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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Cancer / February 2006Smoking - Good news from the UK
Today the British Government has voted overwhelmingly for a complete ban on smoking in pubs and clubs. The ban is expected to come into force sometime next year. Full story and links to more information can be found on http://news.bbc.co.uk (this is a daily news update - the page in question is dated 14th Feb and may well be unavailable thereafter although there are bound to be consequent discussions) For once it looks like MPs have voted sensibly; all credit to the PM for granting a 'free vote' for this one :-)  SignatureEmily > Today the British Government has voted overwhelmingly for a complete ban > on smoking in pubs and clubs. Very good news indeed! Wonder why we're having such a time with this in Colorado? Thanks for the good news! Fig figtoes@yahoo.com said... > > Today the British Government has voted overwhelmingly for a complete ban > > on smoking in pubs and clubs. > > Very good news indeed! Wonder why we're having such a time with this > in Colorado? > Thanks for the good news! I knew you'd be pleased :-) Of course, it can't take effect immediately, and there will be complaints galore and all sorts of protests... and then there will be private clubs being set up with loopholes in the rules rather like drinking dens during the prohibition... and civil liberties people will be up in arms... etc, etc. But it's definitely a start. In practice, what will happen is that it won't be possible to enter or leave certain places without running the gauntlet of the clouds of smoke just outside the doorway, which is what happens at the college I go to. Smoking isn't allowed inside the building, so they stand immediately in front of the only way in... Cynical? Moi? SignatureEm > figtoes@yahoo.com said... In practice, > what will happen is that it won't be possible to enter or leave certain > places without running the gauntlet of the clouds of smoke just outside [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > -- > Em Same here to some extent but less so as entire campuses (seems like should be campi or something), not just the buildings, become smoke-free. Fig >>Today the British Government has voted overwhelmingly for a complete ban >>on smoking in pubs and clubs. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Thanks for the good news! > Fig Colorado and other western states are still living in the 19th century. There is this idea that it is restricting people freedoms if they can not abuse themselves. Nevada is of course the worst example but even a liberal state like Oregon has limited restrictions on smoking. Restaurants have to provide a smoking area for instance. Even Hughes where I worked allowed smoking in their buildings until 1988, then the idiots as you say would stand in front of the doors blocking your way in. Finally after enough complaints they put smoking areas at least twenty feet away from the doors. Many eastern states also do not have smoking restrictions. North Carolina is just as backward as Nevada. The interesting thing is that the populations of these states think their freedoms are being restricted and have this laisse faire attitude that you are only affecting yourself. Actually, under a true laisse faire system, the nonsmoker would be able to sue the individual smoker for polluting his air space. another thing smokers will not due is give up their rights to public medical treatment when their own money runs out. They do not seem to be able to accept the idea that their habit costs the rest of us. the best way to get the Colorado legislature to act is to provide evidence as to the actual economic costs of allowing smoking in public places. Signature****************************************** * This is the Spammish Inquisition * * Not Lumber Cartel Unit 75 [TINLC] * * http://bobcathoh.50megs.com/tinLC/ * * david l kayp at earthlink dot net * ****************************************** >>>Today the British Government has voted overwhelmingly for a complete >>>ban on smoking in pubs and clubs. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > can > not abuse themselves. <trim> > the best way to get the Colorado legislature to act is to provide > evidence as to the actual economic costs of allowing smoking in public > places. We have a strong contengent here protecting 'property rights.' It's the man's home as castle idea gone berserk imo. Very right-wing. But no one here is forced to provide a smoking area. Colorado does not have a motorcycle helmet law either. You should see what happens whenever one is proposed. There is no restriction on health services due to resulting injuries there either. I do see your point, but if we started eliminating/limiting services to high-risk behavour/individuals, where would it end? If a woman were high risk for pregnancy but wanted a child, should she be covered? You could also get into genetics. Can duty-to-die be far behnd? The leaders on our current Colorado bill, which passed the House Monday & is headed for the Senate, decided on an employees' right to a smoke-free workplace theme. Most employees are already protected except those working is restaurants, bars, casinos, etc.. I'll be testifying for Socks again in the Senate. I like your strategy too. Maybe the one they're using is more straightforward & simple. We also have an initiative process in Colorado (didn't have in TX) where we can petition citizen-originated proposals onto the ballot for a popular vote. That's the method Socks used to get Littleton's law in 1987. If we don't like what comes out of the legislature this year, we'll probably initiate for November ballot. There is ample public support for a very strong law. Many cities here already have them. Fig >>>>Today the British Government has voted overwhelmingly for a complete >>>>ban on smoking in pubs and clubs. >>>Very good news indeed! Wonder why we're having such a time with this >>>in Colorado? >>>Thanks for the good news! >>>Fig This from letters to the editor, LA Times. You call for "fair play." Until now, where has that concept entered in for the generations of children, for those with heart and respiratory diseases, and for nonsmokers who would like to enjoy a communal activity outdoors without facing a toxic substance that can be eliminated? The fact is, even with the great strides California has made legislatively to free nonsmokers from the threat of smokers' previously unfettered choice to light up anywhere, anytime, there are still too many places, e.g., apartment building common areas, where the smoker alone decides what everyone else has to put up with. The unwilling nonsmoker's sole choice has been to leave. That is in no way "fair." Fair play recognizes that only one of the opposed groups involved has a "right," and that is nonsmokers. That right is the right not to be discriminated against in enjoying activities open to all. Conversely, other than in tobacco industry media campaigns, where is the textual source for the right to smoke? Without such a basis, smokers' whines are nothing more than hot — and toxic — air. JOHN BIRKE Woodland Hills Signature****************************************** * This is the Spammish Inquisition * * Not Lumber Cartel Unit 75 [TINLC] * * http://bobcathoh.50megs.com/tinLC/ * * david l kayp at earthlink dot net * ****************************************** Emily, will this also ban the *advertising* in clubs and pubs? I think magazine/bus shelter ads are already outlawed (?) We went into a pub over in Lancashire near where Ken used to live and there were all these neon signs for Silk Cut, 555, Rothman's, etc... atlsvo@webtv.net said... > Emily, will this also ban the *advertising* in clubs and pubs? I think > magazine/bus shelter ads are already outlawed (?) > > We went into a pub over in Lancashire near where Ken used to live and > there were all these neon signs for Silk Cut, 555, Rothman's, etc... Crumbs, when was that? Tobacco advertising's been banned here for quite some years now. SignatureEm |
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