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fungus among us : interaction with glow-in-the-dark throat ?
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Uncle Sally - 27 May 2007 23:31 GMT Hi,
I saw my GP today, and he prescribed oral Mycostatin therapy for my throat, which he believes has a severe fungal infection. Also once per day Flucozole (Fluconazole) 200 mg. (giant) tablet for five days at which point I check back in with GP.
I've re-read J.'s Steph's, and J. Wilder's very helpful posts in March summarizing oral care and medicinals, and which mention Nystatin. And, just because I "must," read the usual manufacturer's spec sheets and side-effect information on the internet.
If these medicines do have a rapid palliative effect on what-once-was-a-throat-and-tongue, I am going to have to think about how I can best persuade my RO doctors to at least more closely evaluate when someone like me repeatedly asks if the extreme oral pain and swelling could be complicated by an infection, or thrush, or a fungal infection, interacting with the effects of RT.
On the other hand if these drugs don't help, I guess I'll have to talk to my GP about not being too quick to go after a fungus.
In any case I am always happy to see my GP who is a remarkably "happy" person. He is an American trained Thai who has his own small clinic which he runs exactly as he likes complete with small laboratory. He is a perennial favorite with expats, and also with local Thais, and I know for a fact that he provides almost-no-cost care for many members of ethnic minority groups (usually Burmese Christians of the Akka, Karen, Lisu, tribal groups) who are in Thailand "off the books" because of the usual reasons (war, the threat of enslavement for forced labor and persecution by central Burmese government, poverty).
Uncle Sally
Janet Wilder - 28 May 2007 00:40 GMT > Hi, > > I saw my GP today, and he prescribed oral Mycostatin therapy for my throat, > which he believes has a severe fungal infection. Also once per day Flucozole > (Fluconazole) 200 mg. (giant) tablet for five days at which point I check > back in with GP. Can you swallow the "giant" tablet? I am wincing just thinking about it.
Still keeping you in my thoughts and prayers and hoping you make a speedy recovery from the radiation.
Hugs from Texas, Janet
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Matti Narkia - 28 May 2007 01:56 GMT >Hi, > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >On the other hand if these drugs don't help, I guess I'll have to talk to my >GP about not being too quick to go after a fungus. Nystatin is good against fungal infections, but may lose some of its efficacy over time. Another compound, which IMHO nicely could assist Nystatin in the fight against oral and throat fungal infections is bee product Propolis. I've used propolis for years and am quite happy with the results. Propolis has a wide spectrum of antimicrobial effects, it works also against bacteria and viruses. It has anti-cancer effects, too. And it has especially nice feature for H&N cancer patients, who are going or have gone through radiation therapy: it has a mild local anaesthetic action. It mildly numbs the throat and mouth, when used superficially for example by gurgling with propolis extract-water mixture or by sucking a propolis lozenge. Numbing effect is so mild, that it does not disturb swallowing function.
Propolis is also available as capsules or tablets to be swallowed. These have systemic immunostimulating and immunomodulating effects helping to move T-helper cell Th1/Th2-balance from excessive Th2-dominance towards Th1-response.
Propolis can cause allergic reactions on people who are prone to them. Therefore it's best to start with extremely small dose to see, if any allergic reaction develops, and only slowly increase the dose, until the possibility of an allergic reaction can be ruled out with a great enough probability.
Below some propolis related links:
Propolis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propolis>
"Propolis is a wax-like resinous substance collected by honey bees from tree buds or other botanical sources and used as cement and to seal cracks or open spaces in the hive. Its color varies from green to brown and reddish, depending of its botanical source. Honey bees will use propolis to attempt to seal any gap inside the hive that is smaller than 3/16" or 1/4" (5 mm or 6 mm) while they leave themselves a bee space of approximately 9.5 mm, or 3/8", larger spaces being filled with wax comb. [...] Depending upon its precise composition it may show powerful local antibiotic and antifungal properties. Also it is generally efficient in treating skin burns. Claims have been made for its use in treating allergy; it may stimulate the immune system, but some warn that it should not be taken if the user is likely to have severe allergic reaction to bees, as small fragments of bee exoskeleton may be present. Old beekeepers recommend a piece of propolis kept in the mouth as a remedy for a sore throat."
A Comprehensive Guide on Bee's Propolis <http://www.beepropolis.info/>
MedlinePlus Herbs and Supplements: Propolis <http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/druginfo/natural/patient-propolis.html>
Propolis - InteliHealth <http://www.intelihealth.com/IH/ihtIH/WSIHW000/8513/31402/346981.html?d=dmtContent>
Propolis <http://www.pdrhealth.com/drug_info/nmdrugprofiles/nutsupdrugs/pro_0294.shtml>
"RESEARCH SUMMARY have shown anti-bacterial, anti-viral and anti-fungal effects. It shows activity in culture against a broad spectrum of pathogens, including influenza and herpes viruses, as well as HIV and various fungal and bacterial organisms.
In a study of school children, an aqueous propolis extract was judged effective in reducing the incidence and intensity of acute and chronic rhinopharyngitis. In another study involving 10 volunteers, it exerted activity against oral bacteria. A Cuban study concluded that propolis is more effective than tinidazole against giardia.
Propolis has a high concentration of caffeic acid esters that some believe may give it some antitumor properties. In two studies, extracts of propolis fed to rats have inhibited azoxymethane-induced colonic tumors.
In vitro studies have shown propolis-related anti- inflammatory effects. Various extracts of propolis have also shown anti-inflammatory activity in animal models, particularly against adjuvant-induced arthritis.
More research is needed to further explore these preliminary findings."
Propolis- The Most Natural Antibiotic <http://www.elements.nb.ca/theme/ethnobotany/propolis/propolis.htm>
Canadian Honey Council - Propolis <http://www.honeycouncil.ca/users/folder.asp?FolderID=4667>
Medical Journals Document Value of Bee Propolis, Honey and Royal Jelly <http://www.nutritionreporter.com/bee_stuff.html>
Propolis - Herbs & Supplements - Drug Library - DrugDigest <http://www.drugdigest.org/DD/PrintablePages/herbMonograph/0,11475,4068,00.html>
Propolis heals herpes lesions faster than acyclovir <http://www.herbs.org/current/propolis.htm>
Scientific propolis references from Medline:
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J - 28 May 2007 02:04 GMT > >Hi, > > [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > the possibility of an allergic reaction can be ruled out with a great > enough probability. 677 lines !!! I think you need your head examined, Matti. J
Matti Narkia - 28 May 2007 02:11 GMT >> >Hi, >> > [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] >I think you need your head examined, Matti. >J Most of it is scientific references, which are only supportive material and can be skipped by non-technical readers.
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Matti Narkia - 28 May 2007 15:15 GMT >>Hi, >> [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] >mixture or by sucking a propolis lozenge. Numbing effect is so mild, >that it does not disturb swallowing function. Studies about propolis' antifungal effects against Candida summarized:
Antifungal activity of propolis on various candida <http://www.beepropolis.info/propolis-info/benefits/candida-specicies/candidaspec ies.html>
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J - 28 May 2007 02:01 GMT > I saw my GP today, and he prescribed oral Mycostatin therapy for my throat, > which he believes has a severe fungal infection. Also once per day Flucozole [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > be complicated by an infection, or thrush, or a fungal infection, > interacting with the effects of RT. Best wishes, uncle sally. I hope it works for you. J
J - 28 May 2007 02:03 GMT > > I saw my GP today, and he prescribed oral Mycostatin therapy for my throat, > > which he believes has a severe fungal infection. Also once per day Flucozole [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > I hope it works for you. > J Oh, I forgot to say that, I think it was isi, who was on an antibiotic that covered both fungal and bacterial infections. J
Mike Radcliffe - 28 May 2007 03:06 GMT > Hi, > [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > >> Uncle Sally It's not a bad assumption to make that anyone having chemo and / or dxrt to head and neck and develops a sore mouth / throat may have thrush and take mycostatin anyway. Your GP sounds very sensible to me. MIKE
Steph - 28 May 2007 08:37 GMT > Hi, > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > side-effect > information on the internet. I have a very low threshold to prescribing antifungals to a any cancer patient
Uncle Sally - 28 May 2007 09:56 GMT Steph wrote :
... excerpt of Uncle Sally's original post snipped ...
"I have a very low threshold to prescribing antifungals to any cancer patient."
Thanks, Steph.
I can generate several 'hypotheses' from your comment :
1. Fungal infections are very common among cancer patients, and side-effects, risks, of treatment are minimal, and cost of treatment is relatively low. (?)
2. Definitive diagnosis may be complicated and/or expensive (?) so (in light of #1) there's little risk to prescribing, and some possible benefit from treatment at low-cost : so, "why not" (?)
3. Fungal infections of throat are more prevalent among H&N patients (?)
What would be useful would be to have more information about what a clinician usually observes as a response to Fungal treatment :
1. assuming fungal infection present in an RT damaged throat : is there a rapid change (slow change ?) in acute symptoms (pain, soreness, trouble swalllowing) ? Which symptoms do change ? What change in symptoms confirms presence of fungal infection ?
2. any 'behaviors' that can help or work-against getting fungus free ? For example, better not to drink cold beverages, sleep in air-con rooms ?
And ... the mind wanders here, helped to walk-about by Fentanyl :) ... could some other factor pre-dispose to chronic fungal infection : being the love-slave of a divine kitty cat who's out every day bringing down big lizards and small birds and who likes to wake me up at 5am by licking my head ... high presence of spores, mold, funguses in a rainy season tropical country where one thing you never do is drink the tap-water.
regards, Uncle Sally
"Half this game is ninety-percent mental." Yogi Berra
J - 28 May 2007 11:02 GMT > Steph wrote : > [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > head ... high presence of spores, mold, funguses in a rainy season tropical > country where one thing you never do is drink the tap-water. Too much over-analyzing. If you had diabetes, or on steroids, could be worse. Flora in your mouth has been put out of balance. When i have a problem with that, I use nystatin drops in warm water. Rinse, swish, gargle and sometimes swallow (if the thrush has spread downwards) probably after each meal or maybe more frequently. And get a new toothbrush. Your divine kitty brings you lizards eh? Ours was bringing mice; plop right on the table while we're eating. (eviserated.yuck!) She can't find any so far this year, so she brought us a baby bird, a BIG baby bird, still alive, couldn't find the nest and/or nests too high, so gave it to the girl next door to see if she could save it. It's eyes were still closed but was hungry. My guess is it died, but we tried. My cat licks hair, then chews at it, if that doesn't work, she kisses me - smack on the mouth, over and over. That's an attention getter...usually wants to go out for walk. If I get up and use computer, she sits in front of monitor and/or shreds paper, until we go for walk, Speaking of which...later. J
Steph - 28 May 2007 16:13 GMT > Steph wrote : > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > side-effects, risks, of treatment are minimal, and cost of treatment is > relatively low. (?) Yes
> 2. Definitive diagnosis may be complicated and/or expensive (?) so (in > light > of #1) there's little risk to prescribing, and some possible benefit from > treatment at low-cost : so, "why not" (?) Candida is often easy to diagnose, but may not be.
> 3. Fungal infections of throat are more prevalent among H&N patients (?) Especially having RT and chemo
> What would be useful would be to have more information about what a > clinician usually observes as a response to Fungal treatment : [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > swalllowing) ? Which symptoms do change ? What change in symptoms confirms > presence of fungal infection ? Usually the pain caused by the fungus will ease very quickly- over 24-48 hours. Of course pain due to the RT or drugs will not, and often there are both things going on
> 2. any 'behaviors' that can help or work-against getting fungus free ? > For > example, better not to drink cold beverages, sleep in air-con rooms ? Keep well hydrated.
> And ... the mind wanders here, helped to walk-about by Fentanyl :) ... > could [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > tropical > country where one thing you never do is drink the tap-water. Most fungal infections are from your own fungi - not the cat's
> regards, Uncle Sally > > "Half this game is ninety-percent mental." Yogi Berra islavision2004@yahoo.com - 29 May 2007 12:39 GMT Has anyone tried the old fashioned remedy to ease sore mouths "honey and borax" ? I don't know if it's any good or not, I just remembered it, from where I am not sure.
isi
Matti Narkia - 29 May 2007 13:34 GMT >Has anyone tried the old fashioned remedy to ease sore mouths >"honey and borax" ? I don't know if it's any good or not, I just >remembered it, from where I am not sure. Could be worth trying. Honey is a bee product like propolis, which seems to work against recurrent canker sores a.k.a. aphthous stomatitis:
Samet N, Laurent C, Susarla SM, Samet-Rubinsteen N. The effect of bee propolis on recurrent aphthous stomatitis: a pilot study. Clin Oral Investig. 2007 Jun;11(2):143-7. Epub 2007 Feb 7. PMID: 17285269 [PubMed - in process] <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=Abstra ctPlus&list_uids=17285269>
"Recurrent aphthous stomatitis (RAS) is a common, painful, and ulcerative disorder of the oral cavity of unknown etiology. No cure exists and medications aim to reduce pain associated with ulcers through topical applications or reduce outbreak frequency with systemic medications, many having serious side effects. The purpose of this pilot study was to evaluate the potential of a product to reduce the number of outbreaks of RAS ulcers. Propolis is a bee product used in some cultures as treatment for mouth ulcers. In this randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled study, patients were assigned to take 500 mg of propolis or a placebo capsule daily. Subjects reported a baseline ulcer frequency and were contacted biweekly to record recurrences. Data were analyzed to determine if subjects had a decrease of 50% in outbreak frequency. The data indicated a statistically significant reduction of outbreaks in the propolis group (Fisher's exact test, one sided, p = 0.04). Patients in the propolis group also self-reported a significant improvement in their quality of life (p = 0.03). This study has shown propolis to be effective in decreasing the number of recurrences and improve the quality of life in patients who suffer from RAS. Propolis should be evaluated further in a larger sample clinical trial."
Propolis of course has also antifungal activity
Antifungal activity of propolis on various candida <http://www.beepropolis.info/propolis-info/benefits/candida-specicies/candidaspec ies.html>
and it's a local anaesthetic and has analgesic effects:
Paintz M, Metzner J. On the local anaesthetic action of propolis and some of its constituents. Pharmazie. 1979 Dec;34(12):839-41. PMID: 545354 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=Abstra ctPlus&list_uids=545354>
Paulino N, Teixeira C, Martins R, Scremin A, Dirsch VM, Vollmar AM, Abreu SR, de Castro SL, Marcucci MC. Evaluation of the analgesic and anti-inflammatory effects of a Brazilian green propolis. Planta Med. 2006 Aug;72(10):899-906. Epub 2006 Aug 10. PMID: 16902858 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=Abstra ctPlus&list_uids=16902858>
Paulino N, Dantas AP, Bankova V, Longhi DT, Scremin A, de Castro SL, Calixto JB. Bulgarian propolis induces analgesic and anti-inflammatory effects in mice and inhibits in vitro contraction of airway smooth muscle. J Pharmacol Sci. 2003 Nov;93(3):307-13. PMID: 14646248 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=Abstra ctPlus&list_uids=14646248>
de Campos RO, Paulino N, da Silva CH, Scremin A, Calixto JB. Anti-hyperalgesic effect of an ethanolic extract of propolis in mice and rats. J Pharm Pharmacol. 1998 Oct;50(10):1187-93. PMID: 9821669 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=Abstra ctPlus&list_uids=9821669>
Ledon N, Casaco A, Gonzalez R, Merino N, Gonzalez A, Tolon Z. Antipsoriatic, anti-inflammatory, and analgesic effects of an extract of red propolis. Zhongguo Yao Li Xue Bao. 1997 May;18(3):274-6. PMID: 10072950 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=Abstra ctPlus&list_uids=10072950> <http://www.chinaphar.com/1671-4083/18/274.pdf> (free full text)
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islavision2004@yahoo.com - 29 May 2007 14:26 GMT > >Has anyone tried the old fashioned remedy to ease sore mouths > >"honey and borax" ? I don't know if it's any good or not, I just [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Matti Narkia Hi Matti
Yes it helps a spoonful or two :-) of clear runny honey does ease some of the pain, in my case. isi
islavision2004@yahoo.com - 29 May 2007 14:28 GMT This whole fungus issue is interesting. I have in the past read many web sites which suggest that cancer and fungal infection are inter linked in some way. From my non-academic browsing many even seem to suggest that fungus is a catalyst of cancer, or maybe I am misreading.
Personally I had my first ever fungal experience last year, it was on my feet and toe-nails, I didn't have a clue what it was going on, so kept washing my feet in tea-tree and that kept in under control. This was accompanied by extraordinary pain in my knees, followed by enlarged lymph nodes at the groin. A couple of months later my cancer was discovered.
What I wonder is why there seems to be a connection between cancer and fungus. How does that work? Do a large percentage of cancer patients get problems with fungus. Is it the same fungus for most of these?
Has anyone else noticed this in themselves? Is a fungal attack a symptom of cancer, or perhaps the other way around?
Would clearing the system of fungus, (which seems to be impossible) be a step to clearing or slowing the cancer? Any thoughts?
isi
Steph - 30 May 2007 16:10 GMT > This whole fungus issue is interesting. I have in the past read many > web sites which suggest that cancer and fungal infection are inter > linked in some way. From my non-academic browsing many even seem to > suggest that fungus is a catalyst of cancer, or maybe I am misreading. Fungal infections are more common in people with cancer. That does not mean fungus causes cancer. Correlaltion does not imply causation.
> Personally I had my first ever fungal experience last year, it was on > my feet and toe-nails, I didn't have a clue what it was going on, so [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > isi
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