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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Cancer / March 2008glucose and benign brain tumors
] # http://breast-cancer-research.com/content/10/1/202/?mkt=154301 ] Tumor cells exhibit an altered metabolism, characterized by increased glucose uptake and elevated glycolysis I have a friend, whose child has pilocytic astrocytoma, receiving chemotherapy (Carboplatin/Vincristine), also receiving some infusions of 20% glucose. Do benign tumors exhibit increased glucose uptake as well, would it be suggested for child to limit sugar consumption, change clinic ? ] # http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2007-02/bc-bbi021907.php ] Ketocal - High-fat, low-carbohydrate diet significantly slows tumor growth and enhances health in mice ] # http://escholarship.bc.edu/dissertations/AAI1436013/ No need to reply on this part. I'm just expressing some surprise that there are so few pages about this "significantly slows tumor growth" Ketocal, when it supposed to be safe as "already used by people with epilepsy", news over a year old - just 7,250 in results google vs 4.2 M brain tumor, 8.8M epilepsy. Thank You > Do benign tumors exhibit increased glucose uptake as well, would it be > suggested for child to limit sugar consumption, change clinic ? If you really want to stop the tumor growth, load up on insulin and stop all caloric intake. That should reduce blood glucose to the point of completely stopping the tumors. It will also kill the child, but nothing is perfect. Bottom line: blood glucose is absolutely essential for life. Tumors are better at getting it from the bloodstream than health tissue. By the time you reduce blood glucose to the point of materially affecting tumors, you've lowered it to the point where healthy organ systems (think: central nervous) are in *really* bad shape. | The most important exclamation in science isn't "Eureka!" | | The most important exclamation is "What the BLEEP?" | +---------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ----------+ > In message <e02e8536-edb3-40c1-b656-c370a5e32...@p73g2000hsd.googlegroups.com>, 8281...@gmail.com wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > | The most important exclamation is "What the BLEEP?" | > +---------- D. C. Sessions <d...@lumbercartel.com> ----------+ a very uneffective treatment as you can see! ----------------------------------------- http://mesothelioma.mypressonline.com/index.html - Information and advice on Mesothelioma cancer >> In message >> <e02e8536-edb3-40c1-b656-c370a5e32...@p73g2000hsd.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > a very uneffective treatment as you can see! Hmph. My daughter is a type I diabetic, so I've got a little experience with this :) "Limiting sugars" wouldn't be of any help, since it isn't just the sugars that is turned into blood glucose (which is, indeed, the basic fuel for everything in the body), but all carbohydrates. While I am far, far from anything of an expert in cancer (Hell, I'm a complete newb, having been diagnosed less than two months ago), I would say the only reat dietary thing you can do for cancer, once you've got it, is to eat healthy - Follow Canada's Food Guide http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/fn-an/food-guide-aliment/index_e.html and get some decent excercise - In effect, keep the rest of your body healthy enough to do what it can to both fight off the cancer, but also to heal from the side effects of treatment.  SignatureMarc Bissonnette Looking for a new ISP? http://www.canadianisp.com Largest ISP comparison site across Canada. > Homenet <Edward.Stanyer@googlemail.com> fell face-first on the keyboard. I wish. Please ignore him. He's got no standing here. He's a pest whose trying to make money off mesothelioma patients. And it's best to not crosspost - almost always brings trouble here J - uncrossposted > Hmph. My daughter is a type I diabetic, so I've got a little experience > with this :) Well, that disqualifies you right there. Appreciation for parents of Type I kids; my brother's oldest is now at the point where he can (and does, nicely) manage his own sugar balance. It's a slog to get there, but two 40ish cow-orkers are living testimony that you can get there still quite healthy. Tip from an EMT: along with the alert bracelet, make a point of having her always have a glucose tube in her purse with instructions. > While I am far, far from anything of an expert in cancer (Hell, I'm a > complete newb, having been diagnosed less than two months ago), I would [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > healthy enough to do what it can to both fight off the cancer, but also > to heal from the side effects of treatment. There you go with sensible advice. You *REALLY* don't belong. | The most important exclamation in science isn't "Eureka!" | | The most important exclamation is "What the BLEEP?" | +---------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ----------+ > In message <Xns9A5E8290FDDA8dragnetinternalysisc@216.196.97.131>, Marc > Bissonnette wrote: [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Tip from an EMT: along with the alert bracelet, make a point of > having her always have a glucose tube in her purse with instructions. She's still a little young to carry a purse, but either my wife or I always have something with us, in case of a low (Juice, tube of icing, etc) - I've *got* to get her one of those Medic-Alert bracelets, though: Thanks for the reminder. >> While I am far, far from anything of an expert in cancer (Hell, I'm a >> complete newb, having been diagnosed less than two months ago), I [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > There you go with sensible advice. You *REALLY* don't belong. Usenet is funny like that :) SignatureMarc Bissonnette Looking for a new ISP? http://www.canadianisp.com Largest ISP comparison site across Canada. > [...]>> While I am far, far from anything of an expert in cancer (Hell, I'm a > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Usenet is funny like that :) I've answered the OP on sci.med.diseases.cancer That's where his type of post belongs. J On Mar 12, 10:31 am, Marc Bissonnette <dragnet\_@_/internalysis.com> wrote: > > In message <Xns9A5E8290FDDA8dragnetinternalys...@216.196.97.131>, Marc > > Bissonnette wrote: [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > Looking for a new ISP?http://www.canadianisp.com > Largest ISP comparison site across Canada. We're really getting off topic here (at least for ASC), but I have a question. Is juice/candy/icing/etc. really the best way to get the blood sugar levels up? My GP told me that potatoes raise blood sugar faster than table sugar, because their starch is loosely bonded glucose (or something to that effect). What about those glucose gel packets sold for exercise, like at bike shops? It seems like a couple of those in a purse would last a long time, and provide a very quick sugar boost when needed. But maybe I'm missing something important, as I'm not diabetic and have no training in this. --- CSM > We're really getting off topic here (at least for ASC), but I have a > question. Is juice/candy/icing/etc. really the best way to get the [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > sugar boost when needed. But maybe I'm missing something important, > as I'm not diabetic and have no training in this. Part of the problem is that when someone is going into insulin shock solid food is a Bad Idea. The glucose gel packs are pretty much the gold standard; there are little ones that are made specifically for emergency administration and even come with tongue depressors so that the stuff can be inserted orally where the oral mucosa will absorb direct to bloodstream. However, barring that, sucrose keeps pretty well and hydrolyzes to glucose and fructose readily. We used to say that a soft drink was a reasonable substitute, but in the USA they're all pretty much glucose-free and you don't want to wait for the liver to process fructose to get blood levels up. Which leaves little packets of table sugar: easy to administer to a less-than-alert patient, keep well, get blood sugar up fairly quickly. When you're dealing with something that can kill as quickly as insulin shock, the perfect really is the enemy of the good. | The most important exclamation in science isn't "Eureka!" | | The most important exclamation is "What the BLEEP?" | +---------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ----------+ > On Mar 12, 10:31 am, Marc Bissonnette <dragnet\_@_/internalysis.com> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 49 lines] > sugar boost when needed. But maybe I'm missing something important, > as I'm not diabetic and have no training in this. Well, my daughter's gone into a hypo-glycemic coma twice, now: Rubbing sugar into the sides of her mouth brought her blood sugar up both times, in the space of five minutes, after which orange juice, followed by solid food got her stable. Actually, to be more accurate: The first time it happened, her blood sugar was 0.8 and I got it up to 1.9 by the time the paramedics arrived (It happened at school) - They administered glucagon into her thigh immediately, which, of course, brought her right back up (followed by the requisite four hours of nausea and vomiting) Potatoes may well raise it faster if ingested (I honestly don't know), but when they're unconcious, you need to get it into the blood stream as quickly as possible - If not direct injection (i.e. glucagon), then rubbing sugar/icing into the sides of the inside of their mouth works best (Keeping in mind they're unconcious, so trying to get them to swallow anything raises all sorts of choking hazards). Of course, the *best* method is good blood sugar control/diet so that it doesn't happen in the first place :) SignatureMarc Bissonnette Looking for a new ISP? http://www.canadianisp.com Largest ISP comparison site across Canada. On Mar 12, 2:22 pm, Marc Bissonnette <dragnet\_@_/internalysis.com> wrote: > csm7...@hotmail.com fell face-first on the keyboard. This was the > result:news:2988aee3-979e-42c3-b3c0-0c2a9eb2574d@h11g2000prf.googlegroups.com: [quoted text clipped - 78 lines] > Looking for a new ISP?http://www.canadianisp.com > Largest ISP comparison site across Canada. Thanks, Marc & D. C. for the responses. It looks like I *did* miss something important---unconsciousness. I'm surprised that table sugar is much good, as I thought it (sucrose) was a fructose bonded to a glucose, and therefore would take some digestion. If that happens quickly, in the mouth, I guess it's not an issue. My understanding is that the exercise gels are glucose, so they still seem a safe, convenient option. The gel packs specially designed for this purpose, with tongue depressors, sound like an even better way to go. I'm glad I don't have to deal with this problem, but if I did, I'd keep a few of those handy. --- CSM > The gel packs specially designed for this purpose, > with tongue depressors, sound like an even better way to go. I'm glad > I don't have to deal with this problem, but if I did, I'd keep a few > of those handy. I'm a ski patroller, and we're required to carry them at all times. In ten years I've never needed to use it, but people I patrol with _have_ -- and not on the hill. In all seriousness, it can save someone's life at totally unexpected times. In training we heard of one case where a woman who likes sweetened coffee always carried some sugar packets for it, and ended up saving a life on a (bus? something like that.) I put sugar packets right up with a pack of gloves as "don't leave home without it" supplies. | The most important exclamation in science isn't "Eureka!" | | The most important exclamation is "What the BLEEP?" | +---------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ----------+ > In message <3740854c-1f2a-4499-ae3a-e97dcac03...@d21g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, csm7...@hotmail.com wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > | The most important exclamation is "What the BLEEP?" | > +---------- D. C. Sessions <d...@lumbercartel.com> ----------+ Sorry for the late response, but I missed your post somehow. I tried the glucose gel packs from a bike shop and didn't like them much (I just use extra-strength *orade), but now I think I'll get a few and keep them handy, just in case. I hope I never encounter someone going through insulin shock, but if I do, it would be great to be prepared. I hope yours remain unused. --- CSM > On Mar 12, 2:22 pm, Marc Bissonnette <dragnet\_@_/internalysis.com> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 81 lines] > --- > CSM They used to sell glucose tablets in drug stores, but if I recall correctly, the little candy hearts they sell for Valentine's Day (with little slogans on them) are pretty much the same thing, aren't they? And Necco wafers? SignatureMarshall Price of Miami Known to Yahoo as d021317c > They used to sell glucose tablets in drug stores, but if I recall > correctly, the little candy hearts they sell for Valentine's Day (with > little slogans on them) are pretty much the same thing, aren't they? > And Necco wafers? No, they're sucrose. However, they work nicely since sucrose hydrolyzes to fructose and glucose so it still gets the stuff to the patient pretty quickly. | The most important exclamation in science isn't "Eureka!" | | The most important exclamation is "What the BLEEP?" | +---------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ----------+ >>> In message >>> <e02e8536-edb3-40c1-b656-c370a5e32...@p73g2000hsd.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > healthy enough to do what it can to both fight off the cancer, but also > to heal from the side effects of treatment. I cured some kind of growth (I thought it was an actinic keratosis, but perhaps it was a basal cell granuloma?, or something) on my temple recently by following advice I found either at "Doctor Yourself" or "Orthomolecular.org" (I forget which), but it was simple: I applied pure ascorbic acid to it three times a day. It was gone in about three days! The article I found sounded kind of quack-ish, but even the most scholarly of scientists can have trouble writing dispassionately when they know they're onto something. SignatureMarshall Price of Miami Known to Yahoo as d021317c > Hmph. My daughter is a type I diabetic, so I've got a little experience > with this :) > > "Limiting sugars" wouldn't be of any help, since it isn't just the sugars > that is turned into blood glucose (which is, indeed, the basic fuel for > everything in the body), but all carbohydrates. For type 1s, protein also raises blood glucose, albeit more slowly and inefficiently. > While I am far, far from anything of an expert in cancer (Hell, I'm a > complete newb, having been diagnosed less than two months ago), I would [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > healthy enough to do what it can to both fight off the cancer, but also > to heal from the side effects of treatment. Many cancers are closely associated with high insulin levels, or hyperinsulinemia. Lowering insulin requirements, whether endogenous or exogenous, would be an excellent idea. Lowering carbs by cutting out starches and sugars and limiting them to colorful, leafy, high fiber veggies would be a healthy intervention, along with relying more on protein and fat for less metabolic and oxidative stress. Two supplements worth researching for cancer fighting and treatment are IP6 (inositol hexaphosphate) and vitamin D3, both of which have quite a lot of good, peer reviewed scientific support. Susan > x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > IP6 (inositol hexaphosphate) and vitamin D3, both of which have quite a > lot of good, peer reviewed scientific support. Here's a link to a recent "Science News" article, "Weighty Evidence," that you may find informative: http://www.sciencenews.org/articles/20080216/bob9.asp SignatureMarshall Price of Miami Known to Yahoo as d021317c |
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