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mark (sixstringtheoryDOTcom) - 27 May 2005 04:49 GMT Anyone here have any experience with this drug? Today, prior to her second infusion of chemo, the chemo nurse stated that her hemoglobin was a 10 and that that is low. She spoke with mom's doctor and they decided to go forward with an injection of aranesp, a red blood cell inducer that apparently will give an energy boost.
I've read the press releases and general info on the web. I was just wondering if anyone here's seen it/felt it actually work. It's like Procrit but newer and only is taken once (via injection) every 3 weeks (at least in my mom's case). Apparently it is very expensive, which I didn't know until a web search revealed that some scumbag pro cyclists like to use it for endurance runs. Illegally of course.
TIA
mark
J - 27 May 2005 10:05 GMT > Anyone here have any experience with this drug? Today, prior to her > second infusion of chemo, the chemo nurse stated that her hemoglobin was [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > didn't know until a web search revealed that some scumbag pro cyclists > like to use it for endurance runs. Illegally of course. Good to hear from you, mark. I was worried about your mother. I would have to check the archives of this newsgroup as to "low blood counts" for previous comments from Steph or Mike R and/or perhaps they will comment too. Actually, seems to me that the breast cancer posters recently said that once it got that low, that only time "off chemo" could potentially help the situation. (which is essentially what Mike posted to your last post).
Douglas (as I recall) had lung cancer and was taking Neupogen and Ana's father (myeloma) was trying Procrit, followed by Arnesp. It's been quite a while, since we've heard from either of them.
Keep in touch mark. We're here for you. J
mark (sixstringtheoryDOTcom) - 28 May 2005 05:49 GMT > Good to hear from you, mark. > I was worried about your mother. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Keep in touch mark. We're here for you. > J Hi J. Mom had her first appointment with her oncologists on Thursday since leaving the hospital a couple of weeks ago. We/they believe the problems she had were due to her not drinking enough fluids. She was/is living with my brother, and he and his wife work and so my mom would sleep all day/night, and unfortunately no one in that house understood the importance of drinking fluids throughout the day. Her first chemo infusion made this even worse, as her kidneys slowed down to a stop and, well, that week was a flat out nightmare.
Since getting out of the hospital she's been much better, but tired all day as usual. Her medications were stopped almost completely while in the hospital because they weren't sure if the medications she was on was causing all of the problems she had. Since leaving the hospital they changed her medications, and she seems to be in much better shape day by day. For example, prior to going into the hospital, she was on 90mg of MS Contin slow release per day, along with numerous breakthrough pills of 15mg instant release morphine. Since leaving the hospital she is on 30mg of MS Contin and takes one, and maybe a second, MSIR. That's it. She feels much better too. We have no idea what to attribute this to yet.
So yesterday we went to see her oncologists. My mom was very worried that they would not go forward with her second chemo infusion. One of the reasons I've not posted much in this NG is that the consensus opinion from many seems to be just give up, it's hopeless, hospice is the way to go, etc. My mom wants none of that. She had been in great pain for many months, so the thought of not doing treatment was not an option for her. It's amazing to me how unlucky she is, when I walk into fox chase cancer center with her and most of the folks there look like they're totally pain/symptom free. Unfortunately my mom does not have that type of cancer. But today, a day after her second infusion, she's feeling the best she has in months. We're hoping her comfort level increases.
Her doctors were a bit iffy about putting her through the chemo. They asked a lot of questions of her. In the end, they said they feel she should go ahead with the infusion as planned. They also scheduled a CT scan in 2 weeks to "see if you are benefitting from this before we put you through even more" (or something to that effect). So we'll see on June 6th whether her cancer has been reduced due to the chemo.
One of the big problems she's been having has been blood pressure. Lately it has been very low. Prior to the cancer she was (and still is) on hi bp medications. They scaled those back. I believe that is probably what is making her feel better as well. Also, they started the Aranesp, so maybe that will give her more energy in time. I was hoping she might get something like Procrit, and it appears that Aranesp is a newer/better procrit. We'll see.
All in all, things are looking much better and I hope she continues to improve. She is staying at my place through the weekend as she knows there is always someone here (my wife and 2 young kids are here during the day) so if she gets very sick like she did the last time someone will look after her. She's been, at my request, drinking tons of fluids - water, gatorade, orange juice (she said she loves orange juice all of a sudden...). I don't have to remind her to drink though - she doesn't want what happened the last time to happen again. If it does, they'll surely stop the treatments, and she is very afraid of that.
Mom still believes that a miracle is going to happen and she'll somehow beat this cancer. I guess I hope for it too. I'm well aware of the statistics. But there's always hope. A fellow in the waiting room at fox chase yesterday was walking around beaming and bragging about how his tumors have almost shrunk to nothing. From stage IV. He was practically kissing every doctor/nurse he could see there. They were joking with him that they're going to get a tv crew in there to get him on tv for the commercials. There's always hope I suppose.
SO the next few days are critical. If mom's condition somehow starts deteriorating over the next few days, she'll have some decisions to make for sure in regards to treatment going forward. I'm sure though that her doctors will make it for her - to stop it. I am optimistic and hopeful that that won't happen. I'll let you know.
mark
J - 28 May 2005 19:28 GMT > Hi J. Mom had her first appointment with her oncologists on Thursday > since leaving the hospital a couple of weeks ago. We/they believe the [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > infusion made this even worse, as her kidneys slowed down to a stop and, > well, that week was a flat out nightmare. Hi Mark, I forgot that it was her first infusion. (my apology) Yes, the blood counts often drop low. Did they not give a handout to your mother or brother about hydration/drinking water?
> Since getting out of the hospital she's been much better, but tired all > day as usual. Her medications were stopped almost completely while in [quoted text clipped - 53 lines] > that they're going to get a tv crew in there to get him on tv for the > commercials. There's always hope I suppose. Hard to know. We've had some happy outcomes with Lymphoma. Frank aka stew comes to mind. I can't remember his stage at diagnosis. Right now, he's probably out there celebrating life.
> SO the next few days are critical. If mom's condition somehow starts > deteriorating over the next few days, she'll have some decisions to make > for sure in regards to treatment going forward. I'm sure though that her > doctors will make it for her - to stop it. I am optimistic and hopeful > that that won't happen. I'll let you know. Mark, Statistics are one thing; gut feelings are another; experience is another; Steph's experienced with various cancers/stages. I've got the benefit of hearing from him and we both have the experience of reading this newsgroup for many years. We can only go from the details that you give us. I went back up the posts and read every one of yours and some of our replies. I think all that can be said has been said.
If she feels better on chemo, than off, that's good enough for me. I know you and the doctors and your brother and family are doing the best you all can to help your mother in her goal. That's all any of us can do, is be supportive.
I expect there's others reading, who are also pulling for your mother. Keep in touch because I truly do care. Sending warm hugs to everyone involved. J
irishfolker - 27 May 2005 13:58 GMT > Anyone here have any experience with this drug? Today, prior to her > second infusion of chemo, the chemo nurse stated that her hemoglobin was [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > mark My wife has been getting Aranesp every 2 weeks while undergoing chemo with Gemzar and Xeloda. Her red counts were low at the start of the chemo regimen and have not gotten any lower. They haven't really climbed significantly, but the last time was the highest they have been since the start of chemo. I think it works but who can tell for sure?
Good luck to you and your mom.
Jeff
mark (sixstringtheoryDOTcom) - 28 May 2005 05:51 GMT > My wife has been getting Aranesp every 2 weeks while undergoing chemo > with Gemzar and Xeloda. Her red counts were low at the start of the [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Jeff Thanks Jeff. We were told by the chemo nurse that there should be no side effects for this drug for my mom, so she was all for it. Main thing is burning when injected, but my mom had it injected into her stomach and said it wasn't bad at all. We'll see how it works out.
Thanks,
mark
J - 28 May 2005 12:27 GMT > > My wife has been getting Aranesp every 2 weeks while undergoing chemo > > with Gemzar and Xeloda. Her red counts were low at the start of the [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > is burning when injected, but my mom had it injected into her stomach > and said it wasn't bad at all. We'll see how it works out. Well, risks and side effects are mentioned, so while I'm in this thread, i'll post to you and archive the following.
http://my.webmd.com/content/article/99/105232 Looks like some were giving too high a dose before. January 14, 2005 FDA Urges Doctors Not to Exceed Approved Doses of Drug That Treats Side Effect of Chemotherapy Two recent studies with other drugs in the same class of Aranesp, known as erythropoietic drugs, have shown that using the drugs at higher-than-recommended doses increases the risk of adverse effects including blood clots and death. Although the studies were conducted with other drugs (Eprex and NeoRecormon), Amgen has incorporated this information into the prescribing information for Aranesp to alert doctors to these potential risks.
Aranesp is approved to treat anemia caused by chemotherapy. Anemia is a common side effect of chemotherapy, which can damage the production of red blood cells. In anemia, the blood is lacking in healthy red blood cells, which transport oxygen to organs.
Doctors often use hemoglobin levels to help determine how much of the drug is needed to treat the anemia. Hemoglobin is the oxygen-carrying protein in red blood cells. The prescribing information for Aranesp indicates that the target hemoglobin level should not exceed 12 g/dL.
In these studies, doctors used higher doses of the drug to achieve hemoglobin levels of greater than 12 g/dL, which subsequently increased the risk of blood clots and death. []
I sure hope nothing like that happened to one of ours here. And that all oncologists are aware of this.
http://www.drugs.com/aranesp.html Aranesp is a man-made form of a naturally occurring protein called erythropoietin. Erythropoietin is produced in the kidney and stimulates the production of red blood cells. The amount of erythropoietin in the body may be diminished when the kidneys are damaged. Medications may also decrease the number of red blood cells. Aranesp is used to treat anemia by stimulating red blood cell production.
Aranesp may also be used for purposes other than those listed in this medication guide.
What should I discuss with my healthcare provider before using Aranesp? Before using this medication, tell your doctor if you have · high blood pressure; · heart disease; · epilepsy or another seizure disorder; or · cancer. You may not be able to use Aranesp, or you may require a dosage adjustment or special monitoring if you have any of the conditions listed above. What are the possible side effects of Aranesp? If you experience any of the following serious side effects, stop using Aranesp and seek emergency medical treatment or contact your doctor immediately: · an allergic reaction (difficulty breathing; closing the throat; swelling of the lips, tongue, or face; or hives); · seizures; · stroke; or · heart problems (chest pain, shortness of breath, fluid retention, irregular heartbeats). Other, less serious side effects may be more likely to occur. Continue to use Aranesp and talk to your doctor if you experience · increased blood pressure; · headache; · tiredness; · dizziness; · nausea, vomiting, or diarrhea; · muscle or joint aches; · fever; · shortness of breath or coughing; or · redness, swelling, or itching at injection site. Side effects other than those listed here may also occur. Talk to your doctor about any side effect that seems unusual or that is especially bothersome.[]
HTH mark. J
irishfolker - 31 May 2005 02:00 GMT > Thanks Jeff. We were told by the chemo nurse that there should be no > side effects for this drug for my mom, so she was all for it. Main thing [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > mark If they give the Aranesp slowly, it doesn't burn. Takes a lot of patience though.
BYW, can I assume from your handle that you play guitar?
Jeff
mark (sixstringtheoryDOTcom) - 31 May 2005 03:09 GMT > If they give the Aranesp slowly, it doesn't burn. Takes a lot of > patience though. They gave it via injection to the stomach. The nurse said it burns less and is more effective. I wasn't there when she got it, but my mom didn't mention it burning so I assume it went fine.
> BYW, can I assume from your handle that you play guitar? Yes. Check out my website! : )
mark www.sixstringtheory.com
> Jeff J - 28 May 2005 19:46 GMT > > Anyone here have any experience with this drug? Today, prior to her > > second infusion of chemo, the chemo nurse stated that her hemoglobin was [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > climbed significantly, but the last time was the highest they have been > since the start of chemo. I think it works but who can tell for sure? Back on Xeloda now and still reduced dosage? Just a month to go now eh, Jeff? Good luck to you and Bonnie from J
irishfolker - 31 May 2005 02:04 GMT > since the start of chemo. I think it works but who can tell for sure? > > Back on Xeloda now and still reduced dosage? > Just a month to go now eh, Jeff? > Good luck to you and Bonnie from > J Thanks, J. We're hanging in there.
Jeff
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