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J - 07 Jun 2006 11:37 GMT
Hello out there,
Wikipedia says that "Newsgroups frequently become cliquish". Prove them
wrong. :)
I've been lurking on several (non-cancer) newsgroups, waiting and watching
for the return of people who have health troubles, so if you've posted
here before, you can be sure that others are wondering what's up with you
(or your loved one).  George,  Nina, Eric, chris, Jackie (and her sister),
Salisha, Sinead, Joe, Jon-boy, SS (how's your husband?), Frank, Billx,
Tony (how's the researching going?) Stephen, Tammy & Dash (Jenny)
(Fibrolamellar liver cancer), Araik, Laurie's Mom, Lori - how you doing?,
Emily's mother and everyone one else.
Come on in and update us.

If you've never posted (lurking), come on out and introduce yourself. Join
the roll call.
Newer posters as well. Join the roll call.
J
alex - 07 Jun 2006 11:58 GMT
Why don't you be the first J,how are things going for you? Has this
terrorism plot hit home? Who do you have in your life with cancer? What is
your background as a researcher? I think everyone would love to know.
Alex
Figgertoes - 07 Jun 2006 14:31 GMT
Figgertoes here.

It's hard to believe it's been 9 months today since Socks (husband) died of
NSCLC caused, as best anyone can determine, by second-hand smoke.  Still
experiencing mini-showers triggered by I don't always know what.

His headstone is complete & has been in place for several weeks now.  Am
almost ready to have his ashes buried there.  It feels like Charlie's place
& I stop there to see it often, just for a few minutes, trying to get used
to the idea of parting with ashes. Almost ready, almost.

Spent the early Spring helping get Colorado Clean Indoor Air (Non-Smoking)
Law passed.  It is dedicated to Socks by it's sponsors & goes into effect
7/1.  I will raise a stein in Socks' favorite hangout that day, in his
honor.  He worked so hard to get that passed last year.

Am now fighting off a 24/7 Wal-Mart Superstore that is to be sandwiched
between 2 residential neighborhoods & backing to a wildlife park (this is
no joke).  I keep making changes here. Adding security doors all around so
I can keep the house open without concern.  Wrecked car & got Prius.  Socks
would be amazed at all the changes here as am I, in 9 short months.  Am
involved in some relationships but feel strong need for independence & time
alone without expectations.  That's the hardest part for me, remaining
commitment-free, but it's necessary for now.

Figgertoes
alex - 07 Jun 2006 23:03 GMT
">
> Am now fighting off a 24/7 Wal-Mart Superstore that is to be sandwiched
> between 2 residential neighborhoods & backing to a wildlife park (this is
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>
> Figgertoes

Wow, 9 months.  You are keeping Socks spirit alive! Alex
J - 08 Jun 2006 00:39 GMT
> It's hard to believe it's been 9 months today since Socks (husband) died of
> NSCLC caused, as best anyone can determine, by second-hand smoke.  Still
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> alone without expectations.  That's the hardest part for me, remaining
> commitment-free, but it's necessary for now.

I understand. You were rushed off your feet.
Take the time to mourn and say goodbye and redefine who you are and what you
want.
Maybe you will part with the ashes soon or maybe you won't. Do what feels right
for you.
Hugs
J
Figgertoes - 08 Jun 2006 07:43 GMT
> I understand. You were rushed off your feet.
> Take the time to mourn and say goodbye and redefine who you are and
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> Hugs
> J

Thanks, J.  You know, it's not that I go into the living room & visit the
ashes much, it's just that once they're buried, they're out there
permanently & not here.

I'm still wearing both of our wedding rings every day & no one seems to
mind at all.  The rings still feel right & give me comfort in some small
way.  I'm starting over now with my year of no major decisions as the first
9 months don't really count.  Most days are happy or at least have happy
moments. And I'm really out there meeting tons of new people.  But I'm only
interested in dating men I've known for many, many years. No complaints.

Hugs,
Fig

Alayne - 08 Jun 2006 07:53 GMT
>> I understand. You were rushed off your feet.
>> Take the time to mourn and say goodbye and redefine who you are and
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> Hugs,
> Fig

Hi Fig,

Little suggestion if it would make you feel more comfortable, why don't you
keep some of the ashes rather than burying them all?  You could perhaps put
some in a nice hand crafted trinket box, then a part of Socks would always
be with you.

There's simply no right and no wrong, you go with your instincts.

Warm Hugs

Alayne
Figgertoes - 08 Jun 2006 14:38 GMT
> Hi Fig,
>
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>
> Alayne

Hi, Alayne,

That's a great idea & I think I will.  It doesn't have to be all or
nothing.  I don't think I want a big ceremony over buring the ashes.  I
want to be there, but I think that's enough.

The other day, one of Socks' friends & I were discussing & she said, "Socks
went out with many bangs."  That's funny & describes it well.

Fig
Pen - 08 Jun 2006 15:17 GMT
>> Hi Fig,
>>
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>
> Fig

I think that is a wonderful idea. What about one of those beautiful
necklaces that you make. Like the one you gave me. You could put some ashes
in there couldn't you? When you wore it he would be close to your heart. :-)

hugs
Penny
Emily - 08 Jun 2006 09:06 GMT
me@privacy.net said...
>  But I'm only
> interested in dating men I've known for many, many years. No complaints.

What you need is a cuddly teddy bear...  ;-)

{{{{{Fig}}}}}

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Figgertoes - 08 Jun 2006 14:40 GMT
Emily <me@privacy.net> wrote in news:MPG.1ef1ec2e15c168e998b597
@news.individual.net:

> me@privacy.net said...
>>  But I'm only
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>
> {{{{{Fig}}}}}

Uh...I'll email you soon.
Fig
turtletrot1 - 08 Jun 2006 13:00 GMT
> I'm still wearing both of our wedding rings every day & no one seems to
> mind at all.  The rings still feel right & give me comfort in some small
> way.

It will be 9 months for me on the 18th of June.  I wear two watches!
Mine and Franzi's.  I do get peculiar looks.  Since mine is digital and
his was the old fashioned "hands" I tell people I am learning to tell
time the old fashioned way!  (Lots of kids today know only digital.
And with the advent of velcro, cannot tie shoes!)
You may remember Franzi's three sons came from Germany and we all
carried Franzi's ashes in a biodegradable dissolveable wreath/urn into
the sea here.  We live 100 yards from the shore.  That was a Saturday.
The following Monday kids went back to Germany, daughter back to New
England.  Sister and brother-in-law stayed and Tuesday we went through
all Franzi's clothes and shoes and disposed of them in various ways.  I
kept the jacket he always wore, and his Loden Bavarian hat that was
such a part of him.  I know if my sister had not been there to help the
stuff would still be here.  I am so glad I did that then.
I can't see him anymore, but his presence is always with me.  I am sure
it is that way with you and your beloved.
Pen - 07 Jun 2006 15:19 GMT
Another Roll Call. I'm so lucky to be one of those that can keep responding
to them :-)

Just recently completed 5 days of radiation to try to stop my coughing. Been
about 7 days now and the coughing is subsiding but not completely gone.

Went for a bone scan a week ago and will have those results next Monday.

I do find that I'm very tired all the time. Have had home care come by, I
think more to just meet and have some visits before I really need them. That
was a tough one. I am not ready to give into home care yet. :-)

Coming up to 1 year since dx. All in all, I'm doing okay and not to many
complaints.

Penny
http://pensclc.blogspot.com/
betsyb - 07 Jun 2006 15:40 GMT
> Another Roll Call. I'm so lucky to be one of those that can keep
> responding to them :-)
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> Penny
> http://pensclc.blogspot.com/
Good morning all. I am heading to the Hosp for bloodwork this morning. My
last chemo is tomorrow morning. I really am glad that is over for now. I am
really tired of all the Dr appts. Barely leaves time for fishing and heading
south to see my youngest son.
According to the Onc, I am doing just fine. Will know better after the Chemo
is done and this body is scanned. I have no idea when that will be.
Cigarettes are way down. 6 or less a day from two packs. I am no damn
quitter! Using Quest 3 with almost no nicotine.
Zyban will be tried next. Nothing else has worked.
I keep checking to see if my hair is doing anything, it's NOT!

BetsyB
J - 08 Jun 2006 01:11 GMT
> Good morning all. I am heading to the Hosp for bloodwork this morning. My
> last chemo is tomorrow morning. I really am glad that is over for now. I am
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> Zyban will be tried next. Nothing else has worked.
> I keep checking to see if my hair is doing anything, it's NOT!

Good for you for cutting back, Betsy.
Yay ! Last treatment tomorrow.
Good luck with the scans.
Then it's fishing and family visits.
Please let us know if you're leaving so we don't worry if we don't hear from
you.
Take care,
J
betsyb - 08 Jun 2006 01:51 GMT
>> Good morning all. I am heading to the Hosp for bloodwork this morning. My
>> last chemo is tomorrow morning. I really am glad that is over for now. I
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
> Take care,
> J
I will let you all know. I worry when someone skips a day. I need to get a
life.
Betsy
clifto - 17 Jun 2006 04:06 GMT
> Cigarettes are way down. 6 or less a day from two packs. I am no damn
> quitter! Using Quest 3 with almost no nicotine.
> Zyban will be tried next. Nothing else has worked.

From someone who did it: first, there is no magic, most everything advertised
is a placebo. Going cold turkey, you'll vibrate and cuss for about three
days, then the physical addiction is past the worst and it's nearly all
psychological. In fact, it sounds like you're past a lot of the physical
stuff already, with the low nicotine system, so you might do better than
you think if you cold-turkey. To me the mental part is the worst, 95% of
the battle.

I'm using Zyban under a different name, Wellbutrin XL, 150 mg twice a day.
Even though my doctor smiled when I said to her what I just said to you,
she said that this stuff helps keep weight gain down after cessation, and
it does. I recommend it. The reason for the name game? The hospitalization
wouldn't pay for it, the *exact*same*drug*, under the Zyban name but they
liked it just fine under the other name.

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Pen - 17 Jun 2006 04:27 GMT
>> Cigarettes are way down. 6 or less a day from two packs. I am no damn
>> quitter! Using Quest 3 with almost no nicotine.
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> wouldn't pay for it, the *exact*same*drug*, under the Zyban name but they
> liked it just fine under the other name.

I did the Wellbutrin thing at one point too. Wellbutrin was used for
depression and they found people taking that smoked lost the urge to smoke
so, ta da, Zyban. Here in Canada too, Wellbutrin will be paid for by
insurance, Zyban not in most cases. Another reason that I went the
Wellbutrin way was Zyban wasn't available in Canada at the time, only in the
US. (as you can see this was a few years back.)

Penny
Janet Wilder - 17 Jun 2006 16:07 GMT
>>Cigarettes are way down. 6 or less a day from two packs. I am no damn
>>quitter! Using Quest 3 with almost no nicotine.
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> you think if you cold-turkey. To me the mental part is the worst, 95% of
> the battle.

From someone else who did it and will be celebrating my fourth
anniversary smoke-free in a few days:

I made up my own technique. When I had 3 packs left I began to cut down.
By the end of the last pack, I was relighting the same cigarette two or
three times a day. When the last one was gone, I already had a good deal
of the nicotine out of my system. I had tried patches before and all it
seemed to me was to substitute how the nicotine got in and didn't break
the addiction to the chemical.

I realized that smoking was more than a addiction, it was a behavior. I
needed to modify my behavior in order to conquer the post-chemical
cravings that stemmed from years of behavior. Things like picking up the
phone and lighting up. Finishing a household chore and rewarding myself
with a smoke. When a habit is also your reward system, it's very
difficult to break. I think that's why smokers have so much trouble.

I remembered the LaMaze course I took when I had my last child and I
realized that it, too, was a program to substitute a behavior by
concentration on something else like breathing patterns.  I went out and
bought a little book on Yoga breathing techniques. They were easy to
learn. Everytime I had a craving, I did a few minutes of this relaxation
breathing. It worked for me when other things like patches,
anti-depressants and hypnosis didn't.

Of course, I realize that my little program probably won't work for
anyone but me, but perhaps some of you can use my ideas to your benefit.

Final words:  So I quit and  *still* got cancer. Ask me why I'm angry.

Hugs and good wishes to all,

Janet

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Janet Wilder - 17 Jun 2006 16:08 GMT
>>Cigarettes are way down. 6 or less a day from two packs. I am no damn
>>quitter! Using Quest 3 with almost no nicotine.
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> you think if you cold-turkey. To me the mental part is the worst, 95% of
> the battle.

From someone else who did it and will be celebrating my fourth
anniversary smoke-free in a few days:

I made up my own technique. When I had 3 packs left I began to cut down.
By the end of the last pack, I was relighting the same cigarette two or
three times a day. When the last one was gone, I already had a good deal
of the nicotine out of my system. I had tried patches before and all it
seemed to me was to substitute how the nicotine got in and didn't break
the addiction to the chemical.

I realized that smoking was more than a addiction, it was a behavior. I
needed to modify my behavior in order to conquer the post-chemical
cravings that stemmed from years of behavior. Things like picking up the
phone and lighting up. Finishing a household chore and rewarding myself
with a smoke. When a habit is also your reward system, it's very
difficult to break. I think that's why smokers have so much trouble.

I remembered the LaMaze course I took when I had my last child and I
realized that it, too, was a program to substitute a behavior by
concentration on something else like breathing patterns.  I went out and
bought a little book on Yoga breathing techniques. They were easy to
learn. Everytime I had a craving, I did a few minutes of this relaxation
breathing. It worked for me when other things like patches,
anti-depressants and hypnosis didn't.

Of course, I realize that my little program probably won't work for
anyone but me, but perhaps some of you can use my ideas to your benefit.

Final words:  So I quit and  *still* got cancer. Ask me why I'm angry.

Hugs and good wishes to all,

Janet

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Pen - 17 Jun 2006 17:18 GMT
<snip>

> Final words:  So I quit and  *still* got cancer. Ask me why I'm angry.
>
> Hugs and good wishes to all,
>
> Janet

Me too Janet..... quite 1 year before I was diagnosed. Sucks hey? I guess
you could say "if only" but instead I'm fighting to get more funding for
lung cancer and to get cigerettes illegal or only sold in liquor stores.
Here you have to be 18 or older to buy anything in a liquor store. Most kids
won't start if they haven't by 18. :-) My dream is that my grandchildren
will not even have the chance to try a cigerette.
Penny
http://pensclc.blogspot.com/
Janet Wilder - 17 Jun 2006 18:15 GMT
> <snip>
>
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> Me too Janet..... quite 1 year before I was diagnosed. Sucks hey?

As they say in New York City: "it sucks big time!"

>I guess
> you could say "if only" but instead I'm fighting to get more funding for
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> Penny
> http://pensclc.blogspot.com/ 

I share your dream and admire your ideals. If I had the energy to start
a fight right now, it would be that no American should go without access
to the best health care just because they can't afford it. The way our
government sinfully wastes money, surely they could find a few billion
to set up a fund for qualified Americans to get some assistance when
faced with death from a catastrophic disease.

Janet, who was naive and is not ashamed.

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Pen - 17 Jun 2006 19:12 GMT
<snip>

> Janet, who was naive and is not ashamed.

Funny, a friend and I were just talking about being naive and about how hard
it is to get the message across that funds are needed. She gave a speach and
said she watched the people and most were "sleeping" through it, even the
ones wearing the "pink" ribbon and the "yellow" bracelets just got up and
left when it was done. It was like it goes in one ear and out the other.
People just don't want to hear it anymore I guess. Or until it touches you
personally...... I think I could be one of those way back, I'm sad to say.
Penny
Janet Wilder - 17 Jun 2006 23:31 GMT
> <snip>
>
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> personally...... I think I could be one of those way back, I'm sad to say.
> Penny

It's amazing how many people are not aware that Americans are being
denied health care. I think most, like I was, just don't want to hear
about it. It's too terrible to believe that it's happening in America.
None of us want to think that the Land of the Free, Home of the Brave
has people who go untreated because they are either not poor enough or
not wealthy enough.

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David Azose - 18 Jun 2006 07:15 GMT
>> <snip>
>>
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> has people who go untreated because they are either not poor enough or
> not wealthy enough.

Hi Janet,

I don't know if you remember, I wrote about my having had tongue cancer
about 11 years ago and how important it was to always have follow-up
exams. What I didn't write was that I had a new episode of cancer on my
neck in December or 2004. The surgeon suspects that the "locus" of both
cancers is deep in my tongue  Anyway, I did have radical neck surgery
followed by concurrent chemo and radiation. The radiation was every
weekday for 6 weeks and the chemo was once a week for the same six
weeks. Prior to the surgery, I had both a feeding tube and a porta-cath
put in. Both procedures were relatively painless.

The radiation oncologist also referred me to a dentist with whom he had
worked before. The dentist pulled 2 teeth that he thought were
problematic and might cause problems later from the radiation. He also
made "trays" for my teeth to be used for the double duty of fluoride
treatment each night and more importantly, during radiation to help
protect your teeth from the radiation. I can't stress enough how
important it is to use those trays as often as you can. If my experience
is any measure, it's very important. My lower front teeth are decaying
fairly quickly as a result of my salivary glands in front being
destroyed. I won't go into any more detail but to say I wish someone had
emphasized how important it was to use those trays with the fluoride
every single day.

There's no getting around the fact that radiation is hard on a person,
but it's certainly worth it...I'm still here and doing fine, dental
problems not withstanding. Good luck. Write if you want more information
on my experience as it sounds quite similar to what you will be doing.

David Azose
Janet Wilder - 18 Jun 2006 16:31 GMT
> There's no getting around the fact that radiation is hard on a person,
> but it's certainly worth it...I'm still here and doing fine, dental
> problems not withstanding. Good luck. Write if you want more information
> on my experience as it sounds quite similar to what you will be doing.

Thank you for the helpful information, David. I learned about the trays
and flouride rinses from others, too. One of the things I will be doing
at Anderson is consulting with an oncological dentist for a dental program.

Good wishes for your continued health,

Janet

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Tanada - 19 Jun 2006 00:06 GMT
>>> <snip>
>>>
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>
> David Azose

<<<Hugs David>>>

It's good to see you posting in here.  Please continue to take care of
yourself and I hope that we see many more posts from you in the years to
come.

Pam S.
starfleet - 18 Jun 2006 00:57 GMT
Janet Wilder schreef:

> Final words:  So I quit and  *still* got cancer. Ask me why I'm angry.
>
> Hugs and good wishes to all,
>
> Janet

It makes me less angry that my cancer (bladdercancer) was probably
caused by my smoking I think. You have a cause for your cancer, Penn
has, I have, lots of people haven't.

Anne
clifto - 21 Jun 2006 05:27 GMT
> I'm using Zyban under a different name, Wellbutrin XL,

Wellbutrin SR. Why do they put the 'R' so close to the 'L'?

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Tanada - 18 Jun 2006 23:56 GMT
> Good morning all. I am heading to the Hosp for bloodwork this morning. My
> last chemo is tomorrow morning. I really am glad that is over for now. I am
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> Zyban will be tried next. Nothing else has worked.
> I keep checking to see if my hair is doing anything, it's NOT!

Betsyb, hope that you got great news from your drs.  They do let you
have some peace after a while, it just doesn't seem like it.

I quit smoking ten years ago in September as a present to myself.  One
day I woke up, looked at the full ashtray on my night stand and thought,
why in h*ll am I doing this to myself?  I knew that I'd wimp out without
help, so I used the nicotine patches to help out, and whenever I wanted
a cigarette, I'd eat a sunflower seed.  I'd have to unshell them first,
which helped slow me down on eating them, and I also took up walking.
It really helped me get away from the cigarettes and get my breath back.
 The day that I walked to the top of a steep hill without losing my
breath was a celebration day for me.  I bought myself a cup of coffee.

Pam S.
starfleet - 08 Jun 2006 01:07 GMT
Pen schreef:

> Coming up to 1 year since dx. All in all, I'm doing okay and not to many
> complaints.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
>  
Same here.

No complaints and the original tumor that was a threat to my being able
to walk is gone, the metastasis are not gone and invited little  friends
but they are to small to be bothered with for now.

I say we're in for a beautiful  summer Pen. No use thinking any further.

Anne
Pen - 08 Jun 2006 01:48 GMT
"starfleet" <starfleet1960@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:44876a2e$0$726> Same here.

> No complaints and the original tumor that was a threat to my being able to
> walk is gone, the metastasis are not gone and invited little  friends but
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> Anne

I agree. An absolutely wonderful summer it will be. :-)
Penny
J - 08 Jun 2006 01:20 GMT
> Another Roll Call. I'm so lucky to be one of those that can keep responding
> to them :-)
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> think more to just meet and have some visits before I really need them. That
> was a tough one. I am not ready to give into home care yet. :-)

Good luck with the bone scan, Penny.
It's good to read that the RT has helped some.
I see you're knitting. A friend of mine decided to knit an afghan for her
employer's daughter's wedding.
She called me to tell me it was finished. Only one problem, well two actually.
She made an error in the pattern.. She knit the length for her height - 4'8" and
they're both almost 6' hee hee.  I told her if one of them wanted to bundle up
in it on the couch their legs and feet would be sticking out.  So off she went
to hurry up to take it apart and redo the pattern correctly and make it longer.
<g>
She's a fast knitter. She got it done in 4 days !
Best wishes with the sweaters. I'm sure they'll love them. :)
J
J - 20 Jun 2006 10:13 GMT
> Just recently completed 5 days of radiation to try to stop my coughing. Been
> about 7 days now and the coughing is subsiding but not completely gone.
>
> Went for a bone scan a week ago and will have those results next Monday.
>
> I do find that I'm very tired all the time.

hello Penny,
I'll be looking for your update from the oncologist's today.
Hoping (s)he has answers for you about the lump and help for your nausea.
Hugs
J
Belle Gin - 07 Jun 2006 18:04 GMT
> Hello out there,
> Wikipedia says that "Newsgroups frequently become cliquish". Prove them
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> Newer posters as well. Join the roll call.
> J

Hello, Belle here, Dad has metastatic mesentary tumor.

It has been a rough few months.  Dad has been in hosp. with staphl.
infection for several weeks.  They've about got it knocked down, finally.
It has set him back quite a bit as no chemo was given while they were
sorting out this latest problem.  He responds very well to chemo when he
gets it so we just hope he can get back on his regimen once he gets home and
reinstate some of the quality of life he had up until early this year.  Have
become more concerned about his primary care giver, my mother, who is pretty
stubborn and convinced she is the only one who can take care of him. It's an
awful lot for her with all family several hundred miles away.

I look forward to reading updates from the rest of you.  Although I rarely
post, I read frequently and feel as if I've gotten to "know" you all and
your respective situations.
Thanks, Belle.
J - 08 Jun 2006 01:06 GMT
> Hello, Belle here, Dad has metastatic mesentary tumor.
>
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> stubborn and convinced she is the only one who can take care of him. It's an
> awful lot for her with all family several hundred miles away.

I'm sorry to hear about your father's infection, Belle.
Hopefully, it'll be remedied soon and he'll be home where your mother can
continue her role as his carer and get back on his treatment plan as soon as
possible.
Hang in there, hopefully things will be looking up soon for all.
Hugs
J
NinaW - 07 Jun 2006 20:16 GMT
Hi,

Stuff has been up and down lately. Dad's latest chemo seems to have
stopped working, his protein markers are on their way back up. It was
only supposed to be a break from the harsher cysplatin (spelling?) but
worked so well, for awhile, they decided to keep him on it longer. He
sees his Dr next week, we'll see what they say.

He and Mom are getting depressed. The routine of chemo and trying to
get food in is getting to both of them. I encourage them both to get
out and have fun on the days that Dad feels good. Mom is terrified with
fear over losing Dad. I don't know what to do to help. They could be
doing this so different, it's like they are waiting for a cure or
death. They are missing out on living the days that are there. I have
been talking to Mom about getting in touch with hospice for
counselling.

I honestly think that they have no idea what they want or how to have
fun.

All in all though, things are going well. Dad was supposed to be gone
by now and instead he is still strong and the cancer has not grown back
a great deal from the terrific amount that was killed.

Nina
Pen - 07 Jun 2006 21:08 GMT
> Hi,
>
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>
> Nina

Nina,

If there is anything I can do from a distance, please let me know. I would
help in anyway that I could.

hugs
Penny
J - 08 Jun 2006 00:45 GMT
> "NinaW" <radiography@canada.com> wrote in message
>
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> If there is anything I can do from a distance, please let me know. I would
> help in anyway that I could.

From a distance?  Setting limits on visitors now?
Hugs
J
Pen - 08 Jun 2006 01:49 GMT
>> "NinaW" <radiography@canada.com> wrote in message
>>
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> Hugs
> J

hehehehe........ you are right! Are u going to come visit me? <grin>

hugs back at ya!
Penny
maryanne kehoe - 15 Jun 2006 03:21 GMT
>An absolutely wonderful summer it will be.

Agreed! Ken's last blood work and MRI were clear. He's still on chemo
for the foreseeable future even though there is NO cancer present.

We can look toward the future-hopefully next month we will be closing on
a house purchase!
J - 08 Jun 2006 00:58 GMT
> Stuff has been up and down lately. Dad's latest chemo seems to have
> stopped working, his protein markers are on their way back up. It was
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> I honestly think that they have no idea what they want or how to have
> fun.

Hello Nina,
Thanks for answering the rollcall.
Gosh, we slipped.
We should have sent your Mom and Dad down with Penny to San Fran with Fig.
Counselling sounds like a fine idea, but they also (like you said) soiund
like they need some fun in their lives.  Is he too unwell to enjoy the West
Coast or has he seen it all?
A cruise up or down the coast?  A trip to visit Penny's (fair city).???
Rail sounds wonderful but the rates are higher this time of the year
http://www.train-canada.net/via_railprices4.htm

I was thinking that if Penny was up to it, they could have some fun in her
city and maybe talking with her and her DH might help them somewhat come to
terms... Even you could go to watch over them. There must be some nice
hotels there.
I think he needs a break from being a patient and some time away...
No time like the present, before he starts to feel worse.
They both also might benefit from a mild anti depressant. Some help with
appetite.
Then he could come back after rethinking and discuss plans with oncologist
and/or hospice.

Hugs
J
Pen - 08 Jun 2006 01:52 GMT
>> Stuff has been up and down lately. Dad's latest chemo seems to have
>> stopped working, his protein markers are on their way back up. It was
[quoted text clipped - 40 lines]
> Hugs
> J

What a wonderful Idea!! I would love to have them (and u) come for a visit.
We would be able to take them to the mountains and see Jasper and icefields.
That would be awesome!

I sure like J's ideas. :-)

Penny
NinaW - 08 Jun 2006 02:59 GMT
Thank you both! Dad is supposed to be going on a fishing trip at the
end of the month, I don't know how motivated he is to go. He and Mom
own 3 acres of oceanfront on Vancouver Island, only 40 minutes from
Victoria right beside a provincial park. That place has been Dad's
dream, we can't even get him to go there. We offer to help out with the
work involved with travel and all that but he just isn't interested. We
know something is wrong when we cannot get him to his favorite place on
earth!

I so much appreciate the offers! At this point I think that we need to
get him to the Island first before trying something new. I need to have
a talk with him about all this. He'll listen to me because of my own
illness and what I have been through. I know where he is at. I also
know that wasting the time you do have left means that you may as well
die when you get the diagnosis.

I think he will bounce back. Dad is very resiliant. Everyone is allowed
the dark days. We just have to make sure that he doesn't stay there!

Nina
Maria - 08 Jun 2006 04:03 GMT
Maria here.  I've just completed my last cycle of chemo a couple of
weeks ago.  Just waiting for my surgery to reverse my ileostomy.

How time flies, I joined this group as soon as I was diagnosed.  And
I'm now at the homestretch of my treatment.

Background:
Diagnosis:  Colorectal cancer Stage III
- continous chemo with daily radiation:  October - November 2005
- Surgery - January 2006
- 4 cycles of chemo:  February - May 2006

Although I've been silent lately; this group helped me deal with so
many concerns I had with my treatment.

Maria

> Thank you both! Dad is supposed to be going on a fishing trip at the
> end of the month, I don't know how motivated he is to go. He and Mom
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>
> Nina
J - 08 Jun 2006 10:46 GMT
> Maria here.  I've just completed my last cycle of chemo a couple of
> weeks ago.  Just waiting for my surgery to reverse my ileostomy.
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> Although I've been silent lately; this group helped me deal with so
> many concerns I had with my treatment.

Ah Maria,
Always good to hear from you.  Has a surgery date been set yet?
Last you wrote end of June or early July.

Please let us know closer to the time.
You can be sure we'll all be pulling for successful surgery and speedy
recovery and on to summer things. :)
Hugs
J
Maria - 13 Jun 2006 19:15 GMT
Thanks, J.  YOu are the pillar that holds this group together.

I have no surgery date yet (for my ileostomy reversal) but will be sure
to post once the date is confirmed.  I am nervous of the surgery but at
the same time looking forward to getting it done so I can finally
return to a more "normal" life.

It's funny.  Now that I am done with my treatments, I am actually very
scared of the cancer coming back.  IN the last months, my mind was
focused on the treatment, now my head is starting to think, what if the
cancer comes back and my days now form part of my few remaining days?
I dread thinking of this but it creeps on the mind every now and again.

For now, I should be enjoying the fact that I am cancer-free.  If only
I could have this ileostomy taken down now, then I can begin to truly
do whatever my heart wishes.

Thanks again for the email.  They always brighten my day.

Maria

> > Maria here.  I've just completed my last cycle of chemo a couple of
> > weeks ago.  Just waiting for my surgery to reverse my ileostomy.
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> Hugs
> J
Pen - 14 Jun 2006 00:28 GMT
> Thanks, J.  YOu are the pillar that holds this group together.
>
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>
> Maria

Hi Maria,

I know how you feel. I completed treatments Sept 30th, except for some
palliative radiation recently. I keep thinking now all I can do is wait for
the cancer to take over. Can be very frustrating and I consciously work on
keeping those thoughts away, though not always successfully.

I've written about in my blog if you think it might help to read but just
know that you are not alone in feeling the way you do. I'm here with you.
:-)
Hugs
Penny
http://pensclc.blogspot.com/
starfleet - 14 Jun 2006 00:43 GMT
Pen schreef:

> Hi Maria,
>
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>
>  
Hi Pen,

For me in a way the in between time seemed harder. I had my last summer
last year ( I thought), living life to the fullest, trip here and there,
old friends over etc. etc. Now what?? I felt fine but I knew the cancer
was not gone and I couldn't continue "normal" life, get back to work,
make long term plans, but I couldn't get the "Carpe Diem" back I had
last year back either.

Maybe it's wrong the thread to post this, since Maria is cancerfree and
afraid it might come back and you and I are in the palliative stage.

Anne
Maria - 14 Jun 2006 01:18 GMT
Hi Pen and Anne.  I will read your blog.  Thanks for your comforting
words.

No worries, Anne, I always find comfort in knowing I am not alone in my
feelings.  It's a classic case I guess of misery loving company :-).
Please know I don't mean that in a derogatory sense.  I actually just
want to say, cancer can be very isolating, even with support from
friends and family.  And to know that there are others out there going
through the physical discomforts, the pain and the complex emotions
that come with cancer, makes me feel more "normal" and not alone.

Maria

> Pen schreef:
> >
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>
> Anne
Pen - 14 Jun 2006 15:26 GMT
> Hi Pen,
>
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>
> Anne

I find that I am making "long Term" plans in spans of 2 months, not much
more. That is my future and it helps to have those plans, no matter how
small. I decided I needed to knit my granddaughters matching sweaters for
the fall and it would take 2 months to do so, so that takes me to August.
Now we are going to move Sept 1st so I need to be able to get things all
settled in the new home so I guess that takes me a little beyond 2 months.
That one scares me a little as, for me, that's a long way away.

I guess I'm feeling exactoy the same you are. What now? Last year was a wirl
wind of travel, outings, in between treatments. I've found people aren't
"around" as much either. Life has gotten back to normal for most. Ours is
what I call a "new normal". :-)

Thanks Anne, it really does help to know another feels the same way!
Hugs
Penny
J - 14 Jun 2006 02:03 GMT
> Thanks, J.  YOu are the pillar that holds this group together.
>
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>
> Thanks again for the email.  They always brighten my day.

Thank you, Maria.
When I saw your post, I thought of "Facing Forward: After Treatment" on the
NCI website.
http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/life-after-treatment
It's common for people to feel some degree of uncertainty.
Page 6 says that the first year is the worst.
I can't guarantee there'll be no recurrance, but I feel a huge degree of
positivity about your situation since you had neoadjuvant and adjuvant
chemo.

Try to think positive, Maria. It won't guarantee a cure, but it'll sure help
your quality of life.
I'm sending postive vibes for your upcoming surgery and hoping that after
that you'll be so busy getting back into life as a survivor, that I'll be
here "whining" that we don't hear enough from you. :)
Hugs, Maria
J
Maria - 19 Jun 2006 14:42 GMT
Thanks, J.  You not only give emotional support but practical support
as well.  YOur link is very helpful.

And yes, I am enjoying the break from my chemotherapy (I'm done with
all the cycles, just waiting for my surgery).  I do have a surgery date
now, I am scheduled to have my ileostomy reversed on July 4th.

I hope that everything goes well, I will keep you guys updated.

Maria

> Thank you, Maria.
> When I saw your post, I thought of "Facing Forward: After Treatment" on the
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> Hugs, Maria
> J
J - 20 Jun 2006 10:41 GMT
> Thanks, J.  You not only give emotional support but practical support
> as well.  YOur link is very helpful.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> I hope that everything goes well, I will keep you guys updated.

Hi Maria,
So we have a date for "liftoff". Thanks for letting us know.
Please give a shout out, just before. I've got so many dates in my head now, I
don't know which belongs to whom <g>
I'll be watching for your update.
Best wishes are being sent your way.
J
Pen - 08 Jun 2006 15:16 GMT
> Thank you both! Dad is supposed to be going on a fishing trip at the
> end of the month, I don't know how motivated he is to go. He and Mom
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>
> Nina

The Offer is open should your parents want to take it. We will have an extra
bed even. :-)
So keep it in mind Nina!

Thanks for thinking of it J! :-)
Penny
Janet Wilder - 08 Jun 2006 16:33 GMT
 What a wonderful Idea!! I would love to have them (and u) come for a
visit.
> We would be able to take them to the mountains and see Jasper and icefields.
> That would be awesome!
>
> I sure like J's ideas. :-)

I've been  to Jasper and Icefields twice. They are, indeed, awesome. The
very first time I visisted the Canadian Rockies, I cried continuously. I
was so moved by the beauty around me.

Janet

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Figgertoes - 08 Jun 2006 07:16 GMT
"NinaW" <radiography@canada.com> wrote in news:1149707812.662073.143940
@h76g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:

> He and Mom are getting depressed. The routine of chemo and trying to
> get food in is getting to both of them. I encourage them both to get
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> I honestly think that they have no idea what they want or how to have
> fun.

Hi, Nina,

I know about the feeling of waiting for a cure (not really) or death. But
one thing for sure for us was if we made no plans, we had no plans.  So
we made plans -lots of them. If Socks didn't feel up to the actiity, we
could always cancel or reschedule, but that almost never happened.  

Please encourage your parents to visit friends & have friends over for
casual gatherings.  Those build memories & help get the mind off of
illness..  Socks' Aunt Ruth kept card games going here almost around the
clock & we kept lots of snacks & drinks around for visitors. Happy hour
went on & on some days.  Socks enjoyed those games even when he had to be
awakened for his turn occasionally.  And it took conversational pressure
off for those who wanted to see Socks but didn't know what to say.  
People filtered in here night & day.  

Little trips, big trips, all trips were good & broke the monotony of the
4 walls.

Could they maybe be depressed & need some meds for that?  

Fig
J - 08 Jun 2006 10:39 GMT
> Stuff has been up and down lately. Dad's latest chemo seems to have
> stopped working, his protein markers are on their way back up. It was
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
> by now and instead he is still strong and the cancer has not grown back
> a great deal from the terrific amount that was killed.

Nina,
Just because there's less showing on scans, may not necessarily reflect his
"cancer burden".
Mike was explaining proteins and the liver when John's wife was dying, a
while back.
Seems to me that increased proteins would turn the appetite off and, for
some reason, I think cause depression. Maybe he's worse than any of us
realize. (I hope not).
Maybe he won't go to the island because he doesn't feel well enough or he
realizes that it may be his "last" time there (ie coming to terms).

Yes, let's see what his doctor says next week.

I think their visiting with Penny and Michael would be a wonderful thing,
but who am I to organize his social life...

On the other hand, the way you describe him sounds like maybe a mild
antidepressant and a bit of a nudge to enjoy life, just might do the trick.
Such a roller coaster for us, not being there, not knowing what's going on
in his body or mind.
Hopefully there's much more good time to come.:)
J
alex - 08 Jun 2006 18:19 GMT
> Just because there's less showing on scans, may not necessarily reflect
> his
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> Maybe he won't go to the island because he doesn't feel well enough or he
> realizes that it may be his "last" time there (ie coming to terms).

Most end stage cancer patients have a LOW albumin not high albumin rate. A
low albumin can shut off one's appetite and make them tired.  I think you
maybe referring to the cancer markers which do not cause symptoms.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_serum_albumin
NinaW - 08 Jun 2006 23:03 GMT
Hi,

Thank you everyone! I will let them know about the offer to go to the
Rockies.

When I see both of my parents next I will talk to them about getting
out and living. It is time. I agree that antidepressants would be
something to look into.

BTW, has anyone here used Sativex for pain management?

Nina
betsyb - 09 Jun 2006 21:42 GMT
> Hello out there,
> Wikipedia says that "Newsgroups frequently become cliquish". Prove them
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> Newer posters as well. Join the roll call.
> J

All finished with the Onc Doc. So far so good. I have an appt in 6 weeks and
then a scan in July. Nothing happening till then. Just one appt with the
Radiation Onc and the Gyn for that dreaded yearly junk. Thankyou all for the
goot vibes. They are sppreciated.

Betsy
46erjoe - 14 Jun 2006 04:38 GMT
>Hello out there,
>Wikipedia says that "Newsgroups frequently become cliquish". Prove them
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>Newer posters as well. Join the roll call.
>J

Joe here ... alive and well and living on full disability in our new
retirement home. As posted earlier, the Erbitux has done some
shrinking of my tumors and my onc says it gives me a "reprieve" of
about 6 months - his best guess. I'll take it !!!!!!!

I'm growing a beard to hide the rash on my face and I wear a hat to
cover the mess on my scalp. So things are relatively well.

On a sad note, our dog, Buddy had to be put down today. What a great
dog he was ... saved my butt once when I got lost up on Nye Mt. in the
Adirondacks. Also foiled a burglary. He too had cancer. Somehow I had
this romantic notion that on the day I go into eternity he would howl
in the background and give up the ghost too. Yeah, right. My wife said
to me at the vet's, "I'm having a bad time handling Buddy's death. How
in the world will I handle yours?"
Emily - 14 Jun 2006 09:03 GMT
somebody@spamless.net said...
> Somehow I had
> this romantic notion that on the day I go into eternity he would howl
> in the background and give up the ghost too. Yeah, right. My wife said
> to me at the vet's, "I'm having a bad time handling Buddy's death. How
> in the world will I handle yours?"

Just be thankful she didn't have you put down at the same time...

As for how she'll handle your own demise, I don't know.  But she will.  
I don't know how any of us handle bereavement; I don't know how I
'handled' it myself - but we find the strength from somewhere, and to
prove it we're all still here.  Give her some {{{{{hugs}}}}} and
introduce her to us sometime so we can be here for her as and when she
wants or needs us.  The door's always open and the kettle's always on.

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46erjoe - 17 Jun 2006 13:48 GMT
>somebody@spamless.net said...
>> Somehow I had
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>introduce her to us sometime so we can be here for her as and when she
>wants or needs us.  The door's always open and the kettle's always on.

She's already much aware of my chattings here and I've given her the
request to keep you all posted should my condition worsten. And I have
no doubt that she will find the strength. We are both surrounded by 8
other brothers and sisters living within 10 miles of us. We're a
tight-knit family and all of us have a deep faith that the Creator is
in charge, not cancer.

BTW my Friday treatment yesterday showed a decrease in CEA level from
previous blood tests. More good news ... for now anyway... I AM a
realist.

--Joe
alex - 17 Jun 2006 15:39 GMT
> BTW my Friday treatment yesterday showed a decrease in CEA level from
> previous blood tests. More good news ... for now anyway... I AM a
> realist.
>
> --Joe

You hang there Joe.....glad to hear things are going well in your new home.
Alex
J - 14 Jun 2006 11:08 GMT
> Joe here ... alive and well and living on full disability in our new
> retirement home. As posted earlier, the Erbitux has done some
> shrinking of my tumors and my onc says it gives me a "reprieve" of
> about 6 months - his best guess. I'll take it !!!!!!!

Wonderful, Joe and more I hope. (me in denial I suppose)

> I'm growing a beard to hide the rash on my face and I wear a hat to
> cover the mess on my scalp. So things are relatively well.
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> to me at the vet's, "I'm having a bad time handling Buddy's death. How
> in the world will I handle yours?"

I'm sorry for your loss, Joe. Some people view pets as disposable objects, but
they can be so much more and so many memories are all wrapped up in one
fur-buddy. Make that two with your new beard.
It's always a sad day (for me), talking about the future for those we know
there's no cure.
But we're here for that as well, anytime you or she want to talk about it.
J
srmc - 14 Jun 2006 22:25 GMT
>>If you've never posted (lurking), come on out and introduce yourself. Join
>>the roll call.
>>Newer posters as well. Join the roll call.
>>J

I've never posted here before but read everything that is written.  I had
colon cancer in 1993 and was one of the extremely lucky ones that found mine
early enough that surgery was the only thing necessary (Dukes A).  I say
lucky - it was partial luck and partial sound advice of my doctor.  He
believes that everyone over 50 should have a sigmoidoscopy so at that
procedure, he found two small polyps that he said required removing via
colonoscopy.  The colonoscopy removed those two small polyps but what was
LUCKY was that it also found a big bad malignant one up in the bend under
the liver.  This, of course, necessitated surgery to remove.  It had not
penetrated the wall of the colon and none of the tested lymph nodes had any
malignant cells so they decided I did not need to have chemotherapy.  I had
not had any symptoms so I feel that I really WAS very lucky to have those
two small polyps in the sigmoid section which necessitated the colonoscopy.

It has been 13 years with no further problems and I have felt quite safe,
until recently.  I have been having discomfort/slight pain/pressure in the
right upper abdomen - sort of under the ribs and in what would be the liver
area, I guess.  Called to make an appointment with my doctor but he is gone
until July - will see him then.  Is it possible/likely that there could be a
metastasis after 13 years?

This newsgroup is so very valuable.  Even though I have never posted before,
I have learned a lot from the patients and the professionals that post here.
Thank you very much.

Sherry
alex - 14 Jun 2006 22:39 GMT
> It has been 13 years with no further problems and I have felt quite safe,
> until recently.  I have been having discomfort/slight pain/pressure in the
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> Sherry

It is great to hear from long term survivors, not everyone who gets cancer
dies.  The chance of mets goes down  every year you survive, but  best to
have it checked out. Alex
J - 15 Jun 2006 11:37 GMT
> It has been 13 years with no further problems and I have felt quite safe,
> until recently.  I have been having discomfort/slight pain/pressure in the
> right upper abdomen - sort of under the ribs and in what would be the liver
> area, I guess.  Called to make an appointment with my doctor but he is gone
> until July - will see him then.  Is it possible/likely that there could be a
> metastasis after 13 years?

Thanks for your post, Sherry and welcome :)
It's good to hear of more cancer survivors (out there).
I think it's reasonable for you to want to get the symptom checked out.
Probably something benign but worth checking.
Don't forget the gallbladder's in that area. I've got the (long, thin, pale)
scar to prove it.
Please let us know how you make out.
Best wishes,
J
Araik Margarian - 15 Jun 2006 20:08 GMT
Hello J, hello everybody.
My last test, while I still didn't get the report from the ordering ENT who
scared me,
came "clean" (a word that Steph hates :)
So, summer is here, and thanks, thanks God, me too and overall in more
recovering direction.
If I see the surrealism my previous doctors played with me, - not notifying
me about CAT SCAN result for 1,5 month, trying to surgically remove my
neck's tumor, delaying to start the treatment et.c.; If I see that
practically I was at 3th or 4th stage of the illness, if I remember my
terrible situation in hospital in December 2005, besides the side effects
and unpredictability of the future and despite G-Tube still my main "mouth",
I can say that miracle happened.
Mirracle happened; Thanks God, thanks government, thanks Mass General - a
wonderful hospital and wonderful doctors and nurses, thanks my parents,
relatives and friends. Thanks people who would simply pray for me. Thanks
this newsgroup people.
I guess the miracle of survival happened.
Now I am more look like a soldier who comes from the war alive, in wounds,
war ends or close to end and found himself broke in another war - life's
struggle - to many problems : work, solitude, debts, standing on feet. But
that's already OT.

Best lack to this ng people,
Araik Margarian
http://journals.aol.com/aramargar1/MyAmericanDream/

> Hello out there,
> Wikipedia says that "Newsgroups frequently become cliquish". Prove them
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> Newer posters as well. Join the roll call.
> J
J - 16 Jun 2006 11:42 GMT
> Hello J, hello everybody.
> My last test, while I still didn't get the report from the ordering ENT who
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> this newsgroup people.
> I guess the miracle of survival happened.

It's wonderful to read your treatment success, Araik.
And Thanks God for your insurance.

> Now I am more look like a soldier who comes from the war alive, in wounds,
> war ends or close to end and found himself broke in another war - life's
> struggle - to many problems : work, solitude, debts, standing on feet. But
> that's already OT.

I get it. Reminds me of "Give me your poor, your tired, hungry masses yearning to
breathe free! "
Thanks for your post, Araik and I'm glad to read you're in recovery mode.
J
Araik Margarian - 18 Jun 2006 03:28 GMT
>> Hello J, hello everybody.
>> My last test, while I still didn't get the report from the
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
>
> It's wonderful to read your treatment success, Araik.

Thanks, you see, I told it already, every time I say something positive,
next day feel bad.
Today all day I felt very weak, didn't even got out from appartment even it
was very sunny day.
Felt secretions and pain and coughs in and around throat and neck area.
Actually, if don't use or use less painkillers, feel pain.

> And Thanks God for your insurance.

For insurance, First of all thanks to America and government for it's health
system though so much criticized:
Actually I realized that the health care is there when you seriously need it
unrelated to your income:
When I lost my job 2 years ago, I kept my HMO-BLUE, though it cost to
expensive, without recognizing how badly I would need it later. But from
late of this February, my insurance eligibility expired,
and, as you say, thanks God, Medicaid came to the help. But I am sure I
would get the same care even if I wouldn't have insurance
from the start.

>> Now I am more look like a soldier who comes from the war
>> alive, in wounds, war ends or close to end and found himself
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> I get it. Reminds me of "Give me your poor, your tired, hungry
> masses yearning to breathe free! "

Oh, no, no more revolutions :) I would like child support agency
leave me alone; the monstrous surrealistic designs against me disappear,
I'll get some recovering and gradually stand to my feet.

> Thanks for your post, Araik and I'm glad to read you're in
> recovery mode.

Overall, yes, in recovery mood. Or mode?
I would never say "mode".
And I have some dreams to become a writer? :)

> J

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Araik Margarian
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J - 18 Jun 2006 23:28 GMT
> J <analyse@invalid> typed:
> >
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> Felt secretions and pain and coughs in and around throat and neck area.
> Actually, if don't use or use less painkillers, feel pain.

Some people feel that barometric pressure (changes) affect pain levels.
The news just said that's it's falling, but sometimes I miss the news.
I've been meaning to diary such, but keep forgetting.

> > And Thanks God for your insurance.
>
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> would get the same care even if I wouldn't have insurance
> from the start.

That's good. It's awful to be sick and not have access to health care.>

> >> Now I am more look like a soldier who comes from the war
> >> alive, in wounds, war ends or close to end and found himself
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>
> Oh, no, no more revolutions :)

Revolutions? I thought that was written on the Statue of Liberty (welcoming immigrants
who arrived by ship), but maybe I'm wrong.

> I would like child support agency
> leave me alone; the monstrous surrealistic designs against me disappear,
> I'll get some recovering and gradually stand to my feet.

I _think_ I understand. Court awards an amount (instead of a % of income), regardless
of the parent's ability to pay.  The latter may change due to health and/or work
circumstances, but the former remains, unless a person fights to get it changed and
that takes money.

> > Thanks for your post, Araik and I'm glad to read you're in
> > recovery mode.
>
> Overall, yes, in recovery mood. Or mode?
> I would never say "mode".
> And I have some dreams to become a writer? :)

Maybe you will make a decent living that way, some day, Araik.
Don't give up your dreams.
J
AM - 19 Jun 2006 00:33 GMT
>> > I get it. Reminds me of "Give me your poor, your tired, hungry
>> > masses yearning to breathe free! "
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> (welcoming immigrants
> who arrived by ship), but maybe I'm wrong.

I think I am wrong. When I read the excerpt,
I guessed it's from the "International", that we had learned in school in
Russian and in Armenian.
Now I notice that it's not belligerent, so you should be right.

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AM - 19 Jun 2006 00:59 GMT
> I _think_ I understand. Court awards an amount (instead of a % of income),
> regardless
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> changed and
> that takes money.

The paragraph you wrote is called "concise".
And the details are simply another surrealistic kafkaesque.

I didn't want to look for advice for that on Usenet.
But now I think I have too - in Ch. Sup. group;
That's why first time I dont write my real name and email,
thinking that the family court could retaliate more.

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J - 20 Jun 2006 10:28 GMT
> The paragraph you wrote is called "concise".

I think some was missing...

> And the details are simply another surrealistic kafkaesque.
>
> I didn't want to look for advice for that on Usenet.
> But now I think I have too - in Ch. Sup. group;
> That's why first time I dont write my real name and email,
> thinking that the family court could retaliate more.

I suppose one never knows who's reading.
Hope you get some help there.
Good luck.
J
Tanada - 16 Jun 2006 22:49 GMT
> If you've never posted (lurking), come on out and introduce yourself. Join
> the roll call.
> Newer posters as well. Join the roll call.
> J

There have been no real changes here in North Carolina with Rob's
Malignant Anaplastic Oligodendroglioma.  We're waiting for either a
change in status, or hearing date from the VA.  We celebrated our 22nd
anniversary on the 13th.  When Rob was first operated on, the surgeon
and oncologist said that Rob had maybe 3-6 months, after the biopsy
results came back, they changed it to 2 to 15 tears average,  We
consider each anniversary as another victory against the monster that
lives in the center of our living room.  You know what I mean, don't see
the elephant in your living room and it won't be noticed by anyone.

Pam S.
Sharon - 16 Jun 2006 23:00 GMT
>> If you've never posted (lurking), come on out and introduce yourself.
>> Join
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>
> Pam S.

My husband I have are working on our marriage, which is why I now know how
my father in law is.  For a while I didn't know.  The news is very, very
bad.  He's dying now.  He weighs less than 100 lbs.  His cancer is all over
his body.  You can see lumps all over him.  It's so horrible to watch him
suffer like this.  They have increased his morphine.  He is always sitting
up talking.  Each time though, I notice him weaker.  All I know is that I
wouldn't want to live like that, and he's told me he doesn't want to live
like this.  He can't do nothing but sit up.  He can't lay down due to the
cancer being in his bones and it's very painful for him to lay back.  The
hospice nurse said it might be 2 weeks.  My husband Mike is always crying in
front of his father.  I try not to, and I just have regular conversations
with him that have nothing to do with cancer.  I don't know if that's the
right thing to do or not.  I just want to give him a sense or some kind of
normal while I am around him.  I am around him alot now, cherishing the time
that is left.  I want to see him all the time, to remember everything.  But
I don't want him to suffer.  I am torn.  This has tore my heart out.
Sharon

P.S. Penny if you read this, I am still smoke free because of you dear one.
J - 17 Jun 2006 08:44 GMT
> My husband I have are working on our marriage, which is why I now know how
> my father in law is.  For a while I didn't know.  The news is very, very
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> that is left.  I want to see him all the time, to remember everything.  But
> I don't want him to suffer.  I am torn.  This has tore my heart out.

Each of us has our own way of coping, Sharon.
Thanks for the update. I wondered what had happened to your father-in-law.
Painful memories dim with time, because now I can't remember if mom had more
pain sitting up or lying down. I do remember she couldn't find the "right"
position, no matter where or how she sat or laid down. You'll all be in my
thoughts over these next difficult weeks. May his passing be painfree.
( ( ( Sharon and Mike ) ) )
J
Pen - 17 Jun 2006 15:21 GMT
>>> If you've never posted (lurking), come on out and introduce yourself.
>>> Join
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> P.S. Penny if you read this, I am still smoke free because of you dear
> one.
Some good news amongst the sad. Thanks Sharon. I'm so glad you are not
smoking. My heart is with you during this time and I hope your father-in-law
is not in too much pain.
(((Sharon)))
Penny
Tanada - 19 Jun 2006 00:13 GMT
> My husband I have are working on our marriage, which is why I now know how
> my father in law is.  For a while I didn't know.  The news is very, very
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>
> P.S. Penny if you read this, I am still smoke free because of you dear one.

<<<Hugs Sharon and family>>>

It seems like it never rains but it pours, doesn't it?  I will be
thinking about you and sending healing hopes and wishes for you and
yours.  I'll ask the cats to purr for your well being as well.

Pam S. who's cats have powerful purrs
Emily - 19 Jun 2006 17:16 GMT
jmmorgan80@anywhereusa.net said...
> P.S. Penny if you read this, I am still smoke free because of you dear one.

Good for you Sharon - you can and indeed should be very proud of
yourself.
Pen - 19 Jun 2006 17:53 GMT
> P.S. Penny if you read this, I am still smoke free because of you dear
> one.

BTW Sharon, has nothing to do with me, it's your own will power and
determination!! :-)

Hugs
Penny
J - 17 Jun 2006 08:46 GMT
> There have been no real changes here in North Carolina with Rob's
> Malignant Anaplastic Oligodendroglioma.  We're waiting for either a
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> lives in the center of our living room.  You know what I mean, don't see
> the elephant in your living room and it won't be noticed by anyone.

Good to hear from you, Pam and belated Happy Anniversary.
I hope the VA comes through for you soon.
Thanks for answering the Roll Call
J
irishfolker - 27 Jun 2006 21:17 GMT
Bonnie's cancer is now terminal.  The doctor says 3-6 months.  She is
now in the hospital with DVT, a pulmonary embolism, pneumonia and
gastric bleeding.  She is also retaining fluids.  If they treat one
thing, they make another worse.  She is in no pain, but things will not
get any better.  We are planning for her to come home on Friday, and I
will be taking care of her with the help of hospice.

My work has been great and they are allowing me to telecommute for the
duration.  We are disappointed that it has come to this, but 3+ years
with gallbladder cancer is quite an accomplishment.

Jeff
J - 28 Jun 2006 09:55 GMT
> Bonnie's cancer is now terminal.  The doctor says 3-6 months.  She is
> now in the hospital with DVT, a pulmonary embolism, pneumonia and
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> duration.  We are disappointed that it has come to this, but 3+ years
> with gallbladder cancer is quite an accomplishment.

Quite; so sorry to read the news, Jeff and Bonnie.
It's heart breaking; things seemed so positive just last April.
Please know we'll be thinking of you both.
Take care of you as well, Jeff and reach out anytime.
We'll be here for you.
J
irishfolker - 28 Jun 2006 12:57 GMT
> Quite; so sorry to read the news, Jeff and Bonnie.
> It's heart breaking; things seemed so positive just last April.
> Please know we'll be thinking of you both.
> Take care of you as well, Jeff and reach out anytime.
> We'll be here for you.
> J

Thanks, J.  We gave it quite a run.

Jeff
J - 29 Jun 2006 09:30 GMT
> > Please know we'll be thinking of you both.
> > Take care of you as well, Jeff and reach out anytime.
>
> Thanks, J.  We gave it quite a run.

Indeed, Jeff.
As you posted, early on, you made decisions based on the facts on the
ground, each step of the way.

I'm sure hospice will be helpful, but if you need a place that's away from
the situation, there's an ear here, caring.
J