. > There - your safe now - we are back on subject. actually we're not - we are now in the realm of your faith, or belief system, and your subjective recounting of such. again, not to disabuse you, or belittle it - but let it be clear that it is 'not' the starting point - rather a byway you have injected. > Oh my God he is selling whirling dervishes, Someone inform Paul. :-) you've added that to the line? perhaps the kiddies will like 'em <equal g> > Which leads me to my next point, a man drove his car down a one way > street - remember 'man' >someone like Paul ran out of his house and shot his tires out > yelling, "You can not travl this way on this street". The driver that would be both uncommonly rash, not to discount outright illegal: an unknown causative condition creating a situational circumstance. > turned out to be an old lady who just suffered a mild stroke and was a remember 'man'...shucks - did the gunshots cause a gender reassignment? > bit confused or an emergency ambulance, wait a minute now james - first a car, now an ambulance - is the shooter nearsighted? perhaps has a touch of glaucoma? tsk, tsk...perhaps you wish the reader to choose one or another so as to alter the outcome? must be like those dinner theatre mysteries one can go to... >looking for a home that called > in an emergency. yup, that must be the case whatever type of vehicle it was/is/could be > If you really want to be a good citizen, you take down the tag number did you know to bring paper and pen? perhaps you will have to scratch it on your palm with a finger nail? i know! trace it in the lawn with your toe!!! > and call it in presumes a telephone in existence - not previously included in the fact list for this scenario >- then let someone reasonable decide if there has ben a > wrong committed. why yes, that is what the various permutations of your off topic scenario would suggest on the other hand, here in real life - at least such as usenet is, let me ask you: how's your campaign going james - you've been all over usenet posting this complaint - how many times in how many groups have you been told to bugger off? be honest with yourself and with the readers who is supporting your efforts? > Get the point here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! that you are about to make a tremendous leap of logic and present yourself as an ambulance driver - heck, we knew that before you started. but please remember it's not safe to run around holding pointy objects - you could hurt yourself > You do not prevent a minor crime by committing a major crime to stop > it. gosh but i hate to have to keep interrupting a perfectly good rant you have going here james, but even if anything that you posit were true, it would not be a 'crime' but rather a civil 'tort' - do try to keep up won't you? however, since neither is the case concerning your spam posts and the various rebuttals you have received to them, all that this is about is your whining that 'you are not understood' - mommy - the bad mans being mean to me... > Paul is WACKO and needs mental help. why thank you for adding yourself to the list of spammers who have tried this 'must be a whacko' defense it is always much nicer to have you all fit so neatly into one definitive group now, the only problem that you're going to have pursuing this line, is that over the years providers, isp's and moderators haven't agreed with that assessment. please notice that it is the spammers and kooks who, having made similar outcry and stamping their feet in a temper tantrum, ultimately depart. you are just the next one to try > People should report this more serious abuse. go ahead, james - please note that each and every complaint that you author with simply add to the growing volume concerning 'your' activities, intentions, and actions. > Our position stands, you have a position stand? is it for sale also? >unlike Paul with his non-profit work, of which you actually know virtually nothing >drawing a > cushy salary lol what was that word you've been using so freely? ah yes: >slander definition: a false report maliciously uttered and tending to injure the reputation of a person (c)2000 Zane Publishing, Inc. and Merriam-Webster, Incorporated. All rights reserved well james, you have a two part problem here. you see, you have no knowledge to justify the above declaration. the fact is, you are simply making it up. you are writing it for the apparent purpose of of altering folks perception of me...by writing deliberately unfounded statements [while they have had the unintended outcome of creating great mirth and laughter, that was not your desire in writing such] that being the case, you have committed not 'slander' [please refer to above definition provided which shows that you have been misusing the word altogether] but rather 'libel' definition: a spoken or written statement or a representation that gives an unjustly unfavorable impression of a person or thing 2 : the action or crime of publishing a libel (c)2000 Zane Publishing, Inc. and Merriam-Webster, Incorporated. All rights reserved you have presented untrue information without any attempt to ascertain the veracity of same. therefore, let me present you with the simple facts - that way you won't continue to make such a flaming fool of yourself you see you silly thing, all of us involved in forming this organization set it up so that for one to be involved, you have to pitch in with financial support - that way we have no costs to the program recipients, take no government monies, nor corporate monies...it is called a volunteer community foundation... the 'fact' is that i helped found the organization, and while working in my profession in the theatre arts, supported it financially, am now retired so have had to somewhat lesson but not stop the amount of financial aid i give you have written yourself into a corner of falsehood. you have shown that you are willing to make up supposed 'information' - simply put - that is called lying... >and harrassing people it is certainly true that i am willing to 'respond' to what you post, and such may indeed be considered by you as 'harrassing' [sic], however if viewed from the perspective of the actual definition: 1 : exhaust, fatigue 2 : to worry and impede by repeated raids 3 : to annoy continually syn harry, plague, pester, tease, bedevil (c)2000 Zane Publishing, Inc. and Merriam-Webster, Incorporated. All rights reserved do i intend that spammers should be 'impeded' - yes. do i sometimes reply with a 'tease'? indeed, i find ironic humor to be justified. as any of this applies to you - since i do not seek you out but only respond to what 'you' write, i can not be found guilty of 'pursuing' [i.e. repeated raids in the literary sense] you. in the specific construct of usenet, i am not following you, or in the definition sense, 'raiding' you or yours. does this annoy you? patently it does. but perhaps you should review the actual 'legal' definition as used by the courts: "A type of defamation. Slander is an untruthful oral (spoken) statement about a person that harms the person's reputation or standing in the community. Because slander is a tort (a civil wrong), the injured person can bring a lawsuit against the person who made the false statement. If the statement is made via broadcast media -- for example, over the radio or on TV -- it is considered libel, rather than slander, because the statement has the potential to reach a very wide audience. " now, anytime you desire to, please post the specific statement(s) that you contend are false - 'exact' statements, not your interpretation or paraphrase, and i shall be happy to respond [but you knew i would be didn't you? lol] you, on the other hand, have pursued me to many groups having nothing whatsoever to do with our debate here....such a pickle [perhaps i should have said - onion] you have placed yourself in... you, with forethought, set out to reach a greater audience for your statements...you bad boy you... >all day on company time - 'all day'? lolololololololol gosh but you're cute when you make up things like this - we'll just add it to the file how's that? all day, gosh... >we draw > no salary, no wrote or claimed you did but you continue to be so defensive about it...wonder why? >ask for no donations highly tuned sophism there is no practical difference between 'asking' for, and directing attention to the 'proper' way to make a donation: " This action of giving charity actually boosts or empowers the overall effectiveness of the treatment. The treatment is a mechanism for the healing not the cause. Intention, respect, good manners and charity alters healing energy." you devote an entire page to this subject of 'how' to properly go about making a donation... >and the offerings we make to help > people find the treatments we recommend to be a bit easier to perform huh? twould appear that this is for the purpose of encouraging those donations that you don't ask for... > - all monies go back into helping other people. so you continue to assert - only problem is, no one questioned it to begin with - once again you are preemptively defensive >We derive our income > from other outside sources. ok, but no one asked >This NO-Profit site is dedicated to our > departed son. well, ok - i don't know why you insist on bringing him into it, it's irrelevant tko whether you are a spammer > If Paul continues, I am certain to put a stop to this, by making up more untrue statements and presenting them as facts? go right ahead... >others should > voice an objection as well. asked already, but doing so again: how's it going? in al the groups you've been pursuing this in, how many folk have responded in support of your crusade? how many folk you that you should just stop and go away? >More than any person circumventing the > drug companies, as was one of Pauls other victims, no foundation, no citation, fuzzy logic >who i challange big > corporations, well gosh - who would have thought that this was about you and the big corporations - i can't say as i've seen a single solitary post that can be ascribed to a representative of one...care to name 'exactly' who, what, when, where? i'm sure it will be fascinating - equal to the facts and truths you've come up with so far >who Paul gets lots of donations from, there you go again!!! lololololololol care to back that up you funnster you!!! just way too droll of you...is that froth i espie around your lips? are your eyes bulging with righteousness and wrath at the thought? with the small problem that it is a total fabrication on your part... since you have embarked upon this crusade of yours, has it occurred to your that by making such blatant and errant false statements about another, you might just be calling into question: what else have you misspoken about? what other 'facts' that you write may be equally untrue? what else are you simply making up to fit the story your want others to believe about you and your efforts? james, i will tell you this just once - i think you are probably sincere in your lifestyle, and beliefs - most of which is no one's business to question - it is based on your faith. that doesn't mean you are correct in you thoughts about what you should be able to write about your business endeavor - not matter how you wish to think of it - in the defense of what you think things should be like - you are descending into falsehood and putting the lie to the core of what you profess. now, it is neither here nor there to me - but just this once - understand that you have become a hypocrite - if we are to believe that you truly are trying to live a certain life. >it is people like > Paul who are destroying the Usernet groups. so be it james - but in what way does that square with the falsehood s you are now writing... > There is a proper way to file a complaint with breaking the law. indeed - and making up things isn't it... >> whale.to is a known spammer site. Your reference is invalid. > > Pharma troll talk > > http://spamvertizedwebsite.com Oh look, I've been quoted on a spammer site by a religious conspiracy nut. My life is complete, now. SignatureMarc Bissonnette Looking for a new ISP? http://www.canadianisp.com Largest ISP comparison site across Canada. Marc, FYI, your sig appears to constitute SPAM. For this group at least, you want to consider using a sig that doesn't promote a commercial enterprise. Especially when you're pointing out the SPAM of others. Your choice, of course. --- CSM > Marc, > > FYI, your sig appears to constitute SPAM. For this group at least, > you want to consider using a sig that doesn't promote a commercial > enterprise. Especially when you're pointing out the SPAM of others. > Your choice, of course. Um. No. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Signature_block http://www.cybernothing.org/cno/docs/rfc1855.html You don't understand the definition of spam, either. I'm sorry if I sound abrupt, but claiming contact details in .sigs as spam is one of the oldest newb/cloob mistakes and has been argued to death. There are many RFCs that point out that you are mistaken. SignatureMarc Bissonnette Looking for a new ISP? http://www.canadianisp.com Largest ISP comparison site across Canada. On Mar 31, 8:04 pm, Marc Bissonnette <dragnet\_@_/internalysis.com> wrote: > csm7...@hotmail.com fell face-first on the keyboard. This was the result:news:0f3cc988-3073-4ff8-b754-832abaf4d19f@m3g2000hsc.googlegroups.com: > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > You don't understand the definition of spam, either. Quite simply, unsolicited advertisement. Like yours, for your site. What am I missing? Is there something in the Charter that invites you to advertise? You don't want to call it SPAM because...? > I'm sorry if I sound abrupt, but claiming contact details in .sigs as spam > is one of the oldest newb/cloob mistakes and has been argued to death. Surely you aren't so dishonest that you call your advertisement "contact details". Contact details are information on how to contact the poster, not (like yours) advertisement for a product or service. If you don't realize that your sig is mostly an advertisement, take a good look at it. > There are many RFCs that point out that you are mistaken. > > -- > Marc Bissonnette > Looking for a new ISP?http://www.canadianisp.com > Largest ISP comparison site across Canada. I may have missed something, but the first link seems to have nothing to say about SPAM in sigs at all. Neither does the second, though it does say, under "NetNews Guidelines", "Although there are Newsgroups which welcome advertising, in general it is considered nothing less than criminal to advertise off-topic products." A bit extreme IMO, but it puts your off-topic advertisement in a worse light than the hawking of quack cures for cancer. I've been on Usenet since '95, so hardly a newbie, and don't recall any reasoned argument why SPAM in one part of a post is acceptable while in another, not. That may be because I generally don't care a lot about SPAM---it's your hypocrisy that got my attention. The simple fact is, it's very hard to enforce any of these anti-SPAM rules, so it's a sort of honor system. You choose to advertise on asc. Fine. I generally ignore that, but found it ironic that you would complain about another spammer. If you take a look through asc, you'll likely find a *lot* of the SPAM that follows your, or a similar pattern. --- CSM apparently you were absent years ago when the professionals and power users who make such decisions allowed as how a 'sig line' is not the same thing a advertising believe it or not, there really are actual meetings and committees for such things to be ironed out. http://www.faqs.org/faqs/usenet/signature-faq/ http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1855 as a matter of fact, since the internet is worldwide, are you aware that 'some' countries actually mandate that a corporate poster must include there company information as a sig? so - this amounts to your undereducated opinion being incorrect. "Since by definition these blocks are added automatically to a message, usually regardless of its content, there are guidelines of netiquette regarding their size. The most common guideline, called the McQuary limit, is a size of no more than four lines of less than eighty columns each. This keeps the overall size of the message down, conserving bandwidth as well as the time required to read the message, and ensures that eighty-column terminals (the most common terminal width by far) can display the sig block properly, allowing for programs that reserve the last column for a continuation character; using all eighty columns for text can result in a character wrapping to the next line." > On Mar 31, 8:04 pm, Marc Bissonnette <dragnet\_@_/internalysis.com> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 52 lines] > --- > CSM On Apr 1, 1:17 pm, "Paul T. Holland" <pholl...@bellatlantic.net> wrote: > apparently you were absent years ago when the professionals and power > users who make such decisions allowed as how a 'sig line' is not the [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > last column for a continuation character; using all eighty columns for > text can result in a character wrapping to the next line." <snip> Interesting. I knew about the length limit, but the rest is news to me. This means that it's OK for anyone to post unsolicited advertising of any product or service to asc (or any ng), as long as the advertising part of the message is limited to the sig. My apologies for my ignorance to Marc, and all others who advertise in asc this way. It appears that you're free to advertise whatever you want here, without being guilty of SPAM, as long as you follow this approach. --- CSM it should also be noted that it is possible with many newsreaders to set so as to strip out any sig lines - many folk do this as the default setting so as to not have to read whatever the poster puts in a sig. > On Apr 1, 1:17 pm, "Paul T. Holland" <pholl...@bellatlantic.net> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > --- > CSM > On Apr 1, 1:17 pm, "Paul T. Holland" <pholl...@bellatlantic.net> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > want here, without being guilty of SPAM, as long as you follow this > approach. Thanks, CSM, I appreciate the realization; This is not to say that .sigs cannot be abused. If I were to jump into this newsgroup and post "Happy Tuesday" or "I like oranges" or whatever that was completely irrelevent for the sole purpose of exposing my .sig, then yes, that would be spam- like abuse. The fact that I use Usenet as a part of my regular duties for $dayjob means that my .sig is relevant to what I do and forms the primary method of contact. In addition to that, you might be interested to know - the general public cannot purchase anything from my site at all. Even my newsreader (XNews) puts everything below the sig delimiter in a much smaller font, so unless I am specifically looking for .sig content, I don't even notice it in others' posts, so it's "advertising" value is a little on the low side (But not non-existant, to be perfectly fair) SignatureMarc Bissonnette Looking for a new ISP? http://www.canadianisp.com Largest ISP comparison site across Canada. On Apr 1, 5:33 pm, Marc Bissonnette <dragnet\_@_/internalysis.com> wrote: > csm7...@hotmail.com fell face-first on the keyboard. This was the > result:news:0d777ae1-0137-42d1-acc7-9db5b03cd701@e67g2000hsa.googlegroups.com: [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > > Thanks, CSM, I appreciate the realization; You're welcome. I'm generally happy to be proven wrong, as it means I've learned something. Now I notice that I didn't say it before: Thanks, Paul, for the correction. > This is not to say that .sigs > cannot be abused. If I were to jump into this newsgroup and post "Happy [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > Looking for a new ISP?http://www.canadianisp.com > Largest ISP comparison site across Canada. I'm too lazy to check, but I bet if you went through old posts on asc, you'd find a *lot* of them that people here have complained about as SPAM, but that are clear under this definition. I know there are many that had no apparent advertisement in the message at all, and just had a link somewhere in the message (some maybe in the sig) that led to advertisement. If any of these guys are reading this subthread, we may see more posts that use sigs for advertisement and lead-in to commercial sites, knowing they have an out. FWIW, I don't really care much about SPAM, or violations of many other parts of the Charter, as it's quite clear that the whole thing is meaningless and toothless. To me, a post trying to sell specially-grown porcupine quills as a cure for all disease is no more annoying than one complaining of a global governmental conspiracy to torture the poster, or similar. This thread had me imagining creative things to do with an onion in an attempt to cure one's cancer. --- CSM (with a non-commercial sig that's hand-typed each time) It would take a lawyer to figure this out - but very little is said about commercial advertising - I am sure it is part of a Spam definition, but back to my point about shooting out the tires of someone driving down the street the wrong way. I really believe many people come in here with very good intentions wanting to share something they believe in, and yes, profit from and what percentage of them know all these following rules. You guys that have been in here for years do not know this stuff ---- So then you have an idiot like Paul shoot out your tires when you just moved to town and have never been on that street before - to make matters worse, the ONE WAY sign is obscured by a tree - people like Paul know it and never cut the branches because they get off on shooting out people tires. The real damage is from the criminals and mental cases abusing the la and committing a much bigger wrong (crime) than the minor offense of, OH My God . . . . It;s SPAM. Get a grip guys. At first encounter with Paul and his gang of not so merry men, my tires were shot out and numerous lies that amount to libel and slander were waged against me and clearly now I see others. Here if the lengthy info about Spam FAQ: Current Usenet spam thresholds and guidelines -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tskirvin@killfile.org (Tim Skirvin) Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.bulletins, news.admin.net- abuse.usenet, news.admin.net-abuse.sightings, news.admin.net-abuse.misc Subject: FAQ: Current Usenet spam thresholds and guidelines Date: Sun, 16 May 2004 00:00:01 -0500 Message-ID: <spam-faq.20040516050001$1d4d@news.killfile.org> Reply-To: tskirvin@killfile.org Summary: This posting contains the current Spam definitions, thresholds, and guidelines, as used by most major spam cancellers and news administrators. X-Auth: PGPMoose V1.1 PGP news.admin.net-abuse.sightings iD8DBQFApvVSv1i8LqUfqQURAqblAJ4jsjTTEsgwoavXUJJfVnPW4UKEKwCfaXTH 97SZIboKgwmWZJFE/l41HX4= =hSA0 Archive-name: usenet/spam-faq Posting-Frequency: weekly Last-modified: 1998/11/10 URL: http://www.killfile.org/faqs/spam.html Maintainer: tskirvin@killfile.org (Tim Skirvin) Original-Author: clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca (Chris Lewis) Current Spam thresholds and guidelines. This article is intended to describe the current consensus spam thresholds and ensure that the definitions of these terms are available and consistent. It is believed that most, if not all, spam cancellers use these terms and definitions in their work; however, many other people use the terms inappropriately, which leads to confusion in discussions. This is an informal FAQ aimed at clarity and understanding, not anal-retentive correctness. Excessive Multi-Posting (EMP) has the same meaning as the term "spam" usually carries, but it is more accurate and self-explanatory. EMP means, essentially, "too many separate copies of a substantively identical article." "Substantively identical" means that the material in each article is sufficiently similar to construe the same message. The signature is included in the determination. These are examples of substantively identical articles: - byte-for-byte identical messages - otherwise identical postings minimally customized for each group it appears in. - advertising the same service. - articles that consist solely of the same signature - articles which consist of inclusions of other user's postings, but are otherwise identical. Cross-posting means that a single message appears in more than one group. Most newsreaders allow you to specify more than one group in a posting. Excessive Crossposting (ECP) refers to where a "lot" of postings to more than one group each have been made. Some people think cross-posting is "bad". In and of itself, it's good behaviour - it allows you to reach more groups with less impact on the net. Especially if you set the Followup-to: header to one group. It is "bad" when it's done to attack newsgroups or provoke flamewars (like cross- posting how to cook a cat between alt.tasteless and rec.pet.cats), but this is beyond the scope of this FAQ. This author considers the term "spam" to mean excessive postings of EMP and/or ECP variety. That is, "spam", is a generic term for several different things. The term was originally supposed to mean EMPs only, but most people use "spam" to mean "any excessive posting". A spam, EMP, or ECP therefore refers to a posting that has been posted to many places. There is a consensus that there is a point at which it is abuse, and is subject to advisory cancellation. A formula has been invented by Seth Breidbart which attempts to quantify the degree of "badness" of a spam (whether EMP or ECP) as a single number. The Breidbart Index (BI) is defined as the sum of the square roots of n (n is the number of newsgroups each copy was posted to). Example: If two copies of a posting are made, one to 9 groups, and one to 16, the BI index is sqrt(9)+sqrt(16) = 3+4 = 7. The BI2 (Breidbart Index, version 2) is an experimental metric, which may eventually replace the BI. It is calculated by computing the sum of the square roots of n, plus the sum of n, and dividing by two. Eg: one posting to 9, and one to 16 is (sqrt(9) + sqrt(16) + 9 + 16) / 2 ( 3 + 4 + 9 + 16 ) / 2 = 32 / 2 = 16 The BI2 is more "aggressive" than the BI, intended to cut off the "higher end". BI allows about 125 newsgroups maximum. BI2 allows a maximum of 35. A slightly less aggressive index is the SBI (Skirvin-Breidbart Index); it is calculated much the same as the BI2, but sums the number of groups in the Followup-to: header (if available), rather than the newsgroups. Eg: one posting to 9 groups, and one to 16 with followups set to 4 is (sqrt(9) + sqrt(16) + 9 + 4) / 2 ( 3 + 4 + 9 + 4 ) / 2 = 20 / 2 = 10 Except in nl.*, where the SBI is followed, the BI2 and SBI are not used to determine whether a spam is cancellable. The thresholds for spam cancels are based _only_ on one or more of the following measures: 1) The BI is 20 or greater over a 45 day period. 2) is a continuation of a previous EMP/ECP, within a 45 day sliding window. That is: if the articles posted within the past 45 days exceeds a BI threshold of 20, it gets removed, unless the originator has made a clear and obvious effort to cease spamming (which includes an undertaking to do so posted in news.admin.net-abuse.usenet). This includes "make money fast" schemes which passed the EMP/ECP thresholds several years ago. This author recommends one posting cross-posted to no more than 10 groups, no more often than once every two weeks (a BI of 3). A single posting cannot be cancellable - to reach a BI of 20, it would have to be cross-posted to 400 groups. This isn't possible due to limitations in Usenet software. These thresholds nominally apply to all hierarchies - not just the Big-8 and alt.*. Many hierarchies have more restrictive rules, which are decided upon and enforced by their users and administrators; they may also opt out of the cancellations, at the discretion of the same users and admins. These cancels have nothing whatsoever to do with the contents of the message. It doesn't matter if it's an advertisement, it doesn't matter if it's abusive, it doesn't matter whether it's on-topic in the groups it was posted in, it doesn't matter whether the posting is for a "good cause" or not - spam is cancelled regardless, based on _how many times_ it was said and not _what_ was said. Administrators wishing to ignore spam cancels can "alias out" the site "cyberspam", and the cancels will not affect your system. This is normally done at your feed site, but patches are available for INN to allow you to reject spam cancels on your own system. Ask in news.admin.net- abuse.usenet if you need this patch. Further literature on posting etiquette and related information: The newsgroup news.announce.newusers <URL:news:news.announce.newusers> "What is Usenet", by Salzenberg, Spafford and Moraes <URL:ftp://ftp.faqs.org/faqs/usenet/what-is/part1> "What is Usenet? A second opinion.", by Vielmetti <URL:ftp://ftp.faqs.org/faqs/usenet/what-is/part2> "FAQ: Advertising on Usenet: How To Do It, How Not To Do It", by Furr <URL:ftp://ftp.faqs.org/faqs/usenet/advertising/how-to/part1> "A Primer on How to Work With the Usenet Community", by Von Rospach, et al <URL:ftp://ftp.faqs.org/faqs/usenet/primer/part1> "Rules for posting to Usenet", by Horton, Spafford & Moraes. <URL:ftp://ftp.faqs.org/faqs/usenet/posting-rules/part1> "Emily Postnews Answers Your Questions on Netiquette", by Templeton et al <URL:ftp://ftp.faqs.org/faqs/usenet/emily-postnews/part1> Numerous books and publications on Usenet, such as O'Reilly's "Stopping Spam" (Schwartz and Garfinkel), the "Whole Internet Guide and Catalog" (Krol), "Usenet Handbook" (Harrison), etc. "Cancel Messages: Frequently Asked Questions", by Skirvin <URL:http://www.killfile.org/faqs/cancel.html> The above FAQs are also mirrored at various sites, including as ftp.sunet.se, mirror.aol.com, ftp.uu.net, ftp.uni-paderborn.de, nctuccca.edu.tw, hwarang.postech.ac.kr, ftp.hk.super.net etc. A mailing list has been set up to assist those wishing to post commercial advertisements on Usenet in a responsible fashion. Email your questions to commerce@acpub.duke.edu. hi there james just want to thank you for admitting that you have spammed before, been spanked for it before that means that your foray 'here' and 'now' is deliberate, knowledgeable, spammer behavior on your part while you have heretofore tried to claim ignorance, you are, with this post, admitting to full knowledge of acceptable posting practices 'because' you have been through all this before. and that means that when you go for those 'criminal' charges...you're subject to the 'clean hands' theory - and you haven't got 'em. that means you aren't just an ignorant spammer innocent of knowledge, rather you are a stupid 'deliberate' spammer, repeating your mistakes of the past... do you know what james? you actually fell off your pious pedestal a bit faster than i would have thought > It would take a lawyer to figure this out - naw - just someone with less vested interest than yourself >but very little is said > about commercial advertising - really? get out much? >I am sure it is part of a Spam > definition, and we've all seem how accurate your being 'sure' turns out haven't we? lolol >but back to my point stop running with points - you'll really hurt yourself >about shooting out the tires of a repeat spammer? - further down you admit this is old behavior on your part...lol > someone driving down the street the wrong way. true - spammers are wrong way drivers aren't they? just can't seem to follow directions worth a durn... > I really believe many people come in here with very good intentions indeed they do - only a very few, such as yourself, are stubborn and willful wanting to be given a pass even when repeating previous bad behaviors > wanting to share something they believe in, and yes, profit from and and therein lies the rub spammer- the 'ol debbil 'profit from' > what percentage of them know all these following rules. You guys that > have been in here for years do not know this stuff ---- ah! but you see - they aren't spamming - you are. why should a non-spammer have to understand all such? on the other hand, why 'shouldn't' the spammer have to take the time, do the research on netequitte, and abide by same? the answer of course is that the spammer 'should' have to do so... and you did not... > So then you have an idiot like Paul shoot out your tires when you just > moved to town and have never been on that street before - to make that james, is another of your lies - since you admit to having been down the road before, you have been made aware of the rules - and you made a deliberate choice to try to circumvent them. but you see james - one rule about spammers...they lie > matters worse, the ONE WAY sign is obscured by a tree - people like they was no obscurity involved - you've been on the street before remember? > Paul know it and never cut the branches because they get off on > shooting out people tires. well, repeaters like yourself are mildly entertaining - you start out so high and mighty, holier than thou, only to - thru your own words - prove to be the hypocrite that you are. that means that 'i' am not shooting out your tires, james you are shooting yourself in the foot. > The real damage is from the criminals and mental cases abusing the la good nature of the regulars on the group? yes, you are > and committing a much bigger wrong (crime) than the minor offense of, you continue to deliberately mischaracterize things. if it were as you are trying to claim, it would be a 'tort'. but, since the true fact is that you are nothing but a common repeat spammer to usenet, it's nothing more than a mild spanking of a fool > OH My God . . . . It;s SPAM. indeed! you are correct james > Get a grip guys. we did - on you and your ploys. which is why you are squealing so much. > At first encounter with Paul and his gang of not so merry men, my see? your 'first' encounter wasn't here, so - your protestations 'here' of lack of knowledge and innocence were, and are, false... repeat caveat: spammers lie > tires were shot out and numerous lies that amount to libel and slander which is your opinion, unfortunately you have once again found yourself a party of one. > were waged against me and clearly now I see others. awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww...poor wuzzims > Here if the lengthy info about Spam small problem with this next part spammy - it applies to what the 'administrators' on/of the 'networks' may or may not choose to do as 'convention'. as you have already discovered, individuals, chartered groups, and moderators may apply more precise conventions and remedies. in other words - this is another fine example of your not bothering to have done your homework - > FAQ: Current Usenet spam thresholds and guidelines > [quoted text clipped - 220 lines] > questions to > commerce@acpub.duke.edu. but thanks for playing - it's amusing to watch such as you run in circles, jump and shout > csm7532@hotmail.com fell face-first on the keyboard. This was the > result: [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > I don't even notice it in others' posts, so it's "advertising" value is a > little on the low side (But not non-existant, to be perfectly fair) Marc, On this newsgroup, you're here to give and/or receive support. (on a regular basis). Since you have a financial interest, Start a blog and put it in your signature, for this newsgroup. And on the blog will be a link to http://www.canadianisp.com Arrange it so that no matter which section of the blog a person is reading, the above shows up, at the top, bottom or left side. That's how we got around any potential objections or claims of favoritism for Penny (and her friend) who started collecting donations for Edmonton cancer center /Research for lung cancer and The Leukemia & Symphoma Society (US) http://pensclc.blogspot.com/ She already had the blog, when she realized, from newsgroup posts, that so much money was going into research of one type of cancer and so little for many of the other cancers. Unfortunately, the way it was designed, it starts at the end, then one has to find the beginning and through reading each day (by date) understand her thoughts, personal interests, cancer journey, and family, events and/or photos. So the main focus (of your blog) is you, your life, and what happened and the continuing "story of " your cancer. I really like the way that Eric organized, his, by dates. (the first section - Eric's Dancing with the Dragon) The beginning is easy to find and the latest is easy to find. J > > Thanks, CSM, I appreciate the realization; This is not to say that .sigs > > cannot be abused. If I were to jump into this newsgroup and post "Happy [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > I really like the way that Eric organized, his, by dates. (the first section > - Eric's Dancing with the Dragon) I forgot this http://www.ngc1514.com/ECG/index.html J > The beginning is easy to find and the latest is easy to find. > J thanks for the link j > > > Thanks, CSM, I appreciate the realization; This is not to say that .sigs > > > cannot be abused. If I were to jump into this newsgroup and post "Happy [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > > The beginning is easy to find and the latest is easy to find. > > J > thanks for the link j > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > > The beginning is easy to find and the latest is easy to find. > > > J Helps to finish a thought eh? :p J Spam is defined by Shills as that form of information that encrouches on th Medical Mafia's hold on a billion dollar industry. As I pointed out before, the big crroks and spammers can afford to set up think tanks and special intrest groups and non-profits to tought their wares in a non-commercial setting - because, like Paul, they earn huge salaries for doing a non-profit job - and that is the way they make their Commercial living, pay their bills, feed their families. On the other hand you have servants of God who accept nothing, solicite no donations, make no public funding requests, have no corporate sponsorship, no fund raisers, no government grants and the product offerings related to the treatments they propmote and offer - all the proceeds goe where? Back into directly helping people in need. If you look at the site - it is crystal clear we are NON-Commercial THe Shills are here to protect the Medical Mafia that they feed off of - full stop and in so doing they dominate these groups and keep really useful information from coming into the light of day - it is the oldest trick in the book - nothing new. hi there james - could not have written a scenario whereby you would lie so easily! see what painting yourself into a corner does to your story? lolol > Spam is defined by those in charge of the system, not those who try to subvert it. don't like that? go start your won group... wait! that's right you did over the last couple days - enjoy it - it is there that you can post what you will, and write what you want... no one cares because we won't go there. >Shills as that form of information that encrouches > on th Medical Mafia's hold on a billion dollar industry. well there ya go - shills huh? so you 'claim' with no actual basis for it but what the heck, go ahead, just make things up on the other hand, we know [as opposed to claim], thru your own admission, that you are shill for your own business. >As I pointed > out before, the big crroks and spammers can afford to set up think > tanks and special intrest groups and non-profits to tought their wares > in a non-commercial setting - because, like Paul, they earn huge > salaries for doing a non-profit job huge salary? really? everyone will be delighted to see the facts behind this statement james. you made the claim - time to put up your proof once again - thanks for proving my point spammers lie. >- and that is the way they make > their Commercial living, pay their bills, feed their families. since you have established that you will lie about all these little things why should you ever be taken seriously? james, james, james, how's it working for you? and you a good cleric... > On the other hand you have servants of God who accept nothing, aren't you supposed to tell the truth? care to justify the lies you've told? > solicite no donations, but it's ok to devote considerable webspace to showing why your marks should make donations to 'enhance' the 'cure'...that is dear spammer, called advanced marketing >make no public funding requests, have no i doubt if anyone has bothered to check this claim - should we believe you given the proven track record you've established? > corporate sponsorship, who would you go after anyway? the onion growers association? would they want to be joined with a spammer? >no fund raisers, not strictly true [why are we not surprised!] - you have been trying to solicit a bus/travelrig thingee for your work now legally, that happens to be called a material donation and counts exactly the same as money...but i suspect you knew that. >no government grants and the while i have no personal knowledge, what category would you possibly come under? assistance for the megalomanical spammer? > product offerings related to the treatments they propmote and offer - just love the verbiage - 'offering' - james, by any chance were you in advertising in your earlier incarnation? > all the proceeds goe where? Back into directly helping people in need. you are presumably keeping track for the tax man, correct? income in - expenses out - all those pesky little things one has to do when ever money, or goods and services, are involved > If you look at the site - it is crystal clear we are NON-Commercial to you perhaps it is - to others it is a case of personal calling, with high leavening of personal belief systems thrown in. nowhere is there any actual, factual, checkable information. you do say after all that the organization is 'homeless' > THe Shills are here to protect the Medical Mafia that they feed off of love it when you just plain make stuff up james - keep up the good work - you are presenting an almost picture perfect view of a typical kook spammer > - full stop and in so doing they dominate these groups and keep really > useful information from coming into the light of day - it is the > oldest trick in the book - nothing new. yes indeed, you know i read somewhere that the first example of the spammers art was the snake in the garden of eden - apples, onions, such company you keep you are truly blessed! <BG> > >> whale.to is a known spammer site. Your reference is invalid. > > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Looking for a new ISP? http://www.canadianisp.com > Largest ISP comparison site across Canada. I am seeing a trend here that I find very disruptive and I wonder if anyone agrees. So much hate. I have encountered this Paul character and pals before - I though his name looked familiar. From posts I have reviewed of his past work - hundreds and hundreds of posts, I see that he is suffering from some chronic pain issues for some condition that I presume keeps him home in bed or at least at the terminal all day. I feel for him and can only wonder what it must be like. I do not mean to pry but you do seem very bitter and certainly do attack people with false allegations and half truths taken out of context to serve your anti-spam crusade. Here is my point. The last time you attacked me was when I was introducing cupping treatment to people with arthritis who i sincerely believed would benefit from the treatment. They are free to make up their own mind based on what we presented and others had to say. I have in fact never charged for cupping over the many years I have done it and I set up the site with the sole intention of helping people to learn about something that might help them. My intention is clear - i will answer to my God as you will to yours - disrupting and hurting people the way your do with so much slander and false information (two identities) and that sort of foolishness. Then our friend, dear Paul found that we sold an eBook on the subject. I sell a few copies of this book and have literally given away more than we have sold. The price was under ten bucks. My point is this, everything you need to know about cupping was and is offered on the site. Anyone may come and partake of the services we provide for free - no cost whatsoever. We do believe Charity has a healing benefit and if offered it is not turned down because charity heals and protects - you can not refuse a genuine gift - it is wrong. We explain that as a matter of education only - people have lost that sense. My wife and I, that other identity, ahem, have driven hundreds of miles to help people and received nothing in return. That is alright, we are clergy - our goal is to serve people. NOW, Paul and friend are at it again, harassing us for, oh my God, selling onions. Onions that we have to order, test, research, store and then ship to people. We do it because NO ONE ELSE IS DOING IT! The Onions need to be of a certain variety and very pungent. Growers have worked hard to grow sweet onions, because they sell. So finding the best onions for cancer treatment is a royal pain in the butt. We could leave people to fend for themselves and they are free to fend for themselves. We have, without exception, offered every bit of information a person would need to find their own onions. The point is it is very difficult and most people could not tell a pungent onion from a sweet onion as they look identical. At some point in the future we are going to have to do lab tests on these varieties. So what is the solution Pauls and friends hardliner solution- blinders firmly in place - nothing better to do than to impress each other with how vicious they can be towards, oh my God, people selling something - their solution is that anyone sells something, no matter what the circumstances - we crucify them and public attack and humiliate them. Why? Because they say there is nothing Commercial allowed in these groups - and I would agree. But the spirit of that law is direct advertisement of products as a primary objective. Our primary objective is educating people about things that can really help them - people are free to choose. And as a minor part of what we do - we offer a few items that help people - in the case of onions - something they would be hard pressed to find the same quality on their own. So what is commercial. I have seen other attacks by these guys against people who really believe they are out to help people and yes, on the side they do something to pay for rice and beans. This is not the spirit of the NO COMMERCIAL ruling and most people understand that. These guys are way off base, but this has turned into their identity, their life, their crusade - it is down right scary that they have nothing better to do - LOOK at the volume of their post to get an idea how warped - what an addiction this is with them. Yes, very scary. So big Corporations can afford to develop non-profit organizations and association to "independently" promote their products and their own brand of services. Anyone who does not understand that that is in fact Commercial Enterprise is really deluded. It is the medical mafia game. Develop a site to promote independent research or studies when those organizations and people are paid by you and then use that so-called independent research to promote pills and treatments that you make millions from. Kickbacks, etc. ect. ect. No Commercial does not mean to cover an incidental related product offered as part of an educational effort to promote better understanding about a particular alternative form of treatment. We all know the difference when we see it - but not Paul, he and friends are on a serious mission. We will get your domain revoked, for what - selling a couple of onions. THESE GUYS ARE WAY OFF BASE and I like to hear if you others agree. If you do, it is time to report them for disrupting otherwise productive and useful posts - posts that are very popular with the majority of readers. These guys have turned into Cyber terrorists and it is not fare that they continue to spam these sites with their crusade of hatred. I still believe this is intentional - that these guys are paid disrupters - I simply can not imagine someone spending as much time doing this type of disrupting work without getting some COMMERCIAL Interest. God is the best of Judges. Peace. sigh - you've been busy posting to many of the groups i frequent - perhaps you will read that folk aren't buying your rationale. > I am seeing a trend here that I find very disruptive and I wonder if > anyone agrees. > > So much hate. no one hates you - we simply don't tolerate spam > I still believe this is intentional - that these guys are paid > disrupters - I simply can not imagine someone spending as much time > doing this type of disrupting work without getting some COMMERCIAL > Interest. you are peering into shadows and finding...only your wild imaginings. one step away from full kookdom > God is the best of Judges. > > Peace. | Cupper <info@brokenearth.org> fell face-first on the keyboard. This was the | result: news:1d662d21-7741-4a1c-ac94- [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] | Wow. All this time going to the doctors, tests, radiation, chemotherapy and | surgery - wasted. If only I had known the cure was a simple onion. Wow. If only you had, Marc, if only you had. | Boy, all those people who have spent years in school becoming oncologists, | researchers and all the other scientists sure must feel like fools for | wasting their lives away on such a useless career, when all we ever had to | do was go into the garden, grab a vegetable and drink it. Man. They sure must, Marc, they sure must. | I guess the global media must be in on the plot to keep cancer as | uncureable, eh ? Dirty bastages. I mean, this should be on the front page | of every newspaper and blaring from every tv and radio station but nope - | not a peep. Those danged government conspiracists. I guess they must be,Marc,I guess they must. | Wow. An onion. Who'd'a'thunk it ? I'll go out and drink five of them right | now. Sorry to J and everyone else for wasting their time asking for help | with my cancer when the solution was so simple and under our noses all | along. I guess I'll be cured by the time you read this. You do just that, Marc,you do just that. | To Cupper, for posting this life-saving bit of information: | | You are an idiot. No He aint, Marc, no he aint. | Marc Bissonnette | Looking for a new ISP? http://www.canadianisp.com | Largest ISP comparison site across Canada. Old Bill. | New studies on the benefits of onion juice for eliminating cancer have | just been concluded by researchers at Cornell University, confirming [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] | your cancer. Find out the proper procedures for onion juice treatment | at http://www.brokenearth.org/cancer Thanks,Cuppa, for a very interesting message with links. Quercetin is a wonderful substance whose benefits are only in recent years coming to light. Dr Patrick Quillin of Cancer Treatments of America has assembled some interesting data on quercetin: 'It has the potential to revert a cancerous cell back to a normal healthy cell,called prodifferentiation. Quercetin also induces apoptosis or programmed cell death in otherwise 'immortal' cancer cells. It inhibits inflammation by reducing histamine release and reduces tumour-cell proliferation... ... ... Quercetin may be one of the most potent anticarcinogens in nature.Among the reasons for this may be the fact that quercetin competes with oestrogen for binding sites,thus defusing the damaging effects of oestrogen in breast cancer. Quercetin is also a potent antioxidant.It inhibits capillary fragility which protects connective tissue against tumours in angiogenesis and mestastatis. Quercetin also interferes with mestasis by reducing cell aggregation or "stickiness". It helps to eliminate toxic metals through chelation.' [source:Carmen Wheatley, Ph.D.] Quercetin can be obtained from health shops: Holland and Barrett sell quercetin plus vitamin C Solgar sell Quercetin plus ester C, which is better. Best of all of course are the natural sources such as you quote.If you cannot handle very strong onions simply eat more of the milder ones. All of the allium family contain quercetin: chives,spring onions,leeks, onions,and of course, garlic, the most powerful of all. Did you know that Hippocrates prescribed garlic for his cancer patients? Thousands of years later it is being "rediscovered" by our scientists! I take the Solgar quercetin above, but I also eat the natural forms.I cooked myself a fry-up for lunch only today with half a large onion and 3 garlic cloves barely cooked just warmed up. (The meal contained 17 different ingredients, including herbs and spices) . Sorry if I seem to be taking over,keep the messages coming; it's nice to hear from you. Old Bill. Eat Healthy,keep well. Just a warning to everyone . . . The more popular this therapy becomes the more shills will be in here trying to make you think everyone is crazy who rejects the expensive standard of care being sold by the medical mafia. My advice, even though I departed from it myself, ignore them - it will drive them nuts. Peace and Blessings > Just a warning to everyone . . . He's selling e-books. J >> Just a warning to everyone . . . > > He's selling e-books. > J So what??? > >> Just a warning to everyone . . . > > > He's selling e-books. > > J > > So what??? Blasphamy! Selling eBooks, what is the world coming to? Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! Ahem, no e-books on onion juice therapy - everything you need you can obtain for free. We are working to provide quality medicinal onions, which takes a ton of research and effort - given that it has to be done on a region by region basis - and yes we will mark up the price of the onions we offer. But as one person stated, so what. Anyone is free to find the best onions they can find and give it a go. There is no bait and hook scheme going on here as on many other health related sites that say we have the cure for this or that and then demand money before they tell you what it is while you may be dying of the disease or condition. Anyone who doubts what we are doing should explore our site and see for themselves. www.brokenearth.org there is an article on Charity and Helaing which you all may find interesting. But this still will not stop the shills, they are desperate to kill this effort. Think of the money the medical industry will loose if this actually works as we claim and it catches on. Oh yes, I also decided to link to a juicer or two and yes we earn an amazing 10 percent of the sale to help us continue this work. Lets see, anything else. Oh yea, my wife and I live on less than 1,000 per month and no matter how much we take in that will not change. All the rest gors back to helping folks - you see, we are both clergy. Peace & Blessings. | > Just a warning to everyone . . . | | He's selling e-books. | J Thanks,'J' I must get some. Old Bill > "Cupper" <info@brokenearth.org> wrote in message > [...] > > Thanks,Cuppa, for a very interesting message with links. It's not Cuppa, it's Cupper. > Quercetin is a wonderful substance whose benefits are ------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: Hormone Active Pancreatic Cancer Dr. E. F. M.D. Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 20:30:28 -0000 From: "Old Bill" <matbeta@yahoo.com> Organization: Datemas.de http://www.datemas.de Newsgroups: alt.support.cancer Here is a link to what Cancer Research Uk has to say about Quercetin ------------------------------------------------------------------------ http://tinyurl.com/2e5jtq hormones and prostate cancer Cuppa is my ghetto name, fool! well, well, on the website it says that 'April 3, 2008 We are going to begin offering the highest quality organic onions for the onion juice cancer treatment.' you are so quick to label others as 'shills' - all the while chipping away for the bucks yourself... so you're not satisfied with one identity? tsk tsk and why would that be necessary? or even desired?... well, all that aside, your response is hardly that of a devote sufi now is it? i always appreciate when one such as yourself shows true colors. contact info used since at least aug '07 for this displaced entity [James M McConnell] is Tattan, Suzanne 100 Watson Dr Yale, OK 74085-9001 (918) 387-2361 > Cuppa is my ghetto name, fool! > well, well, on the website it says that 'April 3, 2008 We are going to > begin offering the highest quality organic onions for the onion juice [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > Yale, OK 74085-9001 > (918) 387-2361 Thanks Paul. Search all archives with the email to get the (overall) picture. Then search all archives with the email but add the word [space]RV[space] Talk later. J > > Cuppa is my ghetto name, fool! well we'll try to keep it down here james and i had a run-in a while back in another group - he's a tad irked as a result in finding me here - seems the poor thing has just now posted in many groups i frequent to complain about being called a spammer funny how he posts, every time he adds a product to the line... claims i am in the pay of big pharma [seriously...!] to keep him down, and that i am 'evil'... > > well, well, on the website it says that 'April 3, 2008 We are going to > > begin offering the highest quality organic onions for the onion juice [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > > > Cuppa is my ghetto name, fool! Seems you have issues . . . It never fails to amaze me that peopl put down those who provide a real service and ask something in return. You are really grabbing at straws here. If you looked at the website, as you clearly have, you would see that verything we do of a healing or religious nature is offered for free. The information people need to actually perform the health benefits and treatments we recommend are readily available on th esite for eeveryone to take from. If people want the convience and benefit of ordering our onions, yes, we will ask for compensation to off set the many charges and expenses in helping others for free. The world is up-side-down today. You ignore what we are doing and even work to destroy or discredit what we are doing, all the while the medical mafia bankrupts people with the tratment you seem to favor. You are welcome to it. Your judged according to your intention. What's yours? God knows. On Mar 30, 5:21 pm, "Paul T. Holland" <pholl...@bellatlantic.net> wrote: > well, well, on the website it says that 'April 3, 2008 We are going to > begin offering the highest quality organic onions for the onion juice [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > - Show quoted text - |
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