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Stage 4 Lung Cancer and Debts?

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mark (sixstringtheoryDOTcom) - 07 Apr 2005 03:31 GMT
I've written about in my other posts over the past few weeks that my
mother was diagnosed with stage 4 lung (and stomach) cancer this past
month. She'll be beginning treatment within the next week (we meet with
her doctors tomorrow for a final discussion prior to beginning a
clinical trial).

Today I went with her to the Social Security office to see about filing
a claim to get her her social security benefits early (she's only 56).
Surprisingly, it was a fairly pleasant experience (my mother's pain
notwitstanding). The social worker filed three different claims on
behalf of my mother, and said they would be "expedited", meaning she
would be receiving her payments, and medical coverage, very soon.

In the few weeks now that I've been reading this NG, all discussion has
been about treatment and other medical things in relation to cancer.
Hopefully my question below is not too off-topic, however trivial it
really may be in the grand scheme of things as affected by stage 4 lung
cancer:

My mother has quite a bit of credit card debt (I'm still not sure just
how much, but I will talk with her about it this weekend. I'm guessing
in the $5000 to $8000 range). It is all credit card debt (specifically
department store credit cards I believe). She does have a car loan but
amazingly she purchased a "pay it off if I can't work" type of insurance
policy for the car when she got the loan, and when she called the lender
they told her to not send another payment and that she is covered and
they will be sending out a form for her to fill out.

She'll soon be receiving a monthly social security check of about $1100.
She'll also have medical coverage through either social security or from
the state (welfare) once her employer-sponsored health coverage runs out
in a couple of months. She no longer works due to the pain and 60mg of
morphine she is on.

She has zero in terms of assets. She lives with my brother, so no house.
Her only asset is the car, an inexpensive Hyundai. However she does have
this credit card debt. And she was asking me today what she should do
about it. My brother immediately snapped back that she shouldn't pay
anything, and to just ignore it and let him deal with the creditors who
will be calling his house (where my mom lives). He said he will tolerate
the calls/harassment from them, and will change his phone number as many
times as necessary to evade them.

My mom doesn't feel comfortable doing this. I don't think it's the best
way to approach this either, but am not sure. I searched the web tonight
looking for a "Should I pay debts if terminally ill?" type of website
advice, but can find nothing.

My thinking is that she should be proactive and let the creditors know
that she is terminally ill and that she will not be paying them and
that's that. But as I type that it seems to be a dumb thing to do. I
would gladly pay for my mother to see a lawyer about this and file
bankruptcy, but there are two problems with that: 1. she would never let
me pay for it and I don't think she should spend what little money she
has on it, and 2. I'm guessing she'd have to go to court and put up with
other aggravation, not to mention the creditors calling anyway.

I'll be honest here - I have no concern about the ethical ramifications
of her not paying off the debts to these high interest department store
credit cards. And faced with the decision of whether to spend a good
portion of her monthly fixed income going forward on either the things
she wants to spend it on, or on credit card payments, I know my mother
is looking to do the former.

I'm sorry to bring up such a horrible topic. But she wants advice, and
I'm not quite sure what to do at this point. I will talk to a lawyer
soon regardless, but thought I'd try to get an idea of what other
families in this situation have done and how it turned out for them.

Sincerely,

mark
mark (sixstringtheoryDOTcom) - 07 Apr 2005 03:32 GMT
Not sure if I mentioned it or not in my lengthy original post, but my
mother has no assets whatsoever such as a house (she lives with my
brother).
Alayne - 07 Apr 2005 10:33 GMT
> I've written about in my other posts over the past few weeks that my
> mother was diagnosed with stage 4 lung (and stomach) cancer this past
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>
> mark

Hi Mark,

Good to hear that the visit to the Social Security office went without a
hitch and that your mothers claim is being speeded through.

I don't particularly have a problem discussing financial issues here, in my
opinion it is something that sadly comes with the territory and does have to
be faced.

Your mothers credit cards, that's a tricky one.  Personally if I were in a
similar situation I wouldn't really leave it until people started knocking
on doors but I do understand the need to spend what money is available on
improving the quality of things in life.  How about a compromise?  Perhaps
writing to the credit card companies and explaining that due to illness your
mothers income has drastically been reduced and offering a nominal monthly
re-payment?

It's just a thought.

Warm Hugs

Alayne
Emily - 07 Apr 2005 23:41 GMT
totallyfake@emailaddress.com said...
> How about a compromise?  Perhaps
> writing to the credit card companies and explaining that due to illness your
> mothers income has drastically been reduced and offering a nominal monthly
> re-payment?

That sounds reasonable.  I'd expect at least some of the
creditors to be understanding; however you can't really blame
them if they're not.  Put yourself in their shoes and you
probably wouldn't want to write off too many debts either.

Intentionally failing to pay off the debts amounts to theft in
my book.  Sorry, but you did ask for opinions.
Signature

If you can keep your head when all around are losing theirs...
then you've failed to grasp some important aspect of the
situation.

J - 07 Apr 2005 11:10 GMT
> I've written about in my other posts over the past few weeks that my
> mother was diagnosed with stage 4 lung (and stomach) cancer this past
[quoted text clipped - 64 lines]
> soon regardless, but thought I'd try to get an idea of what other
> families in this situation have done and how it turned out for them.

Continue the minimum payments (so there's no phone harassments) and go see
Fox Chase Social Work
http://www.fccc.edu/clinical/support/social_work.html
Take a list of all her assets, her payments, her insurances(s) - life or
other, her expected living costs, all her debts.
Work out a budget on how to pay off the credit card debt, possibly
consolidate all the credit cards into one.

Cut up the others and don't charge anything in the meantime.
Your brother can cover her current costs, in the meantime and pay for her
"wants".
Sorry to be tough, but she got the credit cards, she's an adult, she used
them.  She benefitted from them with products or services.
J
 
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