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J - 30 Aug 2006 13:15 GMT
Well folks, the more things change, the more they remain the same.
This "journey" covers 40 or more years of observation, reading anything
(relating to pain) in books, magazines and newspapers.

My "pain journey" began watching my mother's pain, while growing up.
Her pains continued, untreated and eventually blended into ag-related
conditions/pains and then (unbeknownst to us) cancer related pain, until
she was (late) diagnosed with lung cancer.

My "pain journey" was observational, until I was made aware, through
mother's letters that she was receiving medications, from nurses/RN
friends, she'd met after parents moved to a new location. I was appalled
(that she had to go outside the medical system) and (I was) relieved she
had pain relief.

Along the way, I had acquired articles from a well-known physician in a
large city in Ontario, about how he was often called, by loved ones or
patients complaning that they were in awful pain and nobody would stick
their neck out to sufficiently and/or promptly help their pain relief.  I
still remember when I was there, some 20 years ago, our meeting being
interrupted by a call from a desperate loved one, trying to get pain
relief for a patient.

Along the way, I also read that cancer pain was "well looked after".  That
reassured me.
It was for my mother _because she was in hospital, at diagnosis_ and
remained there until death, 3 or 4 weeks later; but what about cancer
patients today?  The more things change, the more they remain the same.

I was just searching for cancer pain (in various parts of Canada). There's
lots of talk and studies, and claimed experts, but no official Canadian
policy or instructions or plan (that I could find) that ensures that a
cancer patient will get prompt pain relief.

What brought this "rant" on?  Penny's journey, since being a non-cancer
patient.  (ie no longer being actively treated for cancer) and her winding
her way through "home care", palliative care experts, only to find, that
every twist and turn, when pain relief was needed "now", there were delays
and suffering, until the "right"person was found to provide the pain
relief.   And if you read her blog, the same thing happened over these
past 5 or 6 days. For cripes sake. She had to go to ER to get pain
relief.  Where are all these people who were supposed to be available to
her?  She had to then call her GP, who exaimed her in their vehicle who
then provided a prescription for morphine.

[from her blog]
"After 7 hours in emergency and finding out that I don't fall anywhere,
there is nothing in the system that shows me as "belonging" to any care.
Palliative Care shows me as being discharged from their system, the Pain
Clinic would not accept me as their responsibility, the emergency room had
to let me go. Nothing more they could do. Gave me one more shot of
morphine and sent us on our way to find out where I belonged. I have to
say, the doctor's there were very kind and caring and every there did
their upmost to try to find out how this all happened. In the end they had
no answers for me except that we had to get to see a doctor that would get
me back into palliative care. That usually takes 3 days.

From the emergency room, at 11 am Monday morning, we drove to my GP's
office (still in my nightgown). My GP came out to see me in my car, got me
going on morphine as it was obvious that the oxycodone was not cutting it.
Michael made some calls to home care and to the pain clinic while the
doctor spent time with me in the car.  I must of been a sight, sitting in
the parking lot of the shopping centre being examined by my doctor!

It now looks like I'm done at the Pain Clinic, for whatever reason, we
aren't sure why, they have given up on me and turned me over to my GP and
Palliative Home Care. Home Care, btw, doesn't know why I wasn't showing up
in the system from the emergency room and that is still a mystery. They do
have me registered as being under their care." [from her blog]

Note: I rather doubt that ER's have registration of cancer paitents in
their system, unless a cancer patient has been there previously and/or
someone (Palliative Home Care?) failed to register her at the
hospital...Unknown if that's their responsibility.

And why wasn't morphine prescribed before?  I don't know and/or Canada is
"backward" as to pain relief, and/or the system's a mess.  One "Peter"
from UK's wife had morphine from the trme of cancer treatment (2 years
ago) and continues on it, after treatment and still clear of cancer.

So what is so backward about the Canadian system?  And/or Canadians,
please plan ahead and talk with your GP (if you have one), make sure plans
are in place for pain relief, if needed. There's the other possible
problem; many Canaduabs don't have GPs and walkin clinics may be reluctant
to dispense appropriate pain meds (since they do not have the cancer
patient's file).  So what would happen?  Told to go to ER.  (just like
what just happened to Penny).

Back to the doctor in the big city...I suspect his phone is still ringing
off the hook. I can still picture him, shaking his head, in disbelief...

As a side note: I've found the following.
http://www.cancer-pain.org/about/mission.html
Mission Statement
A majority of cancer patients experience pain and are generally less
satisfied with their pain treatment than doctors think they are. Although
adequate relief can be achieved with available therapies, studies show
that cancer pain remains underreported and undertreated. This is due
primarily to lack of education about pain assessment and control; myths
about addiction to medication; and a general reluctance on the part of
patients and physicians to initiate discussions about this important
aspect of cancer treatment.

Cancer-pain.org has been developed by ACOR (Association of Cancer Online
Resources) with input and advice from patients, caregivers and an Advisory
Board of health care professionals dedicated to providing the most
advanced cancer pain relief. Our aim is to help cancer patients receive
the pain treatment they deserve.

The site offers in-depth information to assist in pain management
decision-making and interactive discussion groups to help patients
determine what will work for them. We will stay abreast of the latest
developments and communicate this information to our users. All content on
the site is developed in consultation with our Editorial & Medical
Advisory Board and pages are updated regularly. We welcome your feedback
and input. So bookmark our site and check back with us frequently. <end
quoted text>

All sounds good, but how does talk, referrals, website and/or advisory
board help a patient such as Penny (in Canada) or a patient in Missouri,
or a cancer patient in UK.  Advice (or referrals) is useless in such
situations.  The cancer patient needs pain relief...NOW !

J
Belle Gin - 30 Aug 2006 14:06 GMT
> Well folks, the more things change, the more they remain the same.
> This "journey" covers 40 or more years of observation, reading anything
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>
>(Snipped for brevity)

Oh boy, does this touch a nerve with me, and I apologize if this comes out
as another rant. It isn't just Canada that is insensitive to timeliness of
treating cancer pain.  I'm in the US.  During my dad's last week, his
condition deteriorated alarmingly quickly, literally overnight.  He had been
taking prescribed pain meds for quite some time (in the form of patches,
mostly, but they stopped working quite suddenly. There is a long frustrating
story here that I won't bore you with, but it took nearly 3 days for hospice
to get morphine to us to make him comfortable,.  He had plenty of insurance
so that wasn't the problem,  he fell through the cracks of the system in a
paperwork snafu that hospice admitted was their fault.  I am still quite
angry about how the system failed him at the end when all he told us he
wanted was to be kept asleep.
usenetgirl@gmail.com - 30 Aug 2006 16:19 GMT
Belle GIn

I am so sorry to hear about your father's pain management. Personally
pain management has not been an issue.

My mother died of lung cancer and was  medicated appropriately. My dad
had an incident where in his 80's he had shingles. He stopped eating
and was in constant pain, he primary care doctor was not opposed to
prescribing medication. The pain medication did not kill the pain but
had sign effects.  When I called his doctor, I said my Dad was going to
die if his pain was not under control, he referred my dad to a pain
clinic. My dad went to an outpatient pain management clinic,where they
determined that he needed to be admitted for pain management.  They did
a nerve block which was tricky since his pain was on the right side of
his chest and they were afraid  he would stop breathing.

After several days of this block, he was pretty much pain free the rest
of his life. I have been told that if the pain from shingles is not
resolved close to the outbreak it can be a life long problem. He lived
many years pain free.

What I learned , if one doctor is unable to manage the pain don't be
afraid to go to another provider.  I believe this pain clinic helped my
father reclaim his life.

I am sorry Hospice was not able to manage your dad's pain. Alex
J - 31 Aug 2006 11:08 GMT
> "J" <macyinno@nospam.inv> wrote in message
> > I was just searching for cancer pain (in various parts of Canada). There's
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> angry about how the system failed him at the end when all he told us he
> wanted was to be kept asleep.

Thanks for sharing, Belle.
I'm sorry your father didn't have prompt palliation.

The way I see it, this problem for Penny has been going on since early this
year. Well, ever since she's no longer on active treatment, so that's 8 months
of intermittently falling through the cracks.
It's a big disappointment to me and of course I feel bad for Penny. Patients, in
any country, shouldn't have to fight for palliation. It's supposed to be there,
as needed.

So I hope Canadian cancer patients, reading, will check their resources and see
how things work (for thier potential future need) and are going for other
patients.  And stir up some "bad press" or calls to members of parliament; make
some noise. This has got to change for the better for all (not just cancer) end
stage patients.  If we (Canadians) can't help loved ones live longer, the least
that can be done is make sure the loved one is kept comfrortable and it's not
fair that the patient is left scrambling for pain relief, over long period.
Hugs
J
figgertoes - 30 Aug 2006 20:19 GMT
> <big snip>
> All sounds good, but how does talk, referrals, website and/or advisory
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> J

I don't know where things broke down with Penny.  She had pain
specialist consults.  Home health care saw her regularly during the
height of her pain.  I wonder why they didn't take steps to bring it
under control wheter that would entail more consults with the pain
specialists or whether they could ramp up her pain meds on their own.

I hope Penny, through sharing her story, can help others avoid the
under-treated pain problem.  We went through some of this with Socks,
too, but in general, his pain control was well managed - until the last
week.

There are 3 things I'd like to mention from our experience.

1.  Pain seems to get much worse at night.  When morning comes & the
pain lessens, it is sometimes difficult to remember how bad it was
until nighttime comes again.

2. Socks didn't want to 'bother' the oncall home health care people at
night.  Several times I had to persuade him to make the call.   Every
one of those times,  I am convinced we made the right decision.  After
2 night-time visits in a row, his pain meds were permanently adjusted.
I really think 'grinning & bearing it' can work against your getting
proper levels of pain control.  When we actually called at night, we
got more action than when we called the next morning to say the
previous night had been bad.  Maybe having them actually SEE what bad
was made the difference.

>From business, I know decisions are often made this way.  A simple
example:  people who keep within budget often don't get the increases
those who exceed do.  It's assumed the budget was adequate.  Same with
working with (say) lower headcount ratio to assets managed.  It can
work against you, regardless of corporate goals.  So sometimes we have
to squeak louder than we're comfortable with.

3. Pain medications must be adjusted/changed often.  Sometimes these
were tweaks & sometimes complete changes in dosing &/or the meds
themselves.  Sometimes he had a level dose 24/7.  Other times, he
ramped up at night.  Different docs had differing opinions as to which
method was most effective & we sometimes got in the middle of this -
blowing in one direction & then another.  Not saying that's a bad
thing, to try different ways.  Different things worked better at
different times.  Pain meds log helped.

Fig
Pen - 30 Aug 2006 21:39 GMT
<snip>

> I don't know where things broke down with Penny.  She had pain
> specialist consults.  Home health care saw her regularly during the
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> pain lessens, it is sometimes difficult to remember how bad it was
> until nighttime comes again.

That is so very true. When the pain is in control I tend to forget how bad
it can get and think, ah ha, we've passed this hurdle.

> 2. Socks didn't want to 'bother' the oncall home health care people at
> night.  Several times I had to persuade him to make the call.   Every
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> previous night had been bad.  Maybe having them actually SEE what bad
> was made the difference.

Night time is always worse and I to hated to call. It was Michael's
insistance that he call that got things going. I kept saying all night, just
1 more hour and I can take more, 1 more hour and it will get better. After 5
hours of that, well, it's about all I could take. Thank goodness Michael
took over from there.

<snip>
> 3. Pain medications must be adjusted/changed often.  Sometimes these
> were tweaks & sometimes complete changes in dosing &/or the meds
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> thing, to try different ways.  Different things worked better at
> different times.  Pain meds log helped.

I know that I'm not hesitating taking more meds now if I need it. Because of
the concern they were having me showing signs of to much, I was reluctant to
take more when I needed it. Not any more. I'll take it when I need it and
we'll deal with the "to much" if and when it gets to that.

Today and been a little more up and down but it really has followed my
eating also. I eat breakfast and the pain increases. Have a little lunch and
again it increases.

Michael started a pain log for me as I just couldn't do it. The pain was to
great to even think about writing about it but it helps me in thinking back
too so that's a great thing to have that's for sure.

On the breakdown between who was treating me, etc. I do believe some of that
breakdown came due to vacation times for nurses, doctors, just the summer
activities. And then our moving to a temporary home and then to our
permanent place also had a hand in it all. Made it easy for me to slip
through between the two things happening.

Cheers
Penny
J - 30 Aug 2006 21:55 GMT
> Today and been a little more up and down but it really has followed my
> eating also. I eat breakfast and the pain increases. Have a little lunch and
> again it increases.

Upcoming appointment with radiation oncologist?

> Michael started a pain log for me as I just couldn't do it. The pain was to
> great to even think about writing about it but it helps me in thinking back
> too so that's a great thing to have that's for sure.

Wonderful idea.

> On the breakdown between who was treating me, etc. I do believe some of that
> breakdown came due to vacation times for nurses, doctors, just the summer
> activities. And then our moving to a temporary home and then to our
> permanent place also had a hand in it all. Made it easy for me to slip
> through between the two things happening.

I hope they're on track and able to respond promptly, from hereon, Penny.
Hugs
J

There's 2 Canadians who were caregived at home, that I recall that may have had
pain control problems (the others that I recall were in hospital and well
palliatedl). I have to search the archives to refresh my memory.
Pen - 31 Aug 2006 01:24 GMT
>> Today and been a little more up and down but it really has followed my
>> eating also. I eat breakfast and the pain increases. Have a little lunch
>> and
>> again it increases.
>
> Upcoming appointment with radiation oncologist?

<snip> Hugs
> J

<snip>

Tomorrow is my visit and treatment with the Rad Onc. whoopee! :-)

Penny
betsyb - 31 Aug 2006 02:16 GMT
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http://sailuk420.tripod.com

>
>>> Today and been a little more up and down but it really has followed my
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>
> Penny
Oh, Penny I am so happy for you. I hope you get some relief from this pain.
I will add extras for you tonite when I pray for us all.

Betsy
J - 31 Aug 2006 10:42 GMT
> http://sailuk420.tripod.com

You and family?
Good looking lady there.
I have to check later (to see all photos and read what it says beside each),
slow to download (for me).
Hugs
J
betsyb - 31 Aug 2006 15:44 GMT
I forgot to take that off. My grandson from Anchorage came to MD to visit
his Dad,

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http://sailuk420.tripod.com

>
>> http://sailuk420.tripod.com
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> Hugs
> J
J - 01 Sep 2006 02:05 GMT
> I forgot to take that off. My grandson from Anchorage came to MD to visit
> his Dad,

Ah your grandson. I enjoyed him as well and I wondered where he was off
to...(home, I gather)
He looks like a "kewl dude". Loved the photos of surfing.  Wished I was there
actually - it's turned coldish here at nights.
I wonder if he gets sick of being asked if he knew Michelle Shocked? <G>
Lovely family photos.
Thanks for sharing, Betsy.
J
J - 31 Aug 2006 10:44 GMT
> "Pen" <penmike2005@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
> > "J" <macyinno@nospam.inv> wrote in message
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> > Penny
> Oh, Penny I am so happy for you. I hope you get some relief from this pain.

Seconded. I hope this is a new beginning for better quality of life for Penny.
Hugs you both.
J
J - 08 Sep 2006 00:52 GMT
> There's 2 Canadians who were caregived at home, that I recall that may have had
> pain control problems (the others that I recall were in hospital and well
> palliatedl). I have to search the archives to refresh my memory.

To continue, I checked the archives re: a few Canadians.
Sali's Pat spent the last month in hospice care, in hospital.
As best I can recall, he was well pain palliated, so very few, if any, questions
for us about that.
Sali spent most of that time with him, at the hospital. (Eastern Canada)

Andrew went East to caregive when his father was dying.
he posted several times re: medicines : one about an appetite stimulant and Steph
and Mike suggested a less expensive one.  He also posted question about pain
medications. If I recall correctly, at first, the oncologist was helping with the
medicines, then he got "extra-mural care" for his father. From thereon, palliation
for his father was good.

A few months later, back home, he was trying to find equivalent, for Ontario, for a
friend's father.
He had 2 other family members with cancer, by then, and we never heard back as to
where he found palliation for his friiend's father. The more I think about, there's
only a few (Canadians) I can thiink of who caregived at home, during the last month
or so of the patient's life. (could be wrong).

And we don't always hear back from every poster/situation.

J - archiving before I forget.
 
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