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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Cancer / March 2008Laetrile
http://whale.to/cancer/laetrile.html > http://whale.to/cancer/laetrilekills.html Strange how you decry the use of real medicine and encourage people to ingest cyanide and slowly poison themseves: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16175068 "We describe a case of severe cyanide poisoning arising from amygdalin, a putative vitamin supplement. A 32-year-old woman arrived in the emergency department by ambulance unresponsive, shocked and with fixed dilated pupils. She was hypothermic and tachycardic but was breathing spontaneously. Despite her age, she had documented breast cancer with hepatic metastases. Conventional treatment having failed, she only took 'vitamin supplements' bought on the Internet, her father said. Over the next 6 h she required mechanical ventilation and increasing doses of inotropes. Diabetes insipidus developed. As the appropriateness of further treatment was considered, a relative arrived with her medications including 'vitamin B 17' or amygdalin. An Internet search identified this as a debunked cancer remedy and cyanogen. " > >http://whale.to/cancer/laetrilekills.html > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > An Internet search identified this as a debunked cancer remedy and cyanogen. > " Excellent point! We often see Dr. Cee's bi-line stating you can't heal the world with poison and pus. But, Laetrile is an example that the alternative world certainly has tried! >Excellent point! We often see Dr. Cee's bi-line stating you can't >heal the world with poison and pus. But, Laetrile is an example that >the alternative world certainly has tried! You should know Adverse Drug Reaction deaths USA: 106,000 every year >>Excellent point! We often see Dr. Cee's bi-line stating you can't >>heal the world with poison and pus. But, Laetrile is an example that [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Adverse Drug Reaction deaths USA: 106,000 every year The source of this number? -- David Wright :: alphabeta at copper.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "Without Bush, what will America's schoolchildren have to look down on?" -- Bill Maher >>>Excellent point! We often see Dr. Cee's bi-line stating you can't >>>heal the world with poison and pus. But, Laetrile is an example that [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > The source of this number? JAMA. Try http://www.google.com/ > -- David Wright :: alphabeta at copper.net > These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. > "Without Bush, what will America's schoolchildren have to look down > on?" > -- Bill Maher http://www.worldwithoutcancer.org.uk/analysis13.html http://www.cancertutor.com/WarBetween/War_Evidence.html > > "JOHN" <j...@nospam.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Laetrile is not a pus or poison. It is a naturally occuring ingredient of normal human foodstuffs, and may well be a vitamin. However, using your "the dose makes the poison" argument, if the woman had purified laetrile she had a drug and not a natural foodstuff. She may well have used the wrong dose. However, the mere presence of a bottle of laetrile does not prove that laetrile caused the womans condition any more that an infant dying with in hours of a vaccine shot means that the vaccine killed the infant. That is your usual logic, correct? DrCee You cannot secure nor restore health with pus or poisons. On Mar 19, 1:02 pm, drcee...@insightbb.com wrote: > > > "JOHN" <j...@nospam.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > Laetrile is not a pus or poison. It is a naturally occuring > ingredient of normal human foodstuffs, and may well be a vitamin. "...may well be a vitamin"? What the hell kind of talk is that? A vitamin has to meet two criteria: A. Essential for human life B. Can't be synthesized in sufficient quantities. Laetrile is not essential. It is quite rightly classified as a poison. I guess the classes on Uranus taught poisons are vitamins and medicines are pus. Away from Uranus, that isn't true. > However, using your "the dose makes the poison" argument, if the woman > had purified laetrile she had a drug and not a natural foodstuff. She [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > - Show quoted text - http://www.worldwithoutcancer.org.uk/analysis13.html http://www.cancertutor.com/WarBetween/War_Evidence.html > On Mar 19, 1:02 pm, drcee...@insightbb.com wrote: > > [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > I guess the classes on Uranus taught poisons are vitamins and > medicines are pus. Away from Uranus, that isn't true. Sounds useless at both a safe dose and toxic doses. http://caonline.amcancersoc.org/cgi/reprint/41/3/187 J > Laetrile is not a pus or poison. It is a naturally occuring > ingredient of normal human foodstuffs, and may well be a vitamin. So are formaldehyde and Aluminum. Are you now in favor of them as a result? | The most important exclamation in science isn't "Eureka!" | | The most important exclamation is "What the BLEEP?" | +---------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ----------+ > In message <527ab562-714f-4180-938c-effddc693...@8g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, drcee...@insightbb.com wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > | The most important exclamation is "What the BLEEP?" | > +---------- D. C. Sessions <d...@lumbercartel.com> ----------+ How about some examples of formaldehyde being a normal and natural component of human foodstuff. Please do the same for aluminum, especially since pure aluminum does not exist, at least on the earth, maybe on Uranus. DrCee You cannot secure nor restore health with pus or poisons. >> In message <527ab562-714f-4180-938c-effddc693...@8g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, drcee...@insightbb.com wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> So are formaldehyde and Aluminum. Are you now in favor >> of them as a result? > How about some examples of formaldehyde being a normal and natural > component of human foodstuff. Please do the same for aluminum, > especially since pure aluminum does not exist, at least on the earth, > maybe on Uranus. Who said pure aluminum? I use the term in the same sense that you do when ranting about vaccines. Formaldehyde in foods? Some notables that are popular in your orthopathic circles: beetroot (35 mg/kg) pears (38-60 mg/kg) apples (6-22 mg/kg) kohlrabi (31 mg/kg) Most of the original source articles are pay-to-read, but some summary data is here: http://www.cfs.gov.hk/english/programme/programme_rafs/programme_rafs_fa_02_09.html As one observer commented, these foods would be illegal if used as building materials. Same on primary sources for aluminum, but here's one: vegetables (0.17-30 mg/kg) olive oil (19.5-70 mg/kg) http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1365-2621.2000.tb15980.x Some herbs (e.g. bay, oregano, and thyme) accumulate aluminum at up to 500 mg/kg. That, of course, is for natural foods and excludes those prepared with alum such as pickles. | The most important exclamation in science isn't "Eureka!" | | The most important exclamation is "What the BLEEP?" | +---------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ----------+ On Mar 19, 7:16 am, "HCN" <h...@nospam.com> wrote: > "JOHN" <j...@nospam.com> wrote in message > > news:8q2dncfsLuPWYkLanZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@bt.com... http://whale.to/cancer/laetrilekills.html > Strange how you decry the use of real medicine and encourage people to > ingest cyanide and slowly poison [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > cyanogen. > " Excellent point! lol, From another *gang member*..... the pharma gang http://whale.to/a/posse.html > "JOHN" <john@nospam.com> wrote in message > news:8q2dncfsLuPWYkLanZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@bt.com... [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > ingest cyanide and slowly poison themseves: > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16175068 She was hypothermic and tachycardic but was breathing spontaneously. Despite her age, she had documented breast cancer with hepatic metastases. Conventional treatment having failed. > "We describe a case of severe cyanide poisoning arising from amygdalin, a > putative vitamin supplement. A 32-year-old woman arrived in the emergency [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > including 'vitamin B 17' or amygdalin. An Internet search identified this > as a debunked cancer remedy and cyanogen. LOL! Internet search identified that a debunked cancer remedy and cyanogen. Now there is some science. Debunked by a *gang*! > " http://whale.to/c/quotes1.html > http://whale.to/c/quotes1.html L:aetrile does not even work well enough to sustain a high profile in alternative cancer practice. You will find hardly any alternative cancer clinics emphasizing its use,. although it is being promoted a bit more now than it was ten years ago, after some negative conventional studies, a failed search for definitely cured patients, and the emergence of shark cartilage and Hulda Clark as the cancer quackery du jour resulted in its almost complete disappearance off the alternative radar.. . There are numerous misrepresentation of the facts here < on a whaleto site? -- who'd have thought it? :-) > . For example, Manner could not get any effect of Laetrile on mouse mammary tumors when used alone (as Suguira also found if you should get around to reading Ralph Moss's account thoroughly). He only got results when he also injected the lumps with powerful proteolysis enzymes. Binzel is a very unreliable source -- I refer to some of the testimonials he offers in his book here http://www.users.on.net/~pmoran/cancer/how_to_read_a_testimonial.htm PM >> http://whale.to/c/quotes1.html > > L:aetrile does not even work well enough to sustain a high profile in > alternative cancer practice. You will find hardly any alternative > cancer > thoroughly). He only got results when he also injected the lumps with > powerful proteolysis enzymes. Make up your mind "Available scientific evidence does not support claims that Laetrile is effective in treating cancer or any other disease. "--ACS |
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