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Frank Sharkey - 16 Jun 2007 00:41 GMT
My pain meds are now reduced to below 180 Mg's a day. this chemo I'm
taking the Moncodial ANtibodoies. Must be doing their stuff, The only
pain I feel know are from my treath, I was told chemo could daage them.,
and with all of the Morphine I had  been using the 1 1/2 yrs. If
anything were to go wrong I wouldn't feel it.  Seems to me a I have at
least$3-$5K in Dental repair I'm looking at. Ouch!

I wonder if state Medical Ins will cover some or all the Dentl repairs?

Frank
betsyb - 16 Jun 2007 02:27 GMT
> My pain meds are now reduced to below 180 Mg's a day. this chemo I'm
> taking the Moncodial ANtibodoies. Must be doing their stuff, The only pain
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>
> Frank

Gosh, I hope so but it dosen't here in NJ. No dental.  I have needle nosed
pliers if that is any help? Between the morphine and the thoughts of the
bills, might be an option for you.
J - 16 Jun 2007 10:33 GMT
> My pain meds are now reduced to below 180 Mg's a day. this chemo I'm
> taking the Moncodial ANtibodoies. Must be doing their stuff, The only
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> Frank

Hello Frank,
I don't know if State medical covers. Based on what Betsy posted, I would
think not.
If it doesn't, there's a clinic here
http://www.atsu.edu/asdoh/community/dental_clinic.htm
Looks like it's in Phoenix. There could be one closer to you, but in a
different State?
Looks like they charge approx 50% the going rate, but I don't know :
a) if they are open/"manned" through the summer months
2) Whether there's a waiting list.
If you go, make sure you tell them you want a written quote (approximation).
Take a list of all your medicines and medicine allergies.  They would
probably also want to know your then/current blood counts.
Here, where I liee, a checkup consists of a dental hygienist doing teeth
cleaning and noting any suspicious areas.
Then the dentist comes in, reads the chart, has a look, sometimes focusing
on one tooth or another, and decides if any x-rays are needed.
Then tells the patient what work needs to be done.  At this point, you could
pick the most urgent and do the rest as you are financially able.
You'd have to call and verify if that's how it works there and how much the
initial consult costs ( ask price of x-rays separate, in case they are not
required)
Keep your oncologist apprised of what's planned.
I hope it can get sorted for you.
Keep in touch and let us know, in case I or someone else thinks of another
way to get you help.
J
J - 16 Jun 2007 10:49 GMT
> If it doesn't, there's a clinic here
> http://www.atsu.edu/asdoh/community/dental_clinic.htm
> Looks like it's in Phoenix. There could be one closer to you, but in a
> different State?

Other dental schools are listed here (US and Canada)
http://www.adea.org/DMS/InstLinks/default.htm
For you or others who might be needing.
J
Frank Sharkey - 19 Jun 2007 08:03 GMT
>>My pain meds are now reduced to below 180 Mg's a day. this chemo I'm
>>taking the Moncodial ANtibodoies. Must be doing their stuff, The only
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> way to get you help.
> J

the site to you refer is nearly 300 miles awa 1 way.
frank
J - 21 Jun 2007 01:27 GMT
> >>My pain meds are now reduced to below 180 Mg's a day. this chemo I'm
> >>taking the Moncodial ANtibodoies. Must be doing their stuff, The only
[quoted text clipped - 37 lines]
> the site to you refer is nearly 300 miles awa 1 way.
> frank

I hear you Frank.
Are any of the others' suggestions panning out for you?
J
islavision2004@yahoo.com - 16 Jun 2007 12:17 GMT
> My pain meds are now reduced to below 180 Mg's a day. this chemo I'm
> taking the Moncodial ANtibodoies. Must be doing their stuff, The only
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> Frank
>Hide quoted text

Happy to learn that you need less pain meds Frank, really good news.
Sorry can't help about dentists in the States.

isi
Alex - 16 Jun 2007 15:28 GMT
On Jun 16, 7:17 am, islavision2...@yahoo.com wrote:

> > My pain meds are now reduced to below 180 Mg's a day. this chemo I'm
> > taking the Moncodial ANtibodoies. Must be doing their stuff, The only
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>
> isi

I agree with isi that this is good news, when you stop to worry about
your teeth and not cancer, I see this as progress. It maybe a good
idea to have your teeth cleaned while undergoing treatment. If you
have medicaid it may cover some basic services such as teeth
cleaning , fillings, and extractions but this varies by state.. When
times are better, look for dental insurance since this helps with
dental care and is fairly inexpensive. Blue Cross Dental, Delta Dental
and United Health are rhe most common carriers here in the northeast.

Also your oncology clinic my have a relationship with a dental clinic
and assist you in getting basic care.
Alex

PS The Dentists my family has had interactions all ask for detailed
medical history. In fact my dentist did cancer research while in
dental school.
Peter - 16 Jun 2007 20:34 GMT
> My pain meds are now reduced to below 180 Mg's a day. this chemo I'm
> taking the Moncodial ANtibodoies. Must be doing their stuff, The only
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> Frank

What state are you in? I'm in Minnesota and dental is covered here by MN
Medical Assistance. The only trouble is finding a dentist that will
accept MA.
Peter
Frank Sharkey - 19 Jun 2007 08:06 GMT
>> My pain meds are now reduced to below 180 Mg's a day. this chemo I'm
>> taking the Moncodial ANtibodoies. Must be doing their stuff, The only
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> accept MA.
> Peter
I'm in AArizona the southern part nea the us/mexico boarder,
frank
islavision2004@yahoo.com - 19 Jun 2007 12:47 GMT
> >> My pain meds are now reduced to below 180 Mg's a day. this chemo I'm
> >> taking the Moncodial ANtibodoies. Must be doing their stuff, The only
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> I'm in AArizona the southern part nea the us/mexico boarder,
> frank- Hide quoted text -

Hi Frank

Are there any Universities or medical schools in your area?  They may
have a dental school, where you could go see a dentist.  I used to go
to a dental school for treatment in UK it was very good, the students
were just about to qualify and always worked under the constant
supervision of a senior member of staff.

Even if it's a bit of a hike to get there it' may be worth it if you
can make the journey, for free quality treatment.

Good luck
isi
Frank Sharkey - 21 Jun 2007 10:22 GMT
>>>>My pain meds are now reduced to below 180 Mg's a day. this chemo I'm
>>>>taking the Moncodial ANtibodoies. Must be doing their stuff, The only
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> Good luck
> isi

Isi:
The nearest one is run by Arizona State Univ (ASU) 325 miles north of
here. I live in the middle of th southwest desert Tday was 109*F
tomorrow is going to be 113*F (45C)! and the rest of the week the same.
I don't have the money or the time to drive 4.5 hrs north to have my
teeth worked on. Plus most dentist won't work on you when you are having
chemo and radiation like me. I'll have to wait 1/2 a yr so before
anything can be done.
Frank
islavision2004@yahoo.com - 22 Jun 2007 12:12 GMT
> islavision2...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
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> anything can be done.
> Frank- Hide quoted text -

Frank
I understand, it's a long way and for sure you would have to go more
than just the once, if they are going to give you any treatment.
Hope you have a good A/C system to keep the heat outside.  I love the
desert, and lived for a while in the Sahara (without A/C young and fit
then haha)  a most beautiful place the space is incredible - so
freeing.
Isi
J - 22 Jun 2007 18:37 GMT
> >>>>My pain meds are now reduced to below 180 Mg's a day. this chemo I'm
> >>>>taking the Moncodial ANtibodoies. Must be doing their stuff, The only
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
> anything can be done.
> Frank

Hi Frank,
I wondered about doing dental during treatment. Now you've answered the
question.
So what's the plan?  Increase the pain meds for the teeth?

How's it going with chemo and RT?
Keep in touch...
J
Alex - 23 Jun 2007 15:13 GMT
> Isi:
> The nearest one is run by Arizona State Univ (ASU) 325 miles north of
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>
> - Show quoted text -

That is true most dentist will only clean the teeth during treatment.
In a half year alot can change ( for the better!). I have heard many
people go to Mexician Dentist since they are much cheaper. Would that
be an option for you? I'll be in Phoenix next week and not looking
forward to the heat.

Alex
'
Figgertoes - 25 Jun 2007 04:11 GMT
Alex <usenetgirl@gmail.com> wrote in news:1182607981.606466.218940
@q69g2000hsb.googlegroups.com:

>> Isi:
>> The nearest one is run by Arizona State Univ (ASU) 325 miles north of
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> Alex
> '
A friend in San Diego gets all her treatment there.  There's some sort of
organized transportation just for that.  She is very pleased with her
care.  From reading, it appears people are flying from everywhere to have
major dental work done in Mexico.

But I'm not sure it's wise for a cancer patient to take this route.  
Frank, if you do, I hope your onc approves & specifies any limitations or
special care.  You don't need any infections/problems.

Fig
DLU - 26 Jun 2007 18:38 GMT
> Alex <usenetgirl@gmail.com> wrote in news:1182607981.606466.218940
> @q69g2000hsb.googlegroups.com:

>>>I don't have the money or the time to drive 4.5 hrs north to have my
>>>teeth worked on. Plus most dentist won't work on you when you are
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>>>
>>>- Show quoted text -

There are several dentist just across the border from Yuma who are well
known by the snowbirds who take their RVs there for the winter.

I have a friend who had implants done at 1/3 the price of an American
dentist.
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Figgertoes - 27 Jun 2007 02:41 GMT
DLU <David@justthe.net> wrote in news:Aacgi.1081$Od7.174
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>> Alex <usenetgirl@gmail.com> wrote in news:1182607981.606466.218940
>> @q69g2000hsb.googlegroups.com:
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> I have a friend who had implants done at 1/3 the price of an American
> dentist.

I would be interested to know if a flex spending account would reimburse
for this.  I have the sort of account you put money into to cover copays &
things not covered by insurance.  I think if I incurred medical expenses
while traveling, it would cover, so I'd guess it would cover this as well.  
Implants are SO expensive.  If your friend is pleased, where did she go
please?  And did she get all done in one trip?

Fig
DLU - 27 Jun 2007 03:19 GMT
> DLU <David@justthe.net> wrote in news:Aacgi.1081$Od7.174
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>>>Alex <usenetgirl@gmail.com> wrote in news:1182607981.606466.218940
>>>@q69g2000hsb.googlegroups.com:

>>There are several dentist just across the border from Yuma who are well
>>known by the snowbirds who take their RVs there for the winter.
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>
> Fig

He and his wife sold their condo in LA and were traveling to see the
country.  They would stay in an RV park on the California side of the
river, on I8.  I do not know where they went, I will try to see if I can
contact them.  I have not heard from them for over a year.  He had
diabetes and last I heard he had to have a leg amputated.  He was a
studio carpenter with Universal for several years, worked hundreds of TV
shows and movies.  Unfortunately the diabetes was catching up to him.  I
will call and see if his cell phone is still connected.

Anyway, there is a whole winter community near the border where you can
find out where and which dentists to go to.
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Alex - 27 Jun 2007 15:13 GMT
> > I have a friend who had implants done at 1/3 the price of an American
> > dentist.
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> - Show quoted text -

Frank does work and he does have a FSA, for middle and upper income
people this is a good option,
I have used the FSA the only draw back is you have to project you
needs a year in advance,
Figgertoes - 28 Jun 2007 03:46 GMT
>> > I have a friend who had implants done at 1/3 the price of an
>> > American dentist.
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> I have used the FSA the only draw back is you have to project you
> needs a year in advance,

I agree I don't like that feature.  You often can't anticipate well.  I
usually over-estimate & if I don't use it, I get new eye glasses.  I'm
not doing it this year, but by reading I see I could pay my health club
membership pre-tax using this because my doc would write that I need it
for a particular problem (knees).  Likewise, my new bike & all it's
frills could have been paid for that way.  Bike, trainer, rack,  helmet,
etc, etc > $1800, so savings would have been substantial.  Learn from me
& my mistakes!!!

Fig
J - 16 Jun 2007 21:27 GMT
> My pain meds are now reduced to below 180 Mg's a day. this chemo I'm
> taking the Moncodial ANtibodoies. Must be doing their stuff, The only
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> Frank

Victibix can cause mouth sores, Frank. (and other problems)
Maybe start with oncologist looking in your mouth?
And/or ask if the magnesium/calcium can cause tooth pain?
So hard to know what's causing the pain.
J

http://cancer.unm.edu/drug_dictionary.aspx?id=38577
When should patients notify their physician?

Patients should inform their physician when they experience:

   * Rash or other skin or nail abnormality,
   * Fever,
   * Chills,
   * Difficulty breathing or shortness of breath,
   * Persistent or severe fatigue,
   * Abnormalities involving the eyes,
   * Mouth sores,
   * Extreme or persistent nausea and vomiting,
   * Persistent diarrhea, or
   * Acute onset or worsening pulmonary symptoms,

What can patients do to help alleviate or prevent discomfort and side
effects?

   * Pay careful attention to the physician’s instructions and inform the
physician of any side effects.
   * Maintain adequate rest and nutrition.
   * Wear sunscreen and protective clothing and try to minimize sun
exposure.
   * Drink plenty of fluids. (Patients should ask their physician about the
amount of liquid to consume during a day.)
   * If possible, avoid large crowds and people who are sick or not feeling
well because this drug may leave some patients susceptible to infection.
   * Eat small meals frequently to help alleviate nausea.
   * For mouth sores, patients should rinse their mouth three times a day
with a salt and soda solution (8 ounces of water mixed with ½ to 1 tsp
baking soda and/or ½ to 1 tsp salt) and brush their teeth with a soft
toothbrush to help prevent the development of mouth sores.

(package insert) http://wwwext.amgen.com/pdfs/products/vectibix_pi.pdf
Laboratory Tests: Electrolyte Monitoring Patients should be periodically
monitored for hypomagnesemia, and accompanying hypocalcemia, during and for
8 weeks after the completion of Vectibix™ therapy. Institute appropriate
treatment, eg, oral or IV electrolyte repletion, as needed (see WARNINGS:
Electrolyte Depletion)
Giuditta - 17 Jun 2007 11:41 GMT
>> My pain meds are now reduced to below 180 Mg's a day. this chemo I'm
>> taking the Moncodial ANtibodoies. Must be doing their stuff, The only
[quoted text clipped - 56 lines]
> treatment, eg, oral or IV electrolyte repletion, as needed (see WARNINGS:
> Electrolyte Depletion)

Frank...thank God you're okay. I responded at your MySpace and didn't hear
back. I was worried about you. Here in Mississippi, a person can see a
dentist through their Medicaid/Medicare. There is also University of
Tennessee close by in Memphis with a dental school where one can go...maybe
check out any colleges (med schools) near you.. Even though students are
getting practice, a dentist is right there with them...

Good Luck, Frank,
Check out your MySpace
Peace Out,
Giuditta
steven3@Treat-Cancer.nl - 20 Jun 2007 10:18 GMT
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