Dear all,
I know that this is a question which has been asked in this group
before but individuals' circumstances and symptoms vary. I also know
that the best advice is to see a medical professional.
I do want to see a professional but am in two minds: on the one hand,
if I do have cancer, I want to know in the hope of catching it early
enough for treatment to be effective. Conversely, I simply don't want
to know: I don't want my family to have to go through the grieving and
worry.
I have a wife and we have a 15-month-old son, who will never know his
daddy if I were to die in the next couple of years. I've read so much
about cancer and am convinced that I have it and that I don't,
depending on what I read.
I'm 35 and I know that lung cancer is rare in men of my age. I also
know though that it can affect men of my age: Andy Kaufman died of lung
cancer at 35.
I've had what can best be described as chest discomfort (not what I
would describe as pain) for a couple of years. The discomfort is a dull
ache in my chest, mainly behind the bottom of my rib cage. It's not
always there and is most obvious after I've smoked heavily.
I've smoked for the past 20 years and nowadays average 10-15
cigarrettes a day. Sometimes I'll smoke a few cigarettes in short
succession if I'm stressed or bored and this is when the discomfort is
most noticeable.
I have a cough which is best described as a "smoker's cough": a fleghmy
chest in the morning and maybe half a dozen or so "good" coughs
throughout the day. I frequently have to clear my throat. I had a nasty
cold about three months ago and immediately following that, I developed
a really bad cough: once, I coughed so much that I found it hard to
draw breath. Although I sometimes cough and wheeze a little when
breathing back in, this is now much better.
About a month ago, I woke up one morning with a stabbing pain in my
chest when I breathed in. I went to an NHS (UK National Health Service)
walk-in centre and they diagnosed a pulled muscle. Sure enough, after a
couple of days it had cleared up. I saw a doctor there and expressed my
concerns about lung cancer. He listened to my chest with a stethoscope
and said that he could hear nothing abnormal, although a stethascope is
relatively primitive.
Reading the common symptoms of lung cancer, I can respond as follows:
Shortness of breath: no; except sometimes when coughing (this is rare:
see above).
Weight loss: no. I've known lung cancer sufferers who have died and I
don't remember them losing weight.
Blood in sputum: no; although sometimes my sputum will contain brownish
flecks and be greeny yellow in colour. As with the cough, I have put
this down to smoking.
Loss of appetite: no.
Change in voice: I've had a sore throat a few times in the last couple
of months and my voice sounds a bit "dryer" than normal but I could be
imagining this.
Chest pain: as described above.
Constant tiredness: no more than you would expect in someone who's up
at 5.30am most mornings because of a 15-month-old boy.
I know that lung cancer can be present without symptoms and that there
are many conditions which would fit mine. I know therefore that no-one
will be able to give a definitive answer and I will see a professional.
But should I prepare for the worst?
I can't help thinking that maybe I'm worrying unnecessarily and that my
symptoms are simply those of a smoker with tar and poisons in their
lungs. I would be interested to hear opinions though.
J - 02 Mar 2006 21:49 GMT
> I know that this is a question which has been asked in this group
> before but individuals' circumstances and symptoms vary. I also know
> that the best advice is to see a medical professional.
Steve,
I don't know if you have lung cancer, but what you could check is the
humidity in your home and/or place of work and if it's too dry and can't be
managed by slightly lowering the thermostat, buy a humidifier.
Less colds as well.
There's lots of potential causes of the pain that you describe. Your doctor
should be assessing the situation.
And there's more than one type of cancer which people risk when they smoke.
Like father, like son.
Make him proud and be a good example, do the best you can to ensure that
you'll be there for him as he grows up. Every time you go to light up,
remember that. Quit or learn to live with the symptoms and risks.
J
alex - 02 Mar 2006 23:05 GMT
> Dear all,
>
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> symptoms are simply those of a smoker with tar and poisons in their
> lungs. I would be interested to hear opinions though.
I don't know if you are for real or not. A physician examined you and didn't
voice any concerns. If he suspected cancer he would have pursued a cancer
diagnosis. STOP SMOKING....and see if your symptoms resolve, I would guess
they would. Save the money you would spend on smoking and pay for a Cat
Scan. If that doesn't put your mind at easy see a shrink. My mother and
father in law both died of lung cancer and from both died in a very short
time frame ( less than 6 months) both of them had been to the doctor on for
regular care, but the disease is relentless. Both were smokers.
Steve.Laker@gmail.com - 03 Mar 2006 09:37 GMT
I certainly am for real.
Yes, a doctor examined me but only with a stethascope. Although he said
he couldn't hear anything acute, surely a stethascope is too primitive
an instrument to detect anything much?
I wouldn't have to pay for a CAT scan as I live in England, where we
have a free National Health Service. Why would I want to see a shrink?
Do you think I'm obsessed about nothing? To be honest, it'd be a relief
to find that to be the case. I suppose if I did have something
seriously wrong with me, it would have got much worse over the period
that I've observed it.
I'm truly sorry that you lost both your mother and father-in-law to
this relentless disease.
J - 03 Mar 2006 11:39 GMT
> Why would I want to see a shrink?
> Do you think I'm obsessed about nothing? To be honest, it'd be a relief
> to find that to be the case.
I'm curious why... Depresssed ?
Or looking for what you think is an easy solution to lung symptoms?
J
alex - 03 Mar 2006 12:17 GMT
I would bet you don't have cancer, you brief visit with the doctor he wasn't
concerned. Go to your GP and get a physical exam, you are probably more at
risk for cardiac disease from the smoking. A physical will answer all your
questions. If you need a CT scan they will order one. My understanding of
the NHS that unless they think you need it AND you won't qualify, they will
not order you one. You have all the symptoms of a smoker ....I am basing
this on my years of living with a smoker. A shrink would help you stop
obsessing about a disease you probably don't have and help you to quit
smoking so you won't get cancer. The internet it not the place to be
diagnosed, go to the proper health care professional. Best of luck , I
don't think you need it....take care of yourself and your family.
Steve.Laker@gmail.com - 03 Mar 2006 14:10 GMT
> I would bet you don't have cancer, you brief visit with the doctor he wasn't
> concerned. Go to your GP and get a physical exam, you are probably more at
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> diagnosed, go to the proper health care professional. Best of luck , I
> don't think you need it....take care of yourself and your family.
Dear Alex,
Quite simply: thank you!
All of the points which you previously made now make perfect sense in
the light of your latest post.
Yours was the very reassuring message which - if I'm honest - I was
hoping to get. I do have hang-ups about the whole thing and will now
seek professional advice.
With love to you and yours,
Steve.
matt weber - 04 Mar 2006 00:32 GMT
>I certainly am for real.
>
>Yes, a doctor examined me but only with a stethascope. Although he said
>he couldn't hear anything acute, surely a stethascope is too primitive
>an instrument to detect anything much?
You'd be suprised, Anything in the lung or bronchial tree that
disturbs the airflow is likely to be heard on a stethascope.
Determining why the airflow is disturbed is something you may well
need a bronchoscope, MRI or CT, but almost anything significantly
altered in pulmonary function will be hard with a stethascope. It
doesn't tell you much about what is wrong, but it actually quite
senstive about spotting anything abnormal.
>I wouldn't have to pay for a CAT scan as I live in England, where we
>have a free National Health Service.
Even if someone else pays, it is still a sizeable cost to someone, and
substantial dose of radiation. Absent a good reason to be suspicious,
it is neither money or radiation exposure that was well expended.
In short, if nothing can be heard, not much can be wrong either.
And if nothing can be seen on a regular chest X-ray (much lower cost,
much lower radiation dose), it is very unlikely that a CT or MRI will
find anything either. MRI and CT are used where there is a very index
of suspicion that something really is wrong, and it was detected
initially by stethascope, and perhaps chest xray.
>I'm truly sorry that you lost both your mother and father-in-law to
>this relentless disease.
Steph - 04 Mar 2006 03:17 GMT
>>I certainly am for real.
>>
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>>I'm truly sorry that you lost both your mother and father-in-law to
>>this relentless disease.
I'll add to that, that lung cancer in a 36 year old is vanishingly rare.
Odette (AKA Odie) - 03 Mar 2006 11:55 GMT
Hi Steve,
Please get to a doctor. My doctor thought it was pneumonia and put me into
the hospital where a battery of tests showed cancer. one them was a pet scan
and a CT scan as well as a Bronchial. Please, go, no point in doing
nothing because we have so much out there to help us. Lung cancer is not
the only cancer out there.
Odie
> Dear all,
>
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> symptoms are simply those of a smoker with tar and poisons in their
> lungs. I would be interested to hear opinions though.
DLU - 08 Mar 2006 18:22 GMT
> Dear all,
>
> I've smoked for the past 20 years and nowadays average 10-15
> cigarrettes a day. Sometimes I'll smoke a few cigarettes in short
> succession if I'm stressed or bored and this is when the discomfort is
> most noticeable.
What you need to know about smoking is this.
Smoke particles are less than 2.5 microns in diameter. That is less
than 2.5 millionths of an inch.
The alveoli in you lungs are little pockets where there is a cell that
absorbs oxygen from the air you breath in. These linings in your lungs
are ONE CELL THICK. the smoke particles are just small enough to find
their way into the alveoli. when these particles lodge there they
destroy the cell. They cause it to die and to turn into a surface like
your outer skin. Each time you inhale cigarette smoke you destroy
several cells. That is why almost all emphysema sufferers were or smokers.
Also, these particles can and do cause cancer as they can be absorbed
into the cells before the surface is destroyed. These particles ae also
carcinogenic. Some people have more resistance than others to the
carcinogens. As early as 1934 Dr. Dubakey while an intern in England
discovered that all the lung cancer cases he studied were smokers. One
hundred percent. What you are doing is playing lung cancer roulette.
Furthermore you are subjecting your children to the second hand smoke.
It is not as concentrated but the particles are still in the air. That
is why you can walk into a house and know immediately that a smoker has
been there.
Second hand smoke has been shown to be a cause of lung cancer in a
significant group of those who lived with a smoker.
Another air pollution cause is diesel exhaust. 93% of diesel exhaust is
carcinogenic, 93% of the exhaust particles are also less than 2.5
microns in diameter. The highest concentration of respiratory illnesses
are in the area around Fresno California. The heavy truck and railroad
traffic is the cause of this.

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