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father in law update (from Sharon)

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Sharon - 26 May 2005 04:39 GMT
He has stomach cancer, and it has spread.  We really don't know how far it's
gone, he hasn't  had surgery yet.  That will come in a week.  My husband
Mike and I are both in great shock.  We were hoping for something else.  He
continues to lose weight.  He's down to only 100 lbs. now, and continues to
vomit several times a day.

I will write more about where all it's gone and what his prognosis (the
doctor already said it looks pretty bad for him) is when I find out.

Sadly,
Sharon

Thanks J for your constant support each time I post, it means more than I
could ever tell you in words.
J - 26 May 2005 08:08 GMT
> He has stomach cancer, and it has spread.  We really don't know how far it's
> gone, he hasn't  had surgery yet.  That will come in a week.  My husband
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> Thanks J for your constant support each time I post, it means more than I
> could ever tell you in words.

I"m sorry to hear that, Sharon.
Please read this section
<http://www.cancerbacup.org.uk/Cancertype/Stomach/Treatment/Chemotherapy>
The main point to remember is that chemotherapy plays a very limited role in
stomach cancer, especially since he's doing so poorly.
( ( ( Sharon and Mike and FIL ) ) )
J
Alayne - 26 May 2005 08:09 GMT
> He has stomach cancer, and it has spread.  We really don't know how far it's
> gone, he hasn't  had surgery yet.  That will come in a week.  My husband
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> Thanks J for your constant support each time I post, it means more than I
> could ever tell you in words.

Hello Sharon,

I am so sorry to hear the news about your father-in-law and understand your
shock.

Hang in there and take each day as it comes.

Warm Hugs

Alayne
Troy Bishop - 28 May 2005 21:38 GMT
I am so sorry to hear that your father in law is doing so poorly.  Is there
anti-nausea medicine that they can give him?  Can they put him on IV or
other intra-venous liquids to help him from losing the weight?

I will pray for you.

Troy Bishop

> He has stomach cancer, and it has spread.  We really don't know how far
> it's gone, he hasn't  had surgery yet.  That will come in a week.  My
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> Thanks J for your constant support each time I post, it means more than I
> could ever tell you in words.
Sharon - 29 May 2005 00:43 GMT
>I am so sorry to hear that your father in law is doing so poorly.  Is there
>anti-nausea medicine that they can give him?  Can they put him on IV or
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>> Thanks J for your constant support each time I post, it means more than I
>> could ever tell you in words.

They put in a feeding tube in him today to get his weight up.  They say they
can't even begin to think about any sort of treatment while he is so weak.
The feeding tube has seemed to help him feel better.  What or if they will
treat him will depend on more testing, to see how much it has spread.  I am
not a big fan of treating someone who will only get sicker from the
treatment.  If it were me, I would want pain control and quality of life I
had left, and not to spend what time I had very sick from treatments. And I
do mean if *I* were in that position.  I would never judge anyone who wanted
to try no matter what.

Thanks for your reply,
Sharon
J - 29 May 2005 02:28 GMT
> > "Sharon" <jmmorgann1987n@anywhereusa.com> wrote in message
> >> He has stomach cancer, and it has spread.  We really don't know how far
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> treatment.  If it were me, I would want pain control and quality of life I
> had left, and not to spend what time I had very sick from treatments.

I'm glad they're helping him to eat, Sharon.
That must be a comfort.
What does your father in law want?  Get him alone (no doctors or anyone putting
pressure on him about surgeries or treatments) and talk with him, and listen
carefully to his wishes.
Many hugs
J
Sharon - 29 May 2005 05:02 GMT
>> > "Sharon" <jmmorgann1987n@anywhereusa.com> wrote in message
>> >> He has stomach cancer, and it has spread.  We really don't know how
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> Many hugs
> J

And many hugs back to you as well J.  Thank you for your never ending
support.  I have discussed with my father in law what his wishes are.  His
wish is to be treated to the full extent.  He said the treatment will either
kill the cancer, or kill him.  He just wants every option that can be taken
to be tried.  So we will back him, and know in our hearts that he might
change his mind if he gets even sicker than he is now.  My husband and I
rehab baby orphaned birds.  It is tiresome, feeding babies every 15 minutes,
but something I love.  That has to be put on hold now, and I had to give my
babies up to another wild bird re-habber.  We have to take turns at the
hospital.  I can tell you I am feeling very overwhelmed, taking care of my
own parents, my baby birds, and now this.  I am a former anorexic, and I am
feeling that out of control feeling again.  I just have to make sure I don't
slip back into not eating, just to have control of something.  I promise you
I will give it my best shot, and somehow manage to take care of everyone,
including myself.  It helps to be able to come here and get support, from
those who understand.  I will keep you informed with his condition as it
happens.

My best to you,
Sharon
J - 30 May 2005 00:19 GMT
> And many hugs back to you as well J.  Thank you for your never ending
> support.  I have discussed with my father in law what his wishes are.  His
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> those who understand.  I will keep you informed with his condition as it
> happens.

Hi Sharon,
Just to review, so the others know, he's 59 years old, an alcoholic and a
3-pack/day smoker who had bleeding and a blockage was discovered. He's lost a
lot of weight; I don't know what his originall weight was; but 8 pounds in 10
days is a lot.

We have to respect his wishes. All you can do is be supportive, which does not
necessarily mean going to the hospital every day. I know what's that like and it
can sure tucker a person out.   I realize that you have to "be there" (ie
supportive, listening, caring) for your husband; but with your other parental
responsibilities; is there someone else in the family that can take some of the
responsibility of his father on them? Take turns at the hospital?

Perhaps the investigations will reveal more. Or perhaps they'll have to do
exploratory surgery. I don't know if he can survive that, but if that's his
wish; perhaps it's for the best that he know exactly which cancer that he has.

Trust yourself, Sharon. Don't let this pull you down too. If you cannot do it
all or you start swinging out of control, insist that some caregiving be hired
for his recovery at home and possible ongoing chemo treatments.  There's only so
much that one human can do.  I think you'll know the right time to discuss this
with your husband.  If they cannot afford it, perhaps he's best in hospital (if
it's covered).

Above all, every night, tell yourself, no matter what you do (or don't) that you
are doing the best you can for everyone involved and take care of you first. Get
as much rest as you can.

Thank you for updating us. I appreciate your taking the time.
Many hugs to you all,
J
Sharon - 30 May 2005 03:14 GMT
>> And many hugs back to you as well J.  Thank you for your never ending
>> support.  I have discussed with my father in law what his wishes are.
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> Many hugs to you all,
> J

Hi J,
You are correct about my father in law's history.  However now, he is unable
to smoke, and they have offered him a patch for nicotine if he feels he
needs it.  I stayed the whole night with him.  I suffer from rheumatoid
arthritis, and osteoporosis, due to 17 years of anorexia.  Today when I got
home, I had a high fever.  I discussed how much I would need to stay at the
hospital with my husband Mike, and he has agreed that it would be in both
mine and his best interest if I didn't stay with his father as much, due to
my chronic pain and having to care for my own parents.  I feel pretty sick
now, and am having to use my wheelchair constantly because of the pain.  My
own pain meds aren't working much these days, and I will have to go back to
my doctor to try something else.  Mike and I are also experiencing financial
problems.  I have to say we are also having marriage problems.  I believe he
just gets tired of me having physical problems.  He doesn't say that, but I
can tell.
It is also a pain with this alternative poster here, and I am catching up on
the posts here since filtering that person out.
Thank G-d for you J.  I get very little support from family.  They are in
the mindset that I caused all of my physical problems by being selfish with
my anorexia.  When I am in pain I hear, "well you caused all of that
yourself," etc.
I will take your advice to heart as I always do.  You are very wise and very
comforting.  I can't say thank you enough.

Warmly,
Sharon
J - 30 May 2005 12:25 GMT
> You are correct about my father in law's history.  However now, he is unable
> to smoke, and they have offered him a patch for nicotine if he feels he
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> I will take your advice to heart as I always do.  You are very wise and very
> comforting.  I can't say thank you enough.

Aw Sharon,
I'm sorry for everything you've been going through, but pleased to read that
your husband will take some of the  burden off of you. I'm sorry that your
family is unsympathetic. The damage is done and blame is not helpful.
When an ex-employer used to rant about others he'd say" you're either on my side
or on my back, which is it?"...
In other words, we all pull together to solve this or it takes longer or doesn't
get solved by fighting amongst ourselves.
Another one I've heard is "would you prefer to be right or solve the
relationship problems?".
Wish I'd heard that one years ago (for me, at times, and to say to others).

Let the chips fall, there's not much that can be done at the moment, about the
other issues, during a health crisis such as your FIL's.  Take care of you,
Sharon.
Gentle hugs to you,
J
Troy Bishop - 29 May 2005 03:46 GMT
I can understand your point of view.  I believe I would want the same exact
thing.  Hopefully they can get his weight up a little bit, which I would
think would increase his strength.

Troy Bishop

>>I am so sorry to hear that your father in law is doing so poorly.  Is
>>there anti-nausea medicine that they can give him?  Can they put him on IV
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> Thanks for your reply,
> Sharon
 
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