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Jeffery D. Brown - 12 Mar 2005 21:32 GMT
Hello Group!

I am new here and in search of some information.  Let me share what I
know.  I have a fianc?e who is from and still living in Russia.  She is
due to come to the U.S. to be with me this Summer.

My future wife was diagnosed with bladder cancer in January of this year.
She speaks fairly good English but has no idea how to speak details.  All
I know is she has bladder cancer.  I have no idea what type or whether or
not it has spread.  She received chemotherapy for a month.  I am not sure
why she received this.  I asked her about surgery and she told me she did
not want surgery because of fears.  (Her uncle died 6 months following a
similar surgery.) She is a young woman, 33 years of age.  Historically,
she has also had uterine cancer three years ago and had a partial
hysterectomy.

Naturally, I have no idea how good Russian medical treatments for cancer are.
In general, how is life expectancy with the treatment she has had?  This
may sound cruel and even cold hearted, I don't want to bring her here just
to die in a few years.  She has two young children and all her family is
in Russia.  I don't want to separate them from her family if her chances
are poor.  I have heard, by some, this type of cancer is more a nuisance
than life threatening.  Is this true? Any thoughts?

Jeffery
Steph - 13 Mar 2005 02:49 GMT
> Hello Group!
>
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>
> Jeffery

The prognosis and approriate treatment are very much dependent on stage.
There isn't enough info here to even hazard a guess
Jeffery D. Brown - 14 Mar 2005 18:38 GMT
Steph,

Yes, I gathered that.  I am in the process of having a Russian English
teacher contact her and try to get more details.

I'll post more when I learn more.  Thank you.

Jeffery

> The prognosis and approriate treatment are very much dependent on stage.
> There isn't enough info here to even hazard a guess
J - 13 Mar 2005 11:03 GMT
> I am new here and in search of some information.  Let me share what I
> know.  I have a fiancée who is from and still living in Russia.  She is
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> are poor.  I have heard, by some, this type of cancer is more a nuisance
> than life threatening.  Is this true? Any thoughts?

Hello and welcome.

I'm afraid I don't know much about Russia.
How long have you known her?

I'm just typing random thoughts, in case this helps with your decision.

I was just reading about warty growths
http://www.cancerbacup.org.uk/Cancertype/Bladder
under "type" . A friend's father has had that for several or more years. She says
they "lasered" them off.
(I think she means "cauterized")
I think she said something about the stem(s) being left behind. He's 70 and has
Alzheimer's.
He's had the procedure several times during the past few years.  Then it was
recently discovered that he had a reoccurence.
They were going to remove the whole bladder but only removed half, the half that
had a large tumour in it. Then they injected something into his remaining half of
the bladder.
He's a bit ticked. He thought it might have been better to remove it all. (so I'm
assuming that he's tired of the the procedures, the tests, the hospital stays.
That's his story, so far.

The urology channel doesn't seem to have as much info but mentions "reoccurances"
so I can see why we might think that it's nuisance and costly. (In Canada where
the gent is, it's covered by our health insurance, but immigration probably
wouldn't let someone in, I would think, of your fiancee's age, having had 2
cancers.. Would cost the system too much.

Also, it doesn't seem to bode well when someone so young has already had two
cancers.  Cancer is an aging disease, so one wonders if she survives this, what
next? Later, as she ages...

I hear and read that the survival rate of most marriages today is 50% and half
that for long-distance relationships (mail/phone internet). Have you met and
spent some time together?  I always wonder how one can create a true relationship
without at least having met, several times, before making such a commitment.
Makes me wonder why people pick partners from some other countries, when there's
such a "supply" in your own country.  Why for her, is probably more obvious. But
I think you have some very good points. For instance, how do you know she's not
coming here for healthcare, along with possibly marrying you. And later, whether
planned or not, will get homesick and return to the Russia?

You might want to ask her to fax you a diagnosis letter written by her doctor and
the pathology report, so you get the details of the bladder cancer.  If she asks
why, you might want to say that you have to start inquiring about health
insurance rates in regards to pre-existing conditions, which is something you
might want to do anyway.

Back to the diagnosis letter and pathology report; you would then have to find a
cancer doctor who speaks and reads Russian fluently (and I presume for a fee) get
him to sort out what her diagnosis is.  Since she doesn't speak "details" (I
presume she has a grasp of common chat), that would give you a view as to what
your life might be like together for at least 3 or 4 years while she gets some
English as a second language education. Not to mention, where is she going to
work, if she has difficulty with the language?  I would think that you would have
to be her translator and carry most of the burden (financial, timewise running
errands, taking care of household affairs) in the interim.

I don't know what to do if she refuses and/or cannot get the papers.

Just random thoughts and maybe an idea of how to get the details...
Let us know what you find out.
Best,
J
Jeffery D. Brown - 14 Mar 2005 18:32 GMT
J,

I have known her for almost two years. I am not here to discuss
relationship details.  I am interested in learning about her condition and
prognoses.  I will say this.  I love her very much.  I have met her and
spent time with her.  We, also, call each other often.  She is not seeking
better healthcare, she is seeking her other half.  I am, also, not here to
debate why I didn't choose a local woman.  This is a big world, I didn't
put limitations on my search for a mate.  I chose a woman I was compatible
with, not where she was from.

As far as immigration is concerned, they are not looking for cancer.  They
check for STDs and other communicable diseases.

Her English is fine, She just does not know scientific / medical
terminology.  Finding work is not an issue either.

I will keep the group updated as I learn more.

Jeffery

> Hello and welcome.
>
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> Best,
> J
J - 14 Mar 2005 18:57 GMT
> I am interested in learning about her condition and prognoses.

<snip>
Now you know who to ask.
I do hope that the information that I provided was informative for you. :-)

> I will keep the group updated as I learn more.

<big snip> Do that/good idea.
Thanks for your reply. Good luck.
J
Jeffery D. Brown - 15 Mar 2005 03:38 GMT
J,

Absolutely!  Any information is welcomed.  I just hope I am able to learn
more details from my fianc?e soon.  The last I heard, she is not bad, but
not good either.  It also does not help that Russians (many) do not like
to speak about there health.  This is one of those times the distance that
separates us truly sucks!  :<(

Jeffery

> > I am interested in learning about her condition and prognoses.
>
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> Thanks for your reply. Good luck.
> J
Alan B. Mac Farlane - 13 Mar 2005 18:03 GMT
Hi Jeff ...

Lots of Vietnam Vets died of bladder cancer ... agent orange pissing through
their system ... takes about 6 months from Dx to the grave.

agent orange has killed 70% of the oceans ... no plankton around these day
...

anyhow ... bladder cancer goes real quick ... don't expect her to live much
longer ... with cutpoisonburn being the soup de jour of modern medicine ...
as well as the causality agent to cancer in general ... radiation and rocket
fuel.

enjoy what time you have with her ...

sorry for the bad news ...

my heart goes out to you and to her ...

for your current and future pain you will have to live through ...

but always remember the big picture ...

Support Our Troops ... Win the War on Terror ... Bush is Right ...

sumbuddie said dis

:)

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JEFFERYBROWN-1203051632400001@cblmdm63-166-35-84.buckeye-express.com,
Jeffery D. Brown at JEFFERYBROWN@BUCKEYE-EXPRESS.COM wrote on 3/12/05 1:32
PM:

> Hello Group!
>
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>
> Jeffery
J - 13 Mar 2005 19:27 GMT
> Hi Jeff ...
>
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> as well as the causality agent to cancer in general ... radiation and rocket
> fuel.

Jan's been around since summer 2000. she has superficial bladder cancer, had
surgery (the
tumor invaded the lamina propria but not the muscle layer) and continues on BCG
maintenance.
So the details are important...

Maybe there's no plankton in your brain, Alan, but at last check, an average-sized
humpback whale will eat 4400-5500 pounds (2000-2500 kg) of plankton, krill and
small, schooling fish each day during the feeding season. And that's just one
type/size of whale....

You're this newsgroup's "cross to bear", sometimes interesting..almost always
loonie.
J
Jan den Hollander - 15 Mar 2005 18:06 GMT
"J" <plaid@example.com> wrote in message

> Jan's been around since summer 2000. she has superficial bladder cancer,
had surgery (the
> tumor invaded the lamina propria but not the muscle layer) and continues
on BCG maintenance.
> So the details are important...

Jeffery,  I am alive and kicking; in fact never felt better. Except for
those lifesaving BCG treatments, but that's only once a year now.
But Steph is right: if it invades the muscle layer, or metastasizes the
prognosis is not good.
Jeffery D. Brown - 15 Mar 2005 21:17 GMT
Thanks,

It sounds like those are the important questions I need to ask.  I was at
my urologist today, for my own problem.  They said the metastasizing
question is the most important I need to get answered from her.  I hope I
can learn more soon.

I'll keep you posted, with a followup, when I find out more!  Thanks again.

Jeffery

> "J" <plaid@example.com> wrote in message
>
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> But Steph is right: if it invades the muscle layer, or metastasizes the
> prognosis is not good.
Jan den Hollander - 16 Mar 2005 15:20 GMT
> Jan's been around since summer 2000.

"J", is there an email address where I can reach you?

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J - 16 Mar 2005 16:12 GMT
> > Jan's been around since summer 2000.
>
> "J", is there an email address where I can reach you?
>
> garbage jandh AT garbage att DOT net

it bounced back
"blocked by blacklist.mail.ops.worldnet.att.net.
contact your administrator" (/ISP/spamblock)
J
Jan den Hollander - 16 Mar 2005 17:42 GMT
> > > Jan's been around since summer 2000.
> >
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> "blocked by blacklist.mail.ops.worldnet.att.net.
> contact your administrator" (/ISP/spamblock)

oops, AT&T does that with domains which generate lots of spam, sorry about
that. They have told me that your provider should contact them about it to
get off their blacklist . It is very annoying and if they continue to do
that I may change provider :-( But for now: try my other email address

garbage jan AT den-hollander DOT org garbage

Jan
eveline - 13 Mar 2005 19:26 GMT
> Naturally, I have no idea how good Russian medical treatments for cancer are.
> In general, how is life expectancy with the treatment she has had?  This
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>
> Jeffery

Your facts and history of this cancer are too  sketchy for anyone to assure
you of the probable final outcome.
Bladder cancer is not necessarily fatal if recommendations for treatment are
followed.  It helps if the cancer has not broken through the bladder wall
into other obdominal areas.

For example:  a niece of mine had bladder cancer that was surgically
resolved.  Her bladder was removed and a section of her colon was used as a
replacement bladder.
She does have to do a self urinary catheterization several times a day, but
she is fine.
She did not need any chemo or radiation.  She is not young - about 74 years
of age.

Hope this helps some.

eveline
Jeffery D. Brown - 14 Mar 2005 18:39 GMT
Eveline,

Thanks for sharing.  I am trying to gather more details.

Jeffery

> Your facts and history of this cancer are too  sketchy for anyone to assure
> you of the probable final outcome.
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>
> eveline
 
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