On Jan 2, 5:18 am, Old Jinglebollocks
<Old.Jinglebollo...@googlemail.com> wrote:

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Incidentally, how exactly did Doctor Robert Mendelsohn die?

Did the ruling group "do him in?"

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But you wouldn't, would you? Unless you have studied all the literature. You
can't rely on the Daily Mail to tell you about such things.
See eg
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2004/02/24/MNG
V356T3K1.DTL

There is no good reason for blaming vivisectionists, and by trying to ban
surgery you discredit the anti-vivisectionist movement.

Your lovely Latin Lady was no fool, and obviously had other reasons for
discarding you as a friend.  Plainly you thought that a person with a
re-routed urethra was rather disgusting and perhaps you could only see her
as a sex object.  You should take a hard look at yourself.

I bet you had.  I daresay it was quite a load off her mind not to have to
"face" you and your criticisms after she had taken the difficult decision to
undergo life-saving surgery.

On Jan 2, 3:08 pm, csm7...@hotmail.com wrote:

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Why bother?
We surrendered to the vivisection syndicate in 1990.
We're just passing the time now, placing these cyphers on computer
screens.
Sometimes we get a laugh out of it.............. though I'm not quite
sure what your joke was, CSM.

Ultimately the "joke" is on all of us.
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Begin extract from IMPERATRICE NUDA by Hans Ruesch, also
titled "Slaughter of the Innocent," pages 9 to 11, upon which
further comment would be superfluous:

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"The Great Drug Deception" by Dr Ralph Adam Fine (Stein and
Day, New York, 1972) is just one of the many books published in
the last decade on the subject of dangerous and often lethal
drugs, but it achieved no practical results. Health
authorities, as well as the public, stubbornly refused to take
cognizance of the fact that all those drugs had been okayed and
marketed after having been proved safe for animals. Actually it
is unfair to single out just a few dangerous drugs, since there
are thousands of them.

Of course the fallacy works both ways, precluding the
acceptance of useful drugs. There is the great example of
penicillin - if we want to consider this a useful drug. Its
discoverers said they were fortunate. No guinea pigs were
available for the toxicity tests, so they used mice instead.
Penicillin kills guinea pigs. But the same guinea pigs can
safely eat strychnine, one of the deadliest poisons for humans
- but not for monkeys.

Certain wild berries are deadly for human beings, but birds
thrive on them. A dose of belladona that would kill a man is
harmless for rabbits and goats. Calomelan doesn't influence the
secretion of bile in dogs, but can treble it in man.

The use of digitalis - the main remedy for cardiac patients and
the saviour of countless lives the world over - was retarded
for a long time because it was first tested on dogs, in which
it dangerously raises blood pressure. And chloroform is so
toxic to dogs that for many years this valuable anesthetic was
not employed on patients. On the other hand a dose of opium
that would kill a man is harmless to dogs and chickens.

Datura and henbane are poison for man, but food for the snail.
The mushroom *amanita phalloides*, a small dose of which can
wipe out a whole human family, is consumed without ill effects
by the rabbit, one of the most common laboratory animals. A
porcupine can eat in one lump without discomfort as much opium
as a human addict smokes in two weeks, and wash it down with
enough prussic acid to poison a regiment of soldiers.

The sheep can swallow enormous quantities of arsenic, once the
murderers' favourite poison.

Potassium cyanide, deadly for us, is harmless for the owl, but
one of our common field pumpkins can put a horse into a serious
state of agitation. Morphine, which calms and anesthetizes man,
causes maniacal excitement in cats and mice, but dogs can stand
doses up to 20 times higher than man. On the other hand, our
sweet almonds can kill foxes and chickens, and our common
parsley is poison to parrots.

Robert Koch's Tuberkulin, once hailed as a vaccine against
tuberculosis because it cures TB in guinea pigs, was found
later on to CAUSE TB in man.

There are enough such instances to fill a book - all proving
that it would be difficult to find a more absurd and less
scientific method of medical research (than animal
experimentation).

Moreover, the anguish and sufferings of the animals, deprived
of their natural habitat or habitual surroundings, terrorized
by what they see in the laboratories and the brutalities they
are subjected to, alter their mental balance and organic
reactions to such an extent that ANY result is a priori
valueless.

The laboratory animal is a monster, made so by the
experimenters.

Physically and mentally it has very little in common with a
normal animal, and much less with man.

As even Claude Bernard (1813-1878), founder of the modern
vivisectionist method, wrote in his Physiologie Operatoire
(page 152): "The experimental animal is never in a normal
state. The normal state is merely a supposition, an
assumption."

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Somebody launched the idea of breeding strains of
bacteriologically sterile laboratory animals...................

One delusion spawned another. Consistent failure made certain
of those misguided scientists realize - some haven't realized
it yet - that organic "material" raised under such abnormal
conditions differs more than ever from normal organisms.
Animals so raised never develop the natural defence mechanism,
the so-called immunological reaction, which is a salient
characteristic of every living organism. So it would be
difficult to devise a less reliable experimental material.
Besides, animals are by nature immune to most human infections
- diphtheria, thyphus, scarlet fever, German measles, smallpox,
cholera, yellow fever, leprosy and bubonic plague - while other
infections, such as TB and various septicemias, take up
different forms in animals. So the claim that through animals
we can learn to control human diseases could seem a sign of
madness if we didn't know that it is just a pretext for
carrying on "experiments" which, however dangerously misleading
for medical science, are either intimately satisfying for those
who execute them, or highly lucrative.

The Swiss nation illustrates well to what extent the profit
motive promotes vivisection: with a population of less than 6
million, Switzerland uses up annually many times as many
laboratory animals as does all of Soviet Russia with its 250
million inhabitants, but where there is no money in the making
of medicines.

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-End of extract from IMPERATRICE NUDA / "Slaughter of the
Innocent" by Hans Ruesch, pages 9-11.

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I said further comment on Hans Ruesch's words would be
superfluous.

Nevertheless I just want to reiterate what I've stated earlier:

.........that to toss a coin would be a MUCH more reliable method of
testing a new substance for its safety for human beings than to
shove it down an animal's throat.

If we toss a coin, we'll get it right fifty per cent of the
time.

Heads it's safe, tails it's unsafe.

By contrast, if we grant our permission to our ****head
imbecile scientists to carry out animal tests, the errors
multiply in geometric progression until we don't know whether
we are coming or going. The result is the avalanche of "animal
tested" poisons flooding into the environment at an
accelerating rate which will soon strangle the earth's life
support system

Just read your newspaper (with your eyes open this time) to see
what vivisection is doing to you.

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The Vivisection Swindle is sacrosanct. It is the major symptom of
humanity's collective mental illness.
It is our major means of collective suicide.
Nobody will face up to it.
They will only keep seeking to substitute the *fake debate* for the
reality.

Where are we all going with this?

When an entire civilisation becomes insane, what is next step?