I'd like to see this kind of study done on every prescription drug and
see what they come up with.

TC

No, that page does not address this study.
That web site is supported by the dietary
supplements industry, and they do not present
any information which would suggest that
any supplements are unsafe or harmful.

Getting back to Mark Thorsens concern that vitamin E
might promote cancer, there are a number of issues that
don't seem to be addressed. And there are also some
point mentioned that have received play in the thread.

First, the size of the window in which supplemental vitamin E
promotes/permits/spares
the cancer is not clear. Some anticancer medications act as
radiation mimics. Hence, the mechanism by which it induces
apoptosis is by free radical generation. It is evident
an exogneous antioxidant would likely increase the
required dose of the medication require to kill off the cancer.
The conflict maybe mainly during the time of the anitcancer medication use.
The patient would be better perhaps with a more specific antioxidant
likely coenzyme Q-10 which has been shown to prevent the
cardiac damage that often kills treated cancer patients.

Second, the type of vitamin E is an issue. Not the natural
or synthetic or pure versus mixed E but rather the
free versus acetate versus succinate as the last form
the succinate ester has been shown to help
induce apoptosis in cancer. Indeed the choice
of which form of vitamin E to use is so bad that it
suggests that the researchers deliberately choose
a form E that would not help!! Did researchers kill?
But as such the results are useful, for we know now with
95 % confidence that the more common alpha
tocopherol or a-tocopherol acetate aren't good
choices for those undergoing chemo treatment
for cancer. There quite a body of work the
value of a-tocopherol succinate for inducing
the apoptosis (death) of cancer cells.

Third, over the longer term the number of recurrences were
the SAME in both groups. Rather it seems the type of
vitamin used in this trail apparently speeded the onset of
the recurrance thus costing the individual some years or
months of life.

Personally, I include 400 IU of d-alpha tocopheryl succinate
with the other forms of E that I take. The rest is either mixed
and high gamma with tocotrienols. In time I'll drop the standard
mixed tocopherol when I use it up and just use the high gamma
with tocotrienols forms and the tocopheryl succinate.

Perhaps the full study has more I not seeing as I am basing
my comments on the abstract, a letter, and a press release.

Finally, I long ago have blocked Mark Thorsen due to some
of the nearly endless Usenet squabbles he has be in with others.

The title was designed to inflame and while it likely reflect the
opinion of this papers authors, it doesn't fully reflect the
science.

In short if you are taking chemo consider either switching
to tocopheryl succinate or stopping the use of vitamin E
both concurrent and adjacent to the use of chemo.

JQ

peterb@mytrashmail.com> wrote in message

If you don't even know, why are you commenting?

The statement is a fact.  Read the damn studies.

Look who's talking.  You haven't even read the studies.

moo

REPLY

This is true. Why rely on scientists when we have misc.health.alternative?

Joel

On what do you base that?  Can you cite any studies?
Do you sell gamma-tocopherol?

Obviously, it would be unethical to give tocotrienols
to cancer patients, because tocotrienols stimulate the
mechanism responsible for resistance to cancer
chemotherapy drugs.

You need to read my post again. It clearly states ..."in their body". I
did not say or even imply that mercury in a thermometer would harm anyone.
However, I do believe that if a person has mercury in their body--that it
could do serious harm since all experts know that it is a poison. Upon
request, I can provide a website where a person explains all of the
problems that he had related to his dental fillings. Once those dental
fillings were removed and his body was detoxified--his problems were
solved.

Sooner or later you crack it, loose the mercury on floor where it may
lay for years vaporizing and much of the vapors ends in your lungs and
later transferred to other parts harming your body.

Supplements have there place for me as I hope to
derive either some life extension or at least some
death curve squaring from the use of supranutrional
levels of certain vitamin, vitamin-like compounds, nttrients,
phytochemicals, hormones, and even some xenobiotics.
of course, this outlook is quite different from simple
nutrition. The forum most suited to the discussion
of what I just wrote is sci.life-extension.

Either they'll be stored in fat, or they'll just be eliminated in
urine.  The energy expenditure either way is negligible.

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