Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Cancer / February 2005
Cicatricial Pemphigoid.
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Glen A. RITCHIE - 29 Jan 2005 05:03 GMT Hello all,
I recently lost my long-time friend, Bob - the man who was my partner for 14 years - to cicatricial pemphigoid, which is apparently a form of cancer of the mucous membranes.
According to his family, he first showed signs of this disease sometime around Christmas 2003.
Evidently, my friend didn't want to see very many people including his own family, because of the way the disease affected his appearance.
Why I say this, is because it was around that time that I felt as though he was pushing me away from him.
We were no longer in contact at all after his 71st birthday on February 23rd, 2004.
It wasn't until October 14th, 2004 that I actually learned that he'd passed away on July 28th, 2004.
Aside from being absolutely devastated over my loss, I also deeply regret not having stayed in touch with him, and as such, I never got the chance to visit him or take care of him when he was sick, let alone to even say goodbye.
My questions are:
(1) Is this form of cancer very rare?
(2) Would this particular type of cancer be caused or aggravated by lifestyle factors or traumatic events?
(3) Are certain groups more susceptible to this disease than others (e.g., age, ethnicity, gender)?
(4) Can a patient live relatively comfortably or independently up to a point, considering the condition?
(5) Is much pain involved, or is there any way to ease the suffering of a patient with this disease (e.g., drugs, surgery, therapy)?
(6) Do patients of this disease tend to experience more pain than any other type of cancer, especially in view of the fact that it is a disease which is so difficult to treat and respond to treatment?
(7) Can this disease induce secondary conditions, such as diabetes and high-blood pressure?
(8) What is the usual duration of this disease?
(9) Would a patient with this disease be informed at the outset that they are suffering from a terminal illness?
(10) Does this disease always end with the loss of the patient, or there cases of known survivors?
Sorry if these questions seem morbid, but I feel that I need to know that my friend received the best care available.
Either way, I would greatly appreciate receiving whatever information you may be able to provide.
Also, a referral to community resources which specialise in counselling family members and friends of people who've suffered from this disease could be helpful.
Although I've reached out to resources which I posted earlier, they were unable to address the particular issues I have surrounding this disease.
Thank you in advance for your support.
Sincerely,
Glen A. RITCHIE
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Steph - 29 Jan 2005 05:25 GMT > Hello all, > [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > (1) Is this form of cancer very rare? Nasty disease though it is, pemphigoid is NOT cancer
J - 29 Jan 2005 09:58 GMT > I recently lost my long-time friend, Bob > - the man who was my partner for 14 years - to cicatricial pemphigoid, which [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > (1) Is this form of cancer very rare? Hello Glen, As Steph said it's not cancer. I'm sorry about your friend.
Diabetes and high BP can be secondary to anything and/or standalone.
There's info here. http://www.pemphigus.org/typesofgoid.html "Cicatricial pemphigoid is predominantly a disease of the elderly with a peak incidence between 60 and 80 years"
In order to find community resources, you might find some if you type the phrase into Google search engine, then add the word of your /their State/Province http://www.google.com/advanced_search , although when I tried two "samples", nothing much came up. It must be rare or under a different name. Perhaps the best you can do is point them all to local grief resources.
My condoleances to you and the family. J
Glen A. RITCHIE - 29 Jan 2005 19:16 GMT > > My questions are: > > > > (1) Is this form of cancer very rare? > > Hello Glen, As Steph said it's not > cancer. That's puzzling, because Bob was treated at the Ottawa Regional Cancer Centre, and his son had specifically defined it as cancer of the mucous membranes.
As Bob's son and daughter-in-law took care of him in their home the last eight long months of his life, one would think that they would've been given accurate information as to the nature of the disease.
> I'm sorry about your friend. Thank you for your sympathy.
> Diabetes and high BP can be > secondary to anything and/or > standalone. I've since gathered that it is not totally uncommon for cancer patients to contract diabetes and high-blood pressure.
> There's info here. > http://www.pemphigus.org/typesofgoid.html
> "Cicatricial pemphigoid is > predominantly a disease of the elderly > with a peak incidence between 60 and > 80 years" I find it extremely difficult (to say the least) to read descriptions and view pictures of the symptoms of this horrible, agonising disease.
Everytime I do, I can see Bob suffering behind the pictures, and it just tears me apart.
> In order to find community resources, > you might find some if you type the [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > nothing much came up. It must be rare > or under a different name. It is very rare, apparently.
> Perhaps the best you can do is point > them all to local grief resources. It might be best for me to contact the Ottawa Regional Cancer Centre, as they would (hopefully) have specialised resources.
Then again, because it's rare, and not exactly cancer, I likely wouldn't be able to find anyone else with whom I can share the issues outlined in my previous post.
I've received absolutely no sympathy or support in the gay 'community' here whatsoever, because most people automatically assume without even knowing Bob that he died of AIDS.
This is one of the worst insults, because Bob was always careful and faithful.
Equally as cold and cruel are comments I've got from the same quarters, such as, "Aren't you over that yet?", "Try to be positive", "When you're ready to move on, we can talk again", etc., etc., ETC.
Typical of the fairweather friends and good-time boys one encounters in the gay 'community' here.
I suppose I shouldn't expect much if anything, considering that the majority of gay men haven't got even the slightest clue what an exclusive long-term relationship really is (and that's putting it very diplomatically).
I've lost relatives and friends before, yet none of these losses has ever had the same devastating impact as this.
> My condoleances to you and the > family. > J Once again, thank you.
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J - 29 Jan 2005 21:13 GMT > "J" <oleah@anon.anon> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > eight long months of his life, one would think that they would've been given > accurate information as to the nature of the disease. I really cannot speak to who said what, but if you check that Cicatricial Pemphigoid website, Cytoxan (cyclophosphamide) is given and it's a chemo agent, so perhaps that's why he was in a cancer hospital and/or they had a physician (of any specialty) who had encountered such before/somewhere in that physician's experience. My conjecture is (since they mention that it usually occurs in ages of 60 - 80), that many (if there are others in Ottawa) are in nursing homes or are cared for at home. I could be wrong though.
> [snip] I find it extremely difficult (to say the least) to read descriptions > and [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > able to find anyone else with whom I can share the issues outlined in my > previous post. I think you've just answered your own concern (above) although you could check with a pastoral (or social services) unit there, if they've had other patients with same disease. If so, you could start a local support group, if that suits you and the family. You could put an announcement out in newspaper or and/or on their bulletin board.
Another idea, would be to create a Canadian webpage dedicated to Bob and the disease and if there's others out there with same, when searching on the www, they would find you. It could be fairly simple, pointing to the other website, and having a MSN discussion board, for discussions of same. If you eventually found enough people, you could create a charity /foundation, I guess. (non-profit, collecting donations for research etc.) and educating the public.
> I've received absolutely no sympathy or support in the gay 'community' here > whatsoever, because most people automatically assume without even knowing [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Typical of the fairweather friends and good-time boys one encounters in the > gay 'community' here. I'm sorry that's been happening, Glen. I am very sorry to hear of your loss, take comfort from knowing that he is at peace now and no longer suffering.
In the meantime, I would think that you could find "community" and caring here. http://www.griefnet.org/ There's 47 email support lists. And apparently they would start a new one, if you don't find one there that fits.
Best wishes in your grieving and healing process. I hope this helps. J
Glen A. RITCHIE - 12 Feb 2005 17:07 GMT > I really cannot speak to who said what, > but if you check that Cicatricial [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > before/somewhere in that physician's > experience. From what his son told me, Bob did receive chemotherapy, but his condition didn't respond, and he passed away shortly thereafter.
> My conjecture is (since they mention > that it usually occurs in ages of 60 - > 80), that many (if there are others in > Ottawa) are in nursing homes or are > cared for at home. > I could be wrong though. I gather it's less than one in a million; very rare.
Given this, I'd be extremely surprised if there was even one other person in Ottawa with the same disease.
(Ottawa has a population of 800,000; just under one million.)
Even though he was surrounded by the love of his family, he must've felt extremely alone with the disease he faced.
> I think you've just answered your own > concern (above) although you could > check with a pastoral (or social > services) unit there, Interesting you should mention that - I've undergone some grief counselling with an Anglican Priest nearby.
Although he couldn't address the many questions I have with respect to the disease, he was nevertheless very compassionate and supportive.
> if they've had other patients with same > disease. If so, you could start a local > support group, if that suits you and the > family. I feel that Bob's family has had more than enough to deal with around this disease already; if and when they wish to get behind something like this, that'll be for them to decide.
Either way, I would definitely consult his family before proceeding with anything on my own, especially if his name was involved.
Of course, I'll do more for this cause as I'm ready and able to do so.
> You could put an announcement > out in newspaper or and/or on their > bulletin board. > > Another idea, would be to create a > Canadian webpage dedicated to Bob Since Bob was never officially out to his family, I would have to respect his wishes by not identifying him as anything other than my long-time friend.
I have circulated a tribute I wrote for Bob to my family, friends, colleagues and others who knew him, which also promotes the fund in his name at the Ottawa Regional Cancer Centre.
> and the disease and if there's others > out there with same, when searching [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > discussion board, for discussions of > same. Is this what you mean?:
http://groups.msn.com/PemphigusPemphigoid
Why reinvent the wheel, right?
> If you eventually found enough people, > you could create a charity /foundation, I > guess. (non-profit, collecting donations > for research etc.) and educating the > public. All excellent suggestions.
Besides the link you posted for the International Pemphigus Foundation, here is another organisation that does just that:
http://www.1clever.org/
> I'm sorry that's been happening, Glen. > I am very sorry to hear of your loss, > take comfort from knowing that he is at > peace now and no longer suffering. I still just wish that I'd known Bob was so sick, and that I could've been there for him.
> In the meantime, I would think that you > could find "community" and caring [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > apparently they would start a new one, > if you don't find one there that fits. I think what I'll do is search for existing support groups (likely on-line, given the rarity of the disease), and then I will post them in newsgroups such as this one.
> Best wishes in your grieving and > healing process. > I hope this helps. Just knowing that someone somewhere cares enough to say a kind word and to extend a hand is wonderful, especially given the treatment that I previously outlined.
Thanks a lot.
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J - 12 Feb 2005 18:27 GMT > From what his son told me, Bob did receive chemotherapy, but his condition > didn't respond, and he passed away shortly thereafter. So now we know why he was treated at the Ottawa Gen.
> I gather it's less than one in a million; very rare. > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > his wishes by not identifying him as anything other than my long-time > friend. Of course, he wasn't his sexual orientation, nor his disease, he was a human and your friend, - so "my friend Bob, who had Cicatricial Pemphigoid"
> <snip tribute fund> > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Why reinvent the wheel, right? Right.
> <snip> > [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > extend a hand is wonderful, especially given the treatment that I previously > outlined. Glen, You're doing a fine job of collecting resources.
I noted one thing - the 3 persons on the MSN groups must feel very alone too and I was wondering if you want to pop in and tell them about your plan to make a web page and inform people via email or newsgroups postings about the disease, the MSN support group, and about your friend Bob. I'm sure they'd be delighted to hear from you and not feel so alone.
As to newsgroups, once your webpage has been designed and more or less, finalized with as many informational resources and that support resource, sure post it once in a while here, although I have to remind you that it is not cancer.
Other newsgroups could be sci.med sci.med.diseases.cancer alt.support.diseases.autoimmune.lupus alt.support.lupus and any other newsgroups you can think of (you may have to check FAQ's or Charters first though in order not to get reported or flamed. Most newsgroupers are pretty forgiving as long as the post isn't repeated more than a few times a month.
BUT please don't be "spamming" the web page - meaning posting it too frequently and/or asking for funds. If people are interested or know someone, they will investigate your web page and decide whether to donate or not. You could get reported by anyone on any newsgroup for asking for donations in the body of your post. Hopefully the/your main purpose is gathering people together who have the disease or who know someone with or who had the disease, right?
I would also suggest that you not "spam" your email friends with this. In both instances, newsgroup and email, if you tag it as a signature line such as:
-- Vist my webpage about Cicatricial Pemphigoid (autoimmune blistering disease) dedicated to my friend Bob http://www....the rest of the website
Then you'll still get the message out without being "in your face" about it. I hope you understand.
I look forward to seeing the finished product (web page) before you start sending it out.
Thank you for sharing and my best wishes to you. J
J - 29 Jan 2005 21:23 GMT > > There's info here. > > http://www.pemphigus.org/typesofgoid.html Have a look here, Glen http://www.pemphigus.org/services.html and see what, if anything, is listed for Canada. J
Glen A. RITCHIE - 04 Feb 2005 05:21 GMT > Have a look here, Glen > http://www.pemphigus.org/services.html > and see what, if anything, is listed for > Canada. > J Unfortunately, nothing in the way of support groups is listed for Canada; however, it's still an excellent resource.
The contents of the web site are written in plain English, whereas others I've read are quite technical.
Whilst it answered some of the questions I had, it was still rather emotional for me to read.
For me, I'm not just reading about cold, hard facts, I'm reading about the pain and suffering of a loved one.
At least this web site didn't have photographs of cicatricial pemphigoid patients; I don't know if I could ever take seeing that again without bawling my eyes out for hours.
Thanks for the research.
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Guess Who - 30 Jan 2005 00:51 GMT > I've lost relatives and friends before, yet none of these losses has ever > had the same devastating impact as this. Sorry to hear about your loss, normal grieving can take up to one year, Alex
J - 30 Jan 2005 13:12 GMT > Sorry to hear about your loss, normal grieving can take up to one year, Alex On behalf of those (here) who've lost ones, there's no time frame for grieving. Every person/circumstance is different. J
Guess Who - 30 Jan 2005 16:52 GMT >> Sorry to hear about your loss, normal grieving can take up to one year, >> Alex [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Every person/circumstance is different. >J Yes, every person is very different, I based my one year time framing on several factors: The inservices I had attended given by LICSW who when asked the question, How long should a person grieve for and when is it abnormal, the answer was 6 months to 1 year.
The Medicare benefit allows counseling to one year, initially it was 6 months now it is up to one year, I believe they made that adjustment based on cosumer and clinician demand.
J - 30 Jan 2005 17:30 GMT > The Medicare benefit allows counseling to one year, initially it was 6 > months now it is up to one year, I believe they made that adjustment based > on cosumer and clinician demand. That's important info to know. Thank you, J
Simm Webb - 30 Jan 2005 17:45 GMT > > [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > I don't know where you get your figures from, but I lost my wife 6 years ago, and I still miss her. You should take your nose out of books and look at the real world once in a while.
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eveline - 30 Jan 2005 19:12 GMT Well, I have to get in on this. I lost my spouse over a year ago. He passed Veterans Day 11-11-2003 YES, everyone grieves differently according to their loss....what that person meant to them. A friend, and aunt, a spouse a mother or father, the degrees can be different and the resolving of feelings will take a different amount of time according to that special relationship and emotional feelings unresolved.
I am getting better. I no longer cry each time I think of him and past experiences. I have adjusted and am not waking up frightened thinking I have overslept and not giving him his routine care.
I am getting used to actually getting sleep that I sorely went without to care for him. Now I can actually think of myself and MY needs without guilt. It has been a LONG time since I was able to do so.
But I tend to agree with my friend Alex. It takes about a year, give or take a few months one way or another, to get through that deepest devastation and loss called grief. We never do get over missing them!!!
eveline
Guess Who wrote: Guess Who wrote:
Sorry to hear about your loss, normal grieving can take up to one year, Alex On behalf of those (here) who've lost ones, there's no time frame for grieving. Every person/circumstance is different. J Yes, every person is very different, I based my one year time framing on several factors: The inservices I had attended given by LICSW who when asked the question, How long should a person grieve for and when is it abnormal, the answer was 6 months to 1 year.
The Medicare benefit allows counseling to one year, initially it was 6 months now it is up to one year, I believe they made that adjustment based on cosumer and clinician demand.
I don't know where you get your figures from, but I lost my wife 6 years ago, and I still miss her. You should take your nose out of books and look at the real world once in a while.
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J - 30 Jan 2005 20:07 GMT > Well, I have to get in on this. I lost my spouse over a year ago. He > passed Veterans Day 11-11-2003YES, everyone grieves differently > according to their loss....what that person meant to them.A friend, and > aunt, a spouse a mother or father, the degrees can be different and the > resolving of feelings will take a different amount of time according to > that special relationship and emotional feelings unresolved. I suppose part of that also depends on how long the couple were together and what type of relationship they had with each other. Those factors vary. J
eveline - 30 Jan 2005 20:25 GMT No it all goes to the love for that person. The relationship could be short or long - it is the FEELINGs and what that person meant to us. The relationship could have been rocky or the person ill a very long time. The only thing that matters is the loss that is felt and the attachment one had to that special person.
We were married about 60 years. Friends 64 years. He was ill a very long time. A few of those years difficult to get along with as the dementia made him anxious and paranoid. The last seven years he did not even know me or remember I was his wife. (He did thankfully feel close to me and comfortable about our relationship. That was important as I did total care of him and he died at home.)
None of that had anything to do with the love I had for him or the loss I feel deeply.
You cannot generalize. Naturally where there is no love, the loss is not usually felt deeply and so not the degree of grief. Maybe no grief is experienced in that situation.
eveline
> > Well, I have to get in on this. I lost my spouse over a year ago. He > > passed Veterans Day 11-11-2003YES, everyone grieves differently [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Those factors vary. > J J - 30 Jan 2005 20:37 GMT > No it all goes to the love for that person. The relationship could be short > or long - it is the FEELINGs and what that person meant to us. The > relationship could have been rocky or the person ill a very long time. The > only thing that matters is the loss that is felt and the attachment one had > to that special person. That's basicially what I said. There's an echo in here....
> We were married about 60 years. Friends 64 years. He was ill a very long > time. A few of those years difficult to get along with as the dementia > made him anxious and paranoid. The last seven years he did not even know me > or remember I was his wife. Foul: you would have started grieving losses much earlier. Every person/situation differs... J
J - 30 Jan 2005 20:02 GMT >> "J" <rolea@anon.anon> wrote in message >> Guess Who wrote: [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > I don't know where you get your figures from, but I lost my wife 6 years > ago, and I still miss her. I'm with you, Eddie, everybody has their own time for grieving, although for some, the first year is the worst.
> You should take your nose out of books and look at the real world once > in a while. With ya on that one too. There's book smarts, street smarts and life smarts. The fortunate ones have all three. The smart ones don't feel they have to wave their "book smarts" around. Some of the worst I've worked with had book smarts. They walk in with their diploma/degree with their hands out, waiting for somebody to give them their platter. The ones who jump in and learn from bottom up and actually work, I admire.
:-) J
PSI hope this posts okay, you posted in html. I'm having trouble replying because there's 2 or 3 blue lines along the left side, but will try posting anyway) dum..da..dum..dum..we might get in trouble with Jerry. (hope not)
Glen A. RITCHIE - 23 Feb 2005 22:19 GMT Hello all,
Today - Wednesday, February 23rd, 2005 - would've been the 72nd birthday of my long-time friend, Bob.
I recently learned of the loss of my long-time friend, Bob, to cicatricial pemphigoid (a rare disease of the mucous membranes).
I can't honestly sum up in only a matter of words or phrases the kind of man Bob was, or the deeply personal friendship we had over the course of 14 years.
A lot of memories just seem to spontaneously spring up through an association with him, whether it be an expression or a joke, a song or a TV show, a cat or a plant (since he loved pets and gardening), a gift or a restaurant.
We used to talk about anything and everything, and go everywhere and nowhere, together.
I also know that he truly loved his family, and that he would drop everything to be with them or to do things for them.
And photographs of Bob's children and grandchildren, proudly displayed on the walls of his apartment, met the eyes of every visitor.
I'm surrounded by the good memories and good times we had together.
This would normally be comforting if it were not so distressing to realise that I will never be able to spend time with him again, as Bob is now gone from this life forever.
I deeply regret that I didn't maintain direct contact with him over the past year of his life.
This makes his loss all the more difficult to bear, because I didn't even know that he had become so seriously ill, and consequently I didn't get a chance to visit him or to take care of him like he did for me when I was sick, let alone to say goodbye.
As well, since no one in my family receives The Ottawa Citizen, no one saw his obituary and hence I wasn't informed that he had passed away.
It was my understanding that Bob was given eight months to live after Christmas 2003.
This would seem to fit, as his replies to my greeting cards for Christmas 2003 and for his birthday in February 2004 were terse, as though he was pushing me away.
I can completely understand his reasons for not wanting to let me know he was sick.
After all, he was the type of man who preferred to be needed than to be needy.
Additionally, he had developed diabetes and high-blood pressure, secondary to cicatricial pemphigoid, and it's possible the intense emotions of a final farewell might've affected his health adversely.
I learned of Bob's passing the night before I moved, October 14th, 2004.
I had been attempting to reach Bob by e-mail and phone, and I found it strange that my e-mails hadn't been received and that his line had been disconnected.
Although I still had some last-minute details to take care of the night before I moved, I decided to investigate the situation, as I knew it would plague my mind not knowing as much as knowing.
So, I decided to get into my car and drive out to Bob's place.
When I arrived there shortly after 21:00, I couldn't help but notice that the lights were all out in his basement apartment, and a tree that had been cut down was obstructing the path to his door.
This is when I knew something was terribly wrong, because Bob used to go to bed every night at 22:30 after watching "Seinfeld", and I couldn't see him letting a fallen tree lie in the way of his apartment for very long.
With a great sense of dread, I knocked on the door to his son Kevin and daughter-in-law April's place (Bob lived in the basement apartment of their triplex), as it didn't seem that the doorbell to Bob's apartment was connected.
Kevin informed me at the door that Bob had passed away on July 28th, 2004, and he invited me in because it was obvious that I was (and still am) in such a state of shock.
I didn't get any sleep whatsoever that night or much the following nights, as this was the worst news that I ever could have possibly received.
I've lost relatives and friends before, yet none of these losses has ever had the same devastating impact as this.
At the very least, I was hoping to share the good news of my move with Bob.
Now I'll never have that chance.
Bob survived many tragedies in his life, such as the loss of both his parents when he was barely into his teens, the loss of his nephew and family home in a fire, as well as the loss of his son David in a motorcycle accident; and like so many other things about him, I just took it for granted that somehow he'd always be around.
In this age of euthanasia, Bob was exceptionally courageous to continue facing each new day, despite the fact that he fully knew he would be suffering from a constellation of serious medical conditions, which would ultimately result in his mortality.
I can't even begin to imagine how extremely difficult it was for Kevin and April to see his health deteriorate before their very eyes, and to act as Nurses to Bob with his various afflictions for months, when most people their age would simply spare themselves the 'inconvenience' and put him in a hospice.
This action in itself shows what kind of man Bob was, and at the same time shows what kind of people his son and daughter-in-law are, ensuring that he received the personal care he needed by none other than the very ones he loved, right till the end.
No one else I've met before or since has been as generous, hospitable or loyal as Bob was.
He helped me in so many ways, and I learned so many things from him.
Needless to say, I miss him dearly; he was without a doubt the best friend I've ever had.
I would give anything in the world to have Bob back, alive and well; to see him, talk with him, and to be with him, even just to watch TV.
Above all else, I want to keep his memory alive, yet respect his wishes at the same time.
In this regard, his family has requested that friends honour Bob's memory through a fund dedicated in his name.
Although this fund is designed to further general cancer research, the donor can have their contribution designated specifically for cicatricial pemphigoid, since no work is presently being done on this disease in Ottawa (according to Dr. Michael MCBURNEY of the Ottawa Regional Cancer Centre).
This is a wonderful way to both honour a loved one and to help fight this terrible disease.
No one else should ever again have to suffer from this disease as Bob did.
Gifts can be made to:
Account # 82799 In Memoriam Programme Ottawa Regional Cancer Centre Foundation 503 Smyth Road Ottawa, Ontario K1H 1C4 Tel: (613) 247-3527 Fax: (613)247-3526
If you would like to make a donation online, please click here:
http://www.orccfoundation.ca
Even if you didn't know him, we all know someone in our life who has been affected by cancer.
The fund benefits everyone, either way.
Best regards.
Sincerely,
Glen A. RITCHIE
P.S.: Please contact me at glenaritchie at sympatico dot ca if you should require Bob's full name as well as his obituary.
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Alayne - 24 Feb 2005 07:31 GMT > Hello all, > [quoted text clipped - 183 lines] > a highly reputable agency, the > United Nations. A loss of someone so dear is always hard to bear but one day the memories will evoke smiles rather than tears, and remember your friend Bob is now at peace.
Warm Hugs
Alayne
Glen A. RITCHIE - 25 Feb 2005 22:36 GMT > A loss of someone so dear is always > hard to bear but one day the memories [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Alayne Thank you for your sympathy and support, Alayne.
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