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Caz - 17 Mar 2007 13:33 GMT Hi Giuditta.
I have been reading all your posts, and I'm so sorry for the situation you are in. I know how unbearable it is to watch the one you love suffering, knowing there is nothing you can do to ease their pain. My son had cancer, they never did locate the primary. He had adenocarcinoma (sp) It ended up in his bones, and the pain that boy suffered, well I can't even find the words to describe it. He had enough meds to take an elephant out. I don't even know how he knew his own name, but mentally he functioned just fine. Anyway the reason for my post is, doesn't Don have a portacath? Scott (my son) had two lots of chemo via a vein in his arms. The first time it burnt his vein so bad, the second one in the other arm wasn't so bad. After that he had a portacath put in his chest. It was so much easier, plus they could take blood from it and give him some of his other meds through it I believe. No more poking for veins. Although I don't think they could give a blood transfusion through it though.
Best wishes to you and your family.
Caz. Scott's mom
Giuditta - 17 Mar 2007 19:02 GMT > Hi Giuditta. > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > Caz. > Scott's mom Hi Scott's mom,
How horrid to have a child in pain like that. I am so so sorry. As a mom, I feel your pain. Thank you for writing me and sharing your child. I often wonder if experiencing those we love in pain prepares us for that place, that I do believe in, where no pain exists.
My hands are shaking so exucse any typos. It breaks my heart to hear what you've been through with your son. Are you okay?
We've heard patients at the cancer clinic speak highly of their port-a-caths (sp?). I think Don needs one, it would be easier on him. When his vein was flushed with salt water yesterday, it burned like hell, and he had that done to him four times, once for each transfusion. He hasn't complained about any pain yet from the chemo line so maybe that's why they haven't done the portacath...
Yesterday, the nurse at the CC said they were going to do another type scan, and if everything looked significantly improved, they would let him sit a few weeks before starting any other chemo that wouldn't be carboplatin because she said that it was bad about attacking the bone marrow.
I wasn't aware that they were considering more chemo this soon. It seems to be killing him little by little. But it's his choice, according to the oncologist.
I see him walking and wonder how he's doing that with such a low blood count. He's pale with dark circles around his eyes. I don't know what's going on because when I ask, all they say is that it's normal...
Thanks about the info, and I will check it out.
God bless,
Giuditta
Caz - 17 Mar 2007 19:53 GMT >> Hi Giuditta. >> [quoted text clipped - 53 lines] > > Giuditta I have good days and bad days, unfortunately the bad ones last a lot longer than the good ones. Scott died on the 24/12/05 at 4:20pm I remember it like it was yesterday. I don't know if 4:20 means anything to pot smokers there, but it does to a lot of people my son included. I think he chose his time!I will never accept my sons death or get used to it. I look at his pictures with his beautiful smiling face and wonder how it can be possible.I can't begin to describe the things he went through due to the side affect of all the meds he was on, but then I'm sure you know from what you see Don going through. His legs and feet swelled so much that his feet would weep, he ended up with stretch marks from his knees to his toes, it just broke my heart to watch this, and still does to think about it. I try not to think about it because as soon as I do, I feel a blackness coming over me, so I have to try and push it away. When he did try to sleep he had to be sitting up, because he couldn't lay down because the pain in his back was so bad. He went from a strong 23 year old to a old frail man in 6 months, then he was gone. And how very sad does this sound, but as soon as he left his body, he looked at peace, all the pain gone from his face.
I'm sorry I didn't mean to go on like that. Please do find out about a portacath though, it really was an enormous help for my son, versus having needles poked in him all the time.
You know you never have to feel bad about venting, especially here. I wished I had known about this place when my son was going through it. It is a good place with a lot of good people.
Best wishes and ((hugs))
Caz. Scott's mom
Alayne - 18 Mar 2007 11:25 GMT > I have good days and bad days, unfortunately the bad ones last a lot > longer than the good ones. Scott died on the 24/12/05 at 4:20pm I remember [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > Caz. > Scott's mom Hi Caz,
I've just read your post and wanted to send you a Warm Hug to help ease your grief. I know it's very cliche and probably seems impossible to you right now, but time is a great healer and although the pain never completely disappears it certainly becomes more manageable. One day the memories of your son will evoke smiles rather than tears. I lost my husband to a brain tumour when he was 40, we'd been together 20 years and I thought life would be unbearable without him, there is still a hole but I know that he would not have wanted me to grieve forever.
Warm Hugs
Alayne
Caz - 18 Mar 2007 11:35 GMT >> I have good days and bad days, unfortunately the bad ones last a lot >> longer than the good ones. Scott died on the 24/12/05 at 4:20pm I remember [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > > Alayne Thanks for the hugs Alayne. Today is a bit of a tough day. I lay awake most of last night thinking about my son, and try as I might to smile at the happier memories all they bought were tears.
Best wishes.
Caz. Scott's mom
Alayne - 18 Mar 2007 17:09 GMT >>> I have good days and bad days, unfortunately the bad ones last a lot >>> longer than the good ones. Scott died on the 24/12/05 at 4:20pm I [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] > Caz. > Scott's mom It's still early days for you Caz, I'm in my fourth year now and whilst I still have the odd moment, it's nothing like it was.
More Warm Hugs
Alayne
Giuditta - 18 Mar 2007 14:29 GMT >>> Hi Giuditta. >>> [quoted text clipped - 87 lines] > Caz. > Scott's mom Hi Scott's MOM again,
God love your little heart, girl. So, Scott left at 4.20 ... I know what that is, and I'm not a pot smoker. I see Scott as having a sense of humor, a unique quirkiness, a young man whose aura is missed by many.
I can't imagine losing a child, but I feel your pain. Is Scott your only child? Was he healthy until he was 23? What was Scott like before he got sick? Does it make you feel better to talk about him? My husband says the newspaper reporter surfaces, and that I can get info from people quicker than he can say hello, but it's not just having a nose for facts. People intrigue me.
As I read about Scott, I envisioned him, and I hope this doesn't sound crude or too off-topic, but you're quite a gifted writer even though the subject matter is painful to you. This tragedy could help others in similar situations through a book about your Scott. Have you thought about it?
When parents lose children, no, they're never quite the same. Who would be? You've experienced pure hell, you know hell intimately. Scott's life and experiences could be a vessel for others to find some sort of peace, knowing they aren't alone in their pain.
Non-fiction, especially stories of this caliper, sell better than fiction and the most purchased are self-help books. Maybe you could do this with the goal of raising funds for research. You could turn tragedy into triumph in Scott's name. You have the passion, motive and the talent.
Think ... what would Scott want. I wrote a book about my best friend, a guy I grew up with, who died of AIDS a few years ago. While writing, it was like he came back to me, and I remembered so many fun times we had as I made my main character him, Michael. I found myself sitting at the computer laughing and crying ... it overpowered the pain of losing him ... almost ...which was the beginning of my healing process.
Just a suggestion. You're good at description, so a character-driven personal account would suit your writing style. Let the reader get to know Scott through his growing-up years then get to the nut of the story, grab them with that. Go on Oprah and tell the world that research is needed ... do it for Scott and others.
Just from reading you, I know you can do it. You have a free editor/proof reader right here. The book will sell itself.
Two friends of mine have lost children, and they struggle every day. One child was nine when a tree branch fell on him, splitting his aorta. He would be 14 now, and his mom will always blame herself. Another mom lost her teenager to suicide after he got off into hard drugs, and now she works with a suicide prevention group, raising money for that organization ...
You're right about this being a good place to vent and that good people are here, so you shouldn't apologize for venting either.
I pray that you have a blessed and peaceful day. You are on my heart and in my thoughts.
Big warm hug, Giuditta
Figgertoes - 18 Mar 2007 17:43 GMT > As I read about Scott, I envisioned him, and I hope this doesn't sound > crude or too off-topic, but you're quite a gifted writer even though [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > Just from reading you, I know you can do it. You have a free > editor/proof reader right here. The book will sell itself. Giuditta, I think you're on to something. Maybe some could write individual books, but what about...
Do you know of any books that are compilations of cancer stories? I can see including Penny's story, which could be taken partially from her blog & from her family. We have posts to look back on too. Annie is a gifted writer too (her son is living with CML) as is Caz & you. There are others. Include a variety of treatment options & outcomes. It could be a catharsis for the writers as well as a help to others beginning the journey.
Certainly, this would not be a book about choosing treatments but more of the human side. The common element is asc & how people come together to get/give support, sometimes simultaneously. What do you think?
Fig
Giuditta - 19 Mar 2007 11:57 GMT >> As I read about Scott, I envisioned him, and I hope this doesn't sound >> crude or too off-topic, but you're quite a gifted writer even though [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] > > Fig Fig, I think you had a great idea here...why not compile a book of stories, remembrances ... why can't everyone in this newsgroup contribute that wants to...a collective effort.
Think about people out there that don't even have computers and don't have a support group or access to newsgroups because they don't even know about them. If I didn't have you all, honestly, I don't know what I would do for support, understanding, empathy.
You and others on here have great writing skills. Why not? We all have the passion because of the people we love, and we're living through a kind of hell that just keeps on destroying people we care about. I know there's an awareness about cancer but knowing the intimate side of the monster needs to be related.
Maybe I'm a dreamer, but the whole world needs help. I wonder about places like Iraq, Iran, Korea. Does cancer tear these folks lives apart, too. Is there some common ground where people from all over begin to relate in love instead of war. Couldn't love overpower hate?
Could some good come from this loss we share? How many people don't have coping skills, no one to vent to, no one to turn to ... thousands I'm sure. Just like me ... I have a huge family, but I can't talk to them about this like I can here...they're too afraid and just tell me that "Dad's gonna be okay, don't worry."
But Dad's not okay. Fig, you really are on to something. What do you think? We all have our stories, we can help others, we can fund more research and bring more awareness to the intimate side of this...we're not just numbers, statistics; we're human beings with pain and heartbreak...
Mentioning pain, Don's is worse. He had two units of blood and two platelets, but yesterday he could not get warm. He had on a hoodie over his head, an electric throw over him and a quilt. He's been up all night in pain even though he has a ton of pain meds. I wouldn't leave him for our grandson's birthday party, but now I have to leave him for work and am even contemplating not going there. I want to go to his blood check today because I have a feeling that he might have to be admitted to the hospital for more blood today.
I'm scared for him and for all of us. How can I be at work, knowing he's going through this. Mimi will take him, and I know she'll take care of him, but I also know he needs me with him. He thinks the blood transfusions are causing the pain to be worse. I think the nurse mentioned that could happen...that's what he said. Is that true?
He looked so pale and weak yesterday. This hurts too bad doesn't it?
Giuditta
J - 19 Mar 2007 12:22 GMT > Maybe I'm a dreamer, but the whole world needs help. I wonder about places > like Iraq, Iran, Korea. Does cancer tear these folks lives apart, too. http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2005-09-13-caregivers_x.htm More than 1 million children in the USA take care of sick or disabled relatives, shopping, feeding, dressing, medicating and even changing adult diapers, a government-financed study finds.
But child caregivers largely have remained hidden and often stay silent because they fear being separated from parents.
Most care for parents and grandparents who have ailments such as Alzheimer's disease and cancer. At least 75% get some help, but half say they spend a substantial amount of time caregiving. And even those who are not the primary caregiver perform many tasks by themselves.
"Sometimes lower- to mid-income families really fall through the cracks," says Nancy Law of the National Multiple Sclerosis Society, which assists young caregivers.
According to the study, 58% of child caregivers help with at least one routine daily activity, such as bathing, dressing, getting in and out of beds and chairs, eating, and using the toilet or changing adult diapers. Nearly all help with shopping, household tasks and meal preparation, the report says.
___________________________________________________________ Oprah showed some families where the "caregiver" child was caring for one or more ill adults, plus 3 or 4 siblings, getting them off to school, getting themselves off to school and having to leave the sick ones at home, until the siblings got home to take over, until the "caregver child" got home to take over. I imagine it's happening in Canada as well. They stick to themselves for fear the Child services or INS will split them up. J
Figgertoes - 19 Mar 2007 14:07 GMT >> Maybe I'm a dreamer, but the whole world needs help. I wonder about >> places like Iraq, Iran, Korea. Does cancer tear these folks lives [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > Canada as well. They stick to themselves for fear the Child services > or INS will split them up. J I did some of this as a teen & was even taught how to hook my mother up to the dialysis machine at the hospital if no one there was available in an emergency. Never happened. Hardest part was getting wheelchair into/out of car trunk, putting up with her screaming demands, and not getting to see my friends. If I asked to go out for a coke, my mother told me we had plenty of cokes in the fridge!
I didn't realize it was temporary; my mother was dying. I had no idea of that & knowing would have made it easier to cope. My younger sister & I thought this was to be our lives from then on. My mother refused to let people see her as she was on steroids & cheeks/stomach puffy. So we had far less household help than we had before she became ill. There was a routine around irrigating her surgical wounds. My mother was temperamental & difficult. Socks was opposite. Big difference.
Giuditta.s Mimi is college age & volunteered.
I feel for kids put in this position. Helping out at home to me is a good thing, but it can be carried too far & too much responsibility can rest on people too young to take it on. I wonder what happens if a crisis occurs.
Fig
Figgertoes - 19 Mar 2007 13:44 GMT >>> As I read about Scott, I envisioned him, and I hope this doesn't >>> sound crude or too off-topic, but you're quite a gifted writer even [quoted text clipped - 99 lines] > > Giuditta Got to run this morning. Glad you have Mimi & that she was willing to take this on. None of us really know what we're taking on when it comes to caring for a person with advanced cancer.So you're going to work & then will see what happens? That makes sense.
Socks got chills & sweats too, even when not running a fever. I just kept tucking him in & then changing him, the bed linens, pillow, everything. Sometimes towel on pillow. Glass of water nearby to try to prevent dehydration due to sweating. It's dry here, so I could put pillows out in sun to dry/freshen. There is a juniper that looks naked without the pillows now. I liked the fragrance the juniper imparted & it allowed air circulation around the pillow. LOL.
Fig
Giuditta - 20 Mar 2007 00:11 GMT >>>> As I read about Scott, I envisioned him, and I hope this doesn't >>>> sound crude or too off-topic, but you're quite a gifted writer even [quoted text clipped - 114 lines] > > Fig Glad I went on to work after all. Mimi took Don, and his blood count was up a bit, and his pain is less. Wednesday he'll see the onc., and he'll decide about another type scan to see what's going on in there.
He seems better, much better than yesterday. You always have good ideas on how to help him.
It seems that I'm just now facing the fact that he's not going to live forever like this, and it's made me shaky all day...how does a person get through that annoying thing?
Giuditta
J - 20 Mar 2007 01:34 GMT > It seems that I'm just now facing the fact that he's not going to live > forever like this, and it's made me shaky all day...how does a person get > through that annoying thing? You get through it one day at a time, knowing that the decision is not yours, you have no control over the situation and that you are a strong person who will survive this. Hugs J
Figgertoes - 20 Mar 2007 06:04 GMT >> It seems that I'm just now facing the fact that he's not going to >> live forever like this, and it's made me shaky all day...how does a [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Hugs > J Well put, J.
Fig
Caz - 20 Mar 2007 11:15 GMT >>>> Hi Giuditta. >>>> [quoted text clipped - 146 lines] > Big warm hug, > Giuditta Hi G.
Yes Scott had a sense of humor. He had a lot of friend, he touch many hearts. I have never in my life seen so many young men cry as I did when Scott died. It broke my heart to see. He certainly made sure he won't be forgotten.
Scott had childhood ailments nothing serious. He had a car accident when he was 19 and had to have his liver sown back together. Scott is my only child, the light of my life and the very best part of me.
Scott was a very loving child, love to cuddle, bright as a button, full of fun. He was like any teenager a bit mouthy on occasion, spent more time hiding the mess in his bedroom, than it would of taken him to put things away properly, but generally pretty good. He went off the deep end a bit when his dad and I split up. He never graduated high school, but could off with his eyes shut, he was smart as a whip. (in the grand scheme of things I guess that doesn't really matter) He was a black belt in Tae Kwon Do. Did many competitions, had several first place trophies and medals. I was so proud of him, it would make me cry to watch him, win or not it didn't matter, he was always a winner to me. He floundered a bit when it came to working, didn't really know what he wanted to do, then one day he went on a job with a friend brick laying and that was it he found what he wanted to do. Got himself an apprenticeship, he loved it so much. He was working nights where his dad works, then going to school during the day, and he was passing his causes, the guys where his dad worked were praising how hard he worked, his dad was finally proud of him! Then it all went down hill. The pain in his back was getting so bad he could hardly stand. He was going to the doctor, got pain meds and kept going. Went to a chiropractor, and kept going. He was in so much pain, he was so strong. Finally after his dad lost his temper with a doctor, Scott got a scan, and thats when our lives all fell apart. Scott switched doctors to the most wonderful man I've ever had the pleasure of meeting. He rushed all Scott tests so he wasn't waiting for too long. Scott's whole team were wonderful. There were two student nurses in the hospital, about the same age as Scott, maybe a year or two younger, but they both fell in love with him, they were always popping in and out of his room every time they past. Sat by his bed at night, and cried when he got sicker and sicker.... Oh dear, I do run on, sorry for being so long winded.
Thank you so very much for saying I can write, never thought of myself as a good writer, thought I was quite crap at it actually.... I'll leave it there I think.
Best wishes.
Caz. Scott's mom.
Giuditta - 20 Mar 2007 23:02 GMT >>>>> Hi Giuditta. >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 193 lines] > a good writer, thought I was quite crap at it actually.... I'll leave it > there I think. No, keep going Caz. Don't stop writing. I was getting all into visualizing Scott, getting to know him, and then you stopped. I know it has to be hard for you, remembering, so forgive me if I am making you feel sad. I don't know what works for you. Writing my book about Michael was my therapy, but Micheal wasn't my son.
I want magic words for you, flowing mystical words that will take the edge off your pain, and I detest that I am at a loss for those words. I hurt with you, for you ...
Cliches are just cliches that don't mean anything at times like these. You must be a strong lady because you're up, you're typing, you're existing.
I have this ministry that I started through email a few years ago where my friends, family, and even people I don't know (those who read my column) email me and tell me that they need prayer or they know a friend who needs prayer, and sometimes the person wants to remain anonymous, but I still list the prayer request because I figure God knows who it is...
Anyway, it's kind of crazy, and I call it Six Flags Over Jesus. People write about miracles in their lives, marriages and births, etc. It's a prayer chain actually, and many people are praying for each other. I'm just the instrument that gets the requests out there.
Of course, there's no money involved, nothing like that, just something I felt led to do one day when so many folks I knew had problems. Some refer to it as SFOJ. Would you mind if I put you on the prayer chain?
After I send the requests to all my email buddies, they forward them to their buddies, and last summer we found out that it has gone around the world ... I'll explain.
We had two teenagers in Oklahoma that were struck by lightening. One had a cell phone in his pocket, and they were almost in the house when lightening hit a tree, bounced to the cell phone and into the boys. They were in ICU for months, and we referred to them as our lightening boys.
One day this guy comes to the hospital and asks if he can see the lightening boys. The young man was from France and said he read about them on SFOJ and had been praying for them...cool huh?
I believe in the power of prayer, and since I'm a backsliding Catholic, ths is my way to help people in my own way. So, I would be glad to add you to our list of folks who need prayer for strength and peace.
If you'd like, I can email you the last one I sent out so you can see what it is. My email address is jmarrs@myspeedworks.com so if you'd like to be added or just read one, send me your email address...it's okay if you're not interested...
So, let me know and anyone else who would like prayer can do the same...
Please don't take this as some scam or something where I'm getting anything but a sense of peace from the ministry ... that's not who I am. I just felt led to mention it.
I feel that we're all in the same bowl of alphabet soup in this world, and I can't accept that we're just brought to this earth to live, hurt and then die. There has to be more than that or what the hell, we could all just drink Jim Jone's Kool Aid and off ourselves.
And it's not a ministry where I try to convert people, nothing like that ... it's serious and humorous, too. I mean, God, look at the name of it, and I don't mean to be disrepectful just real.
Oh, I have to tell you one more thing...(excuse my longwindedness). I had a student last year who was in some trouble, and we were afraid he'd be sent from our facility to training school. His charge was fighting a kid who had been bullying him.
He was with us all year (I teach at an alternative school for teenage felons and behavioral problem students.) Every day Chris (my student) asked if I would read a positive message from this calendar that my sister created that's based on Bible verses.
Chris's attitude started to change, the chip flew off his shoulder, and he asked me to put him on SFOJ for prayer. He was a sad teenager whose brother was killed in an automobile accident at the age of 24. Chris told me that he wanted to change his life for his brother and that he wanted to get back in reguilar school and play football for his brother, too..
We began to pray for his wish, and through a miracle, he was allowed back in school last August in time for football practice. This was his senior year, and he had never played football for a school.
I was reading the paper in the fall and saw where he recovered a fumble and ran 78 yards for a td to win over their rival team. We teachers all sent him a card, telling him how proud we were of him. A few weeks ago, I read that he received a scholarship to Auburn and was voted MVP of his high school team.
So, if you ever hear about Chris Zinn playing for the NFL some day, you'll know that his faith got him there. I love stories like that, and we have a lot of them on SFOJ.
Sorry for going on and on ... hope some of it made you smile.
love and hugs! Giuditta
Caz - 22 Mar 2007 10:58 GMT >>>>>> Hi Giuditta. >>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 291 lines] > love and hugs! > Giuditta Hi G.
Please don't take offense, but I'm not religious. There were so many people praying from all over the world for my son to get better, and I had to watch him get worse day by day, just to watch him die at the end of all his suffering. I'm happy that your belief works for you and for anyone else that it works for.
He suffered so much without complaint. Our lives revolved around doctors and hospital visits. He banned most of his friends from seeing him, there were a certain few he allowed in, but not many. They all called all the time wanted to see how he was. They were all so heartbroken. He kept telling them he was going to get better.
One time when he was in hospital he stood in front of me and said "I don't want to die mom" I felt like my heart exploded in my chest. I didn't know what to say to him, I just hugged him. I stayed in the hospital with him every time he had to be there. Even when he had to have his chest cavity drained. 5 and a half litres of fluid they drained from him. He liked his doctor, he was operated on by James Bond :-) The only time I left him, was when I had to go home shower and change, then I came right back. Even when he was home we slept in the same room, he had a hospital bed. Not that he did much sleeping, he couldn't lay down at all. Whenever I woke up Scott was usually in the computer room playing poker or sitting at the kitchen table.
Some of the meds he was on caused him to hallucinate. Just out of the blue he looked at me and said "Where did Lyndsey go" I'd say "She hasn't been here yet" He'd just give his head a shake and off he'd go. I'd walk into the t.v room and find him having a conversation with someone unseen. He thought his friends where there. There were quite a few instances like that. Some of them quite funny. One time he was just laying in bed, all of a sudden he opened his eyes and looked at his dad and I and with a quizzical look on his face he said "Did you see that" we said "What" He said "That giant caterpillar" I said "No darling, that was just you, seeing one of your little friends" Fortunately he was fine because he knew it was the meds causing it.
The bad dreams he had weren't fine though. Sometimes he woke up terrified and in tears. The bad dreams he had were always about his dad, something bad happening to him. I always had to go call him to make sure he was ok. His dad had a very bad motorcycle accident just before Scott was diagnosed, so that probably played on his mind all the time.
It all seems like a blur and a bad dream. I don't want to forget one second, but I have. I feel like I have to do this in installments I feel like I'm writing a book :-)
Best wishes to you and yours ((hugs))
Caz. Scott's mom
Giuditta - 24 Mar 2007 02:42 GMT >>>>>>> Hi Giuditta. >>>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 349 lines] > Caz. > Scott's mom Hi again,
Hey, I'm not offended that you aren't religious. I'm not either...I'm just a believer, spiritual person. I was so mad at God when my mom died because she was a real holy roller and went to this church where they danced in the aisles. They prayed for people, and they were healed, and then it teed me off that my own mom couldn't be healed.
The church intercessors would come and circle her bed and pray and speak in tongues, and at that point I was thinking that whatever it took, if it would heal her, go for it, but it didn't heal her.
My priest came, and I told him I was mad at God, and he told me at least I still believed in him/her ...
I haven't been back to any church since but just do the email thing because I felt people's pain and didn't know what else to do with it but give it to God...
So, don't worry about not being religious with me...I understand how you feel...You must be such a strong person. Your writing touches me so ...
You said you felt like you were writing a book, and maybe you are. I hope you're saving all this to Word or something...you have a knack for conveying your innermost emotions and love for your son.
I'll be honest. I don't think I could be as strong as you are. You are amazing, and I hate that word because it's so over-used, but I can't think of another one to describe you.
The way I see it is that Scott is not hurting, and you'll see him again, and he won't be racked with pain. I have to hang onto that. And I know you're not religious and me neither, but I don't believe Scott was given to you and then snatched away forever...I can't believe that.
Keep writing if it's not too painful for you. You've sure brought Scott to life for me. Somewhere in this universe, if there is a God, a part of you is looking at God right now...part of you is there in Scott.
Love and hugs to you, Dear,
Giuditta
Caz - 24 Mar 2007 10:42 GMT >>>>>>>> Hi Giuditta. >>>>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 392 lines] > > Giuditta Hi G.
I don't know where Scott is, but I have to believe he is somewhere safe and pain free. To believe anything else would be too unbearable.
I try so hard to find my son in my dreams, but I can't. I just want him to come to me and tell me he's ok, I want to hug him and kiss him and tell him I love him. I want to look into his beautiful blue eyes and see his bright smile and hear him laugh. 15 months today. When does the pain go away!
I wasn't actually saving what I wrote, but since you asked if I was I went back over my posts and copied and saved them into word. Not really sure what to do with it, everything will be all mixed up. A bit like me today!
Best wishes and ((hugs)) I hope you all have a wonderful day today. And thank you for your kind word.
Caz. Scott's mom
Giuditta - 27 Mar 2007 13:47 GMT >>>>>>>>> Hi Giuditta. >>>>>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 420 lines] > Caz. > Scott's mom Good! You saved it. It's your book.
Girl, I don't know when the pain goes away. I wish I had an answer for you. The only answer I got from a friend two years after my mom died was that I could only feel as bad as I wanted to feel...that snapped me out of pain and into peace and good memories that I could smile about instead of crying myself to sleep every night, but with a child, I don't know...maybe his wisdom applies to everyone. It was harsh and kind of a cold remark at the time, but I think something had to snap me out of my grief, and that did it.
Hugs, Giuditta
starfleet - 17 Mar 2007 21:19 GMT Giuditta schreef:
> Yesterday, the nurse at the CC said they were going to do another type scan, > and if everything looked significantly improved, they would let him sit a > few weeks before starting any other chemo that wouldn't be carboplatin > because she said that it was bad about attacking the bone marrow. > > I would chance oncologists. What kind of a life is that??
Anne
Giuditta - 18 Mar 2007 14:46 GMT > Giuditta schreef: >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Anne Did you mean "change" his oncologist? I didn't know if you meant to take a chance with the oncologist or change to another one.
Don would never change. He feels safe at the cancer clinic and with his oncologist. All I can do at this point is go by his wishes, whatever makes him comfortable.
He wants to live. He could be taking his last breath and still ask to have chemo. The nurse said when the cancer is no longer improved by chemo that this oncologist starts cancer studies with other drugs.
Don says that everything he is enduring will be worth it if he can beat cancer, and he truly believes that he will win.
Although I see him at his lowest, how could I not go along with his wishes. This conflict will be man against all odds, not man against me. I'm sitting out this round.
I see your point.
Giuditta
Figgertoes - 18 Mar 2007 17:12 GMT > Although I see him at his lowest, how could I not go along with his > wishes. This conflict will be man against all odds, not man against > me. I'm sitting out this round. > > Giuditta Very well put Giuditta. Socks made all his own treatment decisions with no input from me. It made him feel in control of something at a time when he had lost control of so much else. I think he also realized, though I did not at the time, that he would also own the outcomes, consequences. It's a gift, later, that I don't look back & feel that anything I did caused suffering, shortened his life - fill in blank. I just supported his decisions & him & helped him when he needed help. And he helped me too.
I do have to say it was difficult in the beginning when he said he wanted to go to his appointments alone. Especially when he didn't ask questions. He even played a game with figuring out what stage his disease was in when he could have just asked. But it all worked out.
Fig
Giuditta - 19 Mar 2007 12:17 GMT >> Although I see him at his lowest, how could I not go along with his >> wishes. This conflict will be man against all odds, not man against [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Fig I know where you're coming from and feel that Don has to feel somewhat in control of his life because he feels bad enough that he can't control much else right now.
Don can't drive himself anywhere. He's too weak. He feels bad about that, too. I think he is beginning to feel worse about not being able to help me with things that he used to do like taking Cheyenne where he needs to be, etc.
Cheyenne must sense that things aren't going so well because he came in my room last night and told me his gf was going to help get him to the driver's license place after they study today when he gets home from work...he just said, "Mom, you don't worry about it." And that blessed my heart because I knew then that he realized that I have too big a load right now and don't need one more thing.
He's right. I'm at my worry limit. I've had times when I have been scared, but yesterday it hit me that I might really lose my husband. It hit me hard enough to take my breath away. This is real, and I have to teach classes today. Before, teaching was an outlet, a distraction from what was going on at home, but now that Don seems to be getting worse, I don't know if I can keep my mind on work.
Please pray. I need more strength so I can help him, my family and my students.
Giuditta
starfleet - 19 Mar 2007 09:28 GMT Giuditta schreef:
> >> Giuditta schreef: [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > chance with the oncologist or change to another one. > I meant "change" ;-)
> Don would never change. He feels safe at the cancer clinic and with his > oncologist. All I can do at this point is go by his wishes, whatever makes [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > I see your point. If it's Dons choice I certainly respect that, and I wouldn't interfere if he was my spouse and respect his wishes. It's the oncologist I don't quite understand. Hope Don is feeling a bit better every day and he will be around for a long time to come ;-)
Anne
Anne
J - 19 Mar 2007 10:36 GMT > Giuditta schreef: > > "starfleet" <starfleet1960@hotmail.com> wrote in message [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > wouldn't interfere if he was my spouse and respect his wishes. It's the > oncologist I don't quite understand. Yes, I guess the oncologist is being dishonest by not clarifying that Don's not curable. J
Giuditta - 19 Mar 2007 12:34 GMT >> Giuditta schreef: >> > "starfleet" <starfleet1960@hotmail.com> wrote in message [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > curable. > J You know, it's weird. The onc gave us the prognosis the first day we saw him, but he and the nurse both say a cure or remission is their goal. I asked the nurse a few weeks ago if they were just giving him a few more months by the agressive chemo, and she said that curing him was the objective.
It doesn't make any sense to me. How do you tell someone he has a few weeks without chemo and eight to twelve months with it and then say the goal is curing him?
It's a mystery to me. Maybe Don has told them not to scare me with the truth, who knows. But I see what I see, and he looks worse, and he feels worse.
Giuditta
Figgertoes - 19 Mar 2007 14:18 GMT >>> Giuditta schreef: >>> > "starfleet" <starfleet1960@hotmail.com> wrote in message [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] > > Giuditta I wonder if you could have a one-on-one with the oncologist. It's cruel to keep you in the dark although with HIPPA, they can't tell you anything about Don's condition without his permission, so Don would have to grant that. I don't know what's going on, but it sounds very strange to me. And could be cruel. People need some time to prepare for death. Maybe Don can't cope with that? Or maybe the oncologist sees more profit in continuing the extreme treatments? Can you tell if this particular oncologist treats other patients similarly (maybe scuttlebut in chemo room)? It might help to know if this treatment imperative is coming from Don or from the oncologist.
Fig
Figgertoes - 19 Mar 2007 19:29 GMT > >>> Giuditta schreef: > >>> > "starfleet" <starfleet1...@hotmail.com> wrote in message [quoted text clipped - 65 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Now that I've thought on this, I'm wondering if maybe you should talk to both oncologist & Don together. At work, I call it getting all the liars in the same room :P. That eliminates the he said/she said as they are all right there.
Ask what has changed since initial prognosis since current thought seems to be counter to that. Ask how many in Don's condition have been cured or had lives prolonged by the treatment he is on.
If you get non-answers, keep asking. What I'm asking is..., what I really want to know is...can you please explain....
This may sound brutal, but it may be a kindness in the long run. And we all know you'd go to the moon & back without complaint if it would cure Don or help him.
Fig
Giuditta - 20 Mar 2007 00:33 GMT >> >>> Giuditta schreef: >> >>> > "starfleet" <starfleet1...@hotmail.com> wrote in message [quoted text clipped - 83 lines] > > Fig I have done this (not with Don present), but have heard three answers from the onc. First prognosis, with chemo eight to twelve months or close, The he had the scan, which showed everything "significantly improved," so my older daughter and I asked if the prognosis was the same. The oncologist's answer was that two percent of the patients in Don's condition have lived up to five years.
Then Mimi asked a day or two later, and it was changed to two percent live up to a year or two ... that's the day she went crazy, and I had to leave work and get Don from chemo s he wouldn't see her so upset.
In other words, the oncologist hasn't told us much that we understand...surely he's had enough patients to know what we should expect, but I do have to give him some credit ... I know of people that he's treated who had short prognosis's that have lived two to three years longer and are still doing well.
It seems that he's surprised and pleased that Don is still living and not bedridden ... he's chairridden though...
Another thing is he's weak from low blood counts, but he's also taking a lot of pain meds, so that would make a person weak I would think, but he needs them. He also has a lot of cancer, so I'd expect him to be weak ...
My think is that I want to know what's making him so weak. I see patients on chemo that are driving themselves there and back, but there's no way that Don could drive a car right now. Thank God for Mimi and for Donnie when he's in town...what do people do when they have no help? There's no way I could quit my job...I consider us blessed in this just by having sweet children ... it could be worse ... couldn't it?
I'm really gonna crash this time...
Ciao and thanks for being so helpful and kind, Hugs and God Bless, Giuditta
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J - 20 Mar 2007 01:33 GMT > > On Mar 19, 7:18 am, > [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > My think is that I want to know what's making him so weak. Just so you know that chemo does not only "target" cancer; it affects the whole body. What's written below fits with what the oncologist is saying. He's giving Don the "kill or cure" him dose of chemo and he's heading for bone marrow failure due to the extent of his cancer and the involvement of his spleen. (is my non-expert opinion) if he continues on more chemo. J <http://www.bccancer.bc.ca/HPI/CancerManagementGuidelines/Lung/6ManagementPolicie s/642SmallCellLungCancer/622ExtensiveStageSCLC.htm>
The prognosis for most cases of extensive stage SCLC is guarded and treatment is palliative. Without chemotherapy, the average survival is only 8-10 weeks. Radiotherapy alone may palliate local symptoms but has little impact on survival. The majority of patients (70-90%) respond to chemotherapy and complete responses occur in 15-20%. Median survival with standard regimens is 8-11 months. Almost all patients relapse and less than 5% are alive at 2 years. The small proportion (1-2%) of long-term survivors usually had low bulk metastatic disease and an exceptional response to chemotherapy.
Standard Chemotherapy of Extensive Stage SCLC
Guideline: Combination chemotherapy is superior to monotherapy in SCLC.
Grade of Recommendation: A
Monotherapy with oral etoposide has been proved inferior to combination chemotherapy in SCLC (Souhami, 1997). Combination chemotherapy should be recommended to all extensive SCLC patients fit enough to receive it. However, randomised trials of various combination chemotherapy protocols have not demonstrated a superior regimen.
Standard regimens are the same as for limited SCLC (see above 6.4.2.1) including four cycles of sequential EP, six cycles of alternating CAV/EP or 4 cycles of PAVE.
Intensive Chemotherapy A variety of methods of delivering greater than standard dosing of chemotherapeutic agents for extensive SCLC have been tried including in controlled trials including higher doses with cytokine support, weekly chemotherapy and high dose chemotherapy with bone marrow or stem cell transplantation. None of these innovations have improved survival and all are more toxic than standard therapy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spleen * Creation of red blood cells. While the bone marrow is the primary site of hematopoeisis in the adult, up until the fifth month of gestation, the spleen has important hematopoietic functions. After birth, no significant hematopoietic function is left in the spleen except in some hematologic disorders: e.g. myelodysplastic syndrome, hemoglobinopathies.
* Storage of red blood cells and other formed elements. This is only valid for certain mammals, such as dogs. The red blood cells can be released when needed. In humans, however, the spleen does not function as a deposit of red blood cells, but instead it stores platelets in case of an emergency
Figgertoes - 20 Mar 2007 07:21 GMT >> > On Mar 19, 7:18 am, >> [quoted text clipped - 92 lines] > deposit of red blood cells, but instead it stores platelets in case of > an emergency Is there no ethics pannel? Maybe docs don't have to answer to anyone & maybe the insurance companies grant anything a dying patient authorizes, regardless of benefit? I would have thought there would be insurance company medical review at some juncture. This is so very different from anything I have ever heard of. What happened to 'first, do no harm'?
It's one thing for someone to say they want anything that might cure them but quite another for them to say they want non-stop chemo because they think that's the answer - and to get it, if that's what's happening here.
A most disturbing & puzzling situation.
Fig
Giuditta - 20 Mar 2007 23:34 GMT >>> > On Mar 19, 7:18 am, >>> [quoted text clipped - 106 lines] > > Fig Fig, that seems to be what's happening here although the onc won't do more chemo until Don's blood is built back up. He did say that, but I don't know how up he's talking about. His blood count was improved Monday, and I was surprised since he was so weak Sunday and cold...
It's up and down like a pogo stick, and I want it to stay up. Tomorrow another type scan will be discussed, so that will tell us a lot more about what's going on in there.
I dread heaing that the cancer is not reacting to the chemo anymore and also worry that if it is better again that they'll zap him out with more.
I'm puzzled too.
Giuditta
Figgertoes - 21 Mar 2007 08:06 GMT >>>> > On Mar 19, 7:18 am, >>>> [quoted text clipped - 126 lines] > > Giuditta You've hit it on the head. It's a conundrum.
J said it best about it not being your decision & you can't control the situation. Sometimes that's a hard place to be. Maybe that's what we are supposed to learn from this. It's just so hard if Don is making decisions based on false premises.
Fig
Giuditta - 21 Mar 2007 21:16 GMT >>>>> > On Mar 19, 7:18 am, >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 135 lines] > > Fig Hi again,
Well, Mimi took Don for his oncologist appointment today, and here's the latest word. Monday he will have a CT scan without the dye because he's allergic to it but will drink something...barium (sp?)
His blood count is better than it was Monday. Whether or not they continue the chemo now depends on how the cancer looks ... Don said that the dr. said they would either let him sit for a month or go right back into more chemo. I don't know what determines this, whether it has to be more cancer or less cancer...
Don told me they won't see everything as well without the dye, so I asked why not do an MRI, and then he said that the dr. said they weren't doing an MRI because the cancer is in the lungs and that the lungs move while breathing, and it might be harder to see on an MRI...
I'm thinking, what about the cancer everywhere else ... shouldn't that be considered ... but what do I know. I'm not a doctor.
He said that the MRI was used more for stomach cancer, etc. But he also said that with the CT scan they will check out his stomach and see why it is hurting so much...the dr. thinks it's the constipation making his stomach hurt so gave him a huge bottle of some kind of medicine for that...
So, Don seems to be feeling better. He said the doctor seemed pleased, so I pray everything is just fine...when I look at him now, it does seem that he's better. It just bothers me that the pain in the stomach is bad enough for him to be taking morphine, an occasional lortab 10 and the psychedelic lollipops. Don's not one to take these type drugs (only pot), so for him to be doing it reveals to me the intensity of his pain.
I don't think he could tolerate the pain without the meds. Would constipation cause one to hurt this much?
Giuditta
starfleet - 22 Mar 2007 02:20 GMT Giuditta schreef:
> I don't think he could tolerate the pain without the meds. Would > constipation cause one to hurt this much? > > Giuditta > > It could be a side effect of the morphine Don is taking. Is he on a high dosis of morphine? His constipation certainly is but he gets medicne for that isn't it? Glad to hear that Don, though still in pain seems to be a bit better and his blood counts up.
Anne
Giuditta - 22 Mar 2007 22:09 GMT > Giuditta schreef: >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Anne Thank you. I don't know the mg of his morphine, but it says he can take one to two, but he hardly ever takes two at once...he might at bedtime or take one and have a pop a couple of hours later. He has medicine for the stomach problem, too.
He says he feels better today but has the nagging cough again, which he seems to get right before time for his next chemo round...
So, wonder what that's all about ... it scares me, everything scares me...
Thanks again for kind words,
G
Figgertoes - 23 Mar 2007 17:07 GMT >> Giuditta schreef: >>> [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > G He doesn't keep a med log? Socks kept one the whole time & it helped them regulate. You don't wait until you experience pain to take the painkiller. There are some that work in the background to keep pain at a lower level & others for breakthrough pain. Sometimes he had 3 different kinds going. Sometimes the breakthrough med is the same thing, just a different dose, or could be something different altogether. These changed continually depending on what Socks had logged - how many breakthroughs doses & at what times. Pain control/lucidity - objective is to keep in balance.
If you already know this, please forgive. If not, maybe he needs to see a medication specialist.
J - 23 Mar 2007 17:19 GMT > > "starfleet" <starfleet1960@hotmail.com> wrote in message > >> Giuditta schreef: [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > If you already know this, please forgive. If not, maybe he needs to see > a medication specialist. Yes, a med log would be nice, but since he's got the lollipop and may not have someone always supervising (to take notes), might be difficult to keep it straight.
Tim, on the BC newsgroup, always said to start laxative changes 2 days before pain meds changes. Anticipatory. But we don't know if that's what causing Don's pain at this point until he's had the scan.
I suppose it could also be neuropathic pain. I've got neuropathy and some medications: antibiotics and some pain medications cause a sudden acute pain, not as bad if I take with food; so I don't take a pain med for that, because it's gone almost as fast as it appears, if I'm careful about which meds I take. Reams of gastro tests revealed nothing.
Hopefully the scan for Don will clarify what is or isn't happening. J
Giuditta - 24 Mar 2007 01:38 GMT >> > "starfleet" <starfleet1960@hotmail.com> wrote in message >> >> Giuditta schreef: [quoted text clipped - 62 lines] > Hopefully the scan for Don will clarify what is or isn't happening. > J We're believing that the scan will show progress like it did last time, and the fact that his stomach is much better gives us a lot of hope.
I think he got on a certain pain schedule, and that's why he quit writing it down...or maybe we all just got tired and forgot...but the pad is right by his medication ... I should probably start writing it again, huh?
He does the lollipops more than anything else now...and between those and the poop pills, things are so much better for him. I'm so relieved for him.
TGIF Hugs to you!!! G
starfleet - 24 Mar 2007 08:58 GMT Giuditta schreef:
> I think he got on a certain pain schedule, and that's why he quit writing it > down...or maybe we all just got tired and forgot...but the pad is right by > his medication ... I should probably start writing it again, huh? > > I think Don should since pain is very, very personal and he is able to do it. He could write down the meds he is taking and write down in how much pain he is with a grade for the the pain form 0 (no pain) to ten ( totally unbearable, the worst pain you can imagine) + location of the pain. If he does that every time he takes something for example that lollipop (we don't have that overhere) you can see if the pain gets worse or less.
I think that its better to be a bit careful with those lollipops in Dons case since he's not terminal and might (we all hope fot hat) be around for a long time. I guess there is morphine in them? Its better to take morphine in slow release and only use the lollipops for breakthrough pain. If he needs more and more lollipops, the slow release should be higher. There is less danger for addiction with the slow release. Addiction is not a problem when one has only little time left, but in Don's case it could be a problem because he used to smoke, misses his cigarette and now has his lollipops. Don is a grown man and should decide for himself, but maybe he's not aware of how this works.
Anne
Giuditta - 24 Mar 2007 13:55 GMT > Giuditta schreef: >> [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > Anne Anne,
I see what you're saying. From what the oncologist said at our first visit, Don is a terminal case, but my question is does that change. I can't get a real straight answer from his dr. just percentages. Don says that he doesn't think the onc expected him to be doing as well as he is because he said he always looks pleasantly surprised at his check-ups, like "you're still here?"
Don's been through the hippiedom rock & roll band era when Jim Morrison was a frequent friend at his place in LA, but Don never got into the drug scene not even pot ... I didn't know him back then, but I know people that did.
I was attracked to him when we met because he was the guy that played his gigs, liked a wholesome life, drank milk and played basketball or tennis, etc...he didn't even drink! Not even a beer ... always drank Pepsi. I was amazed because most people I knew had their drinks, weed or whatever. He was like a breath of fresh air.
I figured it out when I saw how much he was into his music. If not at a gig, he was in the studio. I asked him about the stereotype I had always heard about with musicians, and he said that the ones that were messed up on drugs, etc. can't play like they should, screw up in the studio and miss gigs. He has had to fire a bass player because he smoked so much pot that he kept dragging during concerts, which really affects the drummer's timing as well and then the whole band.
He was road manager too at the time and the guy was a great friend, but the music came first. I remember my ex used to ridicule Don for being the type person he still is ... he wasn't the party animal, and my ex was a clone of every party animal you could imagine and in every way.
Don and I became friends for three years, and I saw that he was real. He was also a true friend. So, how did I get off on all that? Oh, the possibility of him becoming addicted. I can already see in the past couple of days, since Don's pain is less, that he hasn't been sucking pops as often and that he seems a lot more alert so I assume he hasn't been taking his pain pills as often either.
Let me clarify on the drug scene. Don never smoked pot even back in the day, but he was in his bunk on the bus one night and had a problem lifting his arm the next morning. He thought it was just sleeping on it, but it got worse. We went to seven different doctors for this pain that started in his arm...even an acupuncturist, chiropractor, osteopath, and finally a neurosurgeon discovered a ruptured disc. This was when we also discovered that he had degenerative arthritis of the spine.
Anyway, through this awful pain, the pain meds didn't help him so the guitar player gave him some pot, and that was the only thing that helped him. He even told his doctor that, so he has been smoking pot since his back problems started, but he isn't a 24/7 stoner guy.
It bothered me because I held him up on this pedestal. I didn't understand that pot helped pain like that and even thought ...yeah right ... just an excuse to get high, which really bugged me, and that's another reason I quit going to concerts. The band smoked pot (ironic since he fired a guy for it, huh), and I felt like an outsider because I didn't partake of the weed and had just become a teacher and the horror of getting busted scared the hell out of me.
The week after Don quit playing for Gilley, Mickey's band's bus was busted and all of them were arrested enroute to another show. Don was supposed to be on Ricky Nelson's plane but backed out for another gig, and you know what happened to that and all the drugs involved.
So, weed has been the only problem we've had in the past years of our married life. I was like a brick wall that had been built...my white knight had been tarnished, and I sure didn't want the kids knowing about the pot because they were becoming that age where they might try to experiment themselves, and they thought anything Don would do would be okay.
So, now, me, the old prude, could care less how much pot he has as long as he doesn't hurt. But then smoking pot is still smoking, right. I have taught drug ed. and learned that one joint is ten times worse than one cigarette.
With saying all that, this is why I don't think he'll become addicted to the other drugs. He's had plenty of opportunities but wasn't into it. He'd rather just have the pot when he needs it. But I could be wrong. The reason that my daughter and I had been the ones to write down his pain med doses is because we were afraid that since he was groggy from them that he might not remember when he took one. We had him tell us every time he took a pill, and then we'd write it down.
Before his cancer dx he went to a pain clinic for the arthritis problem, and they put him on methadone. They had him taking about nine pills a day. He did this for a few weeks, and it did help, but he got tired of taking it and quit cold turkey. He said that he felt like his arms were stretching out of his body for the first night and since then hasn't touched any pain meds until the cancer dx. He told all of this to his oncologist because he was afraid of the same thing happening again.
I got the feeling that the oncologist wanted him to take pain meds because he told him that he could prescribe him whatever he wanted, and Don just told him whatever he thought would help but not methadone. So, then he started the morphine.
I pray that his pain continues to lessen so he can feel healthier, and now weed is just a small thing compared to him having SCLC, extensively. If he gets out to the concert this weekend and keeps feeling better, stronger, I don't think it will be much longer before he's back playing again full-time. That's his real drug of choice, his music.
Sorry I wrote such a long post ... I get started sometimes and just rattle on...I'll try to quit being so long-winded or long-fingered? Whatever the word is for writing ... writers are bad about not knowing when to stop, and since I quit the paper, I've been into withdrawal myself.
Have a great day!
Giuditta
starfleet - 24 Mar 2007 15:07 GMT Giuditta schreef:
> Anne, > > I see what you're saying. From what the oncologist said at our first visit, > Don is a terminal case, but my question is does that change. Guiditta,
I have had a terminal disease for two years now but I'm not terminal yet ( I hope) ;-) Even though Don may not be cured, that doesn't mean he is terminal in the way that he is dying very soon. Some people don't get better anymore but are able to lead a pretty normal life for who knows how long. That is what I meant by the lollipops + addiction + terminal. There is a difference in incurable or or being in the end stage of disease. In the endstage it's no use to bother about becoming addicted to anything, but if you have months and months even years to live, you might be worried about that. With slow release chances for addiction are less, but more important it keeps the level constant so there need not be any pain and lollipops can be used occasionally for breakthrough pain. Much more comfortable because that way you are ahead of the pain. If Don gets nausious and gets sick a lot, there are also patches he can use that work two or three days. Like I said he is a grown man, but many people aren't aware that it is much more comfortable and less addictive to use a slow release form of morphine and use the lollipops etc. occasionally for breakthrough pain. More and more breakthrough pain should mean a higher dose of slow release. But if Don likes the lollipops I really wouldn't want to take them away from him ;-))))) I just wrote the post because Don maybe isn't aware, as many people are. They think "I'll only take morphine when I'm in really bad pain, otherwise I become addicted" and it doesn't work that way with pain from cancer.
Anne
Giuditta - 25 Mar 2007 13:14 GMT > Giuditta schreef: >> [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > Anne Don does use the lollipops more than the morphine pills but is closely monitored on them because the prescription says no more than four a day, and if he runs out, his insurance won't pay ... without insurance they're $2500 for 100 pops!
What's good about the pops is they are better for him if he is nauseated, which is when he first discovered them at the cancer clinic one day when he was very sick at his stomach. The nurse gave him one during chemo, and he said it worked better than the morphine.
I understand what you're saying about the pain threshold and the morphine. His dr. suggests ge take the morphine pretty much as prescribed, but he isn't taking that much unless his pain does get worse...
I appreciate your knowledge on all this because we are new it ... well, since November.
So, how are you doing? Do you have much pain? And you know, aren't we all terminal? Who knows what any of our lives will be played out like or our demise. The thing about you and the others on this ng is that you all seem to appreciate life and what it offers more than others. Nothing is taken for granted here.
Thanks again for the advice.
Have a beautiful day!
Giuditta
Giuditta - 24 Mar 2007 01:27 GMT >>> Giuditta schreef: >>>> [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > If you already know this, please forgive. If not, maybe he needs to see > a medication specialist. We kept a med log for him up until maybe the last month...Usually Mimi or I wrote down what he took, and then he was doing it, and now the last entry is just a note from me saying I love you, and no more med entries.
He seems to be doing better pain wise now that the stomach thing is getting better and is even talking about going with a friend to a gig tomorrow night...he was on the phone, talking to his buddies that are playing, and he's meeting them at the bus and going for a concert.
He just told me that his pain is ten times less than it was...yipppeee!!!
Happy hugs! G
Figgertoes - 24 Mar 2007 05:37 GMT >>>> Giuditta schreef: >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 53 lines] > Happy hugs! > G That's wonderful & I so hope Don feels like going, even if only for a little while. That's great news.
Maybe the lollipops act faster than the different things Socks took for breakthrough. I don't know why he did't do the lollipops. I had heard of them but the idea never came up. Maybe not included on our 'formulary.'
Funny day today. Last night I adopted a 10 month old kitten to be a playmate for my 15 year old cat, Isaac, who has been very lonely. Kitten got loose in the house last night & I couldn't find him..So we stayed home today b/c Isaac had no clue the kitten was even here. There was no good way to isolate, not knowing where the kitten was. A loud hissing around noon lead to the discovery (Isaac found)! This kitten has found some clever hiding places. Now in utility room - not in the nice bed I made him but behind washer/dryer. Hope he gets brave soon. His cage name was Mr. Tips. I started out with Sylvester but am now thinking Barthalamew (sing it). He's b/w.
Fig
Giuditta - 24 Mar 2007 14:14 GMT >>>>> Giuditta schreef: >>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 74 lines] > > Fig A cat or puppy gives a certain warmth to a home doesn't it? I have had cats, but none of them ever came to me if I called them by any name other than "Kitty," like in "Here, kitty kitty." Why is that?
How's Issac getting along with Barthalamew? We had a b/w cat named Jack, but our neighbors stole him. We were in the process of moving, and when we went back to get Jack, he was in the neighbor's yard.
I took Jack, and we left. A few minutes later, this redneck dude was speeding up behind us in his big red truck and motioned us off the road. He comes to the car window and asks me what I am doing, stealing his granddaughter's cat and that she was in tears and that he wanted that cat back.
We loved Jack, and I said, "No, this is our cat." Then he started threatening to call the cops, Bud Light breath fogged my window as I was rolling it up, and he became a bit crazy, and Cheyenne is frantically saying,"Give him the cat, Mom, give him the cat." I looked at Cheyenne, wondering how he could just give his cat away ...
I saw how scared he was and rolled the window back down and handed the fool our cat and told him they better take care of him because I'd be back to check and to tell his granddaughter to stop crying ...
Then I cried all the way home while Cheyenne sat in his own thoughts...he loved Jack, too, but his fear of his mom going to jail overpowered that.
Now, four years later, Cheyenne says it wasn't Jack, but it was. Please, if you ever move, take your kittens on the first trip with the furniture.
I love their purring. Have fun with new kitty.
Giuditta
Figgertoes - 24 Mar 2007 05:37 GMT >>>> Giuditta schreef: >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 53 lines] > Happy hugs! > G That's wonderful & I so hope Don feels like going, even if only for a little while. That's great news.
Maybe the lollipops act faster than the different things Socks took for breakthrough. I don't know why he did't do the lollipops. I had heard of them but the idea never came up. Maybe not included on our 'formulary.'
Funny day today. Last night I adopted a 10 month old kitten to be a playmate for my 15 year old cat, Isaac, who has been very lonely. Kitten got loose in the house last night & I couldn't find him..So we stayed home today b/c Isaac had no clue the kitten was even here. There was no good way to isolate, not knowing where the kitten was. A loud hissing around noon lead to the discovery (Isaac found)! This kitten has found some clever hiding places. Now in utility room - not in the nice bed I made him but behind washer/dryer. Hope he gets brave soon. His cage name was Mr. Tips. I started out with Sylvester but am now thinking Barthalamew (sing it). He's b/w.
Fig
Giuditta - 25 Mar 2007 14:16 GMT >>>>> Giuditta schreef: >>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 74 lines] > > Fig Hi Fig!
How is the kitten today? Is he still hiding? Good news ... Don went out to the gig last nght! Other than going to our son's to watch a basketball game a couple of times, this was his first outing since November except for trips to the dr.
He seemed fine when he got in and said he had a good time. I asked him if he sat in with the band, and he said he wasn't up to that yet. I told him he would be.
He has been coughing again, which happens after a few weeks off chemo. The dr. always listens to his chest and says it sounds good yet he has this cough (it seemed less a couple of days ago). It makes me scared that the tumor has started growing again...I know I'm analyzing again, but I just can't help it.
He has another scan tomorrow. It won't be as accurate without the dye, but won't it show if the last three rounds of chemo continued improving his condition like the first three did?
Giuditta
Figgertoes - 25 Mar 2007 15:09 GMT >>>>>> Giuditta schreef: >>>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 100 lines] > > Giuditta Hee hee - kitty Bartholomew is doing his first exploratory round in one small part of the house. Isaac sometimes watches, sometimes ignores. Barth is feeling comfortable with me. We'll see if that holds b/c I just started laundry in his safe haven. He doesn't like the noise, but I have to wash clothes.
I am SO glad Don got out & enjoyed himself. I hope this happens more & more. And I hope the scan gives good results. Sometimes they come out better than others it seems.
Have a great rest of w/e.
Fig
Giuditta - 27 Mar 2007 14:09 GMT >>>>>>> Giuditta schreef: >>>>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 114 lines] > > Fig I'm glad he got out, too. The guitar player called me the next day and said, "Thanks for letting Don caome out to play." He's a nut. I told him to keep taking him because he needs it and loved being there. Buddy (guitar player) was joking around with me, but I did wonder if he meant play as in an instrument or play as in being a child whose mom finally let him out.
Buddy said they had a blast backstage, foiund some wigs and all put them on, Don had a blonde one with a bun...he's supposed to send me pictures if he ever figures out how to make his digital work with his computer...funny how they can be so talented in some areas and so not-having-a-clue in others.
What happened with Barth after the clothes started spinning? Our Jack hid behind the tv for three days when we got him. Then after he trusted us, he would sleep on my keyboard, and if I was writing in bed on regular paper, he would jump up and sit right on the tablet...that was hilarious. And he loved getting inside paper sacks. Gosh, I miss Jack.
You have a great week, too.
G/J
J - 26 Mar 2007 09:19 GMT > He seemed fine when he got in and said he had a good time. I asked him if he > sat in with the band, and he said he wasn't up to that yet. I told him he [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > won't it show if the last three rounds of chemo continued improving his > condition like the first three It's hard to know what the onc will say this time, G. Be there, if you have questions. Write the answers down. Good luck. J - thinking of you all
Giuditta - 27 Mar 2007 14:16 GMT >> He seemed fine when he got in and said he had a good time. I asked him if >> he [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > Good luck. > J - thinking of you all Well, I figure he'll either say that the cancer has responded well to chemo, and that it (again) is "significantly improved" so let's try more chemo and see if it cures you or kills you or either he'll say, "You know that two-year offer at the gym with the discount, forgetaboutit."
Today will be the second watershed event of our lives, and I'm only ready for good news.
We need a miracle here, G
starfleet - 24 Mar 2007 08:25 GMT Giuditta schreef:
> He just told me that his pain is ten times less than it was...yipppeee!!! > > Happy hugs! > G > > That is very good news Guiditta. When he's not in so much pain anymore he will probably enjoy life a whole lot more an able to do fun things. When you're in pain the world is very, very small.
Anne
Giuditta - 24 Mar 2007 14:16 GMT > Giuditta schreef: >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Anne So so true, and the world looks a lot different when the mind isn't a fog of morphine I'm sure. I'm excited!!!
G
Caz - 24 Mar 2007 09:55 GMT >>>> Giuditta schreef: >>>>> I don't think he could tolerate the pain without the meds. Would [quoted text clipped - 49 lines] > Happy hugs! > G Hi G.
I am so happy for all of you. I truly hope things keep moving in this same direction. I hope Don has a wonderful time at the concert and also you if you go too :-) Hang in there!
Best wishes and ((hugs))
Caz. Scott's mom
Giuditta - 24 Mar 2007 14:22 GMT >>>>> Giuditta schreef: >>>>>> I don't think he could tolerate the pain without the meds. Would [quoted text clipped - 62 lines] > Caz. > Scott's mom Caz, I pray he feels like going. I'm not because I think he needs a night out with his friends. He's not one of those have-a-night-out-with-the-boys type guys becuase I guess the gigs take the place of that, but he hasn't been out amongst his music friends since November ... It's time.
I will stay home and celebrate him feeling so much better by making my lesson plans for next week ... LOL. Teachers' work is never done. It's just such a relief. I feel like the cloud is lifting.
Today, I am not going to worry ... I'll do that tomorrow.
Hugs to you,
Giuditta
Figgertoes - 22 Mar 2007 05:08 GMT > I don't think he could tolerate the pain without the meds. Would > constipation cause one to hurt this much? > > Giuditta Trying to cut down on pain meds to alleviate constipation would be a very bad idea.
You read Penny's blog. The constipation caused middle of the night trips to the hospital & the problem dominates many of her posts. Socks had severe problems too. For some reason, that stopped up the commodes, although that was the least of it.
Fig
starfleet - 22 Mar 2007 10:56 GMT Figgertoes schreef:
>> > Trying to cut down on pain meds to alleviate constipation would be a very [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > For Guiditta,
Things that may help are: exercise, walking even if it's for short periods during the day, eating enough fibers (fruit and vegetables), drink a lot of fluid (water) take the laxatives and if that doesn't help enough ask the doctor for an enema once in a while. Like Fig said it is a very common problem and alas doctors forget to fill in a recipe for laxatives together with the morphine and don't give some rules to live by that help with constipation..
Anne
islavision2004@yahoo.com - 22 Mar 2007 11:37 GMT > Figgertoes schreef: > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Anne A home remedy which helps a lot with constipation is -
1 tablespoon of extra virgin olive oil, the juice of one lemon, a clove of crushed garlic. Shake them together in a jar and drink. Drinking this everyday and drinking at least 2 litres of water and/or juice a day keeps thing moving in an easy way. If you really hate garlic leave it out. Until one gets used to it, it tastes strange as a drink, using a juice chaser helps it to go down.
Constipation can cause terrible stomach and abdominal pains.
isi
Figgertoes - 22 Mar 2007 13:43 GMT >> Figgertoes schreef: >> [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > > isi Ground flax seed also works miracles & could be added to this cocktail. I put a tablespoon or 2 in a spice/coffee grinder. Socks preferred it in warm cranberry juice or apple cider. You need to grind it just before using for best nutritional benefit. Flax seed is in the bulk cannisters at our natural food stores. You really need to grind it.
Somewhere I have a book with lots of recipes for bars containing the ground flax seed. Some are like rice krispy treats & others are fruit bars using dried fruit. Flax also eases menopausal symptoms, but the laxative effect is strong & made it difficult for me to eat.
Fig
Giuditta - 22 Mar 2007 23:09 GMT >>> Figgertoes schreef: >>> [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] > > Fig Flax seed? I don't even know what that is but will look for some. Now to go make my brew for him...
We'll see what he does...
Ooops...more news.
I actually just got in from school when I beamed myself online, and Don was, where else, in the bathroom. He just came out, and I told him about the brew I was going to make him, and he told me that he was much better from what the dr. gave him yesterday. He said his stomach isn't even hurting as bad. Yay!
Here's what he's taking...a stool softener once a day, a powder that he dissolves in 8 oz. of water that is called polyeth Glyc or something like that ... the name is half covered by a label that says "Dissolve in water before taking," duh. What else would he do with it?
And a capsule he takes once a day, omeprazole, 20 mg. Don said this was supposed to take a few days to affect him but that it's working like a charm already.
I've been telling him about you all, and he told me to be sure and let you know what he's taking in case anyone else is having the same problem.
His band called a couple of weeks ago and asked if he could be ready to play a concert in two weeks...Don told them he didn't know yet...then they called again today and asked him if he could play Sat. night's gig, and he said he could mentally but not physically yet.
They understand and are using Jerry Lee's drummer until Don feels like playing, but I could see he looked so disappointed that he wasn't ready yet. He's put so much into this band, and they just got a bus and are ready to rock and roll, on their own instead of behind some big star, and it just irks me that he worked toward this all his life, and now he can't do it.
I never in our married life thought I would see the day that he didn't feel like playing. I've seen him play with a broken ankle and once in a concert when he had a bad stomach virus and they put a bucket by his drums...you can imagine the rest...it was upchucking city...but he never missed a beat.
No one could notice him throwing up because it was up on a high stage with the drum throne behind everyone else...
I'm just sad for him....I know I am sounding depressing but why even have goals...what does it all matter in the scheme of things...Don's such a good man, a good dad and husband with a gentle spirit...I want to see him happy in his niche again...what if it never happens? I was listening to the radio on the way home from school one day and I always notice the drums and can envision his smiling face, so happy and into it. I thought ... if I lose him, I don't think I would ever be able to listen to music again...it would hurt too bad.
But if he does make a snappy come-back and gets back out there, if you like country music, you'll have back stage passes for sure...you deserve that for listening to my constant whining, blubbering, moaning and groaning...
I told him what you all have said about starting to take walks, and he said now that the weather is warmig up that he thinks he can do that and just play drums a little at a time...not jump back into it full force...he will have to build himself up for that as he feels stronger. He believes that he will do that ... I pray he will, too.
It's like baby steps ... the stomach is better so who knows. I have to believe.
Please believe with me.
Giuditta
Giuditta - 22 Mar 2007 22:25 GMT >> Figgertoes schreef: >> [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > > isi For real? I will mix him up some and see if he'll drink it. I think he would drink Draino if it would help his stomach right now. He keeps saying that he's going to walk a bit but just isn't up for it yet.
He goes from bathroom to living room and sometimes to the kitchen and to the doctor...that's it.
So ...
Now what?
G
Giuditta - 22 Mar 2007 22:21 GMT > Figgertoes schreef: >>> [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Anne I don't know if you read my posts where I said the dr. told Don not to eat salads, fresh fruit, etc...but he was doing better with the bathroom prolem after I finally g
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