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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Cancer / February 2005OT Changing subject lines
I noticed that Jerry seems to favour changing subject lines. I was adding the new subject and then putting "XXXX - was (XXXXXXXXX ) the latter being the old subject line. How's this changing subject line working for some of you? How about those who post through Google? Are you able to follow the thread better or worse (or no difference?) Any problems with it? If not, I'll continue the way Jerry suggested. Speak up. J > I noticed that Jerry seems to favour changing subject lines. > I was adding the new subject and then putting "XXXX - was (XXXXXXXXX ) the [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Speak up. > J The reason why I do that is my newsreader client will start a new thread when the subject changes. I have set the option that way intentionally. I have seen threads change subjects after changing subjects, and become quite long. Shorter threads that follow a topic are easier to comprehend. My newsreader's help section explains it: Sorting The sort and threading order for this group. Start a new thread when the subject changes within a thread If someone follows-up to an article, but changes the original subject it can be assumed that her message should be dealt with separately. If this option is checked, the message will show up in a new thread. If it is unchecked, it is shown within the original thread. (End of help) If this is a problem for your newsreader client I will change the option to stay within the original thread. Jerry > > Any problems with it? If not, I'll continue the way Jerry suggested. > The reason why I do that is my newsreader client will start a new thread > when the subject changes. What are you using, Jerry? 40tude? > I have set the option that way intentionally. I > have seen threads change subjects after changing subjects, and become quite > long. Mine do get quite long and sometimes difficult to go back up. there's horizontal and vertical lines connected but I usually muddle through sorting out who said what or where the original quote is. > Shorter threads that follow a topic are easier to comprehend. Could be. Google seems to thread them all together, but "bolds" the subject line between each change IIRC. > My newsreader's help section explains it: > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > If this is a problem for your newsreader client I will change the option to > stay within the original thread. No problem for me. I brought it up just because and/or I saw someone on another newsgroup write "start a new post". You won't get replies, because your post is way down at the bottom of the thread. I think but not sure it was either a webtv'er or MS Outlook Express person, so I don't want our posts getting lost at the bottom.. There used to be very, very long threads on this newsgroup. I never heard a complaint. On the other hand, I don't think we were particularly mindful of adjusting the subject line at all. Let's see what others say (if anything). J >> The reason why I do that is my newsreader client will start a new thread >> when the subject changes. > > What are you using, Jerry? 40tude? Yes. It is similar to Forte Agent, with the exception that the free version is not crippled. Some of the more useful features are disabled in Free Agent. The free version (home users) of Dialog is the same as the pay version (business users). Dialog is capable of handling news and email, but does a much better job with news. Compare http://www.40tude.com/dialog/features.htm with http://www.forteinc.com/agent/features.php There are a lot of good newsreaders, another suggestion is Xnews at http://www.slyck.com/xnews.php but it does not have an installation program so the user must install it manually. http://www.google.com/search?hl=&cat=&meta=&num=&ie=utf-8&q=free+newsreader Much like cars and ISPs, newsreaders all do the same thing. But you will find that some newreader users are hooked on one program and are very loyal to it, so it is hard to find an impartial opinion. Jerry > >> The reason why I do that is my newsreader client will start a new thread > >> when the subject changes. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > http://www.slyck.com/xnews.php but it does not have an installation program > so the user must install it manually. hmm..I got an error on that last one. http://xnews.newsguy.com/ NewsGuy http://www.mozilla.org Thunderbird/Firefox/Mozilla > http://www.google.com/search?hl=&cat=&meta=&num=&ie=utf-8&q=free+newsreader > > Much like cars and ISPs, newsreaders all do the same thing. But you will > find that some newreader users are hooked on one program and are very loyal > to it, so it is hard to find an impartial opinion. Thanks Jerry. This and other newsreader links might be important & timely now for AOL users. (AOL Pulls Plug on Newsgroup Service February apparently) We have/had Anna (Dad myeloma), Barbara (who's posting through Google), NY to FL Guy, BillX, Tim N Kat and probably a few more using AOL. So if your (anyone reading) ISP does not include newsserver service (for free), there's a free one at http://news.individual.net/ If your ISP includes newsserver service, you may already have Outlook installed on your computer and may use it for your email and newsreader program. Some prefer to use the others above and choose a different newsreader (some shown above - in Jerry's part of this post). J >>>> The reason why I do that is my newsreader client will start a new thread >>>> when the subject changes. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > hmm..I got an error on that last one. > http://xnews.newsguy.com/ NewsGuy They all work for me. Can you try it again. > http://www.mozilla.org Thunderbird/Firefox/Mozilla > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > above - in Jerry's part of this post). > J >> If your ISP includes newsserver service, you may already have Outlook >> installed on your computer and may use it for your email and >> newsreader program. Some prefer to use the others above and choose a >> different newsreader (some shown above - in Jerry's part of this >> post). J I would warn anyone who asks away from Outlook as a news reader. Filtering is poor. It defaults to too many non standard things like top posting and including the entire text when replying. One thing I like about xnews is that if more than 60% of the text that I'm posting is from the previous person, it suggests to me that I trim some more before posting. It also checks things like malformed lines. Forte Agent is another good one, as is knode if you're on a linux box.  Signature"Some witty person in rec.arts.sf.composition (I forget who) called them feral apostrophes. Untamed, unregulated, they roam the wastes of the English language and pop up where lea'st expected." > >> If your ISP includes newsserver service, you may already have Outlook > >> installed on your computer and may use it for your email and [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > is poor. It defaults to too many non standard things like top posting and > including the entire text when replying. So does mine and yes, I saw you both dissing Nutscape ! However, Outlook IMO has too many holes in it (worms, viruses) depending on how the person uses it and knows how to be safe. However, if it's already installed on their computer, I suspect, some may take the path of least resistance. > One thing I like about xnews is > that if more than 60% of the text that I'm posting is from the previous > person, it suggests to me that I trim some more before posting. It also > checks things like malformed lines. I see that a lot in banks and grocery stores. Just kidding. I think I would like that feature. IOW my lines are often malformed. ;-) > Forte Agent is another good one, as is knode if you're on a linux box. Comparison of both Agents http://www.forteinc.com/agent/features.php Might be a good option for those who aren't very teckkie.. J > >> There are a lot of good newsreaders, another suggestion is Xnews at > >> http://www.slyck.com/xnews.php but it does not have an installation program [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > They all work for me. Can you try it again. Hi Jerry, I tried it several times during that day before posting. However, I tried it this morning and now it works. Thanks, J PS I was looking at this this morning. I don't add toolbars so I think I'm safe? http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1758874,00.asp >>>> There are a lot of good newsreaders, another suggestion is Xnews at >>>> http://www.slyck.com/xnews.php but it does not have an installation program [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > PS I was looking at this this morning. I don't add toolbars so I think I'm safe? > http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1758874,00.asp Actually, if you have Internet access you are at risk, even if you do not install or download anything. There are additional risks if you go to an infected website or click on an email. It is even riskier to open an attachment or click on any website buttons. Spam is a very minor problem compared the explosion of malware. Do NOT do a Google search for spyware or adware removal/prevention programs. There are people that are writing bogus software that indicates you have a problem and need to buy there program to fix it (it is known as scumware). There are plenty of excellent freeware and shareware programs available. These are legitimate programs that I would recommend: *Spybot S&D (Free) http://www.safer-networking.org/en/index.html *Ad-Aware SE (Personal Free) http://www.lavasoftusa.com/ *WinPatrol 8.1 Free http://www.winpatrol.com/ *Spyware Blaster 3.2 Freeware http://www.javacoolsoftware.com/spywareblaster.html Works with Mozilla/Firefox *Avast! 4 AV Free http://www.avast.com/eng/free_virus_protectio.html Excellent AntiVirus program with frequent updates *ZoneAlarm Free Software Firewall http://www.zonelabs.com/store/content/company/products/znalm/freeDownload.jsp?li d=staticcomp_za I use the first four programs, they work well together. I use Symantec for AV and firewall software, but will probably switch to Avast! and ZoneAlarm when the renewal comes up. I also use a router as a NAT (Network Address Translation) firewall. You cannot do too much to be safe online. I also use Firefox as a browser because it is safer than IE: http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/ Mozilla is also a good choice. I use Mailwasher to view email on the POP3 server before downloading it. It can filter, delete, and bounce emails that would otherwise be downloaded to my PC. It is not a free program, but you can try the free POP3 Preview LITE 8.4 at: http://www.gold-software.com/download5228.html There are some good sites that promote Safe Hex online: http://www.claymania.com/safe-hex.html If you are an advanced user with WinXP then hardening your PC is explained here: http://www.ntsvcfg.de/ntsvcfg_eng.html#_intro If you become infected with adware/spyware/virus/browser hijacker go to CastleCops at http://computercops.biz/ and ask for help. It is customary to download HijackThis, run it, and post the results to their forum. They are experts and you can take their advice to the bank. An alternative is news:alt.comp.anti-virus they also give great advice on removing malware infections. HTH Jerry >>>>> There are a lot of good newsreaders, another suggestion is Xnews at >>>>> http://www.slyck.com/xnews.php but it does not have an installation [quoted text clipped - 73 lines] > > Jerry I downloaded the Microsoft Spyware and it seems to do a good job, I have spy bot and blaster and ad-adware. My understanding is that the Mac computers don't have these issues, what is everyone's opinion regarding Mac's? They now have the Mac Mini....Alex |
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