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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Cancer / March 2005pain question
I'm on 120 mg of morphine twice a day, with 60 mg at noon. Add in as much ibuprofen as my liver and kidneys can handle. So here's the question. A couple of times I've been unable to sleep for pain. I've found that upping my nighttime dosage just 30 mg is all it takes to get me to sleep and get rid of the pain, but it gets hard to wake up in the morning. AM I running any risks? It's not like I am ever going to be cured of the cancer or be justified in stopping the morphine, so addiction is not really a viable concern for me.  SignatureIMPORTANT: This email is intended for the use of the individual addressee (s) named above and may contain information that is confidential, privileged or unsuitable for overly sensitive persons with low self-esteem, no sense of humor or irrational religious beliefs. 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A [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > It's not like I am ever going to be cured of the cancer or be justified in > stopping the morphine, so addiction is not really a viable concern for me. Socks, My dad was on the patches and also liquid morphine. He was instructed to sip this when he needed extra relief, which was esp. at night or if he spent long sitting on a hard chair (he had CRC stage 4 at the end). He had the liquid morphine for at least 3 months, but then again, he had a very aggressive cancer which took him quickly. I am sure that giving him the control over this particular pain med helped him, just knowing that it was there as and when he wanted. Best wishes, and hoping your pain is eased Sinead >> I'm on 120 mg of morphine twice a day, with 60 mg at noon. Add in as >> much ibuprofen as my liver and kidneys can handle. So here's the [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > He had the liquid morphine for at least 3 months, but then again, he > had a very aggressive cancer which took him quickly. My onc wants to go to the patches, but they cost about $1200 for a 2 month supply and aren't covered by medicare. I assume the liquid morphine is covered. I am on time release pills. I wonder if liquid would work differently somehow. Liquid anything is generally faster, is it not? I've been fighting this since May 2001. I'm at the point where there are things in June and July I really want to be around for that I have my doubts about making. I wish I believed in some sort of life after death so that I could just show up for them. SignatureIMPORTANT: This post is intended for the use of the individual addressee (s) named above and may contain information that is confidential, privileged or unsuitable for overly sensitive persons with low self- esteem, no sense of humor or irrational religious beliefs. If you are not the intended recipient, any dissemination, distribution or copying of this post is not authorized (either explicitly or implicitly) and constitutes an irritating social faux pas. Unless the word canonicalisation has been used in its correct context somewhere other than in this warning, it does not have any legal or grammatical use and may be ignored. No children or animals were harmed in the transmission of this post, although ghastly neighbors' cats are living on borrowed time, especially the squirrel killing ginger one. Those with an overwhelming fear of the unknown will be gratified to learn that there is no hidden message to be revealed by reading this warning backwards or via ROT-13, so just ignore any Alert Notice. >>> I'm on 120 mg of morphine twice a day, with 60 mg at noon. Add in as >>> much ibuprofen as my liver and kidneys can handle. So here's the [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > my doubts about making. I wish I believed in some sort of life after > death so that I could just show up for them. Socks, The liquid worked really fast, and to be honest, Dad found the patches a bit hit and miss - his body sucked the morphine out too fast - 48 hr patches were lasting 24. Luckily all our meds are covered except for script charges, or it would have cost a fortune. Dad aimed for my brother's wedding, and then for his return from honeymoon - he made it. How far has yours gone in this time? Best of best wishes Sinead > Socks, > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > How far has yours gone in this time? It's in my liver, and has been for a year now. bone mets all over the place, up and down the spine and in my ribs. fatigue creeping up and pain increasing. They've maxed on the radiation they can give me. I get to find out if there really is life after death probably before the year is out. >> Socks, >> [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > I get to find out if there really is life after death probably before the > year is out. How old are you Socks? Let me tell you a little story - it means nothing much to those outside our family, but it a great comfort. My mother is Irish and always believes that white feathers are sent from people who have died to show that they have arrived safely the otherside. My Dad did not believe this - he poohpoohed any such suggestion. When it became clear that he was dying Mum was joking with him that he must send her a big black feather to prove that it was really him and that he was safe. The day he died I returned home to find a large black feather on my doorstep. The day of his funeral, as we escorted his coffin to the graveside, we had to walk a gravelled path. Sticking upright out of it was another huge black feather. He was carried right over it, I still have it. Coincidence? Probably, but until anyone can prove to me that there is NO life after I'm gonna keep on believing they were from Dad. Sinead >>> Socks, >>> [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >> > How old are you Socks? 52 > Let me tell you a little story - it means nothing much to those > outside our family, but it a great comfort. (snip) Thanks for the story. I told my pscychologist that I expected an Irish wake, and he would know there was life after death if I jostled his elbow and made him spill his drink. Signature"...Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in one pretty and well preserved piece, but to slide across the finish line broadside, thoroughly used up, worn out, leaking oil, and shouting GERONIMO!!!" -- Bill McKenna, date unknown > "...Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving > safely in one pretty and well preserved piece, but to slide across the > finish line broadside, thoroughly used up, worn out, leaking oil, and > shouting GERONIMO!!!" -- Bill McKenna, date unknown Well said that man! I plan to follow the female version: "Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways - Champagne in one hand, chocolate in the other - body thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and screaming - WOO HOO! What a Ride!" I found it in alt.grief belive it or not!! Take care Socks - you are in my thoughts Sinead agent01413@my-deja.com said... > I get to find out if there really is life after death probably before the > year is out. There had better be, in that case. I don't recall giving you permission to go anywhere before Christmas. And you /certainly/ don't have permission from me not to come over here when it's a tad warmer so you can play in the rather pathetic (compared with yours) hills we've got in Wales. SignatureIf you can keep your head when all around are losing theirs... then you've failed to grasp some important aspect of the situation. > agent01413@my-deja.com said... >> I get to find out if there really is life after death probably before [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > here when it's a tad warmer so you can play in the rather > pathetic (compared with yours) hills we've got in Wales. I was wondering about that. I just got an invite to visit San Francisco in early May as well. I have to time it with our legislature getting out of session as well. They adjourn sine die on May 11. I'm working a couple of bills that may be among those being fought over 2 hours before adjournment on May 11. That may put the kibosh on the SF trip since that one is locked into a specific long weekend. That is getting me to narrow my target dates though. Signature"...Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in one pretty and well preserved piece, but to slide across the finish line broadside, thoroughly used up, worn out, leaking oil, and shouting GERONIMO!!!" -- Bill McKenna, date unknown > I've been fighting this since May 2001. I'm at the point where there > are things in June and July I really want to be around for that I have > my doubts about making. I wish I believed in some sort of life after > death so that I could just show up for them. I don't know if there is a sort of life after death but one thing that I do know for sure is that love and memories are with us for eternity. Hats off to you Socks, you bear your battle with immense bravery judging by your posts and I hope you are around for a long time to come. Warm Hugs Alayne > > I've been fighting this since May 2001. I'm at the point where there > > are things in June and July I really want to be around for that I have > > my doubts about making. I wish I believed in some sort of life after > > death so that I could just show up for them. Socks, I hope you are around for the events. As for life after death, I am now a firm believer. The last weeks of my spouse's life, he was seeing things. You might say he was hallucinating because of a religious upbringing or such. That was not the case. He always was a skeptic about heaven or an after life. He smiled and told me his brother had come to visit one day when I walked into his bedroom - the brother who had passed many years prior. He smiled and said "Angels" and looked up and towards the side of his bed, one day. He mentioned heaven and looked toward the foot of his bed and said "people" I asked him if that was his Mom, but he did not answer. No we are not, and have not been deeply involved with any church or religious organization. He had NEVER to my knowlege ever mentioned Heaven or Angels in our long 63 year acquaintance and marriage. So I believe! I believe that nothing is ever destroyed, but just changes form. Science even tells us that. We built our home together where I still live, and I feel his presence all around me as I am wrapped in the arms of this home he toiled to perfect. I hope he has moved on though to enjoy being reunited with his friends and family already on the further leg of their journey in the other world. Death is inevitable, if there is life. I send you my best wishes. eveline My father had a similar experience during open heart surgery. His story is so classic that is almost ubiquetious........he saw himself floating over the table while the surgeons struggled to revive him. My sister had gotten a call from the hospital during his surgery that he was in trouble and they thought they were losing him. She never told either of my parents about this phone call, he came through and the surgeons never mentioned the incident on the operating table to my family.....but Dad *knew* that this had happened and that he had a close call. He was a skeptic, too... "Barbara" <babslt@aol.com> wrote in news:1109357379.762414.6620 @g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com: > My father had a similar experience during open heart surgery. His story > is so classic that is almost ubiquetious........he saw himself floating [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > He was a skeptic, too... I'm convinced those stories are misfiring synapses. We'll see what happens when I get there. Hate to spill a good scotch to prove a point though. Signature"...Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in one pretty and well preserved piece, but to slide across the finish line broadside, thoroughly used up, worn out, leaking oil, and shouting GERONIMO!!!" -- Bill McKenna, date unknown >"Barbara" <babslt@aol.com> wrote in news:1109357379.762414.6620 >@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com: [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >We'll see what happens when I get there. Hate to spill a good scotch to >prove a point though. I have been there twice although I was heavily drugged at the time I remember fighting to keep breathing and being angry and then my chest stopped pumping and I thought that was it but I heard the air still going into my lungs from the machine and I knew I had won. The second time I was amused by all the fuss my wife and kids were making and it was just too easy to let go and sleep and I so nearly did but my daughter got hold of my pyjama lapels and shook me and that brought me back to my senses. There was never any pain or visions of another life or of being on the ceiling looking down for me. pete I think there's been some medical research on the Out of Body phenomenon that seems to indicate it is a chemical experience. No big deal for me though. I have other reasons for believing after I'm dead (soon) that I will continue, not the least of which is the absolute absurdity of the universe it all if there is is this life. What's the point of life if it's not eternal? May as well cut your wrists as soon as you reach the age of reason. My opinion anyway. But I think I am right and you have every right to be wrong. ;-) --Joe >>"Barbara" <babslt@aol.com> wrote in news:1109357379.762414.6620 >>@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com: [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] >or of being on the ceiling looking down for me. >pete _________________________________ "Take a little 5FU, leucovorin and oxaliplatin for thy stomach's sake." -- 1 Timothy 5:23 (adapted) >I think there's been some medical research on the Out of Body >phenomenon that seems to indicate it is a chemical experience. it has happened often enough to suggest that few doubt the experience, and it is assumed to be a result of chemical changes in the brain as a result of near death. > No big >deal for me though. I have other reasons for believing after I'm dead [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >right and you have every right to be wrong. ;-) >--Joe I'm pretty skeptical too, and Dad's doctor blamed it on the drugs...but the only thng that gave my pause was that he witnessed something that happened when he was under anesthesia ( the surgical team's effort to revive him) even though he was never told that he had a close call during surgery. Barbara babslt@aol.com said... > I'm pretty skeptical too, and Dad's doctor blamed it on the drugs...but > the only thng that gave my pause was that he witnessed something that > happened when he was under anesthesia ( the surgical team's effort to > revive him) even though he was never told that he had a close call > during surgery. Sometimes things happen that can't be explained rationally. I think that at those times we have to suspend disbelief and just go with the flow. It's only happened to me once: something happened to someone I loved very much and at the same time I was taken ill with the same symptoms. No one's ever been able to explain it, and to be honest if anyone else had reported the same thing I'd have been as sceptical as everyone else. It's only because it happened to me that I know it happened, if you see what I mean. I can't explain it, and I don't expect it to ever happen again. SignatureIf you can keep your head when all around are losing theirs... then you've failed to grasp some important aspect of the situation. > Sometimes things happen that can't be explained rationally. I > think that at those times we have to suspend disbelief and > just go with the flow. Yes, why not! My Red was very alert when he seemed to be seeing all the apparations. Then when he WAS breathing his last few breaths the last day, my daughter said, "I'll bet he up above and can see you hugging and kissing him goodbye. ......... and MAYBE so. eveline I was a repeater ... having near death experiences for some 20 years - 5 days here and there ... they were all medically induced it seems. My total time on the otherside is about 2 months or so ...I stoped counting the NDEs at ten and just did them. The otherside is real ... and if you ever get a chance to have an NDE and get your ticket punched to have a look - go ahead and do so - they just think more clearer and love deeper on the otherside ... they are people just like you and me ... the kingdom of God is at hand - all you have to do is grasp it - it is right in front of you 24 hours a day - even if it is blue and black ... mash on the fire ... tears on the water ... whisher on a scream ... it don't mean a thing ... sumbuddie on da watchtower :) > Socks, > [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > eveline Hi Socks, Joe here. Been on vacation and missed the group. I am praying hard that your wishes come true and that the pain is manageable. Bad enough to have a terminal illness, and to suffer excruciatingly with it. This sucks. Those of us with Stage IV inevitably have some hard thinking to do and face questions that don't seem to have answers. " I wish I believed in some sort of life after > death so that I could just show up for them." I'm not a preachy person but this is a true story that happened to me. I was floored when I was told I had Stage IV crc. The resection went well and then the chemo had to start. I was petrified. On the way to the hospital for the first treatment I was mourning my fate. My wife was driving. While ramping up to the interstate we got stuck behind an 18 wheeler car-carrier just lumbering along. "Great" I thought, "late for my first chemo." Then we got stuck in traffic behind the truck. I was white-knuckled. Then my wife notices a bumper sticker on the back of the truck. Two simple words "Trust God." Sheesh! I'm like shell-shocked. Never seen a bumper sticker like it before (and I do read them) and never seen one like it since. But it was there when I needed it. Anthony Flew used to be the unbeliever par excel lance. His works were standard reading on the arguments against God in my old philosophy classes. Recently he changed his mind. If you're scholastically-minded, perhaps his thinking may be of help. http://biola.edu/antonyflew/ --Joe >>> I'm on 120 mg of morphine twice a day, with 60 mg at noon. Add in as >>> much ibuprofen as my liver and kidneys can handle. So here's the [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] >my doubts about making. I wish I believed in some sort of life after >death so that I could just show up for them. _________________________________ "Take a little 5FU, leucovorin and irenotecan for thy stomach's sake." -- 1 Timothy 5:23 (adapted) My onc wants to go to the patches, but they cost about $1200 for a 2 >>month supply and aren't covered by medicare. >> >>I assume the liquid morphine is covered. I am on time release pills. I >>wonder if liquid would work differently somehow. Liquid anything is >>generally faster, is it not? Slow release formulas are for relieving 'general constant' pain. The liquid morphine is for quick relief of extra (breakthrough) pain. As long as morphine works it is a fine analgaesia but sometimes the gut stops absorbing very well and patches are an alternative (though very expensive ) alternative. MIKE > My onc wants to go to the patches, but they cost about $1200 for a 2 >>>month supply and aren't covered by medicare. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > expensive ) alternative. > MIKE Mike My dad had real problems with the patches - his body was sucking the morphine out of them and therefore what should have been a 48 hour patch was lasting 24. He was using his liquid morphine to counter the breakthrough pain, and could not understand why he had to increase this. The patches were bone dry when the palliative nurse came and she referred him back to the onc who changed him back to the tabs. He had real problems with constipation, and bearing in mind he had colorectal cancer and a colostomy he was in agony through it. Cheers Sinead >> Slow release formulas are for relieving 'general constant' pain. The >> liquid morphine is for quick relief of extra (breakthrough) pain. [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > Cheers > Sinead Just as poor absorption in the gut can be a problem some people don't absorb through the skin. Sweating is one reason but not the only one. Fentanyl patches are designed to last 3 days but sometimes need to be changed 2nd daily. There are other opioid drugs such as hydromorphone, oxycodone, methadone that can be used as alternatives when others don't work. If oral or transdermal routes are ineffective then continuous infusion via subcutaneous syringe driver would be indicated for pain and other symptom control. MIKE (palliative care nurse) Sinead@invalid.anon said... Aarrghhh! As .sigs go that one is /far/ too long - but I *love* it! May I borrow it please to post elsewhere where it will be appreciated by a group of insaniacs whose grip on reality has probably always been tenuous at best? Please? SignatureIf you can keep your head when all around are losing theirs... then you've failed to grasp some important aspect of the situation. > Sinead@invalid.anon said... >> > Aarrghhh! As .sigs go that one is /far/ too long - but I > *love* it! May I borrow it please to post elsewhere where it > will be appreciated by a group of insaniacs whose grip on > reality has probably always been tenuous at best? Please? Emily, I am flattered that you have attributed the above masterpiece to me, but it is all Socks work. Cheers Sinead >> Aarrghhh! As .sigs go that one is /far/ too long - but I >> *love* it! May I borrow it please to post elsewhere where it [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > I am flattered that you have attributed the above masterpiece to me, > but it is all Socks work. It was not my work. I unabashedly stole it. I went looking for where, and found it posted in news.admin.net-abuse.email in December. Someone there calling himself NoJags Neil attributed it to someone in his office. That quote was in retaliation for a different sig that read: ----- "This document and any attachments contain information that you may share freely with the world. It is not confidential or proprietary. If we had wanted the contents to be secret, we would not have sent the message! If you are not the intended recipient, you are free to print this message and pass it around the office in the form of a paper airplane: we don't care. If you received this message in error, we're sorry about that. Don't bother telling us - we have enough problems already." I'm convinced that one of the big benefits of open source is that the humor gets widely distributed. I'm like anyone else though - if I wrote it, I'd want credit. However, the only thing I wrote that made it into wide distribution was a spammer's version of the night before christmas that I published in 1999. Signature"...Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in one pretty and well preserved piece, but to slide across the finish line broadside, thoroughly used up, worn out, leaking oil, and shouting GERONIMO!!!" -- Bill McKenna, date unknown Sinead@invalid.anon said... > Those with an overwhelming fear of the unknown > >> > will [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > I am flattered that you have attributed the above masterpiece to me, but it > is all Socks work. Ooops! Sorry, I don't know how that happened. SignatureIf you can keep your head when all around are losing theirs... then you've failed to grasp some important aspect of the situation. > Sinead@invalid.anon said... >> > Aarrghhh! As .sigs go that one is /far/ too long - but I > *love* it! May I borrow it please to post elsewhere where it > will be appreciated by a group of insaniacs whose grip on > reality has probably always been tenuous at best? Please? That's mine. I dont know where I stole it from, so you can steal it from me. I agree that it is too long, and I have discontinued it. Signature"...Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in one pretty and well preserved piece, but to slide across the finish line broadside, thoroughly used up, worn out, leaking oil, and shouting GERONIMO!!!" -- Bill McKenna, date unknown Dude ... get some high quality medical marijuana ... a couple of puffs and you will find out real soon if it works for you ... and it is easy to dose with inhalation therapy ... eating it is always a dice game of not making it work or being really sh.t faced until you find out how to work the dose calculations and cooking. With organic body pain ... even percodans will not cut direct nerve pain ... where the brain or the CNS is directly burned or crushed and the like. Get some good pot ... also traditional 5 element accupuncture is a help. 90% of pain is emotional to my 20 years of cut poison and burn ... but the other 10% is a real bitch sometimes ... my back is up against the wall ... cry every day just to get though the pain of the muscles spasms to make a life ... if medical marijuana was not in my doctors bag ... it would be real hell. A life so difficult that ending life of the bodybag I live in and going to the otherside started to look real attractive ... you know what I mean there guy ... Marijuana is a good thing to try out if you have not already ... all my best ... sumbuddie who cares :) > I'm on 120 mg of morphine twice a day, with 60 mg at noon. Add in as much > ibuprofen as my liver and kidneys can handle. So here's the question. A [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > It's not like I am ever going to be cured of the cancer or be justified in > stopping the morphine, so addiction is not really a viable concern for me. > I'm on 120 mg of morphine twice a day, with 60 mg at noon. Add in as much > ibuprofen as my liver and kidneys can handle. So here's the question. A > couple of times I've been unable to sleep for pain. I've found that upping > my nighttime dosage just 30 mg is all it takes to get me to sleep and get > rid of the pain, but it gets hard to wake up in the morning. AM I running > any risks? Could be cancer fatigue setting in. Could be apnea/respiratory depression http://www.rxlist.com/cgi/generic/ms_ad.htm Is it the same, if you sleep sitting/propped up? Or better? If the latter, a CPAP/bipap might help. There's even light travel models. I can find you some info about that. J >> I'm on 120 mg of morphine twice a day, with 60 mg at noon. Add in as >> much ibuprofen as my liver and kidneys can handle. So here's the [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > models. I can find you some info about that. > J It is better sitting up. My energy level also seems to have picked back up. That may be because a few things have hit the fan in the last 24-48 hours on about three different political fronts, and I can't afford to sleep all morning. Signature"...Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in one pretty and well preserved piece, but to slide across the finish line broadside, thoroughly used up, worn out, leaking oil, and shouting GERONIMO!!!" -- Bill McKenna, date unknown > >> I'm on 120 mg of morphine twice a day, with 60 mg at noon. Add in as > >> much ibuprofen as my liver and kidneys can handle. So here's the [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > a few things have hit the fan in the last 24-48 hours on about three > different political fronts, and I can't afford to sleep all morning. How's Socks doing? J >> My energy level also seems to have picked back up. That may be because >> a few things have hit the fan in the last 24-48 hours on about three >> different political fronts, and I can't afford to sleep all morning. > > How's Socks doing? > J testified on a water bill this afternoon. tomorrow i testify on a solid waste bill. the water bill actually gets voted on this Wednesday. off for the Carib on Friday. Signature"...Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in one pretty and well preserved piece, but to slide across the finish line broadside, thoroughly used up, worn out, leaking oil, and shouting GERONIMO!!!" -- Bill McKenna, date unknown agent01413@my-deja.com said... > off for > the Carib on Friday. Enjoy yourselves. I was starting to get worried about you because you were sounding so down - which doesn't seem like you really. Glad you seem to be feeling a tad better :-) SignatureIf you can keep your head when all around are losing theirs... then you've failed to grasp some important aspect of the situation. Emily <emily@privacy.net> wrote in news:MPG.1c9857eaef8b4be198bd31 @news.individual.net: > agent01413@my-deja.com said... >> off for [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > because you were sounding so down - which doesn't seem like > you really. Glad you seem to be feeling a tad better :-) Sorry. getting to the point where i am down. last bone scan is starting to show that it is spreading more. C/T ordered. zometa discontinued because it wasnt accomplishing anything. Signature"...Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in one pretty and well preserved piece, but to slide across the finish line broadside, thoroughly used up, worn out, leaking oil, and shouting GERONIMO!!!" -- Bill McKenna, date unknown > Sorry. getting to the point where i am down. last bone scan is starting > to > show that it is spreading more. C/T ordered. zometa discontinued because > it wasnt accomplishing anything. Socks, Have a wonderful holiday - make it count. With my very best wishes (and severe envy re the carib cruise) Sinead > Emily <emily@privacy.net> wrote in news:MPG.1c9857eaef8b4be198bd31 > @news.individual.net: [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > show that it is spreading more. C/T ordered. zometa discontinued because > it wasnt accomplishing anything. Some of it can be arthritic apparently Bone metastasis. Halfway down mentions some other therapies. http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.support.cancer.prostate/msg/c28befb62f6975d9 Some of these mention lung. Wonder if anyone on the ACOR lung list ever tried these? Might be worth asking? <http://www.drugdigest.org/DD/DVH/Uses/0,3915,8118%7CSamarium+153+Lexidronam,00.html> http://www.auntminnie.com/index.asp?sec=ref&sub=ncm&pag=tum&itemid=53764 http://www.bbriefings.com/pdf/1134/ben-yosef.pdf http://www.medicinenet.com/strontium-89_chloride-intravenous/article.htm http://www.jr2.ox.ac.uk/bandolier/booth/painpag/Chronrev/Cancer/CP084.html http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/druginfo/medmaster/a601004.html They're in cliniical trials (for prostate) Longshot...ask after your cruise. J >> Sorry. getting to the point where i am down. last bone scan is >> starting to show that it is spreading more. C/T ordered. zometa [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.support.cancer.prostate/msg/c28 > befb62f6975d9 i'm sorry. teh pain has increased so much in the last 48 hours that i think this might really be it. i've hung on, but i think there's a chance of not making it back from the cruise. if i don't know that i've appreciated the advice and support here. my onc wants me to do a C/T. I scheduled it for after the cruise, but I am going to try to move it up to tomorrow. Signature"...Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in one pretty and well preserved piece, but to slide across the finish line broadside, thoroughly used up, worn out, leaking oil, and shouting GERONIMO!!!" -- Bill McKenna, date unknown >>> Sorry. getting to the point where i am down. last bone scan is >>> starting to show that it is spreading more. C/T ordered. zometa [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > my onc wants me to do a C/T. I scheduled it for after the cruise, but I am > going to try to move it up to tomorrow. My thoughts are with you Sinead > >> Sorry. getting to the point where i am down. last bone scan is > >> starting to show that it is spreading more. C/T ordered. zometa [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > my onc wants me to do a C/T. I scheduled it for after the cruise, but I am > going to try to move it up to tomorrow. samarium-153 (less toxic) or Strontium 89 therapy for painful bony metastases ? chemo if it's your liver (one last try ) ? hospice? As far as I know you don't die from bone mets or pain? I don't pray socks, but I'll be hoping you're wrong and there's a solution for more time, less pain. If you're right, Socks, you'll be sorely missed here. I suppose it is fitting that you "sail out" on a cruise, since you sailed in on a "white horse". Until we meet again... J agent01413@my-deja.com said... > i'm sorry. teh pain has increased so much in the last 48 hours that i think > this might really be it. i've hung on, but i think there's a chance of not > making it back from the cruise. if i don't know that i've appreciated the > advice and support here. ??? No. You cannot just go swanning off on a cruise and not come back again. Not allowed. Get a pain management team on board please, because you've got a holiday to the UK in May to plan yet... Much love to you both from all of us, F, C, R, C, N, T & E SignatureIf you can keep your head when all around are losing theirs... then you've failed to grasp some important aspect of the situation. > >> Sorry. getting to the point where i am down. last bone scan is > >> starting to show that it is spreading more. C/T ordered. zometa [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > my onc wants me to do a C/T. I scheduled it for after the cruise, but I am > going to try to move it up to tomorrow. Thinking of you Socks and hoping that a swift change in pain meds. can ease some of your pain. Hang tough buddy and know that we are all here for you. Warm Hugs Alayne >> i'm sorry. teh pain has increased so much in the last 48 hours that i > think [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > ease some of your pain. Hang tough buddy and know that we are all > here for you. It was bound to happen eventually. History will show that I didn't go quietly, or passively, or without a struggle. I have no regrets over fighting it as long as I did, and would do the same again. I may rebound on the cruise, and fight it for another two years. Or I finally get to find out for real what comes next. Signature"...Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in one pretty and well preserved piece, but to slide across the finish line broadside, thoroughly used up, worn out, leaking oil, and shouting GERONIMO!!!" -- Bill McKenna, date unknown >>> i'm sorry. teh pain has increased so much in the last 48 hours that i >> think [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > I may rebound on the cruise, and fight it for another two years. Or I > finally get to find out for real what comes next. Have a drink for me, Socks "Steph" <steph@vancouver.island> wrote in news:4DbYd.640075$6l.378049 @pd7tw2no: > Have a drink for me, Socks only one? Signature"...Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in one pretty and well preserved piece, but to slide across the finish line broadside, thoroughly used up, worn out, leaking oil, and shouting GERONIMO!!!" -- Bill McKenna, date unknown >"Steph" <steph@vancouver.island> wrote in news:4DbYd.640075$6l.378049 >@pd7tw2no: > >> Have a drink for me, Socks > >only one? No, I cannot drink so have a real load for me too but enjoy it more than I used too. Happy cruising and boozing Socks and I'll catch ya when you return to rejuvenate after the cruise;-) pete > "Steph" <steph@vancouver.island> wrote in news:4DbYd.640075$6l.378049 > @pd7tw2no: > >> Have a drink for me, Socks > > only one? A VERY large one........... >>> Sorry. getting to the point where i am down. last bone scan is >>> starting to show that it is spreading more. C/T ordered. zometa [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >my onc wants me to do a C/T. I scheduled it for after the cruise, but I am >going to try to move it up to tomorrow. Come on OM. We are all rooting for you here. Have a good cruise and I'll catch you afterwards. pete peterturtill@hotmail.com said... > We are all rooting for you here. Have a good cruise and > I'll catch you afterwards. Wotesed. 'Sides which, I'd hate all my efforts at cleaning and tidying the house to be in vain! Come on, we're really looking forward to your visit and we're really seriously looking forward to meeting you and Figgertoes at long last. Crikey, if this is the effect I have on people I'd better stop posting! SignatureIf you can keep your head when all around are losing theirs... then you've failed to grasp some important aspect of the situation. agent01413@my-deja.com said... > > Enjoy yourselves. I was starting to get worried about you > > because you were sounding so down - which doesn't seem like [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > show that it is spreading more. C/T ordered. zometa discontinued because > it wasnt accomplishing anything. You don't have to apologise. Heck, if you want to be down you be as down as you like. I can't imagine me being half as patient as you've been over the last few years/months/weeks... Have some {{{{{hugs}}}}} though from all of us here and share them with Figgertoes. SignatureIf you can keep your head when all around are losing theirs... then you've failed to grasp some important aspect of the situation. > Emily <emily@privacy.net> wrote in news:MPG.1c9857eaef8b4be198bd31 > @news.individual.net: [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > show that it is spreading more. C/T ordered. zometa discontinued because > it wasnt accomplishing anything. I am sorry to hear that Socks, is there anything that we can do to cheer you up a bit? Hopefully your cruise will raise your spirits and until then the good days outweigh the bad. Warm Hugs Alayne > I'm on 120 mg of morphine twice a day, with 60 mg at noon. Add in as much > ibuprofen as my liver and kidneys can handle. So here's the question. A [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > rid of the pain, but it gets hard to wake up in the morning. AM I running > any risks? No! Morphine for most cancer patients is the safest drug they take. I tell my patients to take their 'breakthrough (b/t) dose when the pain starts or half an hour before doing anything they know will cause pain. If the pain hasn't gone or significantly reduced in 20-30 minutes repeat the dose. If it still hasn't gone after the second dose they can call the nurse because either they need an injection or the b/t dose is too small. Even if they kept repeating the dose the worst that will happen is they will become sedated and fall asleep during which time the morphine will be eliminated from their system. This is only true for short acting morphine. Slow release fomulas should not be used in this way. Socks, your daily dose of morphine totals 300mg. Your b/t dose should be 1/6th of this which is 50mg. Why do you take a noon dose as slow release fomulas last 12 hours and shoud normally be taken twice daily i.e. 150mg b.d. in your case. This would give you a higher overnight dose which may see you through. If nighttime is a problem you could even weight the balance so you take more at night though using the liquid morphine as you do is the way I would recomend. people are often bothered more by pain at night simply because there are no distractions. MIKE > people are often bothered more by pain at night simply because there are no > distractions. I sometimes leave the TV on low-volume, seems to help. If that doesn't, I'll go talk to Socks. That'll bore him to sleep :-) J >> people are often bothered more by pain at night simply because there are >> no [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > If that doesn't, I'll go talk to Socks. That'll bore him to sleep :-) > J Yes, I think it is important to have a good nights sleep. Though I dont have pain as such at night, I am uncomfortable with ascites. If I lay awake, the worst part is my brain wont stop thinking. I find for me its best to watch TV or even go online for awhile, then when I go back to bed I sleep, despite not being bored by J!!! Sam > "J" <auteur@anon.invalid> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > not being bored by J!!! > Sam Thanks Sam. You'll never know the giggles that caused here. Remembering. I can get wordy...I'm known to accompany people while they're bathing and continue the conversation. Sometimes I bore myself which I'm doing right now. <g> I meant to say, other "white noise" works too, like a fan or music. I woke up today to some quack ranting on tv, so choose your channels carefullly. Some of the morning TV exercisers are interesting and nice to watch. :-) Hugs to you, Sam J > I meant to say, other "white noise" works too, like a fan or music. > I woke up today to some quack ranting on tv, so choose your channels > carefullly. > > Some of the morning TV exercisers are interesting and nice to watch. > :-) I awoke one morning to a tape of Bush's inaugural speech. Another time there was an interview with a state senator about a bill that sounded great, but had died in committee two days earlier. Yeah, I listen to Air America for my white noise. Signature"...Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in one pretty and well preserved piece, but to slide across the finish line broadside, thoroughly used up, worn out, leaking oil, and shouting GERONIMO!!!" -- Bill McKenna, date unknown quote<<Yes, I think it is important to have a good nights sleep. Though I dont have pain as such at night, I am uncomfortable with ascites. If I lay awake, the worst part is my brain wont stop thinking.>>quote You know, my Mom's doctor prescribed (off label, off course) a REALLY small dose of an anti-schizophrenic med (Risperdal, IIRC) for insomnia. She says it works wonderfully, it's like an OFF switch for all those thoughts that ultimately end up keeping her awake and since it's not a narcotic ( I'm not even sure drowsiness is considered a side effect of the drug) there's no morning grogginess. Barbar > Yes, I think it is important to have a good nights sleep. Though I dont have > pain as such at night, I am uncomfortable with ascites. And how is Sam doing with the ascites? Is it uncomfortable trying to stay seated for computer? Hugs to Sam from J > I'm on 120 mg of morphine twice a day, with 60 mg at noon. Add in as much > ibuprofen as my liver and kidneys can handle. So here's the question. A [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > rid of the pain, but it gets hard to wake up in the morning. AM I running > any risks? None at all, Socks > It's not like I am ever going to be cured of the cancer or be justified in > stopping the morphine, so addiction is not really a viable concern for me. Just do it. >> I'm on 120 mg of morphine twice a day, with 60 mg at noon. Add in as >> much ibuprofen as my liver and kidneys can handle. So here's the [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Just do it. Okay, consensus wins. I've upped my dosage without worry. I am going to discuss with the oncologist to see what the other options are. I moved up my onc appt to tomorrow so that I can run off on another Caribbean cruise in a week or so. Don't panic if I suddenly stop responding for a bit. Signature"...Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in one pretty and well preserved piece, but to slide across the finish line broadside, thoroughly used up, worn out, leaking oil, and shouting GERONIMO!!!" -- Bill McKenna, date unknown > I moved up my onc appt to tomorrow so that I can run off on another > Caribbean cruise in a week or so. Don't panic if I suddenly stop > responding for a bit. Thanks socks. noted.. J >>> I'm on 120 mg of morphine twice a day, with 60 mg at noon. Add in as >>> much ibuprofen as my liver and kidneys can handle. So here's the [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > Caribbean cruise in a week or so. Don't panic if I suddenly stop > responding for a bit. Have fun on the cruise!! Over here the rain is pouring and it is cold, I shall think of you in the sun next week Sinead agent01413@my-deja.com said... > I moved up my onc appt to tomorrow so that I can run off on another > Caribbean cruise in a week or so. Please sir, can I carry your bags sir? ;-) > Don't panic if I suddenly stop responding for a bit. OK, but only if you get a signed note from your parent/guardian saying that you have leave to go on holiday during term time. SignatureIf you can keep your head when all around are losing theirs... then you've failed to grasp some important aspect of the situation. > agent01413@my-deja.com said... >> I moved up my onc appt to tomorrow so that I can run off on another [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > parent/guardian saying that you have leave to go on holiday > during term time. My onc wanted to carry the bags. He also sat me down with a pain management expert today and adjusted dosages. We'll see how things work out. Signature"...Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in one pretty and well preserved piece, but to slide across the finish line broadside, thoroughly used up, worn out, leaking oil, and shouting GERONIMO!!!" -- Bill McKenna, date unknown agent01413@my-deja.com said... > > agent01413@my-deja.com said... > >> I moved up my onc appt to tomorrow so that I can run off on another [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > My onc wanted to carry the bags. I'll bet he did! Go on - you enjoy yourselves. Seems to me that when you know that life isn't going to go on for ever it's high time to do all those things you said you'd do 'one day'. 'One day' has come - so do it. But make sure you come back safely - I'd hate all the house tidying and cleaning to be in vain... ;-) > He also sat me down with a pain management expert today and adjusted > dosages. We'll see how things work out. Excellent. Fingers crossed. Incidentally, for everyone else here - This has been mentioned before, but just to reiterate: Socks and Figgertoes are plotting a Welsh holiday sometime in May. Once they've got definite dates worked out one of us will let you know here because everyone's invited who can make it for a get-together in south Wales. Anyone with a child phobia had better be warned though that I've got a few of my own and if Alayne brings her girls (Alayne? Are you up for this one?) there'll be a regular zoo of the things. To compensate, however, there is an excellent ice cream place a few minutes' drive away, and a ditto selection of takeaways within normal walking distance. Interested? Watch this space... SignatureIf you can keep your head when all around are losing theirs... then you've failed to grasp some important aspect of the situation. Emily <emily@privacy.net> wrote in news:MPG.1c9028aacc5335b898bcf3 @news.individual.net: > Incidentally, for everyone else here - This has been mentioned > before, but just to reiterate: > Socks and Figgertoes are plotting a Welsh holiday sometime in > May. Once they've got definite dates worked out one of us > will let you know here because everyone's invited who can make > it for a get-together in south Wales. Our legislature adjourns sine die on May 8, so I won't be coming any sooner than that. Lobbying will be intense until the last minute. I also have an invite to an event in San Francisco May 19-20 for which the airplane ticket and lodging are paid. There is some heavy lobbying going on at a high level for me to go there. My sticking point is that figgertoes is now out of work. That makes paid trips to Europe a touch problematic. Signature"...Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in one pretty and well preserved piece, but to slide across the finish line broadside, thoroughly used up, worn out, leaking oil, and shouting GERONIMO!!!" -- Bill McKenna, date unknown > My sticking point is that figgertoes is now out of work. That makes paid > trips to Europe a touch problematic. Got anything you can sell on ebay? Use your imagination. You'd be surprised what some would buy or bid on. There's an ex-stripper selling one of her 2HH implants. The bidding was at $71, then whoops, it jumped to $1,430.00, then over $2,000..<g> I also saw a guy on sci.med whose been living, for the past two years, off things he's sold on ebay.. J fce@anon.invalid said... > > My sticking point is that figgertoes is now out of work. That makes paid > > trips to Europe a touch problematic. > > Got anything you can sell on ebay? Use your imagination. > You'd be surprised what some would buy or bid on. Amazing, isn't it. If you've got any old household packages like old soap boxes, chocolate wrappers, old jars, tins etc - they don't have to be full - they're selling like popularly selling things. And badges. Nothing in particular, just badges. You could probably flog an old non-working lawnmower or a ball of string. After all, there's one born every minute...[1] :-) > There's an ex-stripper selling one of her 2HH implants. > The bidding was at $71, then whoops, it jumped to $1,430.00, then over > $2,000..<g> Gracious! [1] Mind, I'm a fine one to talk - I have a small collection of Marmite memorabilia which I've augmented from eBay, and my elder daughter collects thimbles. SignatureIf you can keep your head when all around are losing theirs... then you've failed to grasp some important aspect of the situation. > fce@anon.invalid said... > > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > or a ball of string. After all, there's one born every > minute...[1] :-) :-) well, I had other things in mind, since Socks has some notoriety...made a name for himself in RL I was thinking that perhaps some of the items he saved (over the years) might of interest as a collection, may have potential to have much more value into the future...and Socks may be willing to part with.. However, hold the fort, I've just been working on perhaps another idea... I have to wait and see now, if there's a response to a question I put to some who may have the ability and power to make things happen. > > There's an ex-stripper selling one of her 2HH implants. > > The bidding was at $71, then whoops, it jumped to $1,430.00, then over > > $2,000..<g> > > Gracious! I forgot to mention that they're not in her body <g> What was the gracious about? the size? the item? or the bids? <smile> > [1] Mind, I'm a fine one to talk - I have a small collection > of Marmite memorabilia which I've augmented from eBay, and my > elder daughter collects thimbles. I like collections (in other peoples homes). Otherwise I consider them dust-collectors :-) And I'm allergic to dust, so things come in here, they leave almost as quickly to someone else. Marmite is a food? Thimbles take me back quite some time. My grandmas had some very beautiful ones from UK. They would be over a century old now, so hopefully they're in a home where they're being appreciated. (I have no idea what happened to them..sadly) A friend of mine collects mice <g> and I'm not talking about a cat. Everywhere I go, I look for a particular positioned *of wood or marble or bronze* mouse for on her fireplace mantle. It's got to be laying flat on it's stomach, with paws slightly over the edge of the mantlepiece.. No luck so far. J >> fce@anon.invalid said... >> > [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > question I put to some who may have the ability and power to make > things happen. Old T-shirts, bumper stickers, campaign buttons tend not to sell well when I have them left over in the quantities that I have them in. I can sell one old campaign button for 25USD. A bag of 200 left over might fetch a total of 30USD. I just sent two of my campaign t-shirts to a niece with the same last name to wear around campus next fall - she starts at the Univ of Missouri, but I doubt they'd have much value. I've been known to wear a hat or t-shirt to political functions just to rattle cages on occasion. There are benefits to vagueness on things like the year you're running or the office you're running for on campaign materials. My box of 13 year old pens have mostly stopped writing. I do have some memorabilia from the time I was an election observer in Honduras. That was after my Congressional run. It started as a simple vacation, but my friends know how I hate run of the mill simple vacations. That was an intriguing week. Does Wales have secessionists? Are they active enough to prove entertaining? I could talk to one of my local papers about doing a think piece on them, and get them to pay for the ticket. Signature"...Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in one pretty and well preserved piece, but to slide across the finish line broadside, thoroughly used up, worn out, leaking oil, and shouting GERONIMO!!!" -- Bill McKenna, date unknown > Does Wales have secessionists? Are they active enough to prove > entertaining? I could talk to one of my local papers about doing a think > piece on them, and get them to pay for the ticket. Socks, ask Emily about "Come home to a real fire..........buy a holiday cottage in Wales" > Socks, ask Emily about "Come home to a real fire..........buy a > holiday cottage in Wales" You're cruel ;) The reference is proly lost on outsiders :-/ Alf (An insider:) steph@vancouver.island said... > > Does Wales have secessionists? Are they active enough to prove > > entertaining? I could talk to one of my local papers about doing a think > > piece on them, and get them to pay for the ticket. > > Socks, ask Emily about "Come home to a real fire..........buy a holiday > cottage in Wales" *Giggle* That, though, was way back in the 1970s. Still raises a guffaw or three here[1] though. [1] In this particular house, at least SignatureIf you can keep your head when all around are losing theirs... then you've failed to grasp some important aspect of the situation. agent01413@my-deja.com said... > Does Wales have secessionists? Yes... > Are they active enough to prove > entertaining? They certainly used to be; not sure whether or not they are not, or to put it another way, I'm not sure if they're *publicly* that way inclined these days. > I could talk to one of my local papers about doing a think > piece on them, and get them to pay for the ticket. We could probably find a few... SignatureIf you can keep your head when all around are losing theirs... then you've failed to grasp some important aspect of the situation. > agent01413@my-deja.com said... > > Does Wales have secessionists? [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > We could probably find a few... What's the history of Plaid Cymru ? auteur@anon.invalid said... > What's the history of Plaid Cymru ? How long have you got? Aha! http://www.plaidcymru.org/ SignatureIf you can keep your head when all around are losing theirs... then you've failed to grasp some important aspect of the situation. auteur@anon.invalid said... > > fce@anon.invalid said... > > > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > well, I had other things in mind, since Socks has some notoriety...made a name > for himself in RL Aye. All those tins of Kit-e-Kat, or whatever it is the White House feeds its moggies on... ;-) > I was thinking that perhaps some of the items he saved (over the years) might of > interest as a collection, may have potential to have much more value into the [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > I forgot to mention that they're not in her body <g> That will have upset a few people... ;-) > What was the gracious about? the size? the item? or the bids? <smile> The idea that she would sell /one/ of them - quickly followed by a bit of boggling at the price someone was prepared (allegedly) to pay that amount of money... > > [1] Mind, I'm a fine one to talk - I have a small collection > > of Marmite memorabilia which I've augmented from eBay, and my [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > And I'm allergic to dust, so things come in here, they leave almost as quickly to > someone else. <Note to self> Clean and tidy house. Vacuum house. </note> <sub-note> the vacuum is that thing standing gathering dust in the corner. No, not that corner - that's the mop for the kitchen floor - that corner over there. Yes, that's the one. Thing with a plug on. Needs emptying. </sub-note> > Marmite is a food? And a simply marvellous drink. And if you don't like to eat or drink it on its own try adding a bit to soups and stews to give them a bit of flavour. Mmmmm, yummmm. > Thimbles take me back quite some time. My grandmas had some very beautiful ones > from UK. > They would be over a century old now, so hopefully they're in a home where > they're being appreciated. > (I have no idea what happened to them..sadly) Most of Catharine's are quite modern; a couple are older and even fewer are actually useful as thimbles. > A friend of mine collects mice <g> and I'm not talking about a cat. She'd love the hotel I took himself to for his 40th birthday then - the chef has a thing about mice, and specialises in making them out of bread dough. They're everywhere. In the bedrooms, in the foyer, running up (and down) the grandfather clock (naturally - where else would a mouse run?) <g>) http://www.bathspahotel.com/ - but no mention I can find of bread meeces > It's got to be laying flat on it's stomach, with paws slightly over the edge of > the mantlepiece.. > No luck so far. I shall keep my eyes open... SignatureIf you can keep your head when all around are losing theirs... then you've failed to grasp some important aspect of the situation. > auteur@anon.invalid said... > > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > That will have upset a few people... ;-) Yes, well, now that you mention it, the first post didn't say. My imagination ran away with me like "how is she going to get them out?" <g> And/or I'm betting a lot of people will be interested in meeting her (hook up vis ebay). So I had visions many going to bid..and it seems so...unless she's someone "famous". I don't especially know.. > > What was the gracious about? the size? the item? or the bids? <smile> > > The idea that she would sell /one/ of them - quickly followed > by a bit of boggling at the price someone was prepared > (allegedly) to pay that amount of money... Well, I forget now, but I thought a standard size was about $1500. (possibly not including surgery costs etc) > > I like collections (in other peoples homes). Otherwise I consider them > > dust-collectors :-) [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > kitchen floor - that corner over there. Yes, that's the one. > Thing with a plug on. Needs emptying. </sub-note> LOL Hey, don't worry 'bout me. I'm still trying to win a train ticket to the east coast. No luck yet. From there, I'd have to sneak onto a plane. Haven't figured that out yet. <g> > > Marmite is a food? > > And a simply marvellous drink. And if you don't like to eat > or drink it on its own try adding a bit to soups and stews to > give them a bit of flavour. Mmmmm, yummmm. Sounds delicious, but I thought a marmite was an animal... (until I used google) > > Thimbles take me back quite some time. My grandmas had some very beautiful ones > > from UK. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Most of Catharine's are quite modern; a couple are older and > even fewer are actually useful as thimbles. There's some metal ones on ebay - that's what mom had. I'm in love with thimbles <g> There's even one for colorado http://www.collectorsindex.com/other2.htm http://www.sewmanybits.co.uk/home.asp?s=1 Maybe I should send a letter to all my relatives and ask "who got the thinbles? Send them to me right away !". then they'll know for sure that I've lost it..<smile> Thimbles and lightbulbs,always handy... lightbulbs for socks. <snip> Thanks if you ever hear of online, maybe that's something that I would buy. Otherwise I'll keep checking elsewhere. We have a village yard sale every Spring..I must remember to look for thimbles... J > > > Gracious! > > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > by a bit of boggling at the price someone was prepared > (allegedly) to pay that amount of money... Correction and update: They were 69HH and a casino won the bid for $16,766 ! Now, you can say gracious ! J disques@anon.anon said... > > > > Gracious! > > > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Correction and update: They were 69HH and a casino won the bid for $16,766 ! > Now, you can say gracious ! Gracious! Hang on... 69HH??? *69*???? 69 whats, inches? *Boggle* I mean - /why/? And how didn't she fall over every time she leant forward? Baffled. SignatureIf you can keep your head when all around are losing theirs... then you've failed to grasp some important aspect of the situation. |
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