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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Cancer / March 2005J W
To the several people who have written to me privately telling me who "J" is, giving me background information on her, including urls and links to some of her postings throughout the years on other newsgroups and boards, and expressing frustration at losing your badly needed support group; I am very sorry. It doesn't matter how many other newsgroups J goes into and lies about you in; it doesn't matter how many "complaints" she makes to your ISPs or other threats she makes which are ludicruous, and dismissed as coming from someone mentally unbalanced; it doesn't matter if she uses your name spelled backwards in her e-mail addresses; it doesn't matter if she tracks your postings to hell and back--it is all so much ineffectual bullying. Really, it doesn't matter, in the larger scheme of things...which is your recovery. If this group isn't supporting you, then it is not support. Go where there is support. Zee > I am very sorry. You've got lots to feel sorry about. > It doesn't matter how many other newsgroups J goes into and lies about > you in; Zee uncrossposted a thread that Steph was in and convinced (by email) someone by the name of David Wright (on sci.med) that Steph abused her. Since Steph doesn't read that newsgroup and apparently David isn't aware of that and/or did not realize that Zee uncrossposted her whine and blame tactic about Steph, I replied to the post. See my reply debunking her here. http://tinyurl.com/6bn5x She does have lots to be sorry about. I have a proposal for active cancer patients. Vote if you want me to go away. "Active cancer patients" excludes Jerry, Steph, Mike R, excludes Guess Who and excludes trolls, alties and loons,, excludes, Lisa, since her relative passed away and she does not have active cancer, excludes Zee, the "pending cancer patient", leaving the rest of you and Eveline. (one of Zee's groupies, I suspect). Please keep in mind that GuessWho, Lisa and Eveline can get lots of support on the breast cancer newsgroup, but don't ask for it there. Check for yourselves, if you wish. news:alt.support.cancer.breast This vote includes "active cancer patients" and close family. And yes, it includes Barbara (hblites) Jill and Anita are absent due to surgeries. I have Jill's email from today. Jill's vote is she wants me to stay. I don't know about anita, since she's still recovering from surgery. The rest of you vote. I want J to stay. I want J to go. I will continue support, until a week from now, in which time I will count the votes. If you've changed names/emails, identify yourself (type of cancer and/or relationship to), otherwise your count will be ignored. J > I want J to stay. > I want J to go. I'd like to bitch slap both of you and tell you to take your cat fight somewhere else (e-mail?) Post here if you have something to contribute, but take your private battles somewhere else. If you insist on staying here, with your little pissing match, have the courtesy to put "OT' on your subject line when posting  SignatureWARNING: consumption of alcohol may lead you to think people are laughing WITH you. Bob In Carmel, CA >> I am very sorry. > [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > > J Is it fair that you are in charge of the votes that will determine if you go or stay? Some of us dont trust you. I wont vote on this because I believe you will have it turn out to your advantage regardless of how you have to do that. I have just been diagnosed and I feel very uncomfortable here. > Is it fair that you are in charge of the votes that will determine if you go > or stay? Some of us dont trust you. I wont vote on this because I believe > you will have it turn out to your advantage regardless of how you have to do > that. I have just been diagnosed and I feel very uncomfortable here. Fair point: And being new here you only see the current posts. So I'm at an unfair advantage, since you don't see what I've been doing here for years. (which is not all this arguing). Zee bounded in to sci.med.diseases.cancer accusing Steph (our newsgroup oncolgist) of things untrue. Well, I'll ask Jerry if he'll count them, but I may have to remind him (for some) on who's a troll and who the person is that's voting. (if they've changed emails/screen names). So go ahead, introduce yourself, in a separate post, then vote as you think best. PS to the others, please pass the word to the regulars from here, who may be on lists or at ACOR. Thanks, J >> Is it fair that you are in charge of the votes that will determine if you >> go [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > Thanks, > J Agreed, I am new and may not have all the facts. Sorry if I jumped the gun here. > >> I am very sorry. > > [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > Eveline can get lots of support on the breast cancer newsgroup, but don't > > ask for it there. Check for yourselves, if you wish. WELL, I did not want in this, but I resent being called a "GROUPIE". If I called J and Jerry groupies, they would say I was being a troll - or flaming!!! For general information, I do not like the constant criticism of all who do not march to J and Jerrys tune. If anyone disagrees with them they are told to leave and threatened. I have not read all they have posted the last weeks as I have blocked them both from my mailbox. So if they have said something else about me, I have not read it. I have relatives with cancer other than breast cancer, and WHY should J try to get Alex and I (and Lisa) to leave this group? Do we threaten her in some way? I am not asking J and Jerry to leave. I just wish they would leave some of us alone. eveline > I am not asking J and Jerry to leave. I just wish they would leave some > of > us alone. > > eveline Jerry has put lots of work into the cancer supporters web site, he is dealing with cancer. For me "J" has done nothing other than to not give me support and bullies people around. That being said....this is a usenet group, all posts that aren't spam should be allowed. No one here has special status other than those of us who have to deal with cancer- personally or professionally. Alex > > I am not asking J and Jerry to leave. I just wish they would leave some > > of [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > be allowed. No one here has special status other than those of us who have > to deal with cancer- personally or professionally. Alex Jerry having cancer and putting much time into the web site are certainly reasons for respect, but he seems to defend J's antics; "the I'm in charge" mentality that does not allow any other opinions but theirs. Calling me a troll for instance, because I happened to disagree. Having cancer and working to improve the group does not give him the right to flame others.. eveline > Jerry having cancer and putting much time into the web site are certainly > reasons for respect, but he seems to defend J's antics; See my other post. > "the I'm in charge" > mentality that does not allow any other opinions but theirs. Calling me a > troll for instance, because I happened to disagree. > Having cancer and working to improve the group does not give him the right > to flame others.. I do not recall Jerry doing that to you. (calling you a troll) You make the claim, you search the post out in the Google archives, tinyurl it and post the proof here. But she's filtering my posts, so she'll never see this. J FOR J......posted 2/9/05 eveline and Wilcox, This thread is off topic for a cancer support group. If there are closed minds in the group it is yours. Are you trolls or malcontents trying to disrupt this newsgroup? I would be happy to put you on a troll list if you like. Please take your poison and political comments to an appropriate newsgroup. I am sure they will entertain your drivel. Otherwise, the topic here is cancer support, and it would be nice to see some positive contributions from you. Jerry >> Jerry having cancer and putting much time into the web site are certainly >> reasons for respect, but he seems to defend J's antics; [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > But she's filtering my posts, so she'll never see this. > J > eveline and Wilcox, > > This thread is off topic for a cancer support group. If there are closed > minds in the group it is yours. Are you trolls or malcontents trying to > disrupt this newsgroup? I would be happy to put you on a troll list if you > like. You obviously can't read. A sentence starting with the word "Are" and ending with a "?" is a question. > Please take your poison and political comments to an appropriate > newsgroup. I am sure they will entertain your drivel. Otherwise, the topic > here is cancer support, and it would be nice to see some positive > contributions from you. > > Jerry What is your complaint? Some of us have been here for a number of years. Why should we change? To accommodate a few that can not or will not follow Usenet Netiquette, NG Charters, or FAQs.? > As for insecticides and other materials sprayed continually on the crops, I > think that is of great concern. Much of that runs off into the streams and [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > eveline To which Willcox replied: > For many years farming has been a major source of pollution, mainly > fertilizer. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > that causes a 90 cent increase at the grocer that Bush will be blamed > :o/ So I ask again, what the hell does fertilizer runoff, farms, subsidies, and Bush have to do with cancer or cancer support? Why do I have a closed mind? Because I disagree with you? Please explain why this off topic material should not be posted elsewhere. We have enough trouble with alt med lunatics and crossposting trolls, why do you want to rock the boat in a cancer newsgroup where we already have enough problems? Jerry > Jerry has put lots of work into the cancer supporters web site, he is > dealing with cancer. Tim Jackson uploads the files to Tim Jackson's website. Jerry wrote the FAQ (with the help of many, including me). And yes, that was a big job for him and I thank him. He sends the files to Jim Jackson to upload. He's also NED but I am well aware of his risks and other problems. I spent months and months, hours, weeks days, working on the FAQ too (for over 6 months) AND providing support and informational links to cancer patients here. I (along with 2 others) searched out websites, verified them for adverts and other non-welcome info, and sending them to Jerry and posting them. I went over the FAQ 3 times, line by line, punctuation mark by punctuation mark, at the request of jerry to look for errors, misspellings and problems and fine-tuning of areas of the FAQ. Try that sometime. I'm betting you haven't even read the whole thing once ! Hundreds of emails back and forth, working with jerry on the FAQ while continuing to providing support and informational links to cancer patients here. How dare you say I've done nothing here! You weren't even here at the time. You were gone for a year or more? So you took a hiatus while I continued here. > For me "J" has done nothing other than to not give me support You are NED (no evidence of cancer) since 7 years. <snipped the rest> Pot kettle black, you've tried your own bullying methods (to me) on the breast cancer newsgroup. pfffttt....there she goes with her "medical profsional" posts. Like this newsgroup is for support of medical professional nurse. I don't think so. There's nothing stopping her from welcoming the new poster, but no, it goes on and on..... PS Don't like 'em, skip over my posts. J " > I spent months and months, hours, weeks days, working on the FAQ too (for > over 6 [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > >> For me "J" has done nothing other than to not give me support You have no idea what is going on with me, I would never share with it here only to be used against me. It was your choice to spend hours and hours...why not do something real like help a cancer patient in person. > You are NED (no evidence of cancer) since 7 years. WRONG......8 years and how many years has it been since your diagnosis? 29 xy123...@anon.anon 28 zwala...@yahoo.com 25 l...@anon.inv 23 agnal...@privacy.net 21 spamrecy...@chooseyourmail.com 20 a...@example.org 19 guess...@guesswho.com 13 e...@privacy.net 11 eveli...@infinet.com 11 agent01...@my-deja.com Top posters this month and most of us are excluded from the vote. This vote is only a way for "J" to get the "credit" for all the work she does here. Correct me if I am wrong, but we merely asked her to change her behaviour: BACK OFF. She has come up with this huge drama of the vote. I am not voting. I am not going to be manipulated by this creature. God someone hold a pillow over its face. Zee > Correct me if I am wrong, but we merely asked her to change her > behaviour: BACK OFF. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Zee A possible real truth here is that the vote would go in J's favor as many have left. They came heartsick, with worry and grief. They were looking for information and support, maybe some hope, and had not the strength or fortitude to withstand the abuse handed out to them, and were driven away. The load of cancer whether self or family is a big one, and some cannot handle being abused at a place they went for support. I also received e-mails from hurt former group members, wondering why the group is being allowed to continue in this abusive manner. The vote will mean nothing!. Many who would want her behavior changed have already been driven away. It is so sad. Some seem to be supported so grandly and brag about it while many others were driven away. eveline > > Correct me if I am wrong, but we merely asked her to change her > > behaviour: BACK OFF. [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > eveline According to the e-mails I have received, yes many came hopeful and left feeling unfairly treated. It is very odd that a physician would back this; but then when you read what he said to me, a person confessing cancer diagnosis for the first time, you get an inkling of personality: --too bad there is no cure. If you had come to me you would have been cured-- Implying it is the patient's fault for having incurable cancer; she made the wrong choice. Ooops. too bad. As if it is about his EGO. But then, yes that is exactly what it is about. I am preparing for surgery. Take care Zee > According to the e-mails I have received, yes many came hopeful and > left feeling unfairly treated. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Zee Sorry to hear about the impending surgery Hope the outcome will be a positive one I read the doctor's frosty reply to you. No comment right now. We can support each other Zee, and if you want to share off list, I am always here. My email is real, I am real, and not hiding behind fake addresses. That goes for anyone else here who is afraid to post here, or does not want to reveal personal things to unkind people . We can also trade information and support right here and ignore those that seem not to like us. Let me know how it goes, Zee. I care and I know others here do too. Best wishes, eveline > It is very odd that a physician would back this; but then when you read > what he said to me, a person confessing cancer diagnosis for the first > time, you get an inkling of personality: > > --too bad there is no cure. If you had come to me you would have been > cured-- If you are talking about me, madam, I would be grateful if you would be accurate. I said nothing of the sort, as well you know. Any other lies you'd like to share? De facto, that is what you said. You {qualifier} cure your patients, you said. You tell them so, you said. I didn't hear the word cure, I said. "You picked the wrong oncologist" you said. Nice. Blame the patient. Cancer patients, particularly women, have been hearing that for too long. Thank God you are at the end of your career. But then, I suspect that is why you are here. Arrogant, egotistical, hurtful and subject to sanction if said within the walls of the British Columbia Cancer Agency. Zee > > It is very odd that a physician would back this; but then when you read > > what he said to me, a person confessing cancer diagnosis for the first [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > accurate. I said nothing of the sort, as well you know. > Any other lies you'd like to share? > De facto, that is what you said. You {qualifier} cure your patients, > you said. You tell them so, you said. I didn't hear the word cure, I [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Zee You can make up as much as you like, but it doesn't make it true.... 50% of cancers are cured. More if you include the non-melanoma skin cancers. If you've never heard an oncologist say "cure", you are either deaf, or daft, or you need to ask your oncologist about it >> De facto, that is what you said. You {qualifier} cure your patients, >> you said. You tell them so, you said. I didn't hear the word cure, I [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > If you've never heard an oncologist say "cure", you are either deaf, or > daft, or you need to ask your oncologist about it PS, I'm fed up with your whining now, so you're in the killfile. Enjoy > De facto, that is what you said. You {qualifier} cure your patients, > you said. You tell them so, you said. I didn't hear the word cure, I > said. "You picked the wrong oncologist" you said. http://groups-beta.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/453b6186948e67bf Steph Feb 5, 8:35 pm show options Newsgroups: sci.med.cardiology, sci.med, sci.med.diseases.cancer, misc.health.alternative, talk.politics.medicine From: "Steph" <s...@vancouver.island> Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 04:35:22 GMT Local: Sat, Feb 5 2005 8:35 pm Subject: Re: pharma and cancer: who profits "Zee" <zwala...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1107535839.901814.28050@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com... > Jeff wrote: >> THe patients profit from their treatment. About half the patients are cured. >> Cost of treatment: Very high. Value of a cure: Priceless. >> Jeff > I have not heard an oncologist say cancer is cured. I am seeing one > now. (Zee said) Should pick your oncologists better. (Steph said) Over half my patients are cured, and I tell them so (Steph said) > Further, what is your opinion on how cancer is caused? Those are the > profiteers. (Zee said) > Zee The causes are many. Cancer is a group of diseases, not a single disease. Do you think all infections have the same cause? (Steph said) <end of that copied post from the archives> The rest of this seems to be more figments of Zee's imagination...(as was her claim at the top of this post) > Nice. Blame the > patient. Cancer patients, particularly women, have been hearing that [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Arrogant, egotistical, hurtful and subject to sanction if said within > the walls of the British Columbia Cancer Agency. "if" ? Conjecture? > Zee <snipped the rest> > > It is very odd that a physician would back this; but then when you read > > what he said to me, a person confessing cancer diagnosis for the first [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > accurate. I said nothing of the sort, as well you know. > Any other lies you'd like to share? I think I get it now. She's misquoting. She can't accurately follow a thread, reading and posting through Google. She should get herself a real newsreader. But then we've only said that 1,000 +/- a few hundred... times in the past week.. J > > <zwalanga@yahoo.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > what he said to me, a person confessing cancer diagnosis for the first > time, you get an inkling of personality: I am replying to this post for three reasons: 1) to make sure that it is archived, before she decides to ask Google to remove her post from the archives. 2) I read 4 cancer newsgroups. She has never yet "confessed" her diagnosis > --too bad there is no cure. If you had come to me you would have been > cured-- 3) nobody in the history of any/all newsgroups said the above until these instances. Google search results "Searched all newsgroups Results 1 - 4 of 4 for "too bad there is no cure. If you had come to me you would ". (0.23 seconds) " alt.support.cancer - Feb 11, 7:04 pm by zwala...@yahoo.com (that's Zee) alt.support.cancer - Feb 11, 11:47 pm by zwala...@yahoo.com - 42 (that's Zee) alt.support.cancer - Feb 11, 10:31 pm by eveline - (eveline's reply to Zee) includes the following "I read the doctor's frosty reply to you. No comment right now." alt.support.cancer - Feb 12, 4:19 am Steph's reply denying that he said that. (and again I read 4 cancer newsgroups - he only posts on 2 and sometimes shows up on the other two on crossposts). I read all his posts. He never said that to anyone. So now, we've got Zee making a false claim, eveline claiming that she read the same false claim and Steph denying and Google saying it was never written before on any newsgroup. > Implying it is the patient's fault for having incurable cancer; she > made the wrong choice. Ooops. too bad. As if it is about his EGO. But [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Zee >According to the e-mails I have received, yes many came hopeful and >left feeling unfairly treated. [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Considering all the lies I have read from you and your brain dead followers, I doubt if you are even getting a pedicure. SignatureFinished my cancer, Finished my heart problems, Grateful to be back. Eddie MD OTF Whew. New definition of whine; backed up with "look at all I've done for you". > > [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > Well, count my vote. J and Jerry stay. Let evaline go. All she does is tell us what narrow minds we have, and we have no right to complain about cancer. So for she has offered nothing positive for us, and I seriously doubt if she is qualified. SignatureFinished my cancer, Finished my heart problems, Grateful to be back. Eddie MD OTF eveline wrote: "J" <lawz@anon.inv> wrote in message news:420D17BF.A8E16683@execulink.com... WELL, I did not want in this, but I resent being called a "GROUPIE". If I called J and Jerry groupies, they would say I was being a troll - or flaming!!! For general information, I do not like the constant criticism of all who do not march to J and Jerrys tune. If anyone disagrees with them they are told to leave and threatened. I have not read all they have posted the last weeks as I have blocked them both from my mailbox. So if they have said something else about me, I have not read it. I have relatives with cancer other than breast cancer, and WHY should J try to get Alex and I (and Lisa) to leave this group? Do we threaten her in some way? I am not asking J and Jerry to leave. I just wish they would leave some of us alone. eveline Well, count my vote. J and Jerry stay. Let evaline go. All she does is tell us what narrow minds we have, and we have no right to complain about cancer. So for she has offered nothing positive for us, and I seriously doubt if she is qualified. Well DEAR Eddie, You are wrong again!! Why would I say you have narrow minds and should not complain? What bin did you pick that out of? That is an out and out fabrication !!!! (I am being generous here) I have dear ones with cancer and I have no intention of leaving. At least not until I am good and ready. Now I block you too. eveline SignatureFinished my cancer, Finished my heart problems, Grateful to be back. Eddie MD OTF > > [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > > eveline Hey witch!! Don't tell me when I am wrong or when I am right. I have been there, and know what I am talking about. You preach so much bull flops, along with your followers, that you can put me on your kill file. In your case, I definitely do not mind. SignatureFinished my cancer, Finished my heart problems, Grateful to be back. Eddie MD OTF > >-> >i>ys>a>in>y>ea>r>ra>o>el>a>k.>d>DeOTF EddgrareRewhaabplehenewthforprCananworwhposshiniIssetEd(mo"nkeebaforyocheyoOr coaldritheofmesthand"subject I'myoherofhapmestaThis beyouheyouI on yokeeupHTMthinePrundthswianCouplinsneitrbesetinwinyobel"ttheline". I'ltrto selatifI hatimfoinsonhowtodo soin yoverofMozilla ThayoJ. > > >-> >i>ys>a>in>y>ea>r>ra>o>el>a>k.>d>DeOTF > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > ThayoJ. Well that's what happened when I tried to reply to a post that was posted in html. Time for a break! J >Is it fair that you are in charge of the votes that will determine if you go >or stay? Some of us dont trust you. I wont vote on this because I believe >you will have it turn out to your advantage regardless of how you have to do >that. I have just been diagnosed and I feel very uncomfortable here. This is Usenet and anybody can post. The real issue is who do you trust and not who posts. My wife and I trust J and we owe J a whole load because of the trouble taken to help us when my wife was first DX'ed. Some on here may not like J's style and when that happens on Usenet you either ignore that poster of kill file them. pete Indeed. No one asked her to leave. She was asked to change her behaviour. She has refused. Anyone can post. This is usenet. But according to J, she will make the decision about who posts, because if she doesn't want you to post she will: make fraudulent claims to you internet service provider, which she did to several people she claims to support post lies about you in other newsgroups use your surname spelled backwards as her e-mail address privately e-mail people with lies about you. THAT is the issue here. J has highjacked what was reasonable requests for her to stop bullying MANY people, and refused. This is not an issue of whether or not she personally helped you; it is if you do not go along with her thinking, you will be harrassed. Do you approve of that kind of behaviour? Clandestine harrassment of your fellow cancer sufferers, with multiple and forged e-mail addresses? Zee >Indeed. No one asked her to leave. She was asked to change her >behaviour. She has refused. [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] >your fellow cancer sufferers, with multiple and forged e-mail >addresses? Look here I subscribe to newsgroups where people sue each other to bankruptcy. The stuff you are crying about is for children. The only issue here should be cancer and this petty squabbling is not helping a single person who has cancer so if you cannot hack it then you should not be on Usenet. pete > >Indeed. No one asked her to leave. She was asked to change her > >behaviour. She has refused. [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > not be on Usenet. > pete Well do not hold your breath, but someone has talked of suing J, who takes the harrassment beyond newsgroups. This is not about what I can handle or not, it is about people here, many, posters and former posters who asked her to change her behaviour; and she responds with this vote her on or off thing. For God sake this is an unmoderated newsgroup. If you want to be held hostage to this that is your busienss, but apparently many many do not. What is so hard here for her? Change. Your peers are asking you to change. Zee >What is so hard here for her? Change. Your peers are asking you to >change. I ain't but I am soon going to start ignoring you. pete I want J to go. Or a great solution, she keep the same email address so those of us who want to can block her. >I want J to go. > >Or a great solution, she keep the same email address so those of us who want >to can block her. Tough.This is Usenet and nobody can be forced to stay or go and I would urge you to just ignore the posts you do not like as there is absolutely nothing anybody can do about a legitimate poster whether we like them or not unless they are spamming or being abusive etc. Grow up and taste the tea or what ever. pete > > I am very sorry. > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Zee uncrossposted a thread that Steph was in and convinced (by email) > someone by the name of David Wright (on sci.med) that Steph abused her. What he believes is his business. > Since Steph doesn't read that newsgroup and apparently David isn't aware > of that and/or did not realize that Zee uncrossposted her whine and blame > tactic about Steph, I replied to the post. As anyone can see it was no whine. And the exchange between Steph and I took place in that newsgroup. I am sure Steph appreciates what you are doing. Burn your friends to get your own way... . Enemies of J beware; friends beware too. Thanks for this link; now everyone can see what you do. I have to laugh: you are directing the vote, saying who will do what when? You don't get it at all do you? I also note that in your rules and instructions about how this will happen, somewhere midstream it changed from the ability to vote you off, to we should just not read you. Was that when you saw the vote going against you? That you would do this to people who are suffering serious illness is unconsciounable. Let that be the record of your "support." I too, like someone else newly diagnosed, came here for support. Your tactics are those of a madwoman; and apparently you have done that to several other posters. Posters here fear you. Some cancer support: fear. Zee > See my reply debunking her here. > http://tinyurl.com/6bn5x [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > J > I too, like someone else newly diagnosed, came here for support. You've only been posting for a week or more and not said a word about what cancer you havve. Go ahead, introduce yourself with your type and stage of cancer, then vote. <the rest is pot kettle black> J I do not know yet. But you must know yours. All those years... Let's have it... Zee > > I too, like someone else newly diagnosed, came here for support. > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > <the rest is pot kettle black> > J > Let's have it... > > Zee Who are you to demand anything in this group from anyone else? You are saying in one breath that this is Usenet and anybody can say anything about any topic. The next breath you are demanding that a person has proof that they have cancer in order to participate in this support group. If you have cancer or not is not the criteria for participation in this newsgroup. Having cancer gives you no privileges. After all this is Usenet, right? Anyone, anywhere, in any health, any age, any race, any nationality is welcome here. *All that is asked is that they make a postive contribution.* Is that too much to ask? Jerry This is the Internet, leave your brain at the door. "All that is asked is that they make a postive contribution" Great point Jerry, I think many of us are concerned what defines a positive contribution, I have a cancer issue that is unrelated to breast cancer, but would never ask for "support" here due to the fact, I don't want to be insulted, misquoted or misinformed. Alex J stay Gordo for Gordo and Betty ( 2 votes ) >I want J to stay. >I want J to go. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >If you've changed names/emails, identify yourself (type of cancer and/or >relationship to), otherwise your count will be ignored. I post and read on behalf of myself and my wife and she has the cancer and we have had a tremendous amount of help from you J and we both vote that you stay. I cannot see why you take any notice of these trolls anyhow. This is a public news group and most of us know when we read crap and take no notice of it and ignore the author in future. Just carry on as you are as you do not need a vote to be here doing what you do so well. BIG HUGS J from Judy and me who are very grateful for the trouble you took when we first met cancer and we were in panic mode. pete If anyone doubts your insanity they just have to read the above post. > I want J to stay. kill file the nut cases Signature"Some witty person in rec.arts.sf.composition (I forget who) called them feral apostrophes. Untamed, unregulated, they roam the wastes of the English language and pop up where lea'st expected." >> I want J to stay. > > kill file the nut cases Socks isn't one of them, neither is J, who has done much to get this NG back to it's proper role, in spite of the loonies and cockroaches who would have it otherwise Those of you who like to play the drama queen, cross-post out of context quotations, frighten the desperate people who come here and engage in trying to undermine the voices of reason and common sense on this NG - you know who you are - understand this. You have a perfect right to post whatever you like. But that doesn't make it true, or useful, or even sane. I would advise everyone to killfile the loonies, drama queens, professional victims and harpies and let's get the energy of the group back to supporting people with cancer, using planet-earth based reality and some humanity. Also be aware of the common loony trick of multiple NGs in the posting list. Trim them all out except this one. My killfile will be growing by at least 4 posters immediately after this post > I would advise everyone to killfile the loonies, drama queens, > professional victims and harpies and let's get the energy of the group [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > My killfile will be growing by at least 4 posters immediately after this > post I agree until my killfile is so huge due to one person who keeps changing her email address. >> I would advise everyone to killfile the loonies, drama queens, >> professional victims and harpies and let's get the energy of the group [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >I agree until my killfile is so huge due to one person who keeps changing >her email address. FFS grow up and stop reading posts that are from J or just piss off to some private yahoo group somewhere else. pete On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 07:25:32 -0500, "Guess Who" <guesswho@guesswho.com> wrote: >I agree until my killfile is so huge due to one person who keeps >changing her email address. get a real news reader that doesn't care how big the kill file gets. I have no idea what the size of mine is, nor do I care. The size limit is function of the size of my hard drive, and this file isn't the one that will use up my remaining 30G. If changing identities is growing your file past the max of your broken little news reader, set expiration dates on the kills, as I do for kooks new to the group that I expect to be here for only a brief time. my entry on you for instance expires on may 1. If Pete hadn't responded to you, I wouldn't have seen your post to respond to. Apparently in mid January I decided that your posts added no value to the group, which is devoted to cancer, not whining about other posters, so I issued a 100 day kill. In May, either you'll be gone or have gotten around to discussing cancer, or I can kf again. I do find it interesting that your domain is best known for porn spams and mlm scams and is getting more and more widely blocked. So which one are you in the "kinky singles" spam that is their hallmark? You probably have more to worry about from HIV than from cancer. Signature"Some witty person in rec.arts.sf.composition (I forget who) called them feral apostrophes. Untamed, unregulated, they roam the wastes of the English language and pop up where lea'st expected." > On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 07:25:32 -0500, "Guess Who" > <guesswho@guesswho.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > get a real news reader that That won't do Socks but thank you. She both wants to filter me and criticize my posts. Since you've been filtering her for a while, perhaps you've missed a lot of those posts. J >> On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 07:25:32 -0500, "Guess Who" >> <guesswho@guesswho.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > J I filter all the porn domains on usenet. what got a pornster annoyed at you? especially a kinky one like guesswho.com? Signature"Some witty person in rec.arts.sf.composition (I forget who) called them feral apostrophes. Untamed, unregulated, they roam the wastes of the English language and pop up where lea'st expected." > >> On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 07:25:32 -0500, "Guess Who" > >> <guesswho@guesswho.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > I filter all the porn domains on usenet. what got a pornster annoyed at > you? especially a kinky one like guesswho.com? huh?? Sorry, Socks, I don't get it. When I try to go to www.guesswho.com, I get an advertising firm website http://www.nationala-1.com I realized that quite a while ago, but figured if I mentioned it to her, she'd view it as another criticsim.. Especially since before she was using guess.com and I pointed out to her it was well-known commercial brand of clothing (website) J >> >> On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 07:25:32 -0500, "Guess Who" >> >> <guesswho@guesswho.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > her it was well-known commercial brand of clothing (website) > J I went to the anti spam news groups to see who guesswho was spamming for. It was a mix of kinky sex sites and mlm scams. Guesswho doesnt offer customer email accounts. if she has an account with them and is using it with permission to post here, she's an employee. I'm assuming that's the case, since using a domain name without the owners' permission violates Lanham as amended in 1999 and could cost her a six figure penalty. One of the outfits she spams for is butch.com don't go there without a strong stomach and a firm belief in the first amendment. whatever turns her on, i guess, but it isn't my cuppa. Signature"Some witty person in rec.arts.sf.composition (I forget who) called them feral apostrophes. Untamed, unregulated, they roam the wastes of the English language and pop up where lea'st expected." >>> >> On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 07:25:32 -0500, "Guess Who" >>> >> <guesswho@guesswho.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > strong stomach and a firm belief in the first amendment. whatever turns > her on, i guess, but it isn't my cuppa. If you are referring to me, you are wrong....perhaps you are confusing me with someone else, use your computer skills are check back, it didn't come from me. I have never spammed Alex Ps DId this other person sign their name ALex after every. >> One of the outfits she spams for is butch.com don't go there without >> a strong stomach and a firm belief in the first amendment. whatever >> turns her on, i guess, but it isn't my cuppa. > If you are referring to me, you are wrong....perhaps you are confusing > me with someone else, use your computer skills are check back, it > didn't come from me. I have never spammed Alex > > Ps DId this other person sign their name ALex after every. The domain guesswho.com is a spammer domain for porn sites. It's easy enough to verify that by checking news.admin.net-abuse.email. And they dont offer addresses to members of the general public. It's also easy enough to look at your previous posts and see that you were using that domain, until this most recent post evaded my kook filters. So either you're a porn spammer, for really sick porn at that, or you were using the domain guesswho.com without the consent of the owners of the domain, in violation of the lanham act. the lanham act penalties are $100,000 a pop. So the question is simple - are you a perv, or are you a thief? Now you're using the domain nomail.com, which belongs to an outfit in Omaha, NE. It belongs to Infousedomain.com. That one appears to be a P2P pirate domain. Count on the RIAA knocking on your door shortly. http://groups-beta.google.com/groups?q=nomail.com+group:*abuse*&start=0 &scoring=d& So I guess the answer to my question is "both". can't you at least snip sig blocks when replying to posts? Signature"Some witty person in rec.arts.sf.composition (I forget who) called them feral apostrophes. Untamed, unregulated, they roam the wastes of the English language and pop up where lea'st expected." Considering you are using the name of published author and property a former president I wouldn't talk .....unless your name is Betty Curry. I stand corrected, socks is not using the white house character anymore. > I went to the anti spam news groups to see who guesswho was spamming > for. It was a mix of kinky sex sites and mlm scams. Guesswho doesnt [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > permission violates Lanham as amended in 1999 and could cost her a six > figure penalty. Thanks for pointing this out, Socks and/or no thanks ;-) I almost went and bought a domain name that someone here used 3 times. Who gets the 6 figure penalty amount? The domain owner or the courts? While I'm OT'ing it, on Saturday, I was thinking of you Saturday. There was a Canadian TV program about Vimy and WWI from a different perspective. A youngish (30's - age) (history?) teacher, in a small town in our Province, decided to make a project of each student picking one of the 78 or 79 soldiers from the town, who died in WWI and researching as much as each could about the person they chose. They each picked a name from a war memorial in that town. They researched locally then went to a central war archive in a larger city and met a survivor, and obtained more information. Went back to their school and started pulling all the pieces together. Meantime, their art students picked up on the project and started restoring old photos (which the other students had acquired) of same. The (gradeable) project grew and the local newspaper took notice and started printing (weekly) each soldier's story. The small town brimmed with pride. The students and teacher (somehow found the money and) went over to Europe and visited their cemetaries sites and the beaches, the memorials, the monuments, and Vimy Ridge. The goal of the teacher is (and will continue to be) that the names of those who fought will never be forgotten by engraving their memories into the younger generations. Lest we forget... J >> I went to the anti spam news groups to see who guesswho was spamming >> for. It was a mix of kinky sex sites and mlm scams. Guesswho doesnt [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > I almost went and bought a domain name that someone here used 3 times. > Who gets the 6 figure penalty amount? The domain owner or the courts? the domain owner. the fun part is going along with the federal marshal to kick in the doors and seize the computer equipment Signature"Some witty person in rec.arts.sf.composition (I forget who) called them feral apostrophes. Untamed, unregulated, they roam the wastes of the English language and pop up where lea'st expected." >>> I want J to stay. >> [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > My killfile will be growing by at least 4 posters immediately after this > post As usual, Steph gives excellent advice. We would *all* be wise to follow his lead. Jerry Please add seven "NO" votes for the seven people who contacted me and want you voted off. I suggested they go to Yahoo groups instead, or even start their own moderated group, but they insist they will stay, or return, and want you voted off. Zee > > I am very sorry. > [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > > J go you have always been abusive > J said: > > I will continue support, until a week from now, in which time I will count [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > go > you have always been abusive "J" wrote; > The rest of you vote. > > I want J to stay. > I want J to go. I want J to stay. But.... I don't like the aggro that has developed on this group over recent months. It is a SUPPORT group after all. I'm quite capable of PLONKing snake oil traders thank-you. I don't need a group where half (I exagerate?) the posts are complaints or instructions on how to killfile. J - return to doing what you did well. Answering newbies questions, digging out those buried links with usefull info. Steph, Mike & others - you're handy:) Stick with it. I was diagnosed colon C with liver mets Jan 2003. Had 6+9 fortnightly chemo sessions 2003. A transverse colectomy and liver resection included FOC. Have just had my 6th out of 6 chemo, 3rd go. Alf J helped me a great deal when my son was first diagnosed and my emotions were all over the place. This is insane. Of course J should stay. What a waste of time this argument is. Karen in Toronto Mother of Doug, age 41 dx 17/03/04 DLBCL & fNHL with bone marrow involvement CHOP X 4 + CHOP+R x 4 August 04, bone marrow clear. PET scan Nov. 04, DLBCL still active, partial remission. I haven't checked out this group in several days, but since I was mentioned by name......... of course I want J to stay. Asking her to leave is absurd. I may not completely agree with J on everything, but I never completely agree with anyone about anything and life would be awfully boring if I did. I haven't been posting much lately, but that's mostly because I haven't needed to and this group is bit too general for me at this time. I have mostly been using the acor list, where there are many people actively comparing info on specific treatments, procedures and even doctors. I wouldn't have known about this tremendous resource if it weren't for J. And I know that at some point in the future I am going to need the kind of emotional support I have seen J and the others on this group give to Sharon, Gloreah, and many others and I hope J is still here to be "around" for me. Barbara >> I am very sorry. > [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > > J Chemo may have taken some of my brain cells, but I know the difference between someone who helps and folks who just whine. J has been doing her best to help folks out and give good advice to those who are looking for it. She provides links to sites that are useful and supportive. For those who do not provide posts that have some relevance to actually assisting others, kindly leave. Time is to short to waste on your advice or theories. People looking for help in this NG in the last couple of months will see mostly bickering and Loonie Tune posts. Those of whom I speak add nothing to the purpose of this NG and make it harder for people to get good advice that they can use. We patients have enough on our plates to deal with, and do not need to waste any more time on posts by people who do not have the best interests of the people that this NG was created for at heart. J Stay. George >>>blah blah blah<< I vote to stay. --Joe _________________________________ "Take a little 5FU, leucovorin and oxaliplatin for thy stomach's sake." -- 1 Timothy 5:23 (adapted) > I have a proposal for active cancer patients. Vote if you want me to go > away. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > If you've changed names/emails, identify yourself (type of cancer and/or > relationship to), otherwise your count will be ignored. I cancelled the vote Saturday for various reasons. Socks (and others), I am very sorry you were attacked by one or two persons. J > I cancelled the vote Saturday for various reasons. > Socks (and others), I am very sorry you were attacked by one or two > persons. J was I attacked by the porn star? Must have been after I set the kill file, so I never saw it. I hang out on news.admin.net-abuse.email. The nut cases here are pure amateur hour. Signature"Some witty person in rec.arts.sf.composition (I forget who) called them feral apostrophes. Untamed, unregulated, they roam the wastes of the English language and pop up where lea'st expected." >> I have a proposal for active cancer patients. Vote if you want me to go >> away. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >Socks (and others), I am very sorry you were attacked by one or two persons. >J I had connection problems for several days and am a little perplexed about the plethora of posts. Fist off, even though superfluous, reading the above, I still vote for J to stay. I do have a couple of items on my wish list: I. I would like for you NOT to keep mutating your munged Email address (If you are doing that to prevent others to kill file you, why would you care). II. When you have a multi post exchange with someone else that has nothing to do with the Subject line, please change the Subject, add an OT or, preferably (like in your exchange with socks about 'guesswho.com) take it off list altogether. Otherwise I am happy with the list and the information and compassion shared. The above needs no reply whatsoever, it is only a wish list. Act on it or ignore it but let's stop wasting all that bandwidth. Next month my wife will have her 3 rd quarterly post lobectomy checkup and I will report back on it. Thanks J and all those who helped. -- Orping I will return to my original post here today, to emphasize that this behaviour above was perpetrated upon me by J, and upon several other people too who are afraid of her. They are the cancer patients she claims to support. All she has posted is her version of what happened. It is about as much about the true happening as her vote is about democracy. This has been going on here for sometime. The e-mails I received are very sad, but J corroborates them by her behaviour. J was asked to change her behaviour. She has refused. Yahoo Groups has two, I believe, moderated cancer support groups. They may not be "your" cancer, but I am sure they will not refuse you. Zee >I will return to my original post here today, to emphasize that this > behaviour above was perpetrated upon me by J, and upon several other [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Zee Well aren't we full of drama. Afraid of words are you. Speaking for "other people". I've been on this NG group for quite a few years now and I can tell you, we can do with out your crap! Why don't you change your behavior. J along with countless others are what keep this group going. And have been here with loving support. What kind of support have you offered? So get over it. J ain't going no where if I can help it. She has my vote, the hubby's, his father and mother and sisters and brother. So I geuss that out does your votes. Stay if you like. I sure you have something to offer, but this ain't it. Jill > >I will return to my original post here today, to emphasize that this > > behaviour above was perpetrated upon me by J, and upon several other [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > Jill I have never said, or even implied, that J should leave the group. Others have, yes. But this whole voting thing was J's idea. Talk about a drama queen. There is a DSM lV diagnosis for what she does. If you find that supportive, you are welcome to it. Zee >> >I will return to my original post here today, to emphasize that this >> > behaviour above was perpetrated upon me by J, and upon several [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] > > Zee I wish I could tell you just how supportive J is. We need to find a different subject, like cancer to talk about. Cause I know all to well about that. Jill > >> >I will return to my original post here today, to emphasize that this > >> > behaviour above was perpetrated upon me by J, and upon several [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] > that. > Jill I so agree with you Jill. I turned on my computer this morning and was absolutely astounded at the barrage that has been going on today and for the life of me I cannot see the purpose of it all. The fact that people are dealing with cancer either of themselves or their loved ones seems to have been greatly over-shadowed. My two girls argue daily and I thought they were petty! I've read through all the posts on this particular topic and notice that anyone, particularly my good buddy Pete, seem to get attacked themselves should they stand up for J. Well, I'll stand up and open myself up for attack too - I VOTE FOR J. And I do so for two reasons: For the support that she offered both my late husband and myself when we first ventured to this ng. For the support that she offers others here on the ng. For all the "talk" that others speak when they offer to stand in and do the job themselves, the proof is in the pudding, when J is absent there is a serious lack of replies and information being generated to new comers. To those that do not appreciate the true value that J offers to this ng - get a grip, get a life, there are so many more important issues that we can be concentrating on. To Jill - hope things are okay with you honey. Alayne > I so agree with you Jill. I turned on my computer this morning and was > absolutely astounded at the barrage that has been going on today and for [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > Alayne Sorry Alayne you do not have cancer your vores doesn't count. You feel her abusive behavior towards me is ok? I think less and less of people who think just because she helped you, it is ok for her to abuse others. Alex > > I so agree with you Jill. I turned on my computer this morning and was > > absolutely astounded at the barrage that has been going on today and for [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > ok for her to abuse others. > Alex I stand corrected then Alex if my vote doesn't count, I thought that I posted here to offer some form of comfort, albeit in the means of Hugs and Ears, to those that do have cancer or those that have loved ones with it, having been through the most harrowing of experiences myself. I do not agree with anyone abusing anyone else, far from it. But my second hand experience with cancer and the loss of my very much loved husband taught me a very valuable lesson; life is far far too short to waste and I simply cannot understand how this is all getting so out of hand. Alayne >> > Well, I'll stand up and open myself up for attack too - I VOTE FOR J. >> > [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] > > Alayne It was "Jeans" rule not mine. You are a warm caring person. I can understand how this got out of hand it is "J". >> I do not agree with anyone abusing anyone else, far from it. Are you saying that J's posting was wrong? Abusive? Why do a stay? Because I have to deal with cancer....I refuse to be sent off by a person who is a bully, I wouldn't let cancer beat me and I won't let a person who doesn't have cancer, does not have any medical training ( other than her mother was a nurse, I guess it makes me kids experts) and no experiencing in counseling. When facing a cancer diagnosis, find a medical professional , oncologist or surgeon they are the best to answer medical questions and have the connections to deal with your situation. End of life issues once again are to be dealt with by medical professionals, hospice and palliative care. No one should be giving medical advice who is not qualified. I note Steph , which I appauled him, does not offer medical advice, while other do. What does work , has been researched is peer support, meaning people who have faced similar situations understand what you are going through, perhaps this is why "J" can connect to the spouses and children since she has experienced a loss. But I find this board lacks the fact many of us are surviving cancer.....and not welcome here. Odd? >Sorry Alayne you do not have cancer your vores doesn't count. >You feel her abusive behavior towards me is ok? > >I think less and less of people who think just because she helped you, it is >ok for her to abuse others. >Alex You are completely out of order and you know it. Alayne suffered a terrible loss through cancer and so did her children. Alayne has always been around to offer me and my wife advice,comfort and help when needed and you are not in the same league as her so just take a hike. pete > >Sorry Alayne you do not have cancer your vores doesn't count. > >You feel her abusive behavior towards me is ok? [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > hike. > pete You're a honey pot Pete and your Judy. Fortunately there are a lot of genuine people here on this ng and fortunately we have a lot of brain cells between us to know the difference between right and wrong. It's a no win situation and I would far rather deal with the petty tiffs between Kelly and Nikki, at least they have some value. Warm Hugs to you and Judy Alayne >You're a honey pot Pete and your Judy. Fortunately there are a lot of >genuine people here on this ng and fortunately we have a lot of brain cells [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Warm Hugs to you and Judy I should have stayed out of it but I wasn't going to stand back when someone took a pot at you or J. I am out of the squabble now though and I shall ignore the trolls and let the ng settle down with luck. BIG HUGS Alayne from Judy and me. pete >> I so agree with you Jill. I turned on my computer this morning and was >> absolutely astounded at the barrage that has been going on today and for [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > is ok for her to abuse others. > Alex And just who the hell do you think you are to tell Alayne her vote doesn't count because she doesn't have cancer. Thank the good Lord she doesn't. You are a turd. Flush! Jill >I've read through all the posts on this particular topic and notice that >anyone, particularly my good buddy Pete, seem to get attacked themselves >should they stand up for J. That's a bugger as I only read posts that might be from interesting people and so I have missed any attacks upon me and I do enjoy a good flame. But not on this ng as this is for serious business only:-( pete >> I wish I could tell you just how supportive J is. We need to find a >> different subject, like cancer to talk about. Cause I know all to well [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > > Alayne Alayne, Hello sweetie. Good to hear from you. I whole heartedly agree with you. I'm feel much better today. I have good days and then bad. It was warm here, so the hubby fired up the Harley and took me for a ride, good medicine. I hope everything is going good for you. Big Jill Hugs. > Hello sweetie. Good to hear from you. I whole heartedly agree with you. > I'm feel much better today. I have good days and then bad. It was warm here, > so the hubby fired up the Harley and took me for a ride, good medicine. > I hope everything is going good for you. > > Big Jill Hugs. I'll take the sweetie and hugs too. So good to read that you've been for a ride on Harley. Yay ! I'm so happy to see that Jill is back. Take care of you first, I don't want you hurting that neck (to come post here) Hugs Jill J >> Hello sweetie. Good to hear from you. I whole heartedly agree with you. >> I'm feel much better today. I have good days and then bad. It was warm [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Hugs Jill > J My sweet J, The past two days I have been feeling better. Thank the good Lord. I wasn't sure there for awile that I would ever feel good again. But the hubby is quite the caregiver. Any man that would give his wife a massage at 2:00 am, is a good man in my book. And a nice ride on the Harley will cure a lot. I so glad your here. Here a bunch of hugs to my sweetie. Jill > The past two days I have been feeling better. Thank the good Lord. I wasn't > sure there for awile that I would ever feel good again. But the hubby is > quite the caregiver. Any man that would give his wife a massage at 2:00 am, > is a good man in my book. And a nice ride on the Harley will cure a lot. Continuing to improve, hon? Thinking of you, Jill, Hugs J >> The past two days I have been feeling better. Thank the good Lord. I >> wasn't [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Hugs > J Well I had my first physical therapy session yesterday. Looking forward to the next one's Wed. & Fri. My neck muscle's are so tight you could bouce car tire's off them. The pain isn't as bad, but more than I like. Spoke with ENT surgeon. He said the three lymph nodes they took out of the right side and one out of the left, were all canerous. He wanted me to go see my Endo to see what if anything he wanted to do as far as treatment. They finally ruled out wanting to give me RAI. Since I wont do it anyways, it's a good thing.<g> He wants to talk with the other doctor and kick around the idea of radio beam therapy or chemo. Which I don't know if I want. They don't tend to work for my type of cancer. They told the hubby I wouldn't die from this cancer. They have never told me that. And I'm thinking if I wont die from it, why do all they have and why go in my neck 5 times? If they told me that, I would'nt have let them do this surgery. Now that I'm feeling better a month later. Sorry for the gripe. Thanks J. And I'm always thinking of you. 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