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Roll Call (August/06) - alt.support.cancer

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J - 21 Aug 2006 08:28 GMT
Please join the roll call.
You or a loved one has cancer.
All types of cancer, including advanced breast or prostate cancer.

Earlier stages of breast or prostate cancer see:
alt.support.cancer.breast or
alt.support.cancer.prostate
(I'm sure they would be happy to have an update from you)

Please:
1) delete my message, when you reply and
2) Not everyone reads every message.so write your type of cancer in the
subject line, so others lurking can note your type of cancer and reply to
you.
3) Introduce yourself  (type and stage of cancer and what's on your mind)-
no full names please. Update us, if you're not done so for a while.
Look forward to hearing from you. (good or bad news - we're here for you)
J
Viviane - 21 Aug 2006 11:19 GMT
Diagnosed May 06.  Total thyroidectomy on 11 July, with lymph nodes removed
but it hadn't spread to them.  The cancer was below the threshold for having
radio active iodine so I started on Thyroxine nearly 1 month ago.  After
plummeting while I was in hospital, calcium levels seem to have stabilised
so it looks as though the parathyroids have started functioning again.  The
wound is still sore and swallowing is hard but getting better.

I went back to work last week so that has brought back a level of normality
at home.  I get very tired easily but otherwise OK.  I go back to the
surgeon in early Sept and will have a thyroid function test done before that
to see if the dosage of Thyroxine needs to be adjusted.

This ng has been an enormous support to me.  It has also made me realise how
lucky I've been.  I'm humbled to read about the experiences of others -
their inner strength is awesome.
Bobert - 21 Aug 2006 20:27 GMT
It's now been over 3 years since i was diagnosed and It looks like I am in
the 1 or 2 % that get this far out.

Bob's History
Dx SCLC May 29,2003
Carboplatin&VP-16   6 rounds 3 week cycle
Concurrent RT to chest
Transfusion 2 units July 15 2003
Transfusion 2 units date unknown
NED October 20,2003
Mets in cerebellum  January 13,2004
Whole Brain Radiation
NED January 22,2004
NED April 23, 2004
NED July 26,2004
Mets in hipocampus (brain) Nov 4, 2004
Referred to Stanford Nov 10, 2004
CyberKnife Treatment Nov 16, 2004
<http://www.stanfordhospital.com/clinicsmedServices/COE/cyberknife/overview>
<http://www.accuray.com/>
Brain MRI Jan 7 2005
NED Jan 10, 2005
NED April/14, 2005
Bone Scan April 28, 2005
NED May 2,2005
MRI, CT July 8,2005
NED July 13,2005
MRI, CT Oct 14, 2005
NED Oct 17, 2005
MRI, CT March 24,2006
NED April 3,2006
Next scan in Sept.
Got my fingers cross already.

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I've taken a vow of poverty. To annoy me, send money.

Bob
in Carmel, CA

J - 22 Aug 2006 17:15 GMT
> It's now been over 3 years since i was diagnosed and It looks like I am in
> the 1 or 2 % that get this far out.

Congratulations, Bob(ert).
We'll be crossing fingers for you as well.
J
Barb - 21 Aug 2006 20:37 GMT
Hello.  I'm Barb, a second stage breast cancer survivor.  I'm also daughter
to a Dad who had laryngeal and later brain cancer; friend to dear ones who
didn't survive their thyroid, breast, stomach, lung, unknown primary
cancers.  I've read for many years and have posted periodically.  I
regularly write to alt. support.cancer.breast.  Thankfully, I've had NED
since my surgery and chemo over 22 years ago.  I've learned a lot by lurking
and include many of you in my prayers regularly.  My best wishes to all.....
J - 22 Aug 2006 17:17 GMT
> Hello.  I'm Barb, a second stage breast cancer survivor.  I'm also daughter
> to a Dad who had laryngeal and later brain cancer; friend to dear ones who
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> since my surgery and chemo over 22 years ago.  I've learned a lot by lurking
> and include many of you in my prayers regularly.  My best wishes to all.....

Hi Barb,
Good of you to be of support on both newsgroups.
J
alex - 21 Aug 2006 22:43 GMT
Since you started this thread, I ask what kind of cancer touches your life.
Support work wells when everyone is honest and open with each other.  We
would like to support you with your cancer issues. Since you spend so much
time online on this unmoderated newsgroup obviously  cancer weights heavily
on your mind.

You have good command of use of the newsgroups but what do you do for a
living?

What is your medical experience? Since you have referenced that " we tell
our patients" or "it has been my past experience"  who are your patients and
what are your professional credentials?

Are you doing anything special for your upcoming birthday?

Alex

> Please join the roll call.
> You or a loved one has cancer.
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> Look forward to hearing from you. (good or bad news - we're here for you)
> J
Steph - 22 Aug 2006 03:58 GMT
> Since you started this thread, I ask what kind of cancer touches your
> life. Support work wells when everyone is honest and open with each other.
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>
> Alex

Alex, leave it alone
Rick Jackson - 22 Aug 2006 00:03 GMT
Hi new to this. I found out Jan 7 2005 that I had a tumor in my rectum. I
was then set up to receive radiation and chemo for five weeks. after that I
was set up for surgery to remove tumor. This was done on 12 april05 ilost 8
inches my rectum was removedand i was given an eliostomy  that I wore for 2
months before it was remove. It was found that 5 of 20 nodes showed sign of
cancer (I was stage 3 ) so I went back into chemo in july that same year> I
had to switch chemo typ as first one was causing problems. I went everweek
till mid nov05. since then I had a pet scan in jan06 and all was clear so
had med ports removed and then had another pet scan in may and colonoscopy
in jun and all is clear so far. Yes I go for blood work every month. Just
some small problems now but doing good feel free to ask me any thing as I
think I had great medical care.   God bless you all.
J - 22 Aug 2006 16:30 GMT
> Hi new to this. I found out Jan 7 2005 that I had a tumor in my rectum. I
> was then set up to receive radiation and chemo for five weeks. after that I
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> some small problems now but doing good feel free to ask me any thing as I
> think I had great medical care.   God bless you all.

Good to meet you, Rick.  Best of luck for a cure.
I don't know if you've been lurking (or not).  Watch for a post by Elsie and/or
Maria.
If I recall correctly they were both Stage 3 with positive nodes.
Elsie was planning to complete at least two international distance triathlons
in 2006.
Busy lady, that Elsie. :)
Maria last posted in July, so hopefully she'll see your post.
Thanks for joining the roll call, Rick.
J
MZB - 22 Aug 2006 04:38 GMT
I first joined this group about 4 or maybe 5 years ago when I was dx. with
basal cell carcinoma on my arm (simple and in my case superficial skin
cancer in an easy to get location -- the best kind to get). I asked at that
time whether I should let my family doctor (who I greatly respect -- he was
actually a calculus student of mine about 25 years earlier and was the top
student in the school!) excise the lesion. Steph said that any competent
family physician should be able to do it. I had it excised and all went
well.

So, I was thankful for the help. ANY cancer dx. is shocking as it reinforces
our own mortality.

A few years later my father was dx. with merkel cell carcinoma. It was very
tough and a year later he passed away at 97. It was tough and still is and I
appreciated the kind words and support.

Alex-- yes, I've noticed that "J" goes out of her way to maintain a
mysterious persona.

She (he???) is quite an enigma. She can get in a hissy if someone top-posts
and she also feels she has to be our moderator for this unmoderated
newsgroup. She has to warn us about the most obvious scams.

All that gets annoying, but if I ever get another cancer dx. there is NO ONE
I would rather have on this newsgroup than J in terms of getting good solid
information, suggestions, etc. So, I guess like all of us, she can be good
and/or bad.

Mel
alex - 22 Aug 2006 12:20 GMT
That is where you are wrong, much of the advice J is not solid.  Jean gives
information that is wrong. She has never had cancer.

For example she suggested tying  a confused person in  a wheelchair, if a
nurse practiced this they could brought up on criminal charges.
She gave another a person going to surgery and even gave the changes of
survival from ovarian surgery when the person didn't have cancer.

She told another to get a donut pillow for sacral pain  when that does so
much harm then good.

Another time she was comparing her abdominal surgery done over 20 years ago
to current surgical technique which is comparing a model to ford to a NASCAR
car.

Another time she was comparing her cat's condition to a person posting here.

Now she is trying to get Pen to have radiation treatment when Pen's highly
qualified palliative team said it was not needed.  Undermining care is
harmful.

No, these only some examples. Since I have to work I can't write more.

Jean is skilled in writing, but she has no credentials, not a nurse, MD,
medical writer, or social worker. She doesn't have cancer. If she was truly
interested in cancer she could volunteer at a local hospital or hospice (
Jean seems to love to talk about dying).  But they would not allow her to
dispense advice so she rather come here and pretend to be something she is
not.

Now I will have to pay the piper, Steph will say I am nothing special and
whine. Jean will  find old links and mispost my old postings.

If you call for a role call, imho, you are begging for the question - who
are you and why are you hear.

According to the charter Jean  loves. anyone giving advice needs to post
their credentials. Furthermore this is a support group not  a place to get
medical advice. That should be done after a clinical exam with the person
dispensing advice posting their credentials.   Alex

>I first joined this group about 4 or maybe 5 years ago when I was dx. with
>basal cell carcinoma on my arm (simple and in my case superficial skin
[quoted text clipped - 25 lines]
>
> Mel
betsyb - 22 Aug 2006 14:58 GMT
> That is where you are wrong, much of the advice J is not solid.  Jean
> gives information that is wrong. She has never had cancer.
[quoted text clipped - 67 lines]
>>
>> Mel

Alex, your constant complaining does absolutely nothing but annoy visitors
to this group. Didn't your Mother teach you, if you have nothing nice to
say, shut up!

Betsy
J - 23 Aug 2006 00:33 GMT
> Alex, your constant complaining does absolutely nothing but annoy visitors
> to this group. Didn't your Mother teach you, if you have nothing nice to
> say, shut up!
>
> Betsy

Thanks Betsy,
Really she's lost sight of the purpose of this newsgroup - not one support post
from her today.
But she takes time from work, to come complain here about me.

And if it's not me, it's Mike on sci.med.diseases.cancer or Steph.
I honestly don't know what her problem is. madiba makes suggestions on a.s.c.b
and s.m.d.c and corrects her, where applicable, but she does not cause a fuss
with him. It's baffling.
J
starfleet - 23 Aug 2006 01:48 GMT
betsyb schreef:

> Alex, your constant complaining does absolutely nothing but annoy visitors
> to this group. Didn't your Mother teach you, if you have nothing nice to
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
>  
I think it's a bit annoying that J has this rollcall every month and
doesn't introduce herself in the thread. No need for anything really
personal, but I think it would be better if J in the rollcall introduced
herself shortly for newcomers and why she has an interest in this cancer
supportgroup.

Anne
J - 23 Aug 2006 09:16 GMT
> I think it's a bit annoying that J has this rollcall every month and
> doesn't introduce herself in the thread. No need for anything really
> personal, but I think it would be better if J in the rollcall introduced
> herself shortly for newcomers and why she has an interest in this cancer
> supportgroup.

The less I say, the better.
Besides supporting here, what I am or do (off newsgroup) is part of keeping this
newsgroup quiet.
J
alex - 23 Aug 2006 22:15 GMT
> I think it's a bit annoying that J has this rollcall every month and
> doesn't introduce herself in the thread. No need for anything really
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> Anne

If Jean aka J starts a roll call she should provide the information who she
is and why she is here.
J - 23 Aug 2006 23:25 GMT
> If Jean aka J starts a roll call she should provide the information who she
> is and why she is here.

Seens like you're here spreading misinformation.
Don't believe everything you read on the internet.
J
Steph - 26 Aug 2006 22:23 GMT
>> I think it's a bit annoying that J has this rollcall every month and
>> doesn't introduce herself in the thread. No need for anything really
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> If Jean aka J starts a roll call she should provide the information who
> she is and why she is here.

You're like a broken record............
J - 27 Aug 2006 11:38 GMT
> "alex" <alex@noemail.com> wrote in message
>  J starts a roll call she should provide the information who
> > she is and why she is here.
>
> You're like a broken record............

It's obvious why I'm here. To help, to support, and to remind people we care
about them, by running the roll call.
And to try and keep trouble (crossposters) and people looking for donations to
support their offtopic or advertising webpages off this newgrouup and to warn
people about loonie posts. The list goes on and on.  She takes offence to my
efforts in those regards, yet has done next to nothing to keep this newsgroup
quiet, as I have done, for years.
J
usenetgirl@gmail.com - 27 Aug 2006 12:58 GMT
Numerous people have asked you about your background. And you refuse.

Anyone intesested email me at my gmail account. I have a file of all J
inappropiate and sick posts.

My offense is you dispensing advice on the internet without any
credentials.........Steph says he doesn't use his real name on the
internet but does in other groups. He has more respect for non cancer
survivors where he uses his name.

When was this changed to alt. cancer. advice  this is cancer support.

Steph beware went J turns against you.......she can and will do the
same to you. Spam your professional organizations.
J - 27 Aug 2006 13:17 GMT
> Numerous people have asked you about your background. And you refuse.
>
> Anyone intesested email me at my gmail account. I have a file of all J
> inappropiate and sick posts.

Ditto on you. Saved them with full headers, on 3 newsgroups.

> My offense is you dispensing advice on the internet without any
> credentials.........Steph says he doesn't use his real name on the
> internet but does in other groups. He has more respect for non cancer
> survivors where he uses his name.

Right to privacy and so far, I have protected yours as well.

> When was this changed to alt. cancer. advice  this is cancer support.
>
> Steph beware went J turns against you.......she can and will do the
> same to you. Spam your professional organizations.

Spam?  You're delusional.
J
Emily - 27 Aug 2006 14:24 GMT
J said...
> >  J starts a roll call she should provide the information who
> > > she is and why she is here.
> >
> > You're like a broken record............
>
> It's obvious why I'm here.

Actually, it's not - but if someone's doing a good and useful job, does
the 'why' really matter?
MZB - 22 Aug 2006 21:18 GMT
Alex, I have been lurking here and occassionally posting for a long time. J
has been here that entire time.

By being informative I am really talking about the posting of web-site
references as well as referrals to others who have posted with the same or
similar conditions.

I think that has been helpful.

Additionally, others on this newsgroup have often posted very positive,
appreciative responses to her.

If I want medical advice I'm not going to rely on someone just posting in a
newsgroup. But, often, one can be pointed in the right direction.

As I said, there is a lot of crap that J does that to me is a collossal
waste of time (as I mentioned previously). Still, if I ever get that dreaded
dx. again, I would hope J would be here.

Mel

> That is where you are wrong, much of the advice J is not solid.  Jean
> gives information that is wrong. She has never had cancer.
[quoted text clipped - 67 lines]
>>
>> Mel
J - 23 Aug 2006 00:28 GMT
> Alex, I have been lurking here and occassionally posting for a long time. J
> has been here that entire time.
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>
> Mel

Thanks Mel,
Hopefully that won't happen.
J
J - 23 Aug 2006 00:39 GMT
> That is where you are wrong, much of the advice J is not solid.  Jean gives
> information that is wrong. She has never had cancer.
>
> For example she suggested tying  a confused person in  a wheelchair, if a
> nurse practiced this they could brought up on criminal charges.

Whether you like it or not, straps and belts are available for wheelchairs users
and are used in homes, in institutions, in nursing homes.  Perhaps not yours.
Helmets are also provided for those who are prone to falling and/or having
seizures.

> She gave another a person going to surgery and even gave the changes of
> survival from ovarian surgery when the person didn't have cancer.

I don't have a clue what you are referring to and you should have said something
at that point, not later.

>  Steph will say I am nothing special .

Why don't you ask him what he meant by that?  and/or get over it.
J
clifto - 23 Aug 2006 03:28 GMT
> moo mooooooooo moo moo moooo
> According to the charter Jean  loves. anyone giving advice needs to post
> their credentials. Furthermore this is a support group not  a place to get
> medical advice. That should be done after a clinical exam with the person
> dispensing advice posting their credentials.   Alex

Having thus repeatedly dispensed this anti-J advice, you should consider it
time to post your credentials.

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alex - 23 Aug 2006 22:13 GMT
I am a cancer survivor.....
>> moo mooooooooo moo moo moooo
>> According to the charter Jean  loves. anyone giving advice needs to post
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> it
> time to post your credentials.
J - 23 Aug 2006 23:39 GMT
> > moo mooooooooo moo moo moooo
> > According to the charter moooo loves. anyone giving advice needs to post
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> Having thus repeatedly dispensed this anti-J advice, you should consider it
> time to post your credentials.

Aex wasn't here during the Charter discussions.
The way it works in Canada is politicians makes laws. (analogy Charter rules)
and bureaucrats interpret and apply the laws - ie decipher the intent.  Here's
my understanding of what the intent of the Charter was and is:

http://www.cancersupporters.com/asc/charter.html
Example 1:
If you cannot resist posting a cure or treatment here, post the complete
treatment description with supporting data. That would include clinical trial
results and papers published in reputable journals. Provide your connection or
affiliation-financial or otherwise-with the product, the company, board of
directors, or owners. Provide your qualifications to discuss this product,
including but not limited to degrees, positions, experience, titles,
publications, and references. If you have a record of criminal arrest, you must
reveal the date, location, circumstances, and outcome. Links to this information
are acceptable.

Intent: stopping people from coming here with unproven claims/ treatments
especially if they have a financial interest in same product and/or criminal
record. (does not apply to me).  Note: when I do post about a treatment (and I
mostly post them on s.m.d.c) but if someone asks I try to find the best possible
information, especially if I can find clinical trials results.

Example 2:
What is strictly prohibited on this newsgroup?
Posing as a medical professional is strictly prohibited. For example, don't use
a doctorate in finance or mineralogy to convey the impression that you are a
medical doctor qualified to recommend treatments or diagnose disease. This
includes the use of "Dr., Doc, PhD, RN, LPN, med, etc." in your name, e-mail
address, or alias. If you claim one of these titles be prepared to provide
degree, major/minor, university, year it was earned, and years experience. You
must provide substantive information if asked by any member of the group.

Intent: A number of persons were posting here (and sometimes still do) who have
Dr or doctor in their screen name (or claim same).  And are not doctors.  Intent
to get rid of them, if they won't disclose their credentials, so same can be
verified.  (does not apply to me - I've posted numerous times that I'm not a
doctor, not a medic or other such phrases).

So mooooooooo moo moo moooo to Alex. This is a support newsgroup, people (who
intend to stay within the intent of the Charter) helping people.
J.
alex - 24 Aug 2006 01:48 GMT
What about we tell patients and I advise, those are words of a clinician.

This is a support newsgroup, people (who
> intend to stay within the intent of the Charter) helping people.
> J.

This is an unmoderated newsgroup get over it!!!!
Araik Margarian - 27 Aug 2006 19:06 GMT
> That is where you are wrong, much of the advice J is not solid.  Jean
> gives information that is wrong. She has never had cancer.
[quoted text clipped - 37 lines]
> place to get medical advice. That should be done after a clinical
> exam with the person dispensing advice posting their credentials.  Alex

Dear Alex,
since it indirectly touched also J's response to me, I am adding my
point regarding your queries.
I look for your questions with certain level of compassion. In general there
are many things in life and society, that don't have
decent answers to questions that seems very simple to ask and get
reasonable, not surrealistic response. For example, Newton was laying
under the tree and the apple fall down from the tree on his head.
He asked one of the simple questions of the time -
"what makes it fall down and not fly up?" and ended up
discovering great laws of nature and rewarded by society with his
queries and his offered solutions. That's because his query was
directed not toward human actions. I had several queries before
and ended up having "social cancer" before this one.
Then I got more wise for last 1-2 years. And my $0.01
advise to you: Don't ask questions simply because they seem very obvious or
surrealistic to you.
The most harmless and polite response you will get is "moo-moo-moo". The
harsh responses are recorded on many occasions in history, for example 1937
Soviet Union repressions, when actually were gulaged and/or perished
many brightest individuals of the time with obvious surrealistic, absurd
pretexts.
Your questions to "J" can arise to any thinking individual who has to
be on this site. But when you are on this site, usually your worries
and problems are much much serious than to think for
example, "if  'J' stands for Joan or Jon?"
I told here already the many pluses I got from this site and
specially from J, Steph, Clifto, and Criss Ness, who doesn't post for long
time. I hope he
forgot the existence of this site and returned to ordinary life.
In some other times, before, I would offended J myself for her seemingly
offending post
or would be silent thinking that the Invisible Hand is behind all of that
surrealism and
provoking a fake conflict to find a pretext to harm me.
But now, as you noticed yourself, there is no somebody (I bet J herself too)
who can explain
what she was meaning by her absurd "joke" or whatever comparision. I simply
asked her if she is pretending
to be Shveik? If she didn't read that one of the greatist book, let find
about it in Wikipedia, let's say.
If she is joking on her way, why I can't joke on my way?
But in my more troubling days of treatment and beyond she was mostly nice to
me, helpful and friendly.
So I continue to like her and accept her unwritten authority of this site :)

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J - 22 Aug 2006 17:06 GMT
> I first joined this group about 4 or maybe 5 years ago when I was dx. with
> basal cell carcinoma on my arm (simple and in my case superficial skin
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
> information, suggestions, etc. So, I guess like all of us, she can be good
> and/or bad.

Mel,
When I see a name appear on group, I see "friend" or "foe".
The former being someone who cares, is "alt.support.cancer" savvy and is onboard
for cancer patients.  That's you.
"Foe" someone who's here to make trouble or "push their agenda".  "Agenda"
mostly being trying to steer people away from their potential curative
treatments.  Misleading people about some "cure" they claim is out there.

Sure you're smart enough to know who to avoid, but believe it or not, others are
"newbies" and/or naive and/or desperate and even asked about PHP Gold (tm) or
PHS- GOLD (tm). In other words, some people can get taken in by scams, so I will
continue to warn. Just remember it's not aimed at you.

As to top or bottom posting, this morining I got caught up on some uk
newsgroups.
One of them I hadn't clicked on for a while and had 36XX posts. Only took
minutes to download.
Why? Because most, if not all posts are less than 50 lines. And no, I don't
count them. My newsreader shows me the lines. Think of someone in a hurry,
looking for posts or posters.  Think of someone who has pain when sitting (from
surgery or the cancer); they can easily give up if downloading takes too much
time.

I click on another newsgroup, where they mostly top post and the line length is
anywhere from 100 to 1000 lines ; takes forever to download, on a busy newsgroup
and confusions can occur.
For some reason, UK'ers /newsgroups seem to be more conscientious about
bottom-posting and snipping text.  Maybe newsserver limits; maybe "line"
charges...  Two of the UK newsgroups, rarely have spats. The other does. One of
the two that seem to get along well even have a conscientious loonie. <grin>.
He always has the same subject line. That makes it easy for those to plonk him.
They also have a lot of regulars, whereas this newsgroup, because of the nature
of the health issue, the scenery changes, unfortunately.  Meaning; some of the
regulars die, unforunately and there's always newbies.

So yes, I'm newsgroup savvy and know how to "fly" around and check what's
happening on other newsgroups, and check up on where some of the past posters
are (or aren't) and why they didn't answer the roll call.  All in less than 2
hours, I can get a good grasp as to what's happening out there, that might
affect this newsgroup (people I've told to stop crossposting) or why someone
hasn't checked in lately and wil continue to do so, for this newsgroup and the
posters. Gosh , now this is long and off topic.

Thanks for joining the roll call, Mel.
J
MZB - 22 Aug 2006 21:33 GMT
>> I first joined this group about 4 or maybe 5 years ago when I was dx.
>> with
[quoted text clipped - 98 lines]
> Thanks for joining the roll call, Mel.
> J

J:

I still much prefer top-posting. When you bottom post, I have to scroll all
the way down to read what you have to say (and folks are not snipping the
post). That's a pain because I don't need to reread stuff as generally I
know the thread we are talking about.

However, it does appear that bottom-posting is considered proper etiquette.

Mel
J - 22 Aug 2006 21:40 GMT
> "J" <macyinno@nospam.inv> wrote in message
>
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
> post). That's a pain because I don't need to reread stuff as generally I
> know the thread we are talking about.

We all pay (one way or another)  if people don't snip text.

> However, it does appear that bottom-posting is considered proper etiquette.

Preferable for newsgroups; what people do on email is their own business (and/or
what their employers prefer).
J
starfleet - 23 Aug 2006 01:40 GMT
MZB schreef:
> J:
>
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>  
Bottom post and a nice pair of scissors.

Anne ;-)
clifto - 23 Aug 2006 03:30 GMT
> I still much prefer top-posting. When you bottom post, I have to scroll all
> the way down to read what you have to say (and folks are not snipping the
> post). That's a pain because I don't need to reread stuff as generally I
> know the thread we are talking about.
>
> However, it does appear that bottom-posting is considered proper etiquette.

Now if we could get you to trim your quotes, you'd be a model citizen. :)

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Emily - 22 Aug 2006 23:14 GMT
J said...
> Two of the UK newsgroups, rarely have spats. The other does. One of
> the two that seem to get along well even have a conscientious loonie. <grin>.
> He always has the same subject line.

This wouldn't be anything to do with a certain security service, would
it?  Sounds very like a chap who's been in my killfile for rather a long
while...
J - 23 Aug 2006 00:34 GMT
> J said...
> > Two of the UK newsgroups, rarely have spats. The other does. One of
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> it?  Sounds very like a chap who's been in my killfile for rather a long
> while...

Yes <g>
J
Emily - 23 Aug 2006 21:32 GMT
J said...

> > J said...
> > > Two of the UK newsgroups, rarely have spats. The other does. One of
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> Yes <g>

'Bout time you posted and introduced yourself then, if it's the group I
think it is <g>
J - 24 Aug 2006 08:23 GMT
> J said...
> >
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> 'Bout time you posted and introduced yourself then, if it's the group I
> think it is <g>

I chuckled all last night, imagining me putting up the "filters message" there. :p

Or intro: I got stuck up on the shed and the shingles attacked me. <grin>

I was laughing so much at these types of intro ideas, I missed some of a show I wanted
to see on TV.
J - still chuckling over me.
Emily - 24 Aug 2006 12:47 GMT
J said...

> > J said...
> > >
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> to see on TV.
> J - still chuckling over me.

You do realise you can post in confidence there, don't you?  There's no
sniping there like there is here, and people's pseudonyms are respected.  
You wouldn't be the only overseas poster, either, although you might be
the first Canadian.  You needn't be worried that I'll say anything
untoward, either, 'cos I won't.
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Patrick Mullin - 24 Aug 2006 20:39 GMT
Thanks to all on this board who directly advised / helped me backin March
when Dad was diagnosed, and for all the things that I have read whilst
lurking since.

Dad finally died last month, but after an initial month of pain, he lived
his final months with great pain control. This allowed him to have a few
months of family, fun, and most importantly dignity.

He eventually was admitted to a Hospice, and after a week there he lost his
fight. The staff were amazing - always smiling, ever-helpful. It made a
great difference to his last days, both for him, but also for my Mum.

Anyway, thanks again to all.

Patrick
Gail - 24 Aug 2006 23:22 GMT
I am so sorry for your loss.
Gail
> Thanks to all on this board who directly advised / helped me backin March
> when Dad was diagnosed, and for all the things that I have read whilst
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>
> Patrick
J - 25 Aug 2006 01:49 GMT
> Thanks to all on this board who directly advised / helped me backin March
> when Dad was diagnosed, and for all the things that I have read whilst
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> fight. The staff were amazing - always smiling, ever-helpful. It made a
> great difference to his last days, both for him, but also for my Mum.

I'm so sorry for your loss, Patrick, but relieved to hear that your father was
so well cared for and had quality of life during his final months.
As you make your way through the stages of grieving, I think you'll find that
your father, the patient, will become a distant part of your memory, replaced
by the memories of the father, the husband, the man (who was probably ever so
proud of you).

J
Eric Greene - 31 Aug 2006 20:44 GMT
Responding to the Roll Call.

I'm Eric and was diagnosed with Stage II (not sure if it was IIa or IIb)
esophageal cancer nearly 6 years ago.

Had 4 months of chemo with 5FU, cisplatin and Taxol followed by 1 month
of 5FU, carboplatin, Taxol and radiation.  This was followed with an
Ivor Lewis esophagastrectomy.  

Other than a few post treatment problems, I remain on the right side of
the dirt.  Just got my results from the 6 year endoscopy, barium swallow
and chest x-ray and remain cancer free.  

If you are interested: http://ngc1514.com/ECG
J - 31 Aug 2006 21:17 GMT
> I'm Eric and was diagnosed with Stage II (not sure if it was IIa or IIb)
> esophageal cancer nearly 6 years ago.
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>
> If you are interested: http://ngc1514.com/ECG

It's wonderful to hear from you again, Eric.
Thank you for joining the roll call.
May you stay healthy and cancer free for a very, very, long time.
[Note: I don't think anyone can promise no other cancers to anyone, so I
can't say "forever", but hopefully it will be so]
My best wishes to you and yours.
J
 
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