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Socks - 29 Jan 2005 02:25 GMT
Emily -

Call your ISP's (metronet) help desk and ask for Robert Clark.  The problem
is on your end. He thinks you may have a firewall problem, but he isnt
sure.  I am forwarding particulars to your email addy.  He is seeing drops
of messages to other people as well.

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J - 29 Jan 2005 10:12 GMT
> Call your ISP's (metronet) help desk and ask for Robert Clark.  The problem
> is on your end. He thinks you may have a firewall problem, but he isnt
> sure.  I am forwarding particulars to your email addy.  He is seeing drops
> of messages to other people as well.

Just think..there might be 1,000's (just like Em's mom), sending themselves
messages (as a test) or resending to the person or calling the person they sent
an email to, asking whether they've received it or not.
The phone lines must be "abuzzing" right now ... ;-)
It's kind of funny, but not, because some of the messages might be really
urgent to get out (or receive).

Actually is she on dialup?  The last time I heard of such was in a Province in
Canada and it was phone company changes that was said to be the cause.

J
Socks - 29 Jan 2005 19:30 GMT
>> Call your ISP's (metronet) help desk and ask for Robert Clark.  The
>> problem is on your end. He thinks you may have a firewall problem,
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>
> J

This was pretty definitely a misconfigured personal firewall.  FWIW,
she's on broadband.  The problem has been solved to the extent that
turning off her personal firewall and relying on the broadband
supplier's firewall has made it go away.  

On the one hand, it would be good for her to figure out what was wrong
with the firewall, fix it, and turn it back on.  OTOH, my configuration
is similar to hers. I have a personal firewall on all my machines
backing up my broadband supplier's firewall.  When I was on dial-up, my
logs would be filled with reports of attempted hacks.  The day I
switched to broadband, my daily attempts log went from 24kb in size to
1kb in size, and generally is an empty file.

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Jerry - 29 Jan 2005 16:56 GMT
> Emily -
>
> Call your ISP's (metronet) help desk and ask for Robert Clark.  The problem
> is on your end. He thinks you may have a firewall problem, but he isnt
> sure.  I am forwarding particulars to your email addy.  He is seeing drops
> of messages to other people as well.

Emily,

If you receive no emails from any source it is likely a configuration or
firewall problem. Check your logs to see if port 110 Incoming Server (POP3)
or port 25 the Outgoing Server (SMTP) is being blocked. (There are Trojans
that also use those ports so there may be valid rules to block those
connections. Do not change those rules.)

If you receive some emails and you are running an antispam program check to
see if Socks is being trapped by a spam filter. This is most likely the
problem.

Jerry
Socks - 29 Jan 2005 19:30 GMT
> If you receive some emails and you are running an antispam program
> check to see if Socks is being trapped by a spam filter. This is most
> likely the problem.

her problem was outbound, not inbound.

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Emily - 30 Jan 2005 13:34 GMT
spamrecycle@chooseyourmail.com said...
> Emily,
>
> If you receive no emails from any source it is likely a configuration or
> firewall problem.

It was an outgoing SMTP problem and seems to be solved for the
time being by disabling my personal firewall - which isn't
something I'm happy about doing.  I'll have to check the
settings to see if I can figure out a compromise.  Thanks for
your help though Jerry - it's kind of you to bother.
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Jerry - 30 Jan 2005 20:58 GMT
> spamrecycle@chooseyourmail.com said...
>> Emily,
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> settings to see if I can figure out a compromise.  Thanks for
> your help though Jerry - it's kind of you to bother.

What is your firewall software? Maybe I can help or steer you to someone
who can. It is very risky to go online with broadband access and a disabled
firewall.

Jerry
Emily - 31 Jan 2005 00:46 GMT
spamrecycle@chooseyourmail.com said...
> > It was an outgoing SMTP problem and seems to be solved for the
> > time being by disabling my personal firewall - which isn't
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> who can. It is very risky to go online with broadband access and a disabled
> firewall.

My broadband supplier (Metronet.co.uk) run their own firewall
which they supply free of charge to their customers; my modem
router (http://tinyurl.com/owlu) has a built-in firewall which
defaults to 'off'; my personal firewall which I was using here
is Outpost (free version).

I have Metronet's firewall configured to stop inbound
nuisances; I've changed the setting on the router firewall to
'on'; I've disabled Outpost for the time being until I can
figure out what all the various options mean.

Sometimes I really wish I knew more about computers :-\
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Jerry - 31 Jan 2005 22:07 GMT
> spamrecycle@chooseyourmail.com said...
>>> It was an outgoing SMTP problem and seems to be solved for the
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>
> Sometimes I really wish I knew more about computers :-\

Your router is a NAT (Network Address Translation) firewall, and you have a
software firewall also, that is good. So you might not be exposed.

Can you run an online test to see if you are exposed on the network? Go to
http://security.symantec.com/sscv6/default.asp?langid=ie&venid=sym
and click on the Security Scan start button(s). (To run Security Scan, you
must be using at least Internet Explorer 5.0, Netscape 4.5 or Safari 1.0.)
Wait while it downloads and runs the ActiveX Controls. If your firewall
asks you to block/allow the ActiveX, you should allow it. It should give a
report telling you that you are secure or exposed, and the areas that are
exposed if any.

If that scanner does not work I might be able to find another that will.

Jerry
Emily - 02 Feb 2005 21:04 GMT
spamrecycle@chooseyourmail.com said...
> Can you run an online test to see if you are exposed on the network? Go to
> http://security.symantec.com/sscv6/default.asp?langid=ie&venid=sym 
> and click on the Security Scan start button(s). (To run Security Scan, you
> must be using at least Internet Explorer 5.0, Netscape 4.5 or Safari 1.0.)

I may not know much, but I know enough not to give disc space
to IE or NN.  I wot not of Safari.  If their website can't
cope with Mozilla in its various flavours (I use Firefox) -
and it can't - I fear I can't be bothered with the website.  
Sorry.

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Jerry - 02 Feb 2005 21:22 GMT
> I may not know much, but I know enough not to give disc space
> to IE or NN.  I wot not of Safari.  If their website can't
> cope with Mozilla in its various flavours (I use Firefox) -
> and it can't - I fear I can't be bothered with the website.  
> Sorry.

I use Firefox and Mozilla too, but find that some necessary websites will
not work with them. Just trying to help.

Jerry
Socks - 02 Feb 2005 23:15 GMT
> spamrecycle@chooseyourmail.com said...
>> Can you run an online test to see if you are exposed on the network?
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> and it can't - I fear I can't be bothered with the website.  
> Sorry.

Opera lets you pretend to be another browser and OS.  I always claim that
my OS is CP/M and my browser is Nutscape 1.0

Symantec is a particular problem. I occasionally send them my resume with a
cover letter offering to help them develop platform independent
applications.

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Emily - 03 Feb 2005 16:05 GMT
agent01413@my-deja.com said...
> Opera lets you pretend to be another browser and OS.  I always claim that
> my OS is CP/M and my browser is Nutscape 1.0

*Boggle*!!  I like it!  I like it a lot!  How about CP/M with
one of the early RISC OS browsers?

> Symantec is a particular problem. I occasionally send them my resume with a
> cover letter offering to help them develop platform independent
> applications.

I'm not a great fan of Symantec these days I must admit.  I
fell out with their outlook on things when they bought and
spoiled AtGuard by making it a paid-for application rather
than a rather nice little freebie.  Mind you, it's still
'available' - if you know where to look... ;-)
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