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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Cancer / February 2006Questions about using AHCC and CoQ!O
I've been told by numerous advisors and several doctors that this dietary suppliment called AHCC which is a mushroom extract would be very helpful for my colon cancer fight as it boosts immune system and NK or natural killer cells. The stuff ranges rom $75 a bottle at local GNC to $85 a bottle at local health food stores for a 500 milligram 60 count bottle. I see it advertised online at source naturals for $49 a bottle and doctors trust for $29 a bottle. These are big price differences. has anyone here used this AHCC and if so have you found a safe reasonably priced source for it??? Also can anyone tell me is there any value in takig COQ1O for my type cancer and has anyone tried PSK (also called coriolus versicolor o turkey tail mushroom) I hear this PSK has been a legitimately recognized part of chemotherapy in Japan for about 20 years. I also would appreciate any thoughts or opinions on paw paw. My neighbor has stage 3 pancreas cancer and has come to very near remission using this pawpaw with chemotherapy. > I also would appreciate any thoughts or opinions on paw paw. My neighbor > has stage 3 pancreas cancer and has come to very near remission using > this pawpaw with chemotherapy. The only 2 people I could find, in the archives, who asked or were using it died. Testimonials aren't very helpful unless the specifics are mentioned. Date of diagnosis? Where has the cancer spread? Surgery? Surgeries? Did he have a Whipple and/or other surgeries? Is he on Gemzar? Near remissions are not a cure. Nobody's ever come here to tell us (with appropriate history /evidence of diagnosis) that their lives have been extended or cured by such. If he's had a Whipple and possibly other surgeries and it's been more than 3 years, I consider that good. When was he diagnosed, please? http://www.mdanderson.org/departments/cimer/ under plants says that mushrooms are claimed to lower the blood sugar (in animals). Perhaps that's why he's taking it? More later about the rest of your post. J My neighbor is an african american female. late 40s. Diagnosed with stage 4 not stage 3 as I found out from her testimony at our spport group last night. I thought her husband had said stage 3. She was diagnosed around Aug. or Sept. of 05. it was deemed inoperable and oncologist said chemo would only extend her life some. She has not had whipple, only chemo and pawpaw. Oncologist now says only a sac containing dead cancer cells remains and they are going to operate march 2nd to remove the pancreas and afterwards celebrate. One of the chemos they gave her towards the last was one that caused freckles, the doctor said the freckles meant it was working. So it was either that chemo, the pawpaw or both, not sure. Was wondering if anyone else had heard any positive results on it. Apparently the chemo she received that caused the freckles isn't used for my type cancer (colon) so I'm curious about the paw paw. > My neighbor is an african american female. late 40s. Diagnosed with > stage 4 not stage 3 as I found out from her testimony at our spport > group last night. I thought her husband had said stage 3. > > her cancer had not spread to any other organs, just panceas Stage 4 This is divided into 4A and 4B. 4A means the cancer has grown into nearby organs such as the stomach, spleen, large bowel or nearby large blood vessels. There may or may not be cancer in the lymph nodes. 4B means the cancer has spread to other body organs such as the liver or lungs. Your doctor may call this advanced cancer. > She was diagnosed around Aug. or Sept. of 05. it was deemed inoperable > and oncologist said chemo would only extend her life some. She has not > had whipple, only chemo and pawpaw. Oncologist now says only a sac > containing dead cancer cells remains and they are going to operate march > 2nd to remove the pancreas and afterwards celebrate. Bring us the pathology report(s) from diagnosis and after the surgery. J JW If she was diagnosed Stage 4, then the cancer had spread beyond the pancreas. If it hadn't spread, then she isn't stage 4. If she received chemotherapy in the US for pancreatic cancer, then she almost certainly received Gemzar (gemcitibine) or a combination containing Gemzar. Even in the world of clinical trials, non-gemcitibine treatments for pancreatic cancer are restricted to patients who have tried and failed Gemzar-containing therapies. If your friend had an inoperable local cancer (not Stage 4) then reducing the tumor by chemo prior to surgery is an accepted technique. The standard surgery (Whipple procedure) involves more than removal of the pancreas, it is a complex operation with a long recovery time. Less than 10% or so of the people treated with Gemzar or Gemzar/combo chemos have what is known as a complete response. This means that the chemotherapy killed all DECTECTABLE cancer. However, this does not constitute a cure or even a remission. A friend of mine's husband had the same excellent response to chemo as your friend had and after six months of Gemzar he was free of detectable cancer. Even though his cancer was stage 4, he and his wife found a surgeon to removed the pancreas. 3 months after the surgery, his cancer reappeared in the liver and adrenal glands and this time it was totally unresponsive to chemo. He died this December, a little over 18 months after diagnosis. There are minor successes with Stage 4 pancreactic cancer ( he was considered one) but it is a very aggressive and ultimately incurable disease. While it can't hurt to stay healthy during chemo, the paw-paw probably made little difference. Pancreatic cancer is not caused by a deficient immune system nor destroyed by a healthy immune system. There are thousands of people that have severely weakened immune systems due to disease or medication and they don't get pancreatic cancer with any more frequency than healthy people. After listening to doctor after doctor tell you that your cancer is incurable and you will die soon, it is very easy for otherwise intelligent people to latch onto the first person that gives a different story and claims they have a cure. But that person is, quite simply, lying to get your money..........knowing full well you will probably die before ou can retalitate. Even if the stuff has some minor value, I recommend against giving money to people that sell false hope. My neighbor and I have the same oncologist. I do not really know for sure what or how many different chemo medicines she was given. She only mentioned one to me and I can't think of the name of it right now. Whatever it was it cuases freckles and the doctor said that meant it was working, I did ask the oncologist about it back when I could remember what it was called and was told it wasn't used for colon cancer. So I was mearly asking if anyone knew anything good about the pawpaw since she was also taking that as well. I did not mean to start a debate about the outcome or disposition of my neighbor's cancer. Sufice it to say what was a blleak outlook for her appears to have drastically changed and I'm very happy for her. If the pawpaw had anything to do with it, I want to get some. If you don't know anything good or bad about it, there is no need to respond to my post as my neighbor's condition was not and is not the intent of my original post. In fact the paw paw was only a minor part of my question. I was asking more about the AHCC if anyone had used it, what they thought of it and if there was a safe reliable low priced online source to buy it. My local stores charge $75-$85 a bottle for it yet I saw two places online advertising it from $29-$39 a bottle for 500mg. That was such a big difference in price I was leary of ordering from them but yet hesitant to fork over the $75-$85 locally. If you are going to respond please respond on topic. I don't know all the particulars and specifics about my neigbor's treatments all I know is for now it looks like from what I'm hearing she may lick this thing. > . I was asking more about the AHCC if anyone > had used it, what they thought of it and if there was a safe reliable [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > ordering from them but yet hesitant to fork over the $75-$85 locally. If > you are going to respond please respond on topic. We don't know these products and we don't know prices. Ask the CAM-ONC list here http://www.acor.org/mailing.html?l=c Click on the list to "join" and they'll email when you can send a message. J > There are minor successes with Stage 4 pancreactic cancer ( he was > considered one) but it is a very aggressive and ultimately incurable [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > probably die before ou can retalitate. Even if the stuff has some minor > value, I recommend against giving money to people that sell false hope. Thanks Barbara, but he didn't get it. J No she wasn't on gemzar her cancer had not spread to any other organs, just panceas |
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