> What is ESSIAC apart from a herbal gimmick....?
Yes, Michel. If you start looking into those, you might as well "buy"
every/anything here
http://www.mdanderson.org/departments/cimer/ (Reviews of therapies) and
here http://www.quackwatch.org/00AboutQuackwatch/altseek.html and more,
that sometimes gets posted about here. (see my point?)
> Finally we got the very bad news: primary is pancreatic cancer with no
> possible cure from first doctor's point of view. I guess there might be
> brain mets insofar as I had a phone conversation with him and he's
> confused and unclear; he also stumbled twice while walking at the
> hosp..."We may give him comfort chem just for pain..." said the doctor.
I'm sorry to hear that, Michel. He really sounds too unwell for chemo, but
Babara's friend has pancreatic cancer. He's youngish, I think >50 years
old and was taking Xeloda and Gemzar along with Taxotere. He had to stop
(I think) the Taxotere, too severe side effects. She did say that one or
the other of the other two helped with pain and diarrhea. She felt that it
bought him quality time. Although as far as I know, during that time, it
was not in his liver and brain. They've stopped the chemos now and he's in
palliation.
Depending on what the doctors say for estimated survival, you may wish to
consider Steph's "Questions to Ask"
http://tinyurl.com/4akk6
> Any clue what could be done ? I heard of experimental gene therapy...
It's my understanding that routine use of gene therapy is years away.
You could check/look at clinical trials for pancreatic cancer to see what
clinical trials are available in the US, in case you want to ask the onc
to duplicate the treatment for your Dad.
http://www.clinicaltrials.gov/
You may need his Karnofsky/performance status to guide you.
http://www.hospicepatients.org/karnofsky.html and/or
http://www.clevelandclinicmeded.com/diseasemanagement/neurology/braintumor/table3.htm
Then read the clinical trial criteria and seems to fit your father's
situation, but does not include your father's problems. I looked at one
but it excluded diabetes.
There's more there. Just type in pancreatic.
> Should we tell him if his brain condition is worsening...what is worth
> doing in such case ?
I believe in honesty with the patient. What that is for your Dad, I don't
know, because I'm not there to see his medical records and discuss your
Dad's health complications, age, current condition, symptoms (such as
whether there's a different way to deal with the pain), how the chemo
would affect his brain (negative or positive). I would have to see him to
see if he's lost a lot of weight and muscle function. I would have to ask
the doctors what they think is causing his symptoms, the salt situation or
the cancer, or the metabolic processes that occur with end stage cancer.
The metabolic processes are so similar to dying..you'll see here
http://www.crossingthecreek.com/guts.htm If it's a matter of weeks or a
month, then I would go with hospice if they can control the pain.
Where's the pain? Steph's a radiation oncologist. He's been absent a bit,
but may be back shortly and might comment.
I would have to know whether your Dad has got all his affairs in order,
how your father would react to hear that he probably won't survive this..
With Dad it was fairly easy; he'd been sick for a while and had already
made up his mind; no heroic measures in his case.
In your father's situation, if he has his affairs in order, I would
certainly tell him of the potential side effects and possible benefits of
treatment (not just force it on him). I would also talk to him about
hospice care and give him the option of deciding (if he's capable of
making an informed decision about that). Otherwise, I might not say
anything and make a decision that I thought best for his comfort and
quality of life.
But I'm not you...
I've presented you with a lot of information, places to search (clinical
trials), options, questions to ask of the doctors.
IThere's also a private email list at www.acor.org for Pancreatic if you
wish to subscribe.
You're always welcome here too.
If I or others can be of assist, please ask.
I care
'm sorry that I don't have one good easy answer for you.
Please know you and your father will be in our thoughts.
J
Michel Soubirout - 19 Mar 2005 19:46 GMT
J, Thank you so much for your help and advice.
We're waiting for brain scan results (Monday) and biopsy (liver and
pancreas on Wednesday).
Just to be sure there is nothing new that might kind of help him for a
while I contacted who seems to be a well known researcher on pancreatic
cancer: Robert L. Fine (Columbia - NY)
My long searches on the web led me to something that would be the best
"comfort cure", psychologically I mean, with a trial on Curcumin...my
Dad loves Curcumin; I think he would fancy helping Science in his last
moments on something so unusual.
BTW, his Karnofsky/performance is round 50% and he has lost weight...now
is ~100 kg...was 112 few months ago. Mainly muscles are melting away as
any effort today causes tetany and shaking.
Cheers
Michel
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Michel Soubirout - 20 Mar 2005 14:22 GMT
J,
I got a very kind answer from Dr Fine. He redirects me to the well known
David Khayat in Paris. We'll do our best to have a meeting with him
within the coming week.
As mentioned in an other message, what about Max Gerson diet ? At least
could be a good idea to apply it anyway for toxine cleaning...no ?
Michel
> J, Thank you so much for your help and advice.
> We're waiting for brain scan results (Monday) and biopsy (liver and
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Barbara - 20 Mar 2005 22:38 GMT
Hi Michel
I'm Barbara and my friend Chris died of pancreatic cancer with liver
mets recently. If you Dad is gong to a physician recommended by Dr.
Fine, they will probably recommend the GTX chemo -- Dr Fine is deeply
involed in researching this protocol. My friend was responsive to both
this chemo and a milder variant and we feel it gave us some quality
time. He survived 9.5 months from dx date and had a fairly high
performance status (around 75) until two weeks or so before his death.
I woud highly recommend that you subscribe to the ACOR list for
pancreatic cancer at www.acor.org. You have to subscribe twice, once to
the system and again to the individual list. There are several active
members who are familiar with Dr. Fine and using that protocol, there
are also people who have had success and failure with other treatments,
and you will find good answers to your questions.
As for Gerson and such, the consenus I get is that the treatment not
only consumes all your time, but patients suffer from lack of sleep
because they have to get up every few hours to take more pills. Also,
the quantity of pills that the patient has to consume is so large that
it kills the appetite for real foods. On the other hand, some people
swear by the pallative value of coffee enemas and Chris took fairly
large quantities of pancreatc enzymes to aid digestion, so soem
portions of the regimen may have palliative value in moderation.
I am very sorry to hear of your father and all my best wishes go out to
you...remember to take everything one day at time or even one hour at a
time when things get really rough and to enjoy every minute as much as
you can.
Barbara