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Janet Wilder - 19 Jul 2006 18:23 GMT
I have a day here in Houston to waste and high-speed WiFi so I am
looking for recipes for "smoothies" which the speech therapist
recommended as nutrition during radiation.  I'm a bit confused as she
said to avoid dairy because it produces thicker mucos but all the
recipes I find use dairy and yogurt. Even the ones that use soy milk
call for yogurt.  My body has never been happy with soy products and
dairy with cultures (sour cream, yogurt, cottage cheese) give me awful
heartburn.

Does anyone have any recipes for smoothies that don't call for dairy or
soy? Is there such a thing?  Sorry if I seem picky and sound like an old
lady. I'm  just trying to work within the parameters of my tolerances. I
don't mean to sound cranky.

The second thing I'd like to ask is how do ya'll manage to sleep when
taking pain killers. The opiates and like products keep me from anything
deeper than drowsing. I tried some Benedryl but that didn't work at all.
I finally took an Ibuprophen (didn't want any acetaminaphin because it's
already in the Lortabs) and that helped me sleep but didn't do much for
the GERD <g>. Is there a trick to sleeping when taking opiates?  I know
about the stool softeners for the other effects. (blush)

TIA

Janet, who is feeling better today.
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bj - 19 Jul 2006 19:12 GMT
Does it have to be "smoothie"?

How about things like fruit soup or gazpacho -- pureed or strained to
whatever consistency you like -- nice & cool and can also have
fiber to help at the other end. They can be served in a bowl & feel
more like a "meal" than a "nutrition drink".

I don't know if jellied consomme counts as something you could have, but
it's nice in hot weather; add a drop of lemon juice. There's also tomato
aspic of similar consistency.

Some of these things can also be found in cans you can keep handy in the
fridge for when you don't even want to run the blender.

They can also be gussied up to serve to the rest of the family so you feel
like you're having a family meal, not a "special diet".

For a hot meal (which I can't bear thinking about right now) there are
plenty of puree-soup things.

I remember the dairy-mucous connection from way-back-when, when the girls
singing in an evening concert or show were told not to drink milk with
dinner (age-give-away -- this is back when girls actually *drank milk with
dinner!!!) -- because it would mess up their throats & be bad for their
voices for the performance.
bj

>I have a day here in Houston to waste and high-speed WiFi so I am looking
>for recipes for "smoothies" which the speech therapist recommended as
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> lady. I'm  just trying to work within the parameters of my tolerances. I
> don't mean to sound cranky.
Janet Wilder - 19 Jul 2006 19:26 GMT
> Does it have to be "smoothie"?

No it doesn't. I was just checking on the therapist's recommendation.
I've never had a smoothie unless a pina colada counts <g>

> How about things like fruit soup or gazpacho -- pureed or strained to
> whatever consistency you like -- nice & cool and can also have
> fiber to help at the other end. They can be served in a bowl & feel
> more like a "meal" than a "nutrition drink".

I never thought about cold soups. Thanks, bj, what a great idea! I
imagine I'd have to watch the high-acid fruits and veggies, but
vichyssoise would be smooth and calorie-dense.

> For a hot meal (which I can't bear thinking about right now) there are
> plenty of puree-soup things.

I ate an entire can of condensed tomato soup last night. I use the
"healthy" kind with lower sodium and less fat then I put a big chunk of
unsalted butter and a dash of dried basil leaves into it.

> I remember the dairy-mucous connection from way-back-when, when the girls
> singing in an evening concert or show were told not to drink milk with
> dinner (age-give-away -- this is back when girls actually *drank milk with
> dinner!!!) -- because it would mess up their throats & be bad for their
> voices for the performance.
> bj

When my children were small the pediatrician would take them off of
dairy when they had upper respiratory infections.

Thanks for your thoughts, bj. I really appreciate your taking the time
to help me.

Hugs,
Janet

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bj - 19 Jul 2006 21:09 GMT
> ...vichyssoise would be smooth and calorie-dense....

....from all the xxx-thick cream in it!
(but maybe there's some recipe that'd come close w/o dairy, or at least be
tasty if not "the same")

Now about those umbrella-drinks....

Anyways, Bon Appetit!
And Skoal!
bj
Janet Wilder - 19 Jul 2006 23:41 GMT
>>...vichyssoise would be smooth and calorie-dense....
>
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> And Skoal!
> bj

My sister used to make it dairy-free. Potato and leek, IIRC.
I'll have to get her recipe.

Hugs,
Janet

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betsyb - 19 Jul 2006 19:41 GMT
http://www.kraftfoods.com/main.aspx?s=recipe&m=recipe/knet_recipe_grid&u1=bytype
&u2=5*134


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>I have a day here in Houston to waste and high-speed WiFi so I am looking
>for recipes for "smoothies" which the speech therapist recommended as
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>
> Janet, who is feeling better today.
Janet Wilder - 19 Jul 2006 20:47 GMT
> http://www.kraftfoods.com/main.aspx?s=recipe&m=recipe/knet_recipe_grid&u1=bytype
&u2=5*134

Thanks, Betsy. There were a few of them there that didn't have milk
and/or yogurt. I've never seen margarita or pina colada flavored Jello.
Sounds interesting.

Hugs,
Janet

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figgertoes - 19 Jul 2006 20:09 GMT
> I have a day here in Houston to waste and high-speed WiFi so I am
> looking for recipes for "smoothies" which the speech therapist
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> lady. I'm  just trying to work within the parameters of my tolerances. I
> don't mean to sound cranky.

I have something called a Vitamix that looks  like a giant blender.  I
make all-fruit smoothies using berries & banana & peaches.  Good way to
use slightly over-ripe fruit.  I get something called creamed papaya
concentrate at the health food store (no dairy).  Either that or a
banana seems to make a good consistancy.  Toss in an orange or
clementine.  A blender would do similar.  Just avoid putting
blueberries in.  They're a favorite berry but they make gelatin out of
it.  Might sound like good thickener, but NO.  If the bananas start
geting too ripe, I skin them & freeze. I usually use one frozen thing
or add a few ice cubes & thin with a little water.

Mmmm, want one RIGHT NOW!!

> The second thing I'd like to ask is how do ya'll manage to sleep when
> taking pain killers. The opiates and like products keep me from anything
> deeper than drowsing. I tried some Benedryl but that didn't work at all.
> I finally took an Ibuprophen (didn't want any acetaminaphin because it's
> already in the Lortabs) and that helped me sleep but didn't do much for
> the GERD <g>. Is there a trick to sleeping when taking opiates?

Socks had trouble with this - seemed to sleep better during the day.
Ambian (sp) helped sometimes but not all.  Maybe sip small amount of
alcohol - if permitted - in warm bath?  Makes the world seem cooler
when you get out.  We tried bedtime rituals with some success.  Hot
chocolate or non-caffeine sleepy time tea.  Soft classical music
starting an hour or so before.

Since ss make you blush, another idea would turn you crimson...

> I know
> about the stool softeners for the other effects. (blush)

Have you found the Traditional Medicinal teas (& other brands) for
this?  Hospice recommended & they really worked in conjunction with the
3 other things.  Names like Easy Moves or Move On - you get the
picture...

> TIA
>
> Janet, who is feeling better today.

Good!!
Fig
Janet Wilder - 19 Jul 2006 20:57 GMT
> I have something called a Vitamix that looks  like a giant blender.  I
> make all-fruit smoothies using berries & banana & peaches.  Good way to
> use slightly over-ripe fruit.  I get something called creamed papaya
> concentrate at the health food store (no dairy).  Either that or a
> banana seems to make a good consistancy.  Toss in an orange or
> clementine.  

Banana and strawberry sounds good. Citrus is too acidic. We have lots of
mango, guava and papaya nectar kind of juices at home. They are
important in the Mexican culture. I'll try some.

A blender would do similar.  Just avoid putting
> blueberries in.  They're a favorite berry but they make gelatin out of
> it.

That's right! Blueberries don't need thickener when in a pie. They dome
with their own.

 We tried bedtime rituals with some success.  Hot
> chocolate or non-caffeine sleepy time tea.  Soft classical music
> starting an hour or so before.

I have some chamomille tea around somewhere. I'll give that a try.

> Since ss make you blush, another idea would turn you crimson...
>
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> 3 other things.  Names like Easy Moves or Move On - you get the
> picture...

I get the picture.  WalMart has their own version of Colace and this
seems to work. I'm hoping that  I won't need too many pain killers.

Thanks for your help, Fig.

Hugs,
Janet

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Bob Allison - 19 Jul 2006 21:59 GMT
> Does anyone have any recipes for smoothies that don't call for dairy or
> soy? Is there such a thing?  Sorry if I seem picky and sound like an old
> lady. I'm  just trying to work within the parameters of my tolerances. I
> don't mean to sound cranky.

I can't help with the pain med problem, but I certainly can speak to
smoothies. Use fruit nectar or juice for a base.   I had lots of fruit
smoothies during my chemo and RT days. Any fruit can be used to thicken it.  
I sometimes used a can of Boost to get started. A spoonfull of protein
powder (Hmmm That's probably soy - use with caution) or any other additive
you can think of can be used to make it "healthy". You are limited only by
what is in season. Even nuts will be blended. A few seconds in a blender
will equalize anything.

What's a blender you say?

That whirry thing you make Frozen Daiquiris in. :=)

Bob (ducking as an empty, I hope, blender sails overhead.)

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Janet Wilder - 19 Jul 2006 23:44 GMT
> What's a blender you say?
>
> That whirry thing you make Frozen Daiquiris in. :=)
>
> Bob (ducking as an empty, I hope, blender sails overhead.)

The blender in our house lives in the bar cabinet. So far it's only task
has been pina coladas.  it might take well to sailing. If not, I certain
it will enjoy some new fruits. <g>

Janet

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Steph - 20 Jul 2006 02:38 GMT
>I have a day here in Houston to waste and high-speed WiFi so I am looking
>for recipes for "smoothies" which the speech therapist recommended as
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>
> Janet, who is feeling better today.

I wouldn't get too carried away until you see what side-effects you get.
If you aren't getting chemo, and they are using IMRT, your side-effects may
be surprisingly little.
Janet Wilder - 20 Jul 2006 15:14 GMT
>  I wouldn't get too carried away until you see what side-effects you get.
> If you aren't getting chemo, and they are using IMRT, your side-effects may
> be surprisingly little.

From your mouth to G-d's ears!!! That's one of the most cheering things
I've heard from a medical professional in a long time.  Thanks, Steph.

Janet

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NinaW - 20 Jul 2006 07:37 GMT
Hi,

Try almond or rice milk as a base and boost the protein with whey
powder (you hopefully shouldn't react to whey because there is no
lactose...). Then add fruits, or peanut butter or whatever sounds good.
Stay away from "seedy" things like blackberries, they wreck the
texture.

HTH

Nina
Frank - 20 Jul 2006 16:10 GMT
>I have a day here in Houston to waste and high-speed WiFi so I am looking
>for recipes for "smoothies" which the speech therapist recommended as
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> the GERD <g>. Is there a trick to sleeping when taking opiates?  I know
> about the stool softeners for the other effects. (blush)

Janet:
I take Polyethalene Glycol 3350 Its a powder I mix with any kind of drink.
Tea, coffee, juice, milk. It's just about tastless.
What it does is keeps some extra water in your "(POO)". as for sleep I take
Adavan to slow my mind down. To wind down
enoughf rom the pain killers so I can sleep. 1 (2 Mg) is usually enough.
however there have been days I have needed (4Mgs)
to wind down the mind enough to sleep. Be careful though. Adavan will slow
you down. What i mean is in the morning you will
be slow getting out of bed. Your speach could be slowed a bit. On a heavier
dose, It has slowed my reflexes in the morning. My
response time to a reflex action is a bit delayed. 1/4 to 1/2 sec behind
what my brain toldme to do.

Frank Sharkey
Stage IV Rectal Cancer Paitent
Dx'd 10/1/05 and Plan to be here
for a great while longer!!   ;-)
turtletrot1 - 27 Jul 2006 16:33 GMT
I bought Resource Plus for Franzi i It has more calories than either
Boost or Ensure.  I went to Google and did a search and then ordered a
case from the best price vendor.  (Actually I dod not think it was more
expensive than the off the shrlf stuff.  Not enough calories in Instand
Breakfast!)  There is also a swedish supplement that has about 750
calories in one drink.  You mix the powder.  Trying to recall the name.
When I do I will tell you.
Blessings.  Keep up the good fight!
turtletrot1 - 27 Jul 2006 16:39 GMT
Got it... Scandishake!  Google will tell you where.  If you need to
maintain weight and use only liquid diet etc,, this really helps.
Comes in Vanilla, Strawberry and Chocolate.
Emily - 20 Jul 2006 23:39 GMT
kelliepoodle@yahoo.com said...
> Does anyone have any recipes for smoothies that don't call for dairy or
> soy? Is there such a thing?  Sorry if I seem picky and sound like an old
> lady. I'm  just trying to work within the parameters of my tolerances. I
> don't mean to sound cranky.

I don't have any recipes, but it occurs to me that mashed banana, though
odd looking when it goes brown, is sweet and liquidy and may (or may
not) make a reasonable base.  Also, how are you with things like rice
milk?  It's expensive in the UK but I'm assuming that if it's the only
thing you can tolerate price won't come into it.  And of course it could
be cheaper in the US.
Janet Wilder - 21 Jul 2006 01:30 GMT
> kelliepoodle@yahoo.com said...
>
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> thing you can tolerate price won't come into it.  And of course it could
> be cheaper in the US.

I tasted it once. Gag!

Did manage a couple of chopped up hot dogs and some cream of mushroom
soup for dinner. I think as the sutures from the pulled teeth heal, I'll
be eating better. New dentist says I'll be fine. I want to believe him.
He said they tell you all the worst scenario stuff so that when it
doesn't happen you are pleasantly surprised. Hope he's right.

Hugs,
J

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Emily - 22 Jul 2006 00:21 GMT
kelliepoodle@yahoo.com said...

> > kelliepoodle@yahoo.com said...
> >
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>
> I tasted it once. Gag!

Oh dear.  Actually, I've never tried it but I'm having difficulty
imagining it having any flavour at all.  My mother has previously been
advised to cut out dairy products for the same reason - but she's lost
so much weight that it's really not practical for her to avoid such
things completely.  She found she couldn't manage fizzy drinks to help
combat the mucous, so she's just had to put up with it and try to carry
on regardless.  Mind, she's always been a fussy eater - no onions, no
garlic, no vinegar, no salad dressings of any kind whatsoever, only the
blandest of sauces... It may well be that you'll be able to take the
fizziness of the soda perfectly well to clear the mucous so you might be
able to continue using dairy stuff.

> Did manage a couple of chopped up hot dogs and some cream of mushroom
> soup for dinner. I think as the sutures from the pulled teeth heal, I'll
> be eating better. New dentist says I'll be fine. I want to believe him.
> He said they tell you all the worst scenario stuff so that when it
> doesn't happen you are pleasantly surprised. Hope he's right.

Me too.  'S not nice when you can't eat.

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janepooh@la.shockware.com - 27 Jul 2006 07:33 GMT
Hi Janet,

I've never posted here before but came across your message because I've
been writing Dairy-free Smoothie ideas for my Gastroparesis (slow or
paralyzed stomach) to share with some friends on another group.   I use
yoghurt in mine quite a bit, but you could also try canned coconut
milk, or frozen juice ice cubes.  I make a killer Frappuccino with
coffee ice cubes (save cold leftover coffee - if you can drink coffee,
that is.)  I mix them in the blender with more coffee, some coffee mate
(YUCK, but it actually tastes quite good) and some sugar.  Delicious on
a hot day.

Boost actually tastes quite good when blended with fruit and spices.
French Vanilla Boost, a can of pears, nutmeg and cinnamon tastes YUMMY
- kinda like Spice Cake, which I am not allowed right now.  I'm on a
liquids only, no meat, no dairy but yoghurt, very low fibre, blend
*everything* diet to try to get my stomach started again.  I'm swollen
like a balloon right now cuz nothing's moving, so I'll do whatever it
takes to help it.

Take GOOD Care,

Jane
Janet Wilder - 27 Jul 2006 19:53 GMT
> Take GOOD Care,
>
> Jane

Thank you for the help, Jane. I appreciate it and I do hope that you
feel better soon.

Janet

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janepooh@la.shockware.com - 27 Jul 2006 21:14 GMT
> Thank you for the help, Jane. I appreciate it and I do hope that you
> feel better soon.
>
> Janet

Oh, me too Janet.  Me Too!!  I'm on my 10th day without chewing a bite
of food, without having a glass of milk or any other dairy, without
eating any meat, without ANYTHING, it seems.   I don't feel *hungry*
cuz my stomach's so full it makes me ill to think of putting more stuff
in it.  I looked like I was nine months pregnant and now I'm down to my
second trimester.

But I MISS chewing!!  LOL  And I'm still making, or at least helping
to make, normal meals for my hubby and son, so I get a 'tease' at least
two times a day when I cook for them and sit beside them while they
eat.  They *LOVE* yoghurt smoothies though.  ;o)

I was a bit jealous when I saw someone saying they had a few bites of a
hot dog.  LOL

My doctor thinks this problem came from one of the medications I'm on
for a different illness.  I have quite bad Temporal Lobe Epilepsy
caused by a Giant Brain Aneurysm.  I had brain surgery a year and a
half ago, but was left with this epilepsy, and I'm on eight different
medications right now.   I'm 43 - way too young for all this crap.  I'm
sure most of you on this group can relate.  ;o)

BTW, while lurking around I noticed the names of several of the meds I
take on a regular basis - Tegretol, Clonazepam, Effexor, Maxeran,
Lasix, Cozaar and Mirapex, plus Ativan to stop seizures, if there's
someone around to give it to me.  If you or anyone has questions about
any of these meds, I might know something that could help - or I might
not.  ;o)

Take GOOD Care,

Jane
Emily - 27 Jul 2006 22:49 GMT
janepooh@la.shockware.com said...
> BTW, while lurking around I noticed the names of several of the meds I
> take on a regular basis - Tegretol, Clonazepam, Effexor, Maxeran,
> Lasix, Cozaar and Mirapex, plus Ativan to stop seizures,

Ativan to stop seizures?
Janet Wilder - 28 Jul 2006 01:22 GMT
> Ativan to stop seizures?

Ativan is my friend. Me and my Ativan are going to handle the head-cage
together and make it through the radiation therapy without a
claustrophobic anxiety attack. I don't know what else it does, but it
sure kept me in control. I bless the pharma company that invented it. I
also bless the pharma company who copied the patent and made it a
genreic so I can afford it <g>

Janet
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Emily - 28 Jul 2006 11:00 GMT
Janet Wilder said...

> > Ativan to stop seizures?
>
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> also bless the pharma company who copied the patent and made it a
> genreic so I can afford it <g>

I've had it myself.  After my father died I was given a few just to get
me to relax enough to sleep.  It was wonderful.  No unwanted side
effects and no inability to switch my brain off at night.  All I needed
was half a tablet... and then a few years back I heard the regulations
for prescribing it in the UK had changed and that it was no longer as
available as it had been.  If that's true I think it's a shame.  I don't
need it, but I'd sure like to know that it was around just in case I
did.
janepooh@la.shockware.com - 28 Jul 2006 07:45 GMT
> janepooh@la.shockware.com said...
> > BTW, while lurking around I noticed the names of several of the meds I
> > take on a regular basis - Tegretol, Clonazepam, Effexor, Maxeran,
> > Lasix, Cozaar and Mirapex, plus Ativan to stop seizures,
> >
> Ativan to stop seizures?

Yeah.  Tegretol (Carbamazepine) is my Primary Anti-convulsant, but I
don't have 'regular' epilepsy - or what they now call Tonic/Clonic
Seizure Disorder.  I have Simple Partial Seizure Disorder, meaning only
one part of my brain is involved - my left Temproal Lobe.  That causes
me to behave really *strangely*, not make good decisions, see auras
sometimes, speak in tongues (total gibberish or words that sound
similar but mean different things or sound totally different but mean
similar things or whatever).  And sometimes I get really REALLY upset,
like I've suddenly gone "Mad" - either laughing or crying or both.

When I'm in this state, if someone gives me 2 to 4 mgs of sub-lingual
Ativan, it calms down my brain.  But if my brain DOESN'T calm down, the
simple partial turns onto a Complex Partial - meaning that the
electrical currents get screwed up between my two Temporall Lobes.
Then I start to get all twitchy or I black out and fall or lots of
different things.  If THAT isn't stopped (these kinds of sezires can go
on a LONG time) it can lead to non-stop Tonic/Clonic seizure activity.
That's how my neurosurgeon and my epileptologist explained it anyway.
I've had a couple of T/C seizures and they're NOT fun.  None of it is,
to be honest.

So if I have any Temporal Lobe Seizure activity, my hubby or son give
me Ativan to stop it before that *cascade* happens.  I haven't been
allowed to drive for a year and a half, but I've now gone almost two
months without any seizure activity, so I have my fingers crossed.  If
I can go six months without one of these episodes, I can drive again.
But if I have even ONE, it resets the clock back to six months.

Does that explain the Ativan thing?  I haven't had to take it in about
two months, which is nice cuz it gives me an Ativan hangover.  Plus,
the seizures make me feel crappy the next day too.  I do take a
'lighter' benzodiazapine - Clonazepam - every day, to keep things on a
more even keel.

But, all in all, I'm managing okay.  Sh*t happens, right?  ;o)  Life's
a beach and then you dive.  

Take GOOD Care,

Jane
Emily - 28 Jul 2006 11:11 GMT
janepooh@la.shockware.com said...
> So if I have any Temporal Lobe Seizure activity, my hubby or son give
> me Ativan to stop it before that *cascade* happens.  I haven't been
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> 'lighter' benzodiazapine - Clonazepam - every day, to keep things on a
> more even keel.

Yep, that explains it perfectly.  And it squares with what I know of it
as a relaxant as well.  I suppose I should have worked that out for
myself really - it must be the weather that's getting to me.  We're not
used to having summer in the UK...  I've been lucky so far: I was
stabilised just over 20 years ago on Sodium Valproate (Epilim) and was
able to drive again within five years.  I've had a full licence (usually
it's triennial) back since the late 1990s, which was a very pleasant
surprise from the licencing authority as I thought I had a couple more
years to go :-)  I take Effexor as well, and it's great while it works,
which is roughly three weeks out of four.  To be honest I'm not sure
anything would work for that fourth week.  And then there's the asthma
and allergy meds...

Tell you what, we ought to all get together and start an on-line
pharmacy.  Between us we should be able to cover most things... :-(

Lor', isn't life fun.

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Bob Allison - 28 Jul 2006 22:18 GMT
>  Life's a beach and then you dive.  

Love that one, can I add it to my list of tag lines?

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janepooh@la.shockware.com - 29 Jul 2006 10:27 GMT
> >  Life's a beach and then you dive.
>
> Love that one, can I add it to my list of tag lines?

Sure Bob.  It's an oldie, but goodie.  I didn't invent it.  Go right
ahead.

> We are all born left handed, but become right handed
> when we commit our first sin.

Hey, I'm left-handed.  Does that mean I haven't committed my first sin?
YIPPEE!!!!  I'd better get started - time's a'wastin'!  <G>

Take GOOD Care,

Jane
Janet Wilder - 28 Jul 2006 01:14 GMT
>>Thank you for the help, Jane. I appreciate it and I do hope that you
>>feel better soon.
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> in it.  I looked like I was nine months pregnant and now I'm down to my
> second trimester.

>  But I MISS chewing!!

Me too! I have half a tongue and now some missing teeth. As  I sit here
I am trying to eat a mushy cracker with some excellent crab-flavored
cheese spread on it and finding that it is taking a whole lot of Diet
Coke to move it around into swallowing position. It will be several
months before my mouth will heal enough to get some teeth replacements.

I am celebrating my last  hurrah so to speak, because I start my
radiation treatment next week, and crackers and cheese as well as Diet
Coke will be taboo. I can manage without milk. I can manage without
chewing but I am really, really upset about the Diet Coke especially
since I also have to give up margaritas and my daily glass of
"medicinal" red wine.

Gastroparesis is a really serious problem. It happens to Diabetics and
my DH is a long-time Diabetic so I'm familiar with the syndrome, though
grateful that he doesn't have it. I have a very mild form of it that
kind of goes with my GERD. I have to be very careful not to eat too much
or I suffer all night long.

My heart goes out to you, Jane. I'll keep you in my thoughts and prayers.

Hugs,
Janet

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janepooh@la.shockware.com - 29 Jul 2006 10:54 GMT
> >  But I MISS chewing!!
>
> Me too! I have half a tongue and now some missing teeth.

GEEZ!  that's too bad, Janet.  I feel for you, lady, that's all I can
say.  Oh, and that I think you must be a pretty strong broad to have
kept up your sense of ha ha 'n all that.

> As  I sit here
> I am trying to eat a mushy cracker with some excellent crab-flavored
> cheese spread on it

YUM!!  Pass it over.  I'll throw it all in the blender and add a bit of
yoghurt - and make SOUP!  LOL

> and finding that it is taking a whole lot of Diet
> Coke to move it around into swallowing position. It will be several
> months before my mouth will heal enough to get some teeth replacements.

Unfortunately, I don't think the diet Coke will go well in the soup.
;o)  But I sure have my fingers crossed for you that you heal fast and
well and that someday you'll be eating crackers with crab cheese spread
and look back on this conversation with a wry smile.

> I am celebrating my last  hurrah so to speak, because I start my
> radiation treatment next week, and crackers and cheese as well as Diet
> Coke will be taboo.

More fingers crossed.  Soon I won't be able to type.  ;o)

> I can manage without milk. I can manage without
> chewing but I am really, really upset about the Diet Coke especially
> since I also have to give up margaritas and my daily glass of
> "medicinal" red wine.

Yeah, I had to give up alcohol too - too many meds and too much
reaction with the seizure activity.

> Gastroparesis is a really serious problem. It happens to Diabetics and
> my DH is a long-time Diabetic so I'm familiar with the syndrome, though
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> Hugs,
> Janet

Thank you so much, Janet.  {{{{{HUGS}}}}} right backatcha.  I didn't
come here looking for hugs - I came to give YOU some support in the
form of more smoothie ideas.  :o)  The people on this group are going
through so much and yet most seem so balanced and 'together'.  I
applaud you.

But now that I've brought that up, I have to say a little something.
Someone came to my In-Box to tell me that I wasn't welcome here -
because some people on another group I regularly attend have trouble
ignoring our 'trolls' and I would bring them here with me if I came.
Oh, and I wasn't to mention this to anyone on this group, according to
this person's 'dictates'.  Apparently, you are all dying of cancer and
don't need to be bothered by the likes of me with my problems.

Notice I haven't mentioned any names - of groups, of senders, of
'trolls' or anything of that sort?  Well, that's because *I* am the
person on my regular group who's most likely to tell people to AVOID
and IGNORE those wee nuisances.  But this e-mail I received made me
feel a little like I was being both censored and profiled without due
cause - and I don't take kindly to either

So, I have a question - I believe you are an unmoderated group,
correct?  Do you or do you not accept hints for smoothie recipes from
people who aren't dying of cancer?  And if the post that brought that
person to this group leads to further discussion - is that verbotten?

I'm happy to leave - go quietly into the night and slink back to my
*own* groups like I was told to, begged to - but I didn't want to do it
on the say-so of ONE person, who I happen to know from other groups at
other times.  I really don't want to cause dissention here, but I used
to be a journalist and I didn't take very kindly to being summarily
BOOTED OUT because of my association with another newsgroup - which I
have never mentioned here and don't intend to, unless asked nicely and
in public.

I was told not to tell anyone about this private e-mail, but, again, I
don't take the words of a total stranger to heart without first
checking to see how valid they are.  I understand that many/most of the
people posting here are very ill with cancer.  The group is called
alt.support.cancer, after all.  I was only trying to help someone with
something I'm very familiar with right now - blending foods to get high
nutrition when you can't eat anything solid.

I hope I didn't step on too many toes.  I apologize if mentioning some
of my *own* ailments was overstepping my bounds.

Take GOOD Care and I wish all of you the best of luck with everything
life holds for you.  Much like I do myself - I have many hurdles to
jump before I sleep.  ;o)  Wish me luck.  LOL

Jane
Bobert - 29 Jul 2006 23:14 GMT
> But now that I've brought that up, I have to say a little something.
> Someone came to my In-Box to tell me that I wasn't welcome here -
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> this person's 'dictates'.  Apparently, you are all dying of cancer and
> don't need to be bothered by the likes of me with my problems.

All the more reason to not to use your real e-mail address in Usenet. Hope
you blocked this nffubyr from your mailbox.

Bob

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