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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Cancer / August 2005To Figgertoes
I have been lurking (posted a couple of times) for the last several months. My husband passed away from lung cancer 1-05. I couldn't follow the group when he was ill, it was too intense for me, but I have been following since his death. It is comforting now to read. I think about you often and wish you well. This is a very hard journey, I wish I could say the pain goes away. John's cancer had spread to the brain, so at times confusion and disorientation were a problem. The last month we were together 24/7, as I was afraid to leave him for even a few minutes, so I know where you are coming from. Yes there is a big hole, after being full time caretaker to caring for only myself. You have been strong and will find strengths you didn't know you had. (this is coming from someone who tells other people I am not strong-but I guess I really am) I haven't killed myself, yet. I guess I am rambling, but wanted you to know you are thought of. After reading yours and Sock's posts I feel our lives have a lot in common (age, politics, etc.) If you ever want to talk please e-mail. I would be honored to be a shoulder to lean on. Joy > I have been lurking (posted a couple of times) for the last several > months. My husband passed away from lung cancer 1-05. I couldn't [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > e-mail. I would be honored to be a shoulder to lean on. > Joy Hi, Joy, Thanks for the note. I don't think I've seen your posts before. How are you doing? I agree about finding those strengths. I am less pleased about finding some weaknesses in myself. I had hoped I was more grown up than I feel sometimes. I had oral surgery this morning. I guess it was sad song on the radio day. Several numbers I could have done without followed by the belting "How an I supposed to live without you...how am I supposed to carry on... when all my hope is gone...etc on & on. I was pretty much pinned to the chair with my mouth wide open, but I couldn't stop the tears & kept choking. I gestured at the music knob & they turned it off in my room, but I could still hear it clearly throughout the office. I feel like I'm missing Socks' good times when I'm working, but at home I'm like a fish out of water & can't seem to accomplish much. Do you find that gets better after awhile? I see lots of things I could do, but I mainly stare at them & then get upset because everything is such a mess. I love the name, Joy. It's my sister's middle name. Fig, whose middle name is Dawn > I had oral surgery this morning. I guess it was sad song on the radio > day. Several numbers I could have done without followed by the belting [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > choking. I gestured at the music knob & they turned it off in my room, > but I could still hear it clearly throughout the office. The night that Rob's tumors were diagnosed, I had to drive home and then back to the hospital. The radio station played a song that went "Black is black, I want my baby back. It's gray, it's gray, since she went away..." I burst out crying. There are some songs I just can't listen to without it hitting home the hard way. > I feel like I'm missing Socks' good times when I'm working, but at home > I'm like a fish out of water & can't seem to accomplish much. Do you > find that gets better after awhile? I see lots of things I could do, but > I mainly stare at them & then get upset because everything is such a > mess. I think the most important thing you can do is be there with Socks. I really think that eancer is an isolating disease because people are either afraid of those with cancer, the patient has immune issues due to Chemo and radiation, or because it is one of those things that people don't know how to handle. We lost some friends after Rob was diagnosed. He has said that it doesn't bother him, but sometimes I wonder. I think you find out who your real friends are after being diagnosed with cancer. Pam S. > > I have been lurking (posted a couple of times) for the last several > > months. My husband passed away from lung cancer 1-05. I couldn't [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > > Fig, whose middle name is Dawn Figgertoes, By mistake I answered this to your private e-mail. I hope you got it. Let me know if not. Thanks Joy >> > I have been lurking (posted a couple of times) for the last several >> > months. My husband passed away from lung cancer 1-05. I couldn't [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > Thanks > Joy Joy, I haven't received it so far. I don't know how you'd have my email address. Please don't post my email address (if you have it) here. Do you mean my regular email or is there some sort of thing on usenet? Fig I am feeling rather dumb, I hit reply instead of reply to group. I don't have your e-mail. I will re-post my message to the group. > "Figgertoes" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message > > "Joy" <jcarmody@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Figgertoes, > By mistake I answered this to your private e-mail. I hope you got it. Hi Joy, She can't possibly have received it. Her posting email is "munged" (not real). If someone replies to your post and emails you, if you reply to them, without knowing who they are and where your email address could eventually end up, your email can get in their address book, which can end up on email lists sending jokes or on spammer's lists, so it's best to munge. You probably should too as follows... What you do, is go into your Microsoft Outlook Express, under the "news" tab and change your "reply to" address to something faked. When you fake it, you have to make sure you are not putting in there a real e-mail address. (that belongs to someone else or potentially in the future could belong to someone else). So you use your own e-mail address but here's some examples of what you could do: jcardogmodycat@tampafishbay.rr.birdcom (if someone asks if they can e-mail you, instruct them in your post "remove the creatures - dog cat fish bird ") or jcar123mody@tampa678bay.rr.com (if someone asks if they can e-mail you, instruct them in your post "remove the numbers" ) or jcarmody@me(insert numbers/letters combinations).privacy.net. and if someone asks to email you, decide if you want to or not. If yes, then post jcarmody at tampabay dot rr dot com (fix the obvious). If you don't want to do it, then don't. That's what most of the rest of us do (something similar). I think Fig should take a break and we should hold off on replying. I've just suggested that to her. Hugs J snipped nonsense about munging. Check out free mailwasher here http://www.myzips.com/result.phtml?keyword=MailWasher You can use that for one account providing it is not hotmail. I have the paid for version (about $30) which allows me to use any sort of account and as many as I want too. You get to see your mail before you download it and you can delete any you do not want without downloading it and the other benefit is you can then use a real mail addy to post and only read those mails that you recognise the author of. pete > snipped nonsense about munging. > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > and only read those mails that you recognise the author of. > pete Peter my friend you use many newsreaders and posters and you make so may mistakes posting as one identity then signing as another. You are a bully a liar and a fool > > I have been lurking (posted a couple of times) for the last several > > months. My husband passed away from lung cancer 1-05. I couldn't [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > > Fig, whose middle name is Dawn Figgertoes, Music & smells get to me. I went to Vegas (with my kids) and lost it during the Bellagio water show (music-This Kiss-Faith Hill) I also don't think I will ever be able to be in a room full of flowers again. I guess things get easier, but I am a long way from easy. Right now I am going through some medical problems (bad mammogram) and wonder if I can do it on my own. And yes, I have tons to do and just look at it. There are many things I am just not ready to tackle. When I am up to it, they will get done. Hospice sends a social worker out here and she says I am completely normal. There is no time limit on grief. I may tear up at least once a day, but the full fledge melt-downs are further apart. Hospice (after John's death) has been a wonderful resource for me. Just spend what time you have with Socks and don't leave anything unsaid. Forget the housework, playing your games are much more important. Just sitting holding hands is an excellent activity. The laundry can wait another day. My youngest child withdrew from school to be here with me after his father passed away, he will be leaving in a couple of weeks to go back to school, whew, that will be a test. The first time living alone. I told him I am ready for him to go, so I can watch sleazy reality shows without his comments. :) At one of Johns last Drs appointments they asked him what year it was "1974" he kept insisting it was 1974. Finally he said if its not 1974, I don't know what the hell year it is. When asked who the President was all he could do was roll his eyes and make a couple of crude Dubya comments. He thanked the Dr for keeping him alive long enough to vote against him. We all had a good chuckle that day (including John) Figgertoes, keep up the good fight. Give Socks an extra kiss today (in a few months you will remember that extra kiss and it will make you smile). Write when you want or need to talk ( I can share my phone #-by private e-mail). I am always available Joy Right now I am going through some medical problems (bad mammogram) and wonder if > I can do it on my own. I won't pry, but wish you well. I had mine recalled a couple of years ago, but the follow-up cleared up the ?s. Still, I was concerned. I hope yours resolves easily. . When asked who the > President was all he could do was roll his eyes and make a couple of > crude Dubya comments. He thanked the Dr for keeping him alive long > enough to vote against him. That's funny. For awhile, Socks' long term goal was to live long enough to cast his ballot against Dubya. He kept drilling me on what to do if he were alive but unable to cast his vote unassisted. Also what to do if he were not alive, but we won't go into that... There was much celebration when the ballot arrived in the mail. Never was one voted & returned so quickly! But we still got Dubya anyway... Please keep me posted on how you are. Im having some painful problems with my arm. Trying several things to resolve. Will be better correspondent when the pain goes awaaaay.. Fig > I won't pry, but wish you well. I had mine recalled a couple of years ago, > but the follow-up cleared up the ?s. Still, I was concerned. I hope yours > resolves easily. Started follow-up process today (compression views-ouch) Thanks for your concern, it should all turn out ok. > Im having some painful problems with my arm. Trying several things to > resolve. Will be better correspondent when the pain goes awaaaay.. Have that arm checked, you have to remember to still take care of yourself. I hope you and Socks are both having a good day. Joy >>Started follow-up process today (compression views-ouch) > Thanks for your concern, it should all turn out ok. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Joy I've been to the doc X2. No one knows what to make of it. J thinks it could be a pinched nerve & I think she's right. Massage is the only thing that's helped so far except Socks' aromatherapy pain cream created by hospice. I got a new gel-filled mouse pad at work which is more comfortable. More massage tomorrow. This guy really digs in. Physical therapy can't see me at an acceptable time for a couple more weeks. It's something to do with the deltoid muscle. Trigger is a dime-sized spot about 7" from shoulder. Hurts like you wouldn't believe! I'm including more details in case J thinks of something. Pretty amazing woman, that J! Sock's Aunt Ruth lives in Safety Harbor near Tampa. Do you live in Tampa (guessing from email address)? We went on a cruise from there in February & visited Aunt Ruth. Keep me informed about that mammogram. Hope you're out of the woods pronto. We did have a good day. Played canasta after dinner. A friend came over to play with them during the day. Socks cleaned our clocks tonight. Suddenly, I have a number of job opportunities. I turned one down last week, but I'll go talk to a guy later this week about another one. The timing is awful, but I do want a permanent position, whatever that is these days! I've gotten so used to taking Fridays off that it will bew a strain to go back to 40 hours. This company owns interests in Canada & Mongolia. It's been many years since I visited Calgary regularly. All of that would be a great diversion later but difficult now. Oh well, it's not like they've actually made me an offer. I'm taking my arm up to bed now. Many hugs to you, Fig > "Joy" <j@notell.com> wrote in > [...] [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > more details in case J thinks of something. Pretty amazing woman, that > J! Hello Figgertoes, I'm not sure if the others are doing the same (not replying as much), but I'd like to stop you from using the computer (too much) until you sort out this arm problem. I measured 7" down from my shoulder and my muscle hurts there too. Massaging helps, but I think it's important to get to the source of the problem first. Physiotherapy is good; however some do what I call passive therapy ; whirlpool movements; heat/cold, massage; others show one how to strengthen fingers, hands, forearms, upper arms. (and some will actually tell you which movements to not do or do in a different way ). However, they aren't there (at home, in the car, at grocery shopping, at work) to see contributing factors or the way you use your body. Since you are having numbness, I think it's important to have an EMG first. If there's pressure on a nerve somewhere, the numbness can become permanent and result in loss of strength. And I know it's possible to have nerve compression in more than one place; my left arm the numbness comes from leaning my wrist and leaning on my elbow. The gel pak is a good start. If you think you have carpal tunnel syndrome, a night splint might be a good idea. It stops the hand from bending inward during sleep (and thereby compressing the nerve at the wrist level). Have your doctors checked your thyroid? I think pain relief is helpful, but physio could give you the wrong exercises or ways to use your arms/wrists/hands, unless they know where the nerve is being compressed. With an EMG, they set "leads" on various parts of the arms, hands, fingers and measure nerve iimpulses. Then they prick certain areas and the nerve reaction shows and prints on a machine. They ask questions (be prepared to answer where the numbness is, whether it's constant or which movements or position causes it) and do a number of different tests (but just one machine), during one appaointment to narrow the problem down. There's surgery for carpal tunnel, but start with finding out which nerve and where it's being compressed. Is my thought of the day for your arm. Hugs, J Figgertoes, can you learn to use your mouse with your left hand? It keeps the right hand from having to do so darned much. > > "Joy" <j@notell.com> wrote in > > [...] [quoted text clipped - 51 lines] > Hugs, > J > Figgertoes, can you learn to use your mouse with your left hand? It > keeps the right hand from having to do so darned much. > Jackie I'll try. Great idea! Thanks. Fig >> "Joy" <j@notell.com> wrote in >> [...] [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > shopping, at work) to see contributing factors or the way you use your > body. J, so are you saying the passive therapy is not so useful or just different? Did you list in order of effectiveness? Massage therapist suggested a chiropractor, but mine can't be found. I hesitate to start with a new one. Massage therapist thinks he cannot affect the root cause of this. > Since you are having numbness, I think it's important to have an EMG > first. If there's pressure on a nerve somewhere, the numbness can > become permanent and result in loss of strength. > And I know it's possible to have nerve compression in more than one > place; my left arm the numbness comes from leaning my wrist and > leaning on my elbow. Suggested the EMG to doc today. Waiting to hear back. What about an MRI? > Thanks, J. This is very helpful info. Monday morning, I had a list compiled from suggestions from poeple on this site for hospice to look at for Socks. They are trying to line up massage for his swollen feet - lymph something. The lasix someone found useful wouldn't work for Socks since it drains fluid from all over the body & his only swelling is lower - ankles/feet/toes. I am gleaning useful information here even for the later stages of his illness. Wish I had found it earlier in the game. Big HUGS for ((((J)))) Fig > J, so are you saying the passive therapy is not so useful or just > different? Passive is useful. <http://healthtoday.net/sect_channels1.cfm?ID=174&category=First%20aid§ion=Ch annels> > Did you list in order of effectiveness? Massage therapist > suggested a chiropractor, but mine can't be found. I can't see the need for a chiro, unless the numbness is coming from your spine, but the numbness should first be investigated by the EMG test. (in my non expert opinion). > I hesitate to start > with a new one. Massage therapist thinks he cannot affect the root cause > of this. Unsure what you are saying. Is he saying he cannot do harm? (he's probably right) > > Since you are having numbness, I think it's important to have an EMG > > first. If there's pressure on a nerve somewhere, the numbness can [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > > Suggested the EMG to doc today. Waiting to hear back. That's good :-) > What about an MRI? As far as I know, MRI can see muscle tears. But I've never heard of muscle tears and numbness, so I think it prudent to pursue the EMG while you're continuing with the passive methods. Sometimes they can find a correctible problem. It might be helpful if you tell us more about the numbness: constant? location? That web page (above) mentioned wrapping the muscle. I do that with any muscle that can be wrapped. For instance muscles around a knee, I wrap for during sleep, then take it off. Same for elbow and actually if I don't stop typing, I might have to wrap my arm muscle (same one as yuurs, but I usually massage it myself and rest it. (PS the wrapping I do is a) not too tight and b) only for a week or so, during sleep) Back later (about the rest of your post) about tips for Socks. Thanks for the hugs, Fig, Sending more back to you and Socks, J > I can't see the need for a chiro, unless the numbness is coming from > your spine, but the numbness should first be investigated by the EMG > test. (in my non expert opinion). Trying to get EMG but 1st open appointment is 9/23. Trying to get that expedited. The massage therapist induced the same type of numbness while working around C7. I don't know if that means the spine is involved (which the X-ray did NOT indicate) or what. >> Massage therapist thinks he cannot affect the root >> cause of this. > > Unsure what you are saying. > Is he saying he cannot do harm? (he's probably right) He would be more comfortable working with a diagnosis. He says this is like attacking with a shotgun rather than a laser. However, all the muscles around this area are very tight & need work anyway. Something he is doing eases the pain somewhat but not the numbness. That's why he says he's not affecting the root cause. If the numbness went away, it might be a different story. > It might be helpful if you tell us more about the numbness: > constant? > location? It comes & goes. Numbness is from the elbow down through the fingertips. The arm seems more numb, while the fingertips are more tingly before the numbness travels down to them. I have experiminted with some stretching exercises, including the one where you bend your arm & pull it to the other side with the other hand. Sometimes that makes it feel better; other times, worse! The pain increases later in the day & is worse toward the end of the work week, which suggests to me that the computer plays a BIG role. I do take breaks - have for years - to exercise my 2 replacement knees (WAY too much backpacking in my younger years, I guess). > That web page (above) mentioned wrapping the muscle. I do that with > any muscle that can be wrapped. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > (PS the wrapping I do is a) not too tight and b) only for a week or > so, during sleep) Well, this works out! We're wrapping Socks' ankle/foot during the day with an Ace bandage. I bought a 4", but hospice is bringing out 6" ones. I can have the 4 incher. Tonight, if I want to use the one he's taking off his feet! I'll give that some thought... There's plenty of those hugs in my inventory, J. So back to (((((J)))) Fig me@privacy.net said... > The pain increases later in the day & is worse > toward the end of the work week, which suggests to me that the computer > plays a BIG role. It's not the dreaded RSI, is it?  SignatureI try to be a good example to my children, but they just see me as a dire warning. Emily <me@privacy.net> wrote in news:MPG.1d6671cae51644ae989916 @news.individual.net: > me@privacy.net said... >> The pain increases later in the day & is worse >> toward the end of the work week, which suggests to me that the computer >> plays a BIG role. > > It's not the dreaded RSI, is it? Not sure. Why is it so dreaded? I hope this isn't for life. Give it up, Em. Someone pointed me to the acronym finder. No matter what you throw at me, I can now decode it. That site is better than my Cracker Jack decoder ring :-) me@privacy.net said... > Emily <me@privacy.net> wrote in news:MPG.1d6671cae51644ae989916 > @news.individual.net: [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Not sure. Why is it so dreaded? I hope this isn't for life. Repetitive Strain Injury. The sort of thing you can get from doing the same thing all the time - like typing, for instance - and for which the only real cure is rest. SignatureI try to be a good example to my children, but they just see me as a dire warning. > me@privacy.net said... >> Emily <me@privacy.net> wrote in news:MPG.1d6671cae51644ae989916 [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > the same thing all the time - like typing, for instance - and for > which the only real cure is rest. Hi, Emily, I must not have been clear in my post. Previously, lots of folks used a variety of acronyms unfamiliar to me. After I started using the acronym site, I find most everything. I saw the definition, but don't like the sound of it. Today was a pretty good arm day. I'm grateful. Maybe this is giving me a flavor of what Socks has been enduring for 4+ years. Ok, OK, I got it now. You can stop now!!! I got it, I got it...Owwwwwww ... SCREECH!! I think I'll go get a bowl of Death by Chocolate ice cream. And Socks' aromatherapy cream. Fig me@privacy.net said... > > me@privacy.net said... > >> Emily <me@privacy.net> wrote in news:MPG.1d6671cae51644ae989916 [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > > I must not have been clear in my post. I wasn't sure. I thought you'd probably know what I meant - put it down to brain fuzziness or something on my part. > Previously, lots of folks used a > variety of acronyms unfamiliar to me. After I started using the acronym > site, I find most everything. I saw the definition, but don't like the > sound of it. I have to admit that I don't like the sound of it either, and I have this almost pins-and-needles feeling in my right shoulder which could well be connected with typing and mousing and not having the ideal set- up here regarding wrist rests and suchlike. > Today was a pretty good arm day. I'm grateful. Good :-)) > Maybe this is giving me a > flavor of what Socks has been enduring for 4+ years. That doesn't bear thinking about :-( > Ok, OK, I got it now. > You can stop now!!! I got it, I got it...Owwwwwww ... SCREECH!! You sure? You've really got it? > I think I'll go get a bowl of Death by Chocolate ice cream. And Socks' > aromatherapy cream. If you eat the whole bowl of ice cream by yourself you'll get fat and ill. That would be a Bad Thing. Here, (she said horrendously self- righteously and with a sugary-sweet health-visitor sort of smile) let me Save You From Yourself. /me grabs spare bowl and spoon and Saves Fig From Herself. *Schlurrrp* Mmmmm! That was rather nice... Here, try some of this. It's called Peanut Butter Overload and is basically vanilla ice cream liberally laced with peanut butter and choccy covered peanuts. If that's not to your taste there's one with delectable fudge pieces and bits of toffee in, or there's the one with the choc chip cookies not-quite-crumbled in a mixture of vanilla ice cream and chocolate sauce, or there's... oh dear. Now I'm going to need to Saved From Myself as well. Oh blow it, it's probably too late for that. Where's that tub of Lemon and Lime Cheesecake ice cream? I say, does that aromatherapy cream help pinsandneedlesy feelings in shoulders? 'Cos if so, I think I could make some use of the recipe. SignatureI try to be a good example to my children, but they just see me as a dire warning. >> I think I'll go get a bowl of Death by Chocolate ice cream. And >> Socks' aromatherapy cream. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > righteously and with a sugary-sweet health-visitor sort of smile) let > me Save You From Yourself. Only a true friend would do that. > /me grabs spare bowl and spoon and Saves Fig From Herself. > > *Schlurrrp* Mmmmm! That was rather nice... Me misjudges friend. > Here, try some of this. It's called Peanut Butter Overload and is > basically vanilla ice cream liberally laced with peanut butter and [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > need to Saved From Myself as well. Oh blow it, it's probably too late > for that. Where's that tub of Lemon and Lime Cheesecake ice cream? I don't know what all goes on here when I'm off to work, but it definitely involves large quantities of ice cream. So the Fig must strike when provisions are fresh. Or lay away a secret stash in the basement freezer. Socks, whatever you do, don't read this!!! > I say, does that aromatherapy cream help pinsandneedlesy feelings in > shoulders? 'Cos if so, I think I could make some use of the recipe. If it helps cancer-in-the-bone pain, I'd say there's a good chance. They gave us the recipe before & will give it again now that I know how good it is. I can definitely smell lavender. It's essential oils in a cream base. Do you have places there to buy those sorts of ingredients? I know where hospice gets their ingredients & am fairly certain I can come close to the formula. If nothing else, I could bring some to you. Best you put locks on those ice cream freezers! > Emily <me@privacy.net> wrote in >> I say, does that aromatherapy cream help pinsandneedlesy feelings in >> shoulders? 'Cos if so, I think I could make some use of the recipe. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > it is. I can definitely smell lavender. It's essential oils in a cream > base. Do you have places there to buy those sorts of ingredients? Oh! Those poor emus! That's why I never see them on my hummingbird feeder! mness215@comcast.net said... > > Emily <me@privacy.net> wrote in > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Oh! Those poor emus! That's why I never see them on my hummingbird feeder! "__???__" SignatureI try to be a good example to my children, but they just see me as a dire warning. > mness215@comcast.net said... >> >> > Emily <me@privacy.net> wrote in >> >> >> I say, does that aromatherapy cream help pinsandneedlesy feelings in >> >> shoulders? ... >> > It's essential oils in a >> > cream [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >> > "__???__" The essential oil ingrediant credited with painkilling is Emu Oil. And emus are ground dwelling birds on th order of ostriches. Irony doesn't communicate well online does it? Anyway, you can get emu oil from Massage Warehouse online or in Norcross GA. I bought some there for a masseuse friend once. mness215@comcast.net said... > >> > It's essential oils in a > >> > cream [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > The essential oil ingredient credited with painkilling is Emu Oil. Emu oil?? <Google google> Good grief! Have a look at this, folks: http://www.emuoilcanada.com/ This stuff claims to help everything except - hold on, run that by me again... everything except head lice. If I were a cynic I'd notice that emu oil helps everything that tea tree oil doesn't - and vice versa. Hmmm. Not manufactured by the same people by any chance, are they? Oh yuck, look at this: "Emu oil is rendered from a thick layer of fat on the back yielding 5 - 7 liters of unsaturated, non-toxic, highly penetrating oil." Ick. SignatureI try to be a good example to my children, but they just see me as a dire warning. mness215@comcast.net said... > >> Oh! Those poor emus! That's why I never see them on my hummingbird > >> feeder! > >> > > "__???__" > > The essential oil ingrediant credited with painkilling is Emu Oil. The emu is a timid bird He's not at all ebullient And nor would you be, were you Being raised for an emollient SignatureEmily's Other 'Arf > mness215@comcast.net said... >> >> Oh! Those poor emus! That's why I never see them on my hummingbird [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > And nor would you be, were you > Being raised for an emollient Oh, that's good, and funny. Personally, I don't believe any of these trendy treatments. But I'm just an old skeptic. Just when you think they can't come up with anything weirder, they do. mness215@comcast.net said... > > mness215@comcast.net said... > >> >> Oh! Those poor emus! That's why I never see them on my hummingbird [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Oh, that's good, and funny. <G> You see what I have to put up with? He's like that all the time! > Personally, I don't believe any of these trendy treatments. But I'm just an > old skeptic. Just when you think they can't come up with anything weirder, > they do. *Chuckle* You're me, you are. I am totally sceptical about anything that makes as many claims as tea tree oil, emu oil, etc. I can accept that chocolate is nature's antidepressant; unfortunately I can also vouch for its unwanted side effects... By the way, I hope you realise I've still got a mental image of an emu at a hummingbird feeder? SignatureEmily, listening to the long guitar solo intro to Shine On You Crazy Diamond. I've got See Emily Play coming up later on in the playlist :-) By the way, I hope you realise > I've still got a mental image of an emu at a hummingbird feeder? You were supposed to. mness215@comcast.net said... > By the way, I hope you realise > > I've still got a mental image of an emu at a hummingbird feeder? > > You were supposed to. Gosh, thanks. It wouldn't be so bad if it weren't a cartoon image, as drawn by the likes of Larson... ;-) Signature"Some witty person in rec.arts.sf.composition (I forget who) called them feral apostrophes. Untamed, unregulated, they roam the wastes of the English language and pop up where lea'st expected." >> Emily <me@privacy.net> wrote in > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Oh! Those poor emus! That's why I never see them on my hummingbird > feeder! "_???_" me@privacy.net said... > >> I think I'll go get a bowl of Death by Chocolate ice cream. And > >> Socks' aromatherapy cream. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Only a true friend would do that. Nods. Of course! > > /me grabs spare bowl and spoon and Saves Fig From Herself. > > > > *Schlurrrp* Mmmmm! That was rather nice... > > Me misjudges friend. *Grin* > > Here, try some of this. It's called Peanut Butter Overload and is > > basically vanilla ice cream liberally laced with peanut butter and [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > strike when provisions are fresh. Or lay away a secret stash in the > basement freezer. Socks, whatever you do, don't read this!!! I'm rather spoiled here because I have a local ice cream emporium. Mr Creemy (yes, honestly) has a shop just a couple of miles away from me, which means that high days and holidays just /have/ to be celebrated with a short drive out accompanied by a larger coolbag. The stuff's all made locally, and is available all over south Wales and even made it to the kitchens in the Houses of Parliament. There's fame! > > I say, does that aromatherapy cream help pinsandneedlesy feelings in > > shoulders? 'Cos if so, I think I could make some use of the recipe. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > it is. I can definitely smell lavender. It's essential oils in a cream > base. Do you have places there to buy those sorts of ingredients? Yes, I can find most oils. Lavender is known to be relaxing, isn't it. Hmmm. I could even have a go at mixing something myself. Mind you, I have a suspicion that the only way I'll really cure my problem is to stop using the computer for a couple of weeks. Oh dear. > I know where hospice gets their ingredients & am fairly certain I can come > close to the formula. If nothing else, I could bring some to you. Best > you put locks on those ice cream freezers! Mmm. Did someone mention ice cream?? SignatureI try to be a good example to my children, but they just see me as a dire warning. > > That web page (above) mentioned wrapping the muscle. I do that with > > any muscle that can be wrapped. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > I can have the 4 incher. Tonight, if I want to use the one he's taking > off his feet! I'll give that some thought... My first thought was geez that might be stinky <smile> 4" sounds goods to me. Takes a few nights to know if it's helping. The reason I don't wear one all the time is that (I think) can cause muscle wasting. I want to keep my muscle strength. > There's plenty of those hugs in my inventory, J. > > So back to (((((J)))) Awaiting your update on this. ( ( ( Figgertoes ) ) ) J >> > That web page (above) mentioned wrapping the muscle. I do that with >> > any muscle that can be wrapped. [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > ( ( ( Figgertoes ) ) ) > J Smelled OK, so I used it. Too soon to tell if it did any good. ( ( J ) ) Just to let you both know, Alayne's back from holidays. It'll take her a bit to get the unpacking done and settling the kids in and, I imagine, preparations for the work week, next week. She'll be with us when and as she is able. Hugs J configuring@anon.inv said... > Just to let you both know, Alayne's back from holidays. > It'll take her a bit to get the unpacking done and settling the kids in and, > I imagine, preparations for the work week, next week. > She'll be with us when and as she is able. I thought it had been quiet in here... ;-) SignatureI try to be a good example to my children, but they just see me as a dire warning. > > I can't see the need for a chiro, unless the numbness is coming from > > your spine, but the numbness should first be investigated by the EMG [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > working around C7. I don't know if that means the spine is involved > (which the X-ray did NOT indicate) or what. Well, I can induce numbness in my right arm, by pressing a spot on my right shoulder, but normally my right arm isn't numb. > >> Massage therapist thinks he cannot affect the root > >> cause of this. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > says he's not affecting the root cause. If the numbness went away, it > might be a different story. We're all on the "same page" then. I hate to tell you this, but this might be chronic. (unless they find something that's surgically adressable). My left arm problem is almost always numb and it travels down the way yours does). The nerve feels "rolly polly" (I can't find nor feel it on the other non-numb elbow). See if you can locate the nerve at your elbow. If so, see if pressing on it, duplicates the numbness. Don't keep pressing a lot though. > It comes & goes. Numbness is from the elbow down through the fingertips. > The arm seems more numb, while the fingertips are more tingly before the [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > replacement knees (WAY too much backpacking in my younger years, I > guess). <replied separately about muscle pain/ wrapping> We use our arms thousands of times/ways on any given day. Some contributing factors are here http://www.plasticsurgery4u.com/procedure_folder/cubital_tunnel.html They also mention conservative methods. (which might help while you're waiting for the EMG) I was told to use a sports kneepad to keep the elbow straight during sleep, but it doesn't work. I still bend my elbow. My arm still gets numb. Another idea is if a cast is made specially to fit. Haven't explored that one. I'm not suggesing surgery. (mentioned on that web page) because if you read that bit, it also says that pain and numbness can result. Sheesh ! Sounds like you might have more than one thing going on there. Is there a different type of occupation, that uses less your arm? gotta post quickly. Thunder and lightning. Could lose this post. Hugs J > Well, I can induce numbness in my right arm, by pressing a spot on my > right shoulder, but normally my right arm isn't numb. Good. That answers that. Are you left-handed? Do you have pain? The pain I have is far worse than the numbness. > See if you can locate the nerve at your elbow. If so, see if > pressing on it, duplicates the numbness. Havent't found it yet. Re wrapping: Was the goal to keep the arm straight? I didn't take the wrap past the elbow. Should I hve? If you wrap your own arm, I'm impressed. My 1st efforts left me looking like a refugee! At best, it's hard to maintain tension while wrapping yourself. I have sports kneepads. Will give them a try. > I'm not suggesing surgery. (mentioned on that web page) because if you > read that bit, it also says that pain and numbness can result. Sheesh > ! So often, even a bottle of pills warns that a possible side effect is the very condition you're trying to remedy! Like you said in an old post, they must cover all bases with those warnings. This surgery could be a different situation though. If they injure the nerve in the process of trying to fix it, they may reintroduce the problem. > Sounds like you might have more than one thing going on there. > Is there a different type of occupation, that uses less your arm? Well, I could become a greeter at Walmart:-/ Can't think of anything that doesn't require extensive computer work. This gig I'm on now is more computer-intense than anything I've done tho. AND the setup is lousey. I did order a gel filled keyboard support to match my gel mouse pad. Should be delivered today. The one I borrowed was foam & too squishy - not tall enough either. The one I ordered is height- adjustable. I'm going shopping today for one for home. I am also looking at new home setups. There are some extremely high-end office furniture places here. My all-time favorite mesh office chair, which I had at Encana, came from one of those ergonomic places & retails for nearly USD 2K! I'll visit there to see what to look for & then try to find something more budget-friendly. Or spring for a setup that rivals the price of a good used car. Hope you enjoyed your storm & no damage. Fig > J <configuring@anon.inv> wrote : > > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Good. That answers that. Are you left-handed? Do you have pain? The > pain I have is far worse than the numbness. I understand. (about pain) although the numbness sometimes drives me up a wall. When I'm driving, my "numb" arm rests on the armrest, which can't be removed because it's part of the door handle and chairs with armrests, ditto. My numbness is on the underside of my left arm. I'm right handed. I have a shoulder problem where I can't raise or extend my arm without pain. If I overdo (computer or anything, the shoulder just throbs all night) The problem's in the joint, but the muscles can act up too. That's the arm I sometimes wrap. The wrapping stabilizes the upper arm muscle and rests the muscle during sleep. Wrapping the elbow never worked for me to keep the arm straight (re below) but does work for the elbow when I get elbow tendonitis. > > See if you can locate the nerve at your elbow. If so, see if > > pressing on it, duplicates the numbness. > > > Havent't found it yet. Mine's been hard to find lately. But I can feel it. It feels differently from the rest (bone, skin). it's wobbly. It's the same spot when/where we "hurt our funny bone", Maybe the EMG person will point it out to you, if that's the problem. They did me. > Re wrapping: Was the goal to keep the arm straight? I didn't take the > wrap past the elbow. Should I hve? I wouldn't try to do two separate things with the same wrap. > If you wrap your own arm, I'm impressed. Guess you'll have to be impressed <g> I've been doing it for years. I drape the beginning of the bandage over the target muscle, wrap lightly once to hold the starting point in place, then continue wrapping. I tie it with a safety pin. How I do that, is hold the end of the wrap with last 2 fingers of the other hand, with pin in mouth, bend my head close to the hand on the wrap, fingers grab the pin out of my mouth and affix. Gee it's harder to explain than actually do. > My 1st efforts left me looking like a refugee! At best, it's > hard to maintain tension while wrapping yourself. I have sports > kneepads. Will give them a try. Maybe, I don't want to complicate things or turn you off the idea of trying it, by saying what that just did to me. > > I'm not suggesing surgery. (mentioned on that web page) because if you > > read that bit, it also says that pain and numbness can result. Sheesh [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > different situation though. If they injure the nerve in the process of > trying to fix it, they may reintroduce the problem. Right, although I must say that carpal tunnel surgery on my right hand (30'ish years ago) did help. There was a lingering sharp pain, which turned out years later to be (discovered) to be shoulder joint and muscle problem). But I digress, unless you've got two problems going on there, which is entirely possible. > > Sounds like you might have more than one thing going on there. > > Is there a different type of occupation, that uses less your arm? > > Well, I could become a greeter at Walmart:-/ Can't think of anything > that doesn't require extensive computer work. Selling real estate. Consulting Sales Motivational speaker. Or any type of speaker. Managing a band. <smile> Well, anything where you're so far up the ladder, someone else does the grunt work for you. Although I hope you noted that how one uses the phone can affect that area too. > This gig I'm on now is > more computer-intense than anything I've done tho. AND the setup is [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > find something more budget-friendly. Or spring for a setup that rivals > the price of a good used car. Ergonomics are expensive; well worth it though. Some employers can't afford it and/or don't care. Others do. Your purchases might be useful at work or home. Now that you've got the voice recognition, that might be useful for at home. Let it type, then just do some editing? A lady I know teaches computer related topics and also consults with others with same problems and recommends what's best for them (at work or at home). She had quite a thriving business going on, last I heard. I think she did have to take courses and get certification first. > Hope you enjoyed your storm & no damage. I always enjoy storms. No damage here, although it'll be busy for storms here until well into October. Yesterday, we went out in a cloudburst and got totally soaked. That was fun; I like to do that from time to time; reminds me of childhood and cools us off. No pool, nor air conditioning here, so we do what we can. This post has gotten long. From now until the EMG, I suppose it's trial and error for you to see what improves what. Hugs J J, I had no idea you had so many issues yourself. And painful ones. No wonder you are so knowledgable about arm physiology & treatment. You've been through so much yourself. Thanks for taking the time to share. I do appreciate it! > I wouldn't try to do two separate things with the same wrap. Ok, I guess I got it right last night. After reading your post this AM, I thought maybe the whole idea was to wrap it so it stays straight. I'll do it each night the same way & see what happens. >> If you wrap your own arm, I'm impressed. > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > grab the pin out of my mouth and affix. > Gee it's harder to explain than actually do. Can't wait for the video of this! >> > Sounds like you might have more than one thing going on there. >> > Is there a different type of occupation, that uses less your arm? [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Although I hope you noted that how one uses the phone can affect that > area too. I have been thinking I might enjoy working with people more - by that I mean more different types of people. I am more right/left brain balanced than most of the other CPAs & attorneys I spend my days with (who are solidly left-brained). I do enjoy the extremely technical nature of my work. It doesn't make for great cocktail chatter, but it does still engross me after all these years. And I did invest a lot of years studying to be qualified to do it. I have primarily been a consultant for a number of years, but I am ready to be part of a team again. The grass is always greener & some benefits are easier to obtain. The US social system is quite different from the Canadian in many ways. These last few years, it's been great to take off for weeks at a time to travel with Socks. As an employee, I wouldn't have that freedom. I am rambling on, aren't I? Well, I'm conflicted & this arm adds a new dimension. Here, we talk of driving a Coors Beer truck. You know, you take beer to stores that sell it to people who want it & you see the direct effect of what you did. Further, you can explain to most anyone exactly what you do & they understand. I have improved my phone usage - usually use the speakerphone these days. Used to cradle between ear & shoulder a lot. > Ergonomics are expensive; well worth it though. > Some employers can't afford it and/or don't care. Others do. I've experienced both extremes. From mandatory chair adjustment classes to throwing a computer on any old desk & calling it good. > Your purchases might be useful at work or home. > Now that you've got the voice recognition, that might be useful for at > home. Let it type, then just do some editing? Socks had a lot more editing to do than he thought he would. He takes lots of drugs which might slur his voice. Many times, what the program thought he said was 180 out (& quite funny). It might work better for me. He doesn't use it at all anymore, so I will load it on my machine & give it a go. I hear the program improves as you train it. >> Hope you enjoyed your storm & no damage. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > from time to time; reminds me of childhood and cools us off. No pool, > nor air conditioning here, so we do what we can. We have no A/C or pool either, although I use a pool at the gym. I dislike A/C but may be tempted to install one when I replace the heater. I actually enjoy gardening in light rain. Don't mind getting wet at all. Gave up on blow drying & just let the mop curl! Today was 70s & tomorrow will be 60s. With showers. Blessed relief! Then next week, back to hotter. Good night now, And thanks for some really thoughtful suggestions. Figgertoes > This post has gotten long. From now until the EMG, I suppose it's > trial and error for you to see what improves what. > Hugs > J > J, I had no idea you had so many issues yourself. And painful ones. No > wonder you are so knowledgable about arm physiology & treatment. You've > been through so much yourself. Thanks for taking the time to share. I do > appreciate it! Hopefully, my experiences will help you. > > I wouldn't try to do two separate things with the same wrap. > > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Can't wait for the video of this! Maybe we should see a video of yours <smile> By the way, I didn't mean for wrapping to sound easy. It's just been so long that I've been doing it, I can't remember my first attempts. > I have been thinking I might enjoy working with people more - by that I > mean more different types of people. I am more right/left brain balanced [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > engross me after all these years. And I did invest a lot of years > studying to be qualified to do it. Do what you love; love what you do for now. Keep on dreaming of other possibilities if what you choose harms your health (arm pain etc) See how it goes. You've got more than enough to handle at the moment. You're amazing. I just don't know how you find all the time... > I have primarily been a consultant for a number of years, but I am ready > to be part of a team again. The grass is always greener & some benefits [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > have that freedom. I am rambling on, aren't I? Well, I'm conflicted & > this arm adds a new dimension. Absolutely, since we don't know if there's a "fix". > Here, we talk of driving a Coors Beer truck. You know, you take beer to > stores that sell it to people who want it & you see the direct effect of > what you did. Further, you can explain to most anyone exactly what you > do & they understand. I see what you mean. > I have improved my phone usage - usually use the speakerphone these days. > Used to cradle between ear & shoulder a lot. Glad you're using the speakerphone more. There's headsets too but that tends to tie us to one place and isolate us from hearing others speaking to us. > > Ergonomics are expensive; well worth it though. > > Some employers can't afford it and/or don't care. Others do. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > He doesn't use it at all anymore, so I will load it on my machine & give > it a go. I hear the program improves as you train it. Sounds like a good idea when you have time. > Good night now, And thanks for some really thoughtful suggestions. You've very welcome, Figgertoes. Hope each day finds your arm pain improving. Hugs J > You're amazing. I just don't know how you find all the time... Me??? How about you? I don't seem to require much sleep. You don't seem to either.. I don't often find time to do things like mop the floor, which Aunt Ruth just called me to do. She swept & thinks I should mop. Moi? If your socks stick to the kitchen floor, just don't wear socks in the kitchen, right? Socks has always gotten up several times during the night to check email & work. I don't do that. Once asleep, I stay asleep until the furry alarm clocks go off. But it's late to bed & early to rise for me. Off to find that mop... Fig me@privacy.net said... > I don't often find time to do things like mop the floor, which > Aunt Ruth just called me to do. She swept & thinks I should mop. Moi? If > your socks stick to the kitchen floor, just don't wear socks in the > kitchen, right? Right! (Mop?? What are the cats going to do for fun if there are no creepy-crawlies on the kitchen floor because someone's cleaned it?) SignatureI try to be a good example to my children, but they just see me as a dire warning. > me@privacy.net said... >> I don't often find time to do things like mop the floor, which [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Right! (Mop?? What are the cats going to do for fun if there are no > creepy-crawlies on the kitchen floor because someone's cleaned it?) Ask Aunt Ruth. me@privacy.net said... > > me@privacy.net said... > >> I don't often find time to do things like mop the floor, which [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Ask Aunt Ruth. I take it the cats /are/ allowed into the kitchen - or are they banished? Here, has Aunt Ruth infiltrated my family? My 15 yr old daughter has (shock, horror) cleaned the worktops! Aarghh! And now she insists that we keep it that way! Thankfully she refuses to tackle the floor (not that I blame her - I don't want to tackle it either) but even so - a teenager /cleaning/ things?? I feel faint. SignatureI try to be a good example to my children, but they just see me as a dire warning. > I take it the cats /are/ allowed into the kitchen - or are they > banished? It's the other way around actually. They allow/us/in the kitchen to replentish their food & water. Thankfully she refuses to tackle the > floor (not that I blame her - I don't want to tackle it either) New floors are nice. Aunt Ruth is no neat/clean freak, so the kitchen floors must have been pretty bad. She keeps telling me over & over how wonderful they look (positive reinforcement, I'd recognize it anywhere). She reorganized - no, drop the re - all my plastic containers so now we can find the lids that fit the bottoms. She obviously doesn't understand the thrill of the hunt. She cleaned the refrigerators - even that one out in the garage. Could she be a neat-nick in slob clothing?? Oh no...it can't be...... Yikes!! We have been infiltrated by the enemy!! My own "you can eat off my floors" mother come back to haunt us in our own home. Where is Socks' methadone? His knock out meds? I'm not feeling well...I'll change the locks on the doors. No, that won't work: she's/inside/!?! I'll lock/myself/ out then. No, I'm still wearing pyjamas & might scare the neighbors. There's no way out of this. Nothing to do but go unload the dishwasher & fold a load of clothes. Maybe wipe fingerprints from the fridge door... Fig me@privacy.net said... > > I take it the cats /are/ allowed into the kitchen - or are they > > banished? > > It's the other way around actually. They allow/us/in the kitchen to > replentish their food & water. Yep, that sounds about right ;-) > Thankfully she refuses to tackle the > > floor (not that I blame her - I don't want to tackle it either) [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > drop the re - all my plastic containers so now we can find the lids that > fit the bottoms. She obviously doesn't understand the thrill of the hunt. Wow. Matching containers and lids? In one place?? I think I need a lie down. > She cleaned the refrigerators - even that one out in the garage. Could she > be a neat-nick in slob clothing?? Oh no...it can't be...... Yikes!! We have [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > this. Nothing to do but go unload the dishwasher & fold a load of clothes. > Maybe wipe fingerprints from the fridge door... Cleaned the refrig...??? Oh my. This is terrifying stuff. I really, really hope my darling teenager stops short of doing that. Some of what's growing in the 'fridge has been there so lont it's almost family! SignatureI try to be a good example to my children, but they just see me as a dire warning. > me@privacy.net said... > > I don't often find time to do things like mop the floor, which [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Right! (Mop?? What are the cats going to do for fun if there are no > creepy-crawlies on the kitchen floor because someone's cleaned it?) Sorry to butt in to this hysterical conversation between you two ladies but I have an idea what cats can do for entertainment. It involves one small bird brought into the owners boudoir in the wee hours of the morning, let loose and then pouncing on the owners face as she turns over in the night .... okay, okay so I've been on hols. for a week.... but was there really any need for that ;-) Hugs to you two. Alayne - still waiting for the chocolate cake invitation ;-) totallyfake@emailaddress.com said... > > me@privacy.net said... > > > I don't often find time to do things like mop the floor, which [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > .... okay, okay so I've been on hols. for a week.... but was there really > any need for that ;-) Oh my goodness! Did the poor thing survive? No, I guess not. Birds are hardly the most robust of creatures, are they. How was your holiday? Where did you go? Did the girls behave? Did /you/ behave? <g> > Hugs to you two. And back to you. Good to have you back. > Alayne - still waiting for the chocolate cake invitation ;-) Waiting?? What on earth for? Just do what everyone else does and dive straight in! Let's face it, if you don't, there won't be any left... ;-) SignatureI try to be a good example to my children, but they just see me as a dire warning. > totallyfake@emailaddress.com said... > > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > holiday? Where did you go? Did the girls behave? Did /you/ behave? > <g> Which "poor thing" are you referring to, the bird or the cat ;-) No, the bird didn't survive but fortunately the cat did (might have been a different story had I not been asleep though, I didn't even raise my voice at her, just a sleepy tut!) Holiday was okay, weather was it's usual standard but at least I managed to take my coat off whilst sitting on the beach ;-) We went to Kessingland nr Lowestoft actually, nice neck of the woods and caravan had a sea view. Did the girls behave, hmmm... mostly, they're still with me so they must have done. Did I behave, naturally my dear.... although as you are a mine of information..... any idea where I can get hold of some cheap plastic ducks... little idea I have for the Mr Rally next month ;-) > > Hugs to you two. > > And back to you. Good to have you back. Hmmm thanks, looks like we need some "intelligent" conversation around here ;-) > > Alayne - still waiting for the chocolate cake invitation ;-) > > Waiting?? What on earth for? Just do what everyone else does and dive > straight in! Let's face it, if you don't, there won't be any left... > ;-) Obviously, with you two there before me ;-) > I try to be a good example to my children, but they just see me as a > dire warning. Hugs Em Alayne totallyfake@emailaddress.com said... > Holiday was okay, weather was it's usual standard but at least I managed to > take my coat off whilst sitting on the beach ;-) We went to Kessingland nr > Lowestoft actually, nice neck of the woods and caravan had a sea view. Glad you were able to enjoy it despite the English weather weathering at you. > Did the girls behave, hmmm... mostly, they're still with me so they must > have done. Did I behave, naturally my dear.... Bor-ing! > although as you are a mine > of information..... any idea where I can get hold of some cheap plastic > ducks... little idea I have for the Mr Rally next month ;-) I hardly like to ask :-) Plastic ducks as in real ducks, or plastic ducks as in the little yellow things to put in the bath? If the latter, I'd try your local charity shops, jumble sales etc; if the former, er, um, er, pass. Oh wait though - you could always try the north coast: http://tinyurl.com/bdls9 Oh, I say! Lookee here! http://www.peeks.co.uk/ and in particular: http://tinyurl.com/cblu8 Not only plastic ducks, but also wooden spoons and wooden eggies! Oh joy! The men could have an eggiespoon race! But where, I hear you ask, is the fun in that? Well of course, it all depends on where or how they carry the spoon... SignatureTo reply see 'from' in headers; lose the domain, and insert dots and @ where common sense dictates. > totallyfake@emailaddress.com said... > > Holiday was okay, weather was it's usual standard but at least I managed to [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Glad you were able to enjoy it despite the English weather weathering at > you. It only rained on the last day, so for the coast I certainly take it as a bonus. > > Did the girls behave, hmmm... mostly, they're still with me so they must > > have done. Did I behave, naturally my dear.... > > Bor-ing! I know, I know, saving my misdamenours (spelling!) for our rally next month ;-) > > although as you are a mine > > of information..... any idea where I can get hold of some cheap plastic [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > is the fun in that? Well of course, it all depends on where or how they > carry the spoon... Whopee, I knew you were a treasure Em, been on the site and found a little hoop a duck game that will do just nicely. All I will have to do is cut down the fishing poles (quite considerably) and work out how to attach them to the parts in mind (cable ties sprung to mind but they would have to be careful how tight they made them - ouch!). I think this one will be so hysterical. I'll have to get the guys to put some photos on the site afterwards so you can have a giggle too. Warm Hugs Alayne - smiling with glee..... totallyfake@emailaddress.com said... > > > although as you are a mine > > > of information..... any idea where I can get hold of some cheap plastic > > > ducks... little idea I have for the Mr Rally next month ;-) > > > > > I hardly like to ask :-) > > -- > > To reply see 'from' in headers; lose the domain, and insert dots and @ > > where common sense dictates. Drat and double drat! /When/ will I learn to change my .sig to match the newsgroup? Em, you're a complete noodle. <slaps own wrist> > Whoopee, I knew you were a treasure Em, been on the site and found a little > hoop a duck game that will do just nicely. All I will have to do is cut > down the fishing poles (quite considerably) and work out how to attach them > to the parts in mind (cable ties sprung to mind but they would have to be > careful how tight they made them - ouch!). *Splutter* You wretch! You owe me a new keyboard and monitor! Or you could just pass a cloth over this way... Thanks. I'll go and make a fresh cup of tea to replace that one. Back in a bit... > I think this one will be so > hysterical. I'll have to get the guys to put some photos on the site > afterwards so you can have a giggle too. Oh, yes please! I like a good giggle :-) /me remembers to change .sig Signature"Some witty person in rec.arts.sf.composition (I forget who) called them feral apostrophes. Untamed, unregulated, they roam the wastes of the English language and pop up where lea'st expected." It involves one small bird brought into the owners boudoir in the wee > hours of the morning, let loose and then pouncing on the owners face > as she turns over in the night .... okay, okay so I've been on hols. > for a week.... but was there really any need for that ;-) Our Bandy (God rest his furry soul) did the same one night with a semi-live mouse. Worse, he caught the mouse/inside/our house. And that mouse was no loner. We do feed the birds here. We refer to filling the feeder as "setting bait." In truth, the birdies have nothing to fear from our 2some. They know it, too, & just keep on gobbling those sunflower seeds. > Hugs to you two. Yes! > Alayne - still waiting for the chocolate cake invitation ;-) Do you 2 actually live near? Or just cyber-near? Fig me@privacy.net said... [talking to Emily & Alayne] > Do you 2 actually live near? Or just cyber-near? Cyber-near, unfortunately. Alayne's over on the east side in Cambridge while I'm nearish the west side in south Wales. The vagaries of our wonderful road system mean that we're about 5 hours drive from each other. Whilst that isn't the end of the world, it's a bit of a long way for a day trip :-( SignatureTo reply see 'from' in headers; lose the domain, and insert dots and @ where common sense dictates. > It involves one small bird brought into the owners boudoir in the wee > > hours of the morning, let loose and then pouncing on the owners face [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > mouse. Worse, he caught the mouse/inside/our house. And that mouse was no > loner. Meg likes mice too, although sadly she doesn't appear to eat a whole one and the eyes/spine/tail can be quite gross squashed between the toes if you haven't looked where you are going ;-) > We do feed the birds here. We refer to filling the feeder as "setting > bait." In truth, the birdies have nothing to fear from our 2some. They [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Fig Oh, if only, with all the scrummy things that they seem to sell in Wales! I am afraid that I come from a more "refined" neck of the woods, a couple of miles from a place called Cambridge and being a "blonde" the thought of traipsing "across country" would fill me with dread (and supposedly the Welsh don't like the English anyway - oooh can of worms ;-) Hugs to you Fig. Alayne totallyfake@emailaddress.com said... > > Do you 2 actually live near? Or just cyber-near? > > > Oh, if only, with all the scrummy things that they seem to sell in Wales! What, like the lava bread you mean? You're welcome to it. > I am afraid that I come from a more "refined" neck of the woods, a couple of > miles from a place called Cambridge and being a "blonde" the thought of > traipsing "across country" would fill me with dread Eh? Don't be silly, that's what the bike's for! 'Ere, ask your club members about the West End Cafe in Llandovery - and then ask yourself why you're not here for a few days. My 15 yr old will happily take your two under her wing (there's a playground opposite the caff that's surprisingly popular with my teenagers) and you and I can toddle off over the road and take in the bikes and the home made puddens. > (and supposedly the > Welsh don't like the English anyway - oooh can of worms ;-) Oh yes, definite can of worms. Did I ever point out that I was born in SE London and brought up in NW Kent? Mind you, I've just realised that I've spent nearly half my life in Wales now - which is sort of a scary thought since I'd been thinking I'd only moved here relatively recently... SignatureI try to be a good example to my children, but they just see me as a dire warning. > totallyfake@emailaddress.com said... > > > Do you 2 actually live near? Or just cyber-near? > > > > > Oh, if only, with all the scrummy things that they seem to sell in Wales! > > What, like the lava bread you mean? You're welcome to it. Perhaps I shouldn't poke my nose in other peoples conversations, but I am sure you were mentioning ice cream.... ;-) > > I am afraid that I come from a more "refined" neck of the woods, a couple of > > miles from a place called Cambridge and being a "blonde" the thought of [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > surprisingly popular with my teenagers) and you and I can toddle off > over the road and take in the bikes and the home made puddens. I know that is what the bike is for, but sadly they have yet to design a "proper bike" that has two pillion seats, and we'll stay off the topic of trikes, cos that's what I've got a car for ;-) Actually my lot did indeed make it to Wales last year, they went to the Anglesey Bike Rally and by all accounts a wonderful time was had by all. And if truth were told we spent a week near Fishguard a couple of years back, but that was when I had an adult navigating. > > (and supposedly the > > Welsh don't like the English anyway - oooh can of worms ;-) [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > thought since I'd been thinking I'd only moved here relatively > recently... Hee hee, thought it might, but forgot to offer the can opener. Yes, you did point out that you were born in London (proper Londoner as in sight of the Bow Bells??) but then again, I spent my first year in a caravan so does that make me gypsy?? Just playing devils advocate honey ;-) Warm Hugs Alayne totallyfake@emailaddress.com said... > > > all the scrummy things that they seem to sell in > Wales! [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Perhaps I shouldn't poke my nose in other peoples conversations, but I am > sure you were mentioning ice cream.... ;-) We were. But there's also lava bread. In a tin. Mind, some people actually /like/ seaweed. Then again, I used to eat sampha (sp?) on visits to Norfolk. And I used to like it. > > Eh? Don't be silly, that's what the bike's for! 'Ere, ask your club > > members about the West End Cafe in Llandovery - and then ask yourself [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > "proper bike" that has two pillion seats, and we'll stay off the topic of > trikes, cos that's what I've got a car for ;-) Have I shown you this? http://tinyurl.com/9fsge http://tinyurl.com/d7soa http://tinyurl.com/bqfyt It cost more than the average house, apparently. > Actually my lot did indeed make it to Wales last year, they went to the > Anglesey Bike Rally and by all accounts a wonderful time was had by all. > And if truth were told we spent a week near Fishguard a couple of years > back, but that was when I had an adult navigating. 'S easy from where you are, just time consuming. M11, M25, M4 to Jn34, A4119... and I'll meet you at Tesco in Llantrisant. Quick cuppa at my place 10 miles further on, and then over the Beacons to Llandovery. Well? What about it? > > > (and supposedly the > > > Welsh don't like the English anyway - oooh can of worms ;-) [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > point out that you were born in London (proper Londoner as in sight of the > Bow Bells??) Nah, sarfeast, in Ca'ford innit. > but then again, I spent my first year in a caravan so does that > make me gypsy?? Just playing devils advocate honey ;-) Ooh, one of they travellers we're always 'earin' abaht! Dirty, smelly scruffy things they are and no better than they should be... Whatever that might mean... <ducks and runs> ;-) SignatureTo reply see 'from' in headers; lose the domain, and insert dots and @ where common sense dictates. |
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