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Chris Ness - 20 Jul 2005 10:32 GMT Just wanted you to know I was thinking of you. By now it is starting to get rough. It does get better, I promise. Are you still eating? If they suggest a PEG tube, it is worth the trouble - you have to keep that nutrition and fluid up. I lost 45 pounds at about this point. I didn't eat for weeks and I had problems with keeping the PEG nutrient down. I didn't know the key was to follow the nutrient with water every time. After that it stayed and I put some weight back on. Take your Loritab before it hurts bad and use the magic mouthwash if the pain is starting to get to you. I don't have to tell you to get some rest, because by now you are. Sleeping it off isn't such a bad idea. Just remember there is a light at the end of the tunnel and all this is worth the trouble. Best wishes, Chris
turtletrot1 - 20 Jul 2005 17:41 GMT I want to know more about you. Franzi has lost a good 40 lbs by now and the chemo is really knocking him out and he is only half way. Does it really get better? Did you have a very toxic chemo? Did you have that terrible fatigue? Was your cancer the first or recurrence?
J - 20 Jul 2005 20:03 GMT > I want to know more about you. Franzi has lost a good 40 lbs by now > and the chemo is really knocking him out and he is only half way. Does > it really get better? Did you have a very toxic chemo? Did you have > that terrible fatigue? Was your cancer the first or recurrence? You would be best served comparing to someone who has the same type of cancer and is on similar treatments. Coco might be one but she's on a different treatment than your husband, AR George another; but he doesn't post much here..too busy.
For more to compare with, try the ACOR list for colon cancer http://www.acor.org/mailing.html?l=c Click on the Colon one, it includes Rectal. Then "join". They'll email you when you can start sending messages. Good luck on comparing. J
Chris Ness - 20 Jul 2005 22:01 GMT >> I want to know more about you. Franzi has lost a good 40 lbs by now >> and the chemo is really knocking him out and he is only half way. Does [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Good luck on comparing. > J Thanks, J, I didn't know where to send him. Mine was throat cancer as is Clifto. My chemo was relatively gentle. Eight weeks of carboplatin and Taxol. It was concurrent with the radiation which tore my throat up and caused my weightloss from not eating. So I am not a good model for comparison for yours. Sorry.
J - 21 Jul 2005 12:42 GMT > Thanks, J, I didn't know where to send him. > Mine was throat cancer as is Clifto. My chemo was relatively gentle. Eight > weeks of carboplatin and Taxol. It was concurrent with the radiation which > tore my throat up and caused my weightloss from not eating. So I am not a > good model for comparison for yours. Sorry. hello Chris, It's a she, wife of 78? year old with 2nd recurrence rectal cancer. That's exactly why comparing to a throat cancer isn't helpful. She has to sort out why he's losing the weight, so I've sent her off to ACOR I don't even know weight he was so 40 pounds can be a lot or not much depending on his original weight. Hopefully she'll find answers eventually.
Thanks for explaining. She's probably still reading. J
turtletrot1 - 21 Jul 2005 18:27 GMT Gotcha, "J" Thanks for the info. Onc today said that the Oxaliplatin was probably the culprit...and so modifications in the protocol are in order. F's normal weight was about 170...when he was eating like a horse and riding his bike 40 miles of so on weekends, golfing every weekday morning (me too, that) and Alpine (downhill) skiing in the winter in his beloved Alps. German....could drink lots of beer...what they call either RAdler, or Alster Wasser....half beer and half Seven-Up! (Yuck, too too sweet for me. I'd rather ale.) Today he was 135! No appetite, etc. But that all should improve with the elimination of the Oxaliplatin.
J - 21 Jul 2005 20:19 GMT > Gotcha, "J" Thanks for the info. Onc today said that the Oxaliplatin > was probably the culprit...and so modifications in the protocol are in [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Today he was 135! No appetite, etc. But that all should improve with > the elimination of the Oxaliplatin. Worth a try; the aim of treatment needs to be clear in your husband's mind And at this point, I can't remember if your husband is trying to shrink a tumour in preparation for surgery or to reduce symptoms.... J
clifto - 21 Jul 2005 18:29 GMT > Just wanted you to know I was thinking of you. By now it is starting to get > rough. It does get better, I promise. Are you still eating? Long story, but it looks like my wife is going to be a big obstacle to recovery and I'll be dropping to palliative care. Story later when I can muster the words.
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Sinead - 21 Jul 2005 19:43 GMT >> Just wanted you to know I was thinking of you. By now it is starting to >> get [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > recovery and I'll be dropping to palliative care. Story later when I can > muster the words. Clifto
Look after yourself mate
Sinead
J - 21 Jul 2005 20:25 GMT > > Just wanted you to know I was thinking of you. By now it is starting to get > > rough. It does get better, I promise. Are you still eating? > > Long story, but it looks like my wife is going to be a big obstacle to > recovery and I'll be dropping to palliative care. Story later when I can > muster the words. Try to work things out clifto, if there's a chance at a cure. I forget what Steph said about your stage (3) of cancer. I'm sorry you're having troubles. J
Chris Ness - 22 Jul 2005 00:41 GMT >> Just wanted you to know I was thinking of you. By now it is starting to >> get rough. It does get better, I promise. Are you still eating? > > Long story, but it looks like my wife is going to be a big obstacle to > recovery and I'll be dropping to palliative care. Story later when I can > muster the words. Sorry to hear that. But I can understand. I live in the Atlanta area with my kids, but my wife has spent the last year working in Denver. She is sorry that she couldn't be there for me; and I think it helped the healing process to have her 1600 miles away. Thank goodness for my daughter though - she drove me to the clinics and made sure I did as I was told.
clifto - 22 Jul 2005 17:48 GMT >>> Just wanted you to know I was thinking of you. By now it is starting to >>> get rough. It does get better, I promise. Are you still eating? [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > process to have her 1600 miles away. Thank goodness for my daughter though > - she drove me to the clinics and made sure I did as I was told. It's nothing like that, Chris. It has to do with my fear of the radiation machine and my wife's hysteria over the anxiolytics I take to endure it. Up until the other day this wasn't a problem. Then last week we had a case where I had five minutes between taking the xanax and actually going for RT. Fortunately, the nice people took someone else in my place and gave me an extra thirty minutes to drink lots of water and walk around a lot to help get whatever xanax I could into my system, so this incident wasn't much worse than normal.
But the other day we had to rearrange our schedule to take chemo before RT, and rather than actually doing chemo they just drew blood samples. So we had two hours between the time we left the chemo place and the time RT would start.
Now, if you check your PDR, you'll find that xanax reaches maximum absorption into the body at around two hours, so this was perfect for treatment. But Dr. Wife disagreed, threw an absolute sh.t fit, and declared that I was taking the xanax to get high and not for any reason having to do with treatment. Obviously, the other day I took it five minutes before treatment and I was fine, so five minutes is enough. So we wasted time while I anticipated the horror machine.
I went to treatment and told the people I was completely unmedicated, and in extreme fear. They assured me about their intercom (through which I've already seen they can't hear speech at normal volume) and told me they'd keep a special watch on me. Then they strapped me down and began twenty-four hours of absolute torture.
I have nearly no voice at this point, and at that point all I could muster was a whisper. I must have scream-whispered "please stop!" hundreds of times while the machine whirred away with my head jammed in it. Had I been able to reason, I'd have stuck my hands in the path of the beams to get them to stop the machine, or let my legs fall off the sides of the table (a no-no per previous experience), Meantime all I could think to do was to grab things tightly and pull with all my might to help relieve the tension.
Once they unsnapped the eleventh snap (I count) I did my best to get off that table and onto the nice, solid floor. Two or three of the techs grabbed me and tried to keep me from going, fearing that I wasn't aware I was over four feet off the floor. I laid there a while, and everyone tried to figure out what was going on and felt guilty for a while, and I was finally able to explain it to them. Somehow the subject changed to how xanax works and I went through the litany; doctor's comment was, "well, you've certainly studied your pharmacy." I told him neither my regular MD, nor he, nor I was right, that Dr. Wife obviously knew better than us all.
So yesterday, left with the choice of taking the xanax five minutes before treatment (same effect as not taking it at all) or not taking the RT, I cancelled the RT.
I cancelled for today, too, but I'm going to see the doctor. No one is going to give me a fast-acting injectable anxiolytic for self-admin; the cancer center doesn't do that themselves; even if I could hide the drugs, I couldn't hide the purchases; and no one can say I didn't try RT without the drugs.
It looks like my only alternative is to try to get placed in their psychiatric ward so I can get to my RT premedicated, so that's what I expect to try to do today. Failing that, I don't know any other alternatives and will have to give up and drop to palliative care and chemo. (IDEAS WELCOME but needed before 2 PM CDT.)
Incidentally, my body is fighting off the chemo as though it was water. My last set of blood counts were normal for a normal average adult my age. Yes, that's red cells, white cells, the whole shootin' match. No nausea, only hair loss is that my beard growth stopped where the radiation hits it. I had kind of expected the chemo to be what took care of the lymph node involvement, but the nodes I know about are still about the same size they were before I started chemo.
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Chris Ness - 23 Jul 2005 01:24 GMT >>>> Just wanted you to know I was thinking of you. By now it is starting to >>>> get rough. It does get better, I promise. Are you still eating? [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > walk around a lot to help get whatever xanax I could into my system, > so this incident wasn't much worse than normal. OK, I know this is alt.cancer.SUPPORT, but Clifto someone needs to take you and shake some sense into you. This ain't a game we are playing. This is DEAD serious. Since I started my RT in March, I lost two friends to the self-same cancer of the throat that you have and I had. Dead, dead, deadski as Beetleguise would say. Why are you waiting until five minutes before your treatment to take you anti-anxiety meds? It sounds from here like you are deliberately torpedoing any chance of a cure. Yeah, cure. My RT wasn't afraid of that word and it looks like he did was able to "cure" me. So why are you waiting till five minutes before for a drug that peaks at two hours? Why can't you take it in the car or before you leave home? You don't want it to work.
> But the other day we had to rearrange our schedule to take chemo before > RT, and rather than actually doing chemo they just drew blood samples. > So we had two hours between the time we left the chemo place and the > time RT would start. Steph, maybe there was an advantage to my Amifostine. I never had to wait for RT. When I showed up, it was to the front of the line. And maybe the required anti-nausea shot might have helped Clifto's angst.
> Now, if you check your PDR, you'll find that xanax reaches maximum > absorption into the body at around two hours, so this was perfect for [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > minutes before treatment and I was fine, so five minutes is enough. So > we wasted time while I anticipated the horror machine. Time spent arguing is time absorbing. And is it the machine you are afraid of? All this time you have been saying it was the mask. In any event it beats painful death - get over it.
> I went to treatment and told the people I was completely unmedicated, > and in extreme fear. They assured me about their intercom (through > which I've already seen they can't hear speech at normal volume) and > told me they'd keep a special watch on me. Then they strapped me down > and began twenty-four hours of absolute torture. "twenty-four hours"??? Mine was eleven minutes of radiation spread over about twenty minutes. And yes the radiation scared me. But the day I can't control myself and behave for twenty minutes is the day I should be ashamed to say I am an adult.
> I have nearly no voice at this point, and at that point all I could > muster was a whisper. I must have scream-whispered "please stop!" [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > I could think to do was to grab things tightly and pull with all my > might to help relieve the tension. I think your hypnotism was a failure. Had you been able to reason, you would have known that this RT is what stands between your life and your death and you would cooperate and assist rather that panic and fight. How old are you anyway?
> Once they unsnapped the eleventh snap (I count) I did my best to get > off that table and onto the nice, solid floor. Two or three of the [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > before treatment (same effect as not taking it at all) or not taking > the RT, I cancelled the RT. Still waiting till five minutes before to take the medicine that you know reaches peak efficiency at two hours. Sounds like sabotage to me. ...
> It looks like my only alternative is to try to get placed in their > psychiatric ward so I can get to my RT premedicated, so that's what > I expect to try to do today. ... You were being flip, but your self-destructive behavior may indeed qualify you.
> Incidentally, my body is fighting off the chemo as though it was water. > My last set of blood counts were normal for a normal average adult my [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > care of the lymph node involvement, but the nodes I know about are > still about the same size they were before I started chemo. I think you misunderstand the chemo. As my Onc explained it to my the RT does the work, the chemo is to prevent re-establishment by denying the establishment of a circulatory support network for mets. (Did I explain that right j? Steph?) So it sounds to me like you are wasting the chemo if you aren't going to do the RT correctly.
Again, I know this is a.c.support. But support doesn't just mean <<<Hugggs>>> it means getting you through the treatment and curing the cancer.
J - 23 Jul 2005 03:14 GMT > > I went to treatment and told the people I was completely unmedicated, > > and in extreme fear. They assured me about their intercom (through > > which I've already seen they can't hear speech at normal volume) and > > told me they'd keep a special watch on me. Then they strapped me down > > and began twenty-four hours of absolute torture. Either that was a typo or I think he meant "what felt like 24 hours of ...."
> "twenty-four hours"??? Mine was eleven minutes of radiation spread over > about twenty minutes. And yes the radiation scared me. But the day I can't > control myself and behave for twenty minutes is the day I should be ashamed > to say I am an adult. I'm not sure I understand the wifey situation. If she's contributing to stress before the treatment, maybe someone else can drive him there. J
clifto - 23 Jul 2005 05:05 GMT [lots of stuff, with one misunderstanding]
>> It's nothing like that, Chris. It has to do with my fear of the radiation >> machine and my wife's hysteria over the anxiolytics I take to endure it. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > as Beetleguise would say. Why are you waiting until five minutes before > your treatment to take you anti-anxiety meds? The chemo people suggested it would be better if I did not take benzodiazepines before chemotherapy. So the day the chemo people released me at 2:54 PM and I was due in the RT machine at 3:00 PM, I took my meds at 2:55 PM, five minutes before RT. Again, in that case the nice people at the RT center put someone else first, giving me twenty more minutes or so to drink lots of water and walk around a lot to get a little of the stuff into my system.
When I have my druthers, I take the xanax anywhere from one to two hours before the time of my appointment (giving me another 15-30 minutes before they're ready to put me into the machine). Then I have 1-1/2 to 2-1/2 hours to absorb, which is about optimal absorption time. Most common timing: wife calls me at 1:30 to tell me she's on the way to pick me up to take me, I take my xanax, we hit the ca center at 3:00 and I'm in the machine at 3:10 with 1:40 for the xanax to hit center.
The problem occurred on the day we got out of chemo at 12:00 and weren't due for RT until 3:00. I went to take my xanax at 12:05 and wife went nuts. Even though that would have put me within the zone of maximum effect during RT, wife decided I could not have the drugs because I was just using them to get high. I could take them five minutes before being put into the machine, at 2:55, because that seemed to her to work the last time. So I decided the drugs were going to be a problem from now on, and tried to bluster my way through one RT session without any medication, and went unnoticed as I begged during the full session -- hundreds if not thousands of times -- to be let out of the machine.
> I think you misunderstand the chemo. As my Onc explained it to my the RT > does the work, the chemo is to prevent re-establishment by denying the > establishment of a circulatory support network for mets. (Did I explain > that right j? Steph?) So it sounds to me like you are wasting the chemo if > you aren't going to do the RT correctly. The way it was explained to me, chemo attacks cells that reproduce fastest in the body. Cancer cells reproduce at a fantastic rate. But so do hair cells, blood cells, and other such desirable cells as are badly affected by chemo. And yes, I do believe the chemo is pretty weak without the RT. I believe both doctors told me that both RT and chemo were to work on the lymph nodes, but both together gave more than the sum of the effects of each individually.
And now for the results of the day's work. Wife and I can't come to any agreement on the management and/or administration of the drugs, hospital can't help. The poor doctor (God bless him for putting up with me this long) quite willingly gave me the name of a psychiatrist to consult, to see if commitment might be possible to force treatment under supervision, but he wasn't very encouraging about making that sound likely.
Even if I could say "fsck you" to a woman I've loved for over 28 years, I'd have no place to live and certainly no way to pay the thousands of dollars in co-pays and miscellaneous fees to come.
So at present I'm in hell, waiting to see whether I go by myocardial infarction caused by ultraphobic fright, or by cancer. I'm not the least bit suicidal, so there goes the stupidest of the solutions. And my heart is probably too strong to take me out during one of the torture sessions. So basically I get thirty-odd more torture sessions, followed by tests to see if I need any more torture sessions, lather, rinse, repeat until I kill the cancer or it kills me.
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J - 23 Jul 2005 20:26 GMT > The chemo people suggested it would be better if I did not take > benzodiazepines before chemotherapy. First I've heard of that, (but maybe they already give you some, or something similar) as an antinausea with your chemo? It's on the list there. <http://www.nccn.org/patients/patient_gls/_english/_nausea_and_vomiting/4_treatme nt.asp>
> The poor doctor (God bless him for putting up with me this > long) quite willingly gave me the name of a psychiatrist to consult, to > see if commitment might be possible to force treatment under > supervision, but he wasn't very encouraging about making that sound > likely. Probably worth talking to a psychiatrist about how you've coped in the past and how you're coping now. perhaps (s)he'll have some suggestions. Unfortunately negative self talk is so powerful that it can lead to lack of self confidence and depression and possibly worsen your panic attacks. People can learn negative talk from their environment or even their parents (one or the other). it becomes a "shoot oneself in the foot" pattern.
If you can't find any other method to help, I highly recommend regularly attending a weekly group called Recovery, Inc. If you're in ILL, there's a list here http://www.recovery-inc.com/meetings/midwest.html#illinois call the number there first to make sure the locations and times/days are still valid. I think they'll have seen persons who've coped the way you do. All it would take, I think, is for you to talk once or twice; then listen to the others and how they've coped; what worked and what made things worse. Give it a try at least for a month or so. J
J - 23 Jul 2005 02:42 GMT > So yesterday, left with the choice of taking the xanax five minutes > before treatment (same effect as not taking it at all) or not taking [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > alternatives and will have to give up and drop to palliative care > and chemo. (IDEAS WELCOME but needed before 2 PM CDT.) Maybe you need a longer acting medication like Klonopin as long as there's someone to drive you there and home.
> Incidentally, my body is fighting off the chemo as though it was water. > My last set of blood counts were normal for a normal average adult my > age. Yes, that's red cells, white cells, the whole shootin' match. That varies and/or kicks in much later.
> No nausea, only hair loss is that my beard growth stopped where the > radiation hits it. I had kind of expected the chemo to be what took > care of the lymph node involvement, but the nodes I know about are > still about the same size they were before I started chemo. I think RT reduces the size of the lymph nodes and the chemo is synergenic with the RT to mop up micromets. (but don't quote me). J
Chris Ness - 23 Jul 2005 02:57 GMT > I think RT reduces the size of the lymph nodes and the chemo is synergenic > with the RT to mop up micromets. (but don't quote me). That matches what my oncologist told me. I think he said something about an acidic environment (?)surpressing the formation of blood vessels.
Alayne - 22 Jul 2005 08:24 GMT > > Just wanted you to know I was thinking of you. By now it is starting to get > > rough. It does get better, I promise. Are you still eating? > > Long story, but it looks like my wife is going to be a big obstacle to > recovery and I'll be dropping to palliative care. Story later when I can > muster the words. Clifto,
Sorry that you are having such a rough time, I've big shoulders if you want to lean on them and ears willing to listen.
Warm Hugs
Alayne
Chris Ness - 29 Jul 2005 00:20 GMT >> Just wanted you to know I was thinking of you. By now it is starting to >> get rough. It does get better, I promise. Are you still eating? > > Long story, but it looks like my wife is going to be a big obstacle to > recovery and I'll be dropping to palliative care. Story later when I can > muster the words. OK, another week has gone by. How are you doing? Are you back in treatment? What's the count and how are you feeling?
clifto - 29 Jul 2005 05:30 GMT >>> Just wanted you to know I was thinking of you. By now it is starting to >>> get rough. It does get better, I promise. Are you still eating? [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > OK, another week has gone by. How are you doing? Are you back in treatment? > What's the count and how are you feeling? I've been promising myself to get to that. Short form: I'm back in RT now. Long form: wife and I had a BIG argument during which it was decided that *I*, not she, is the resident authority on drugs in our house (only by dint of study, no education), and her only recourse to anything she thinks I have wrong is to get the official word from a medical professional, of which we have at least three readily available. Result: there will be no more "xanax works in five minutes" arguments.
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Socks - 29 Jul 2005 06:24 GMT > I've been promising myself to get to that. Short form: I'm back in RT > now. Long form: wife and I had a BIG argument during which it was [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > available. Result: there will be no more "xanax works in five minutes" > arguments. that one can really suck sometimes. drugs work differently on different people. they even work differently on the same person at different times. the detailed notes they're keeping on my meds especially the pain ones are truly amazing. you need a third person studying reactions minute to minute after you take the meds and log the results. you establish a pattern and then treat to the pattern.
My Aunt Ruth is keeping the notes on me and she is a trained professional. The hospice folks pay careful attention to her observations of my reactions and use then to adjust what i take and when i take it. even on different nights we tweak what i take and when i take it. she's noticed differences between what reactions i remember having and what she sees me having sometimes, and we have to decide reality vs imagination on occasion.
stick to your guns clifto.
Emily - 29 Jul 2005 10:56 GMT agent01413@my-deja.com said...
> My Aunt Ruth is keeping the notes on me and she is a trained professional. Glad to see you're still with us. How're you doing?
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Socks - 29 Jul 2005 12:53 GMT > agent01413@my-deja.com said... >> My Aunt Ruth is keeping the notes on me and she is a trained >> professional. >> > Glad to see you're still with us. How're you doing? ready to bail, but good for a few more days me thinks
Emily - 29 Jul 2005 13:25 GMT agent01413@my-deja.com said...
> > agent01413@my-deja.com said... > >> My Aunt Ruth is keeping the notes on me and she is a trained [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > ready to bail, but good for a few more days me thinks Will some {{{{{hugs}}}}} help? This fat lady ain't ready to sing just yet.
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Socks - 29 Jul 2005 14:31 GMT > agent01413@my-deja.com said... >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Will some {{{{{hugs}}}}} help? This fat lady ain't ready to sing just > yet. she better be ready to sing. we're having lunch tomorrow. I have a specific fat lady from the colorado opera all lined up and exercising her vocal chords
Sinead - 29 Jul 2005 18:51 GMT >> agent01413@my-deja.com said... >>> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > fat lady from the colorado opera all lined up and exercising her vocal > chords Have a fantastic weekend Socks - I hope your lady sings for you. Be sure to come back and tell us all about it!
Love to you and Figs Sinead
turtill@hotmail.com - 31 Jul 2005 05:11 GMT >> agent01413@my-deja.com said... >>> My Aunt Ruth is keeping the notes on me and she is a trained [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >ready to bail, but good for a few more days me thinks I picked up a story on the underground press in the UK that somebody is planning a move to impeach Dubya Socks. I don't know how long it will be before the news breaks officially. pete
Saleh Jambo - 31 Jul 2005 15:00 GMT Hello Peter my friend. I also picked up a story that you are a pathalogical and persistant liar, inventing foul lies about people and then posting them on newsgroups. God Bless
>>> agent01413@my-deja.com said... >>>> My Aunt Ruth is keeping the notes on me and she is a trained [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > will be before the news breaks officially. > pete bj - 29 Jul 2005 15:12 GMT >> Result: there will be no more "xanax works in five minutes" >> arguments. > > that one can really suck sometimes. drugs work differently on different > people. they even work differently on the same person at different times. Doncha just hate it when they give you the "this should be/should have been enough" ("& that's all for now") routine.... (& I wasn't having chronic or cancer related pain -- but I sure knew I *hurt* even if they said I "shouldn't") bj
Socks - 29 Jul 2005 21:12 GMT >>> Result: there will be no more "xanax works in five minutes" >>> arguments. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > *hurt* even if they said I "shouldn't") > bj thats my situation right now. the hospice nurse just came by the house. we need to up my meds yet again to get things under control. when 80mg isnt enough you know there's a problem. happily, they accept that sometimes the dosage has to increase, and they wont mess around with the would have / should have theories. it helps that we're keeping better than average records on what i'm taking. no guess work. no lapsed memory of what i took when.
the methadone tabs are the size of necco waifers now and arent yet doing the trick. so now they look at the next size up one supposes.
party tomorrow. let's hope that the ice cream doesnt all melt.
bj - 30 Jul 2005 18:27 GMT >> Doncha just hate it when they give you the "this should be/should have >> been enough" ("& that's all for now") routine.... [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > party tomorrow. let's hope that the ice cream doesnt all melt. I'm glad you're getting the help you need -- and that they don't give you a lot of guff about it.
I hope you enjoy the party. Even melted ice cream can be quite tasty! bj
Socks - 31 Jul 2005 04:34 GMT >> the methadone tabs are the size of necco waifers now and arent yet >> doing the trick. so now they look at the next size up one supposes. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > I hope you enjoy the party. Even melted ice cream can be quite tasty! > bj good time had by all. film at 11
clifto - 31 Jul 2005 03:00 GMT > the methadone tabs are the size of necco waifers now and arent yet doing > the trick. so now they look at the next size up one supposes. Hey, wait until you see the dinner-plate size ("swallow whole, do not chew") and the alternative 6" diameter suppository.
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clifto - 31 Jul 2005 02:58 GMT >>> Result: there will be no more "xanax works in five minutes" >>> arguments. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > (& I wasn't having chronic or cancer related pain -- but I sure knew I > *hurt* even if they said I "shouldn't") Well, there *is* a point beyond which they can't take the chance of being discovered and accused of malpractice. My good ol' family practitioner didn't want to go beyond 10 mg valium tabs, knowing all the other goodies I had at my disposal. But yes, some of these jokers who believe the bell curve of dosage vs. effectiveness is half a hill on the left and a direct drop to flatline on the right are just too stupid for words.
I mentioned my anesthesia incident years back. I was busily trying to inform my doctor of medical facts he NEEDED to know, and he was busily ignoring me and telling me how my smoking was going to affect me soooo badly after surgery that I'd be uncomfortable for weeks. So he followed his own ignorant, uneducated, opinionated method and got punched several times for his efforts.
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turtill@hotmail.com - 31 Jul 2005 05:23 GMT >>>> Result: there will be no more "xanax works in five minutes" >>>> arguments. [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] >his own ignorant, uneducated, opinionated method and got punched several >times for his efforts. That made me laugh and I lost the serious point you were making for a moment;-) I really cannot understand the fear of addiction to something such as Xanax or Valium when they are only being taken occasionally. Some folks seem to have a real hang up about addictions to just about anything. pete
Saleh Jambo - 31 Jul 2005 15:02 GMT Peter Turtill my friend. Why do you continue to post here when you told everyone you would not do so any more? Everyone here knows you are a scumbag that abuses people and posts lies about people to deliberateley hurt them. Or are you grooming them to accept you before you begin posting lies about them ?
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>>>>> Result: there will be no more "xanax works in five minutes" >>>>> arguments. [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > to just about anything. > pete Chris Ness - 29 Jul 2005 23:22 GMT > I've been promising myself to get to that. Short form: I'm back in RT now. > Long form: wife and I had a BIG argument during which it was decided that [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > which we have at least three readily available. Result: there will be no > more "xanax works in five minutes" arguments. Attaboy Clifto!
Now I am going to dash your hopes and lift them at the same time. A lot of the reason I have been trying to keep you from being scared of the procedure is that the procedure is not the bad part. As you are starting to find, the cooking of you is the bad part. Have your onc provide you with Loritab and magic mouthwash. And use them when you think it's going to hurt - before it does. It will stop in various stages. The pain and sloughing will start getting better about ten days after the radiation stops. At that period you probably won't feel like getting out of bed. Don't. You don't have to. You won't have the energy to burn anyway. How is your eating? If your onc suggests a PEG tube, go with it. Not only don't you have to swallow, you can feed yourself on a schedule since you won't be hungry. You have to keep that caloric intake up. I am now twelve weeks out of radiation and it is getting to be time to return to solid feeding. Actually I have been breaking into solid feeding for six weeks using the PEG as a boost. I can mostly swallow alright except for lettucey things and meat or chicken that I chew too much and make fibery which I need to push down. Still no saliva to speak of and taste is all screwed up (that'll be another communicque) I lost five more pounds this month So I didn't take enough liquid food or real food. e always spitting yet? I stopped constantly spitting at about eight weeks, but the worst of that was probably over at four weeks. The onc rented for me a suction machine. during the treatment and I returned it at eight weeks after not using it for ages. Mostly I used it during the time I was in the car going and coming from treatments and that fist two weeks after. Now I just spit foam first thing after waking up and occasionally during the day. Drinking water helps that. But the good part is that every day you'll feel better until it becomes a distant memory and the onc says your PET scan is clear come back in four months.
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