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Paul T. Holland - 05 Apr 2005 23:08 GMT
info query plse:

stepbrother (67yr old) just had followup mtg today after endo and needle
biopsy last friday - took 4 samples: pancr./liver/left kidney/duod.

all this due to back pain, 13 lb weight loss over 2 months, so they did
a cat which showed a spidery 2-3 cm mass.

ok - today

pancr pos, lymph neg, cavity fluid suspicious,

spleen now enlarged (compared to cat done 12 days ago)

masses on panc, left adrenal, left urethra, antr pylorus, multiple
'small'  sites thruout abdomen,
small mass on treitz ligament, celiac plexus, and mesenteric vessels

his goal is to understand time, and options

are there any trials i can point him too?

ok to email me direct

thanks
paul
J - 06 Apr 2005 01:39 GMT
> info query plse:
>
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>
> are there any trials i can point him too?

I'm sorry about your step-brother, Paul,

If he's got diarrhea, Barbara could remind us of the chemo that helped her
Chris. (or I'll search it overnight in the archives)
To be honest paul, I've been here for over 5 years, and that's the worst
spread of pancreatic cancer i"ve ever seen here.
Not in the liver? (your post is unclear about that)  If so, is he jaundiced?
(whites of the eyes yellow, skin yellow, peeing yellow/darker urine)
Is it definitely pancreatic cancer? - Adenocarcinoma ?
For a while I was saying 3 months, then 3 months to a year, when the cancer
was only in the pancreas, but I doubt that your step-brother even has 3
months, especially if the liver is involved.
I could be wrong. There's an ACOR mail list under P at www.acor.org to
compare notes with other patients or loved ones left behind.

Is he ambulant and otherwise fit? It's hard to get a "visual" over the
internet.
Pancreatic cancer is often diagnosed late stage for the very same reason you
mention - back pain attributed to something else. Or loss of weight that's
sometimes actually appreciated until the person starts looking rather guant
and someone figures out that something's very wrong.  The cancer eats up the
food that is ingested, so there's musle wasting and weakness along with the
weight loss.

If I'm right, get his affairs in order, treat symptoms (hospice) and some
tips here at the bottom of the page
http://www.cancersupportivecare.com/pancreas.html under supportive measures.
- they say 4 months there.
Apparently the plexus can be(come) very painful.
A stent can be placed if he's fit enough for the surgery; one type is
permanent, the other has to be replaced every 2-3 months, if I recall.  But
if he's got little time, a replacement might not be necessary.

Then do the things that he would do if he knew he only had a week...visit
friends, have relatives come visit him, finiish projects, go to the pub,
visit places he's always wanted to see (if well enough) and symptoms are
under control.

There are clinical trials http://clinicaltrials.gov/
type pancreatic into them. Do you know how to interpret clinical trial
criteria?
I would say ignore the Curcumin trial.
People do do better in trials, whether they're getting thr real thing or a
placebo. - perhaps closer moitoring which can occur also with hospice care.

Watch for Steph's reply. Perhaps radiation therapy is the better choice for
the plexus. He's the experts. He's the one who sees such patients in his
practice.

Whatever you do, paul, tell them not to let desperation take over and end up
in the hands of fraudulent treaters...
Hang in there for a bit and lets put the pieces together and get all the
details.
What other symptoms is he having?

I'll be on later . My computer is acting up.
J -not an expert
Paul T. Holland - 06 Apr 2005 22:58 GMT
thanks j - as to your questions:

> I'm sorry about your step-brother, Paul,
>
> If he's got diarrhea, Barbara could remind us of the chemo that helped her
> Chris. (or I'll search it overnight in the archives)

actually at this point it was the opposite, his motility was soooo slow that
they had to delay the scope/biop for two days 'cause the stomach/duad hadn't
cleared even after fasting. they put him on liquid nutrition  - and during the
procedure put a stent in the bile/panc duct (closed from inflammation) and since
then weight loss has stopped, and last night he even took a bit of solid food.

> To be honest paul, I've been here for over 5 years, and that's the worst
> spread of pancreatic cancer i"ve ever seen here.

his case manag.doc is pretty shook - they are friends and very honest with each
other, but he's not an oncologist.

> Not in the liver? (your post is unclear about that)  If so, is he jaundiced?
> (whites of the eyes yellow, skin yellow, peeing yellow/darker urine)

no jaundice at all, urine output was/is low, but his intake had been curtailed
due to the discomfort he was having, under current regimen, he's back up to
regular intake and it looks ok. blood sugr ok also at this time.

> Is it definitely pancreatic cancer? - Adenocarcinoma ?

don't have the report in front of me, but the verbal yesterday (he's up in
boston, i'm in maryland) was yes pancreatic, no liver, and waiting for final
labs to determine 'which' of the several  types of pancreatic it is and nail
down stage definition.
but they have all but said it's adeno - hesitation due to slow recpt of labs -
this is the roxbury  VA outside of boston, with a second opinion coming from
brigham.

for now they have decided it started from the head - and are looking at the
remaining labs to determine course of  action with an oncology/surgery meeting
on this coming monday.

> For a while I was saying 3 months, then 3 months to a year, when the cancer
> was only in the pancreas, but I doubt that your step-brother even has 3
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> Is he ambulant and otherwise fit? It's hard to get a "visual" over the
> internet.

ok - complication here - he's a 10 year double heart valve replacement on
coumadin (they took him off for procedure with debate re heparin/coumadin now)
and  severe asthmatic bronchitis.

with that said, he's incredibly self-motivated and disciplined - uses meditation
etc. with excellent results for years.
so his normal is to be active, but for the past 3 weeks his level of fatigue has
been increasing now to needing  mid-day naps.

put on morphine when other didn't make a dent, and for the past 3 days needed
breakthru by 2 pm.

better digestion/motility seems to be helping 'cause today he wanted to be up
and around - he's been up all day.
though his pain levels are still high

he's been sleeping (cat napping) sitting inclined for about two weeks but with
better pain management he's slept thru the nite the last 4.!!!. major diff. in
his outlook with sleep...

> Pancreatic cancer is often diagnosed late stage for the very same reason you
> mention - back pain attributed to something else. Or loss of weight that's
> sometimes actually appreciated until the person starts looking rather guant
> and someone figures out that something's very wrong.  The cancer eats up the
> food that is ingested, so there's musle wasting and weakness along with the
> weight loss.

poster child for above.

thank you so much for the below, and thanks for all you do -

i think a trip out west to daughter and grandbaby is in order...

i'll post again when they give the final on the labs.

paul

> If I'm right, get his affairs in order, treat symptoms (hospice) and some
> tips here at the bottom of the page
[quoted text clipped - 29 lines]
> I'll be on later . My computer is acting up.
> J -not an expert
Barbara - 06 Apr 2005 23:59 GMT
Hi Paul

I'm Barbara. My best friend Chris died almost a month ago of pancreatic
cancer, 9+ months after diagnosis.

The chemo he took was the GTX combo, which is Gemcitibine (Gemzar),
Taxotere and Xeolda(oral F5U). Other common chemo's are
Gemcitibine+Cisplatin, Gemcitibine+Oxiliplatin, and gemcitibine
alone......the intent of the combo chemo's is to use less of each
individual drug to lessen toxicity.

I thought Chris did very well on his chemo while it was not without
side effects the side effects were less severe than the cancer
symptoms. In short, he felt better with chemo than without.

Chris had diarrhea throughout most of his illness, towards the end
though he developed trouble with delayed gastric emptying much as you
described.  The bile duct stent should help your stepbrother a lot, and
he should try to eat as much as possible without making himself sick.
Chris found it helpful to try to develop "cravings" by thinking about
food, reading food magazines and watching commercials.

I highly recommend joining the acor list for this
disease(www.acor.org), there are lots of people taking various
treatments and participating in clinical trials. Also, a very small
percentage of people(less than 1% or so) that take chemo for this
disease have a spectacular response and while remission is extremely
rare it is not unheard of. Randy Stein, an inoperable PC patient, died
recently after a 5year+ chemo induced remission.

There are also some trials out there that might be good for people
that want to do something but are too ill for chemo (PanVac comes to
mind)........they are very much longshots in terms of results but can
serve to make the patient feel as if he is doing something.

Be aware that many trials, especially those of alternative and vaccine
based treatments, require that the patient to try chemo first. And you
will find lots of clinical trials for pancreatic cancer patients...this
is mostly due to the fact that the best approved treatments have such
dismal results.

No doubt about it, this disease is bad news. The best advice I can give
to you and your father is to try to live "in the moment" without
thinking about what lies ahead. I think the most common question I've
heard people with the disease ask is "what will my death be like" and
it is a hard question to get answered. I discovered that the reason
this question is hard to answer is that it is different for everyone,
the symptoms and the amount of pain can vary greatly patient to
patient. Chris never experienced the severe pain that is considered the
most common symptom of this disease and I am grateful for that..while
preparing for pain and "staying on top" of the pain is prudent, don't
live in fear of this pain, it may not happen.

Feel free to e-mail me directly with questions, I don't always check
the account I use for this group as often as I should, but I will send
you my "real" e-mail address if you contact me there. And again, please
join the mailing list at www.acor.org, there is a list group for
pancreatic cancer...they can help you with things like the names of
doctors in your area that use certain treatments and other very
specific info. The group had been a little quiet for awhile, but if you
join just post an e-mail describing your situation and you will get
many responses.
J - 09 Apr 2005 02:06 GMT
>  Also, a very small
> percentage of people(less than 1% or so) that take chemo for this
> disease have a spectacular response and while remission is extremely
> rare it is not unheard of.

http://www.merck.com/mrkshared/mmanual/section3/chapter34/34e.jsp
Pancreatic Tumors

Exocrine tumors of the pancreas develop from ductal and acinar cells.
Endocrine tumors arise from islet and gastrin-producing cells and often
produce many hormones.
EXOCRINE TUMORS
Ductal Adenocarcinoma

Adenocarcinomas of the exocrine pancreas arise from duct cells nine times
more often than from acinar cells; 80% occur in the head of the gland.
Adenocarcinomas appear at the mean age of 55 yr and occur 1.5 to 2 times
more often in men.
Symptoms and Signs

Symptoms occur late in the course of disease; by diagnosis, 90% of patients
have tumor that is locally advanced and has directly involved
retroperitoneal structures, spread to regional lymph nodes, or metastasized
to the liver or lung. Weight loss and abdominal pain occur in most patients
with advanced disease. Adenocarcinomas may produce obstructive jaundice
and, if in the body and tail, splenic vein obstruction, splenomegaly,
gastric and esophageal varices, and GI hemorrhage. Most patients have
increasing severe upper abdominal pain, which usually radiates to the back.
Although pancreatic cancer pain may be relieved by bending forward or
assuming the fetal position, all patients eventually require narcotic
analgesics.

Prognosis and Treatment

Overall 5-yr survival is < 2%. If the tumor is localized to the head of the
pancreas (<= 2 cm), as occurs in only 10% of patients, a total
pancreatectomy or Whipple's operation (pancreaticoduodenectomy) results in
5-yr survival of 15 to 20%.

Cystadenocarcinoma

A rare adenomatous pancreatic cancer that arises as a malignant
degeneration of a mucous cystadenoma and presents as upper abdominal pain
and a palpable abdominal mass.

Ultrasound or CT of the pancreas shows cystadenocarcinoma as a cystic mass
with debris in it, but scans may be falsely interpreted as necrotic
adenocarcinoma or pancreatic pseudocyst. Unlike ductal adenocarcinoma,
cystadenocarcinoma has a relatively good prognosis. Only 20% of patients
have metastasis at the time of operation; complete excision of the tumor by
distal or total pancreatectomy or by Whipple's operation results in a 65%
5-yr survival.
Intraductal Papillary-Mucinous Tumor

A recently described syndrome of dilatation of the main pancreatic duct or
branch ducts, with mucin overproduction.

Episodic pain that appears to be pancreatic in origin and mucinous
(macrocystic) neoplasms (cystadenomas, cystadenocarcinomas) may occur in
association with intraductal papillary-mucinous tumors (IPMT). Of IPMT, >
30% are malignant at operation, but the natural history is unknown. The
appearance of the ducts on imaging often leads to a diagnosis of chronic
pancreatitis, but extrusion of mucus from the papilla or the presence of
filling defects (which correspond to globs of mucus) within the pancreatic
ducts at ERCP is almost pathognomonic of the condition. Because these
studies cannot distinguish invasive malignant disease, surgical excision of
the dysplastic area is the best treatment.
ENDOCRINE TUMORS

Pancreatic endocrine tumors have two general presentations. Nonfunctioning
tumors may cause obstructive symptoms of the biliary tract or duodenum,
bleeding into the GI tract, or abdominal masses. Functioning tumors
hypersecrete a particular hormone, causing various syndromes, including
hypoglycemia (insulinoma hypersecretes insulin); Zollinger-Ellison syndrome
(gastrinoma hypersecretes gastrin); vipoma (vasoactive intestinal peptide
or prostaglandins E and E2 hypersecretion); carcinoid syndrome (caused by
carcinoid tumors--see Ch. 17); diabetes (glucagonoma hypersecretes
glucagon); Cushing's syndrome (ACTH hypersecretion); and mild hyperglycemia
with cholelithiasis (somatostatinoma). These clinical syndromes also occur
sometimes in multiple endocrine neoplasia (see Ch. 10), in which tumors or
hyperplasia affects two or more endocrine glands, usually the parathyroid,
pituitary, thyroid, or adrenals.
Insulinoma

A rare islet cell tumor that hypersecretes insulin.

Insulinoma is a tumor of pancreatic beta cells or, rarely, diffusely
hyperplastic beta cells. Of all insulinomas, 80% are single and may be
curatively resected if identified. Only 10% of insulinomas are malignant.
It occurs in 1/250,000 persons at a median age of 50 yr, except in multiple
endocrine neoplasia type I (about 10% of insulinomas), when it occurs in
the third decade of life. Insulinomas associated with multiple endocrine
neoplasia type I are more likely to be multiple.

Overall surgical cure rates should approach 90%. A small, single insulinoma
at or near the surface of the pancreas can usually be enucleated
surgically. If a single large or deep adenoma is within the pancreatic body
or tail, if there are multiple lesions of the body or tail (or both), or if
no insulinoma is found (an unusual circumstance), a distal, subtotal
pancreatectomy is performed. In < 1% of cases, the insulinoma is
ectopically located in peripancreatic sites of the duodenal wall or
periduodenal area and can be found only by diligent search.
Pancreaticoduodenectomy (Whipple's operation) is performed for resectable
malignant insulinomas of the proximal pancreas. Total pancreatectomy is
performed if a previous subtotal pancreatectomy proves inadequate.

If hypoglycemia continues, oral diazoxide (3 to 8 mg/kg in two to three
equal doses q 8 to 12 h) in conjunction with a natriuretic can be used. The
appropriate starting dose is 3 mg/kg; subsequent doses can be adjusted
according to need. The combination of streptozocin (1 g/m2 BSA IV weekly
for 4 wk) and 5-FU benefits 50% of patients but requires monitoring of
renal function (urine proteins, serum creatinine), hepatic function, and
cell counts (potential hematopoietic toxicity) and does not improve
survival. A long-acting somatostatin analog, octreotide (100 to 500 µg sc
bid to tid), is variably effective and should be considered to treat
symptomatic insulinoma patients with continuing hypoglycemia who are
refractory to diazoxide.
Zollinger-Ellison Syndrome
(Z-E Syndrome; Gastrinoma)

A syndrome characterized by marked hypergastrinemia, gastric
hypersecretion, and peptic ulceration caused by a gastrin-producing tumor
of the pancreas or the duodenal wall.

Vipoma

A tumor of non-beta pancreatic islet cells causing a syndrome of watery
diarrhea, hypokalemia, and achlorhydria.
Symptoms and Signs

Of these tumors, 50 to 75% are malignant, and some may be quite large (7
cm) at diagnosis. They may be identified within the pancreas by
immunocytochemistry. Vipoma syndrome may occur as part of multiple
endocrine neoplasia (see Ch. 10). The major clinical features are prolonged
massive watery diarrhea (fasting stool volume > 750 to 1000 mL/day and
nonfasting volumes of > 3000 mL/day) and symptoms of hypokalemia, acidosis,
and dehydration. Of patients, 50% have relatively constant diarrhea,
whereas the rest have alternating severe and moderate diarrhea; 33% have
diarrhea < 1 yr before diagnosis, but 25% have diarrhea >= 5 yr before
diagnosis. Lethargy, muscular weakness, nausea, vomiting, and crampy
abdominal pain are frequent. Hyperglycemia and impaired glucose tolerance
occur in <= 50% of patients. Rarely, flushing similar to the carcinoid
syndrome occurs during attacks of diarrhea.

Tumor resection is curative in 50% of patients with a localized tumor. In
those with metastatic tumor, resection of all visible tumor may provide
temporary relief of symptoms. The combination of streptozocin and
doxorubicin may reduce diarrhea and tumor mass if objective response occurs
(in 50 to 60%). Chemotherapy is not curative.
Glucagonoma

Pancreatic alpha-cell glucagon-secreting tumors that produce hyperglycemia.

Glucagonomas are very rare but similar to other islet cell tumors in that
the primary and metastatic lesions are slow-growing: 15-yr survival is
common. Of glucagonomas, 80% are malignant. The average age at symptom
onset is 50 yr; 80% of patients are women

etc...
J
Paul T. Holland - 12 Apr 2005 00:14 GMT
thank you barbara - the info is appreciated

> Hi Paul
>
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> join just post an e-mail describing your situation and you will get
> many responses.
J - 07 Apr 2005 02:02 GMT
> actually at this point it was the opposite, his motility was soooo slow that
> they had to delay the scope/biop for two days 'cause the stomach/duad hadn't
> cleared even after fasting. they put him on liquid nutrition  - and during the
> procedure put a stent in the bile/panc duct (closed from inflammation) and since
> then weight loss has stopped, and last night he even took a bit of solid food.

The symptoms of pancreatic cancer include "diarrhea or constipation", so it varies..

> his case manag.doc is pretty shook - they are friends and very honest with each
> other, but he's not an oncologist.
[quoted text clipped - 34 lines]
> i'll post again when they give the final on the
> labs.\http://www.swedish.org/13709.cfm

http://www.swedish.org/13709.cfm
Pancreaticoduodenectomy (Whipple procedure)
This operation is an attempt at curing pancreatic cancer. Before having this
surgery, it is important that detailed imaging studies be done to determine that
your cancer is indeed considered resectable (capable of being surgically removed).
Pancreaticoduodenectomy is an extremely extensive operation. The head and body of
the pancreas, either all of the stomach or the lower part of the stomach, the first
and second sections of the small intestine (duodenum and jejunum), surrounding lymph
nodes, and the gall bladder and common bile duct are all removed.

This is a very complex surgery, requiring great expertise on the part of the
surgeon. There is a very high complication and death rate from this surgery. It is
important to have this operation done at a medical center where many are performed.
In these settings, the death rate due to this surgery is about 2% to 5%; at smaller,
less experienced hospitals, the death rate may be as high as 10%.<end qyoted>

To be honest paul. he's almost 30 years older than the 3 examples (Barbara's friend,
a local guy and my firiend's brother).
the latter two had none of your stepbrother's complications and had surgery and
survived it. Jeff just confirmed that cancer patients tend to have either clotting
or bleeding problems, so this is complicated by the coumadin..

the Whipple is described in more detail here
http://cpmcnet.columbia.edu/dept/cs/programs/pancreas/pancreatic_surgical.html
It's very extensive surgery and would possibly involve removing his spleen too.
(which is mentioned on that last one)
The pancreas is deep in the body, I think behind the liver.
They lift up/out part of the liver and look and feel around.
So once opened up, the picture could be quite different and decisions are made while
the patient is under anesthetic. I'm sure that would be explained at a surgical
meeting.

Once they open a person up, they sometimes find that it's more extensive than
thought and simply sew them back up. (that's what happened with Stan, from this
newsgroup)..  He had an ERCP first, then did his homework and was going to abandon,
then went/flew/drove to USCF http://gi.ucsf.edu/hospClinics.html (because he found
doctors there who he thought were most experienced with such) for more tests and
that's where they opened and closed him back up.

I don't think they would risk it here (person/age/HealthSituation) in Canada, but
it's your stepbrother's and surgeons decision.

If he survives the surgery/anesthetic and/or any complications, (after the 2-week
hospitalization and recovery period) he may still have to have radiation therapy to
his back area. And then see if he's fit enough for any of the chemos...

I would definitely call the daughter and speak with both before the surgery, in case
it's his last chance.
If he goes on chemo, he may want to inquire if it's available oral, in case he wants
to visit his relations while under treatment.

Good luck with the decision making process and best wishes and keep in touch and let
us know how it goes.
J
J - 07 Apr 2005 13:14 GMT
> thanks j - as to your questions:

paul, I don't know if you still have my email.
If not, you know which newsgroup(s) to find me on.
I _will_ be there for you, since you've there for me and for the newsgroups that I
care about.
Thank you.
J
Steph - 06 Apr 2005 05:50 GMT
> info query plse:
>
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
> thanks
> paul

The best treatment for the back pain is some simple radiotherapy.
The chemo usually used in this situation is gemcitabine, which is fairly
non-toxic.

Any treatment is aimed at quality of life, and has no impact on survival
time, which is a median of about 4 months
Paul T. Holland - 06 Apr 2005 22:58 GMT
thanks steph - appreciate

> > info query plse:
> >
[quoted text clipped - 29 lines]
> Any treatment is aimed at quality of life, and has no impact on survival
> time, which is a median of about 4 months
J - 09 Apr 2005 01:45 GMT
> spleen now enlarged (compared to cat done 12 days ago)

http://www.hmc.psu.edu/healthinfo/pq/pancreaticcancer.htm

Unfortunately, pancreatic cancer usually causes no symptoms until the tumor
is large. At that point, the cancer has usually spread (metastasized) to
nearby lymph nodes, the liver, or the lungs. The first symptoms are usually
abdominal pain and weight loss. Other symptoms depend upon the location of
the cancer. About 80% of pancreatic cancers occur in the “head” of the
pancreas. This is the area closest to the common bile duct. Jaundice, which
means the skin and whites of the eyes look yellow, occurs when the bile duct
becomes obstructed. Other symptoms include mid-back pain, nausea and
diarrhea, general weakness, itchy skin, light-colored bowel movements, and
slow digestion of food. The liver and gallbladder may be swollen. About 20%
of pancreatic cancers occur in the “tail” of the pancreas. These tumors
usually block the vein that drains the spleen, which enlarges the spleen and
the varicose veins around the stomach and esophagus. Symptoms include pain
in the abdomen that usually gets worse about 3 or 4 hours after a meal; back
pain that changes as you change position; loss of appetite; and blood clots
in the legs. In the rare cases of pancreatic cancer (cystadenocarcinoma)
that affect the hormone-secreting portion of the pancreas, the pancreas will
produce too much insulin or other hormones. Symptoms may include weakness or
dizziness, chills, muscle spasms, or diarrhea.
 
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