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Socks - 26 Jan 2005 20:24 GMT
figgertoes was looking at scheduling a trip to Wales in May. do we have a
tentative asc gathering date at your abode?
Emily - 26 Jan 2005 22:47 GMT
agent01413@my-deja.com said...
> figgertoes was looking at scheduling a trip to Wales in May. do we have a
> tentative asc gathering date at your abode?

We certainly do!  Does your reply-to address work?  If so I'll
email you some details of where we are.
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Socks - 27 Jan 2005 01:44 GMT
> agent01413@my-deja.com said...
>> figgertoes was looking at scheduling a trip to Wales in May. do we
>> have a tentative asc gathering date at your abode?
>>
> We certainly do!  Does your reply-to address work?  If so I'll
> email you some details of where we are.

it doesnt. i'll come up with a solution later
Emily - 27 Jan 2005 08:59 GMT
agent01413@my-deja.com said...

> > agent01413@my-deja.com said...
> >> figgertoes was looking at scheduling a trip to Wales in May. do we
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> it doesnt. i'll come up with a solution later

OK.  Try this:

valleys at care for free dot net

You need to know that the Welsh word for valleys is cymoedd
and that there is a homophonous figure four in there
somewhere.
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J - 27 Jan 2005 06:36 GMT
> agent01413@my-deja.com said...
> > figgertoes was looking at scheduling a trip to Wales in May. do we have a
> > tentative asc gathering date at your abode?
> >
> We certainly do!  Does your reply-to address work?  If so I'll
> email you some details of where we are.

If Socks is willing and you and Alayne share email addresses, he can send his
email address to
callforvotes at yahoo dot ca and I'll send it to Alayne and she can send it to
you.
J
Socks - 27 Jan 2005 22:07 GMT
>> agent01413@my-deja.com said...
>> > figgertoes was looking at scheduling a trip to Wales in May. do we
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> send it to you.
> J

I figured out her address from her post in this thread.  Given that it
is late at night there right now I dont expect an answer before morning.  
I sent her a link to my blog so she could verify that it's me.

Keep May open. A date has not yet been set, but May seems most
appropriate.  April may be too chilly, and US Memorial Day in late May
is the start of the summer higher airline fares.

Friends here have suggested that as a good will gesture to the Welsh, we
bring along extra suitcases full of vowels.  We feel as Americans it is
only appropriate. Here's why:

Yesterday morning, a couple of friends and I were sitting around at the
Northern Renaissance Faire when the discussion turned to languages --
most notably Old English, Irish Gaelic and, inevitably, Welsh.  It is
quite interesting discussing these in a frame of mind meant to emulate
that of the latter 1500s.

Now, Welsh is a most peculiar language in that it appears to have words
which turn out to look more like acronyms, or the linguistic equivalent
of line noise.  If you've ever seen Welsh written out, you know what I
mean -- each word is typically a bunch of consonants with a few vowels
sprinkled here and there for flavor, and is in no way connected with a
word that sounds like its Anglo-Latin equivalent.  Take, for example,
the word "Wales" -- the name of their own country.  They spell it
"CYMRU".  Makes perfect sense, right?  Yeah, thought so.  It looks more
like an acronym for "Celtic Youth Mythical Research Union", or something
like that.  And that's just one of the short words (ask someone who
is a bit more familiar with Welsh to come up with a longer one -- they
can achieve twenty or more letters in one word, and you're lucky if
there's more than two vowels in the bunch).

Well, we finally figured out what must have happened.

Ages ago, long before the latter 1500s, there must have been a large
exodus from Wales which eventually settled in what is now called Hawaii.

\...and they took all the vowels with them when they left.  

(note - I stole this)
Emily - 27 Jan 2005 23:10 GMT
agent01413@my-deja.com said...

[...8<...8<...]

> Well, we finally figured out what must have happened.
>
> Ages ago, long before the latter 1500s, there must have been a large
> exodus from Wales which eventually settled in what is now called Hawaii.
>
> \...and they took all the vowels with them when they left.

Help!  I need a new keyboard!  There is tea all over it and
I'm having to wipe down the monitor as well.  Has anyone got a
cloth I can borrow please?  Right, you asked for it...

Rydych chi'n siarad Cymraeg yn rhugl?  Nag wyt?  O mae'n rhy
drwg, mae rhaid i chi ddysgu'r iaith o Nefoedd cyn bo hir!

(Do you speak Welsh fluently?  No?  Oh that's too bad, you
must learn the language of Heaven before too long)

See?  There're plenty of vowels in there!

My husband adds his comment "Mae'n flin da fi, ond dw i ddim
yn siarad Cymraeg o gwbl.  Dych chi'n siarad Saesneg os
gwelwch yn dda?"

(I'm sorry, but I don't speak Welsh at all.  Do you speak
English please?)

Oh, and the long place name on Anglesey?  It was made up just
so that it would become a tourist attraction.  However, for
those of you who haven't yet experienced the oddness that is
Welsh here it is:

Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch

If you really want to learn to pronounce it you'll get help at
http://tinyurl.com/6vjgy - but don't bother with the QuickTime
sound file except as a very rough guide because I've never
heard any Welshman pronounce it like that :-\

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Socks - 27 Jan 2005 23:49 GMT
Emily <emily@privacy.net> wrote in news:MPG.1c638522cad2eafb98b910
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> Oh, and the long place name on Anglesey?  It was made up just
> so that it would become a tourist attraction.  However, for
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> If you really want to learn to pronounce it you'll get help at
> http://tinyurl.com/6vjgy -

i thought that would be pronounced something like smithtown

sorry that i forgot the C&C
Emily - 28 Jan 2005 01:02 GMT
agent01413@my-deja.com said...
> Subject: Re: paging emily
> From: Socks <agent01413@my-deja.com>

Socks, I got your email and tried to reply, but I've just had
an 'undeliverable' wotnot.

<quote>
This is the Postfix program at host mail.nilenet.com.

I'm sorry to have to inform you that the message returned
below could not be delivered to one or more destinations.

For further assistance, please send mail to <postmaster>

If you do so, please include this problem report. You can
delete your own text from the message returned below.

            The Postfix program

<*****@nilenet.com>: permission denied. Command output:
procmail: Enforcing
   stricter permissions on "/var/mail/*****"
</quote>

The asterisks are mine and take the place of your first
initial and surname.

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Socks - 28 Jan 2005 01:38 GMT
Emily <emily@privacy.net> wrote in news:MPG.1c639f6b9de335a298b923
@news.individual.net:

>                The Postfix program
>
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> The asterisks are mine and take the place of your first
> initial and surname.

my spam filter thinks that you're mailing me from Korea.  Why?

Checking korea.blackholes.us makes it clear that I have a bug in my spam
filters.  I'm going to yank the korea test, or at least fix it.  I'm at
GMT-7, and it is 1837 right now.  Give me 20 minutes to fix, then try
again.
Emily - 28 Jan 2005 10:27 GMT
agent01413@my-deja.com said...
> Give me 20 minutes to fix, then try again.

By now you've probably got far more copies of the email than
you could possibly want, and the spam filters will be getting
suspicious... ;-)

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Socks - 28 Jan 2005 13:53 GMT
Emily <emily@privacy.net> wrote in news:MPG.1c6423d4cb452e7f98b925
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> agent01413@my-deja.com said...
>> Give me 20 minutes to fix, then try again.
>>
> By now you've probably got far more copies of the email than
> you could possibly want, and the spam filters will be getting
> suspicious... ;-)

nothing showed up from you overnight.  out of annoyance, i have created a
temporary ID. replying to this post by mail will reach a valid address. it
will get harvested, so I will discard the address in a few days.  to
confirm that this is really me, the sig in the mail I originally sent you
made reference to the Unabomber, semi-colons, and the GPS coordinates where
I live, plus my AIM ID.  For some reason, I can't force xnews to accept a
sig at the moment, or I'd reproduce it here.
Emily - 28 Jan 2005 14:04 GMT
socks0128@yahoo.com said...
> to
> confirm that this is really me, the sig in the mail I originally sent you
> made reference to the Unabomber, semi-colons, and the GPS coordinates where
> I live, plus my AIM ID.  

It did indeedy, and you should by now have an email from me; a
copy of the original that didn't get through.

I loved the .sig and chuckled a lot, since the semi-colon has
been known to feature in my writing every so often.  So, am I
mentally unstable or educated?  Or - horrors - perhaps both?  
:-)

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Socks - 28 Jan 2005 16:33 GMT
> socks0128@yahoo.com said...
>> to
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> It did indeedy, and you should by now have an email from me; a
> copy of the original that didn't get through.

well. nothing at the yahoo address either. Now I'm getting concerned. you
dont suppose the Bush administration is making arrangements to keep me from
fleeing the country?

> I loved the .sig and chuckled a lot, since the semi-colon has
> been known to feature in my writing every so often.  So, am I
> mentally unstable or educated?  Or - horrors - perhaps both?  
>:-)

Speaking of sigs, yours is "If you can keep your head when all around are
losing theirs...
then you've failed to grasp some important aspect of the situation."

I believe the quote reads correctly:

"If you can keep your head when all around are losing theirs...
you need to check your answering machine for messages."
Emily - 28 Jan 2005 17:24 GMT
socks0128@yahoo.com said...
> well. nothing at the yahoo address either. Now I'm getting concerned. you
> dont suppose the Bush administration is making arrangements to keep me from
> fleeing the country?

I've re-sent to the yahoo addy; I'll re-send to the other one
as well.
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J - 28 Jan 2005 17:40 GMT
> socks0128@yahoo.com said...
> > well. nothing at the yahoo address either. Now I'm getting concerned. you
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> I've re-sent to the yahoo addy; I'll re-send to the other one
> as well.

I sent a "test" to Alayne to see if Canada to England works.
I wonder if there's a cable break somewhere? (under the ocean?)
J
Alayne - 28 Jan 2005 17:41 GMT
> > socks0128@yahoo.com said...
> > > well. nothing at the yahoo address either. Now I'm getting concerned. you
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> I wonder if there's a cable break somewhere? (under the ocean?)
> J

No probs between Canada and England, but then (and she will so kill me for
this) Wales is in the outback ;-)

Hugs All :-)

Alayne
Emily - 28 Jan 2005 22:22 GMT
totallyfake@emailaddress.com said...
> > I sent a "test" to Alayne to see if Canada to England works.
> > I wonder if there's a cable break somewhere? (under the ocean?)
> > J
> >
> No probs between Canada and England, but then (and she will so kill me for
> this) Wales is in the outback ;-)

We finally managed to make contact.  Dashed odd though - I
wonder what happened to the emails I sent that didn't get
through?
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Socks - 28 Jan 2005 23:46 GMT
> totallyfake@emailaddress.com said...
>> > I sent a "test" to Alayne to see if Canada to England works.
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> wonder what happened to the emails I sent that didn't get
> through?

robert at metronet is working on it

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Emily - 29 Jan 2005 00:10 GMT
socks0128@yahoo.com said...

> > totallyfake@emailaddress.com said...
> >> > I sent a "test" to Alayne to see if Canada to England works.
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> robert at metronet is working on it

Whoops.  Sorry, I guess that means it were a problem my end.  
Let's hope it gets sorted.  Oh - I wonder if there have been
any other problems today that I wot not of?  I do hope not.

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Socks - 28 Jan 2005 18:30 GMT
>> socks0128@yahoo.com said...
>> > well. nothing at the yahoo address either. Now I'm getting
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> I wonder if there's a cable break somewhere? (under the ocean?)
> J

nah. it's weirder than that. I forwarded from my yahoo account to my
private account. that's a california to colorado transit. that hasnt shown
up.

I think it's a conspiracy

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Emily - 28 Jan 2005 22:24 GMT
socks0128@yahoo.com said...
Wahey!  I love it!  And don't forget the greengrocer's
apostrophe, as in apple's, pear's, cabbage's etc...  But the
best one I ever saw was adorning a temporary toilet (a
portaloo type thing).  It said <quote> Ladie's </quote>.
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Socks - 28 Jan 2005 18:11 GMT
> socks0128@yahoo.com said...
>> well. nothing at the yahoo address either. Now I'm getting concerned.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> I've re-sent to the yahoo addy; I'll re-send to the other one
> as well.

It finally made it to the yahoo address.  When I forwarded from the yahoo
address, it didnt reach my primary address, nor have I yet to get anything
from you at the primary address.  response is coming from my yahoo account
shortly.

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J - 28 Jan 2005 18:25 GMT
> Emily <emily@privacy.net> wrote in
>
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> from you at the primary address.  response is coming from my yahoo account
> shortly.

firewall?
Socks - 28 Jan 2005 18:33 GMT
>> Emily <emily@privacy.net> wrote in
>>
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> firewall?

not on this machine.  i initially bounced one of hers because of a procmail
bug, but at least that one showed in my logs.  these arent hitting my logs
on the ISPs server.  Nor is she getting bounces.  

I think Homeland Security is worried about what happens if I and Emily's
husband get together and compare notes.

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Emily - 28 Jan 2005 22:29 GMT
socks0128@yahoo.com said...
> I think Homeland Security is worried about what happens if I and Emily's
> husband get together and compare notes.

Yes, I think you've got it.  It's definitely a conspiracy to
prevent the two of you getting together.  You two have a lot
in common.
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Socks - 29 Jan 2005 00:07 GMT
> socks0128@yahoo.com said...
>> I think Homeland Security is worried about what happens if I and
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> prevent the two of you getting together.  You two have a lot
> in common.

I'm pulling strings. we'll see what happens.  There was an unrelated odd
occurance peripherally related to your ISP this morning that was mentioned
on a discussion list that I hang out on. When I commented that I was
waiting for your mail and it wasn't coming, someone in your ISPs tech
support who read it asked for more info. I just did a dump to him.

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shouting GERONIMO!!!" -- Bill McKenna, date unknown

Emily - 29 Jan 2005 10:40 GMT
socks0128@yahoo.com said...
> When I commented that I was
> waiting for your mail and it wasn't coming, someone in your ISPs tech
> support who read it asked for more info.


".....?!!"  <Faints>

<Recovers>  Sorry.  Run that by me again?  A tech support bod
who reads lists?  And then offers to *help*?  I am seriously
impressed.  I am *very* seriously impressed.  I assume you
mean Metronet - they're my broadband suppliers.  That's all
they do for me: they supply my ADSL connection.  The other lot
(c4f) are my ISP since although Metronet offer free a SMTP
service they only offer a paid-for POP3 service.  I elected
not to pay any extra since I already have a PAYG account with
c4f and only need to remember to dial in once a month to keep
the account active.  After this though I may reconsider.  Oh,
and thanks :-)
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Emily - 29 Jan 2005 11:03 GMT
emily@privacy.net said...
> > When I commented that I was
> > waiting for your mail and it wasn't coming, someone in your ISPs tech
> > support who read it asked for more info.
>
>  
> I am seriously impressed.

Further... I have disabled my personal firewall (not Norton -
I'm not quite that daft <g>) and will reply to your email in
the next few minutes.
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Socks - 29 Jan 2005 19:18 GMT
> emily@privacy.net said...
>> > When I commented that I was waiting for your mail and it wasn't
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> quite that daft <g>) and will reply to your email in the next few
> minutes.

I got, and am replying to, your email.  Turning off your firewall solved
the problem.  Your broadband supplier's tech guy might be able to tell
you where and how your firewall was misconfigured so that you can turn
it back on without breaking anything.  He strikes me as the kind who
likes to solve legitimate customer technical problems.

You have a broadband supplier with seriously good customer service.  Be
sure to say nice things about them when the occasion arises, and drop a
thank you note to the guy who took the interest.  I sent you his contact
info.  I already said nice things about him on the technical list where
this started.  I, and many others, complain on that list enough that
being able to compliment someone for doing something is a nice change
and feels good.

<RANT> You had a technical problem that was not obvious or simple to
solve on its face. Those are the kinds of problems that people enjoy
working on and solving, because those are the problems that let us
actually use our brains, and were not caused by user stupidity.
[Misconfiguring a firewall is usually not a case of user stupidity -
configuring a firewall right is a major PITA and misconfigurations are
not always blazingly obvious]  That falls into the 10% area called
entertaining problems.  90% of the time, when I or someone who is an
I.T. expert gets asked to solve a problem, we take a look at the problem
and wonder how the person managed to find their way onto the internet
without someone there to turn their computer on for them.  

I've had messages from people asking for help subscribing to a list
because they can't understand the instructions.  The first line in the
instructions that they forward with the plea for help will provide a
message that says, "To subscribe to this list, click here" follwed by a
URL.  Ditto for leaving a list. (There is one particular lawyer that I
would particularly like to rant about, but won't)

Two days ago, someone said they needed an organization's position paper
on a topic, and couldn't find it. They were a leader of the organization
and knew the URL of the organization's home page.  I went to that home
page, entered the one word topic name into the search engine at the very
top of the home page, clicked go, and got the position paper back as the
first result of the search.  I had someone not show for a meeting
because he didn't have my address.  He called my phone number to say
that. Had he entered my phone number into google instead of calling it,
he would have had my address and a map to go with it.  After spending a
week solving problems that demonstrated the mindboggling stupidity of
the people that I was solving them for, spending some time solving a
problem that wasn't obvious and simple, and wasn't caused by user
stupidity, was a welcome respite.</RANT>

And I didn't spend that much time.  I sent one email to my ISP to check
logs to make sure the problem wasn't on my end, he probably spent a
minute or two checking for your user ID in his incoming logs (grep is a
great and powerful tool, praise kibo), then I spent maybe 5 minutes
providing enough info to your ISP so that they had enough to work with
AFTER they had seen mention of the problem on a list and proactively
contacted me for more detail.  They then identified the problem.  

--  
"Some witty person in rec.arts.sf.composition (I forget who) called
them feral apostrophes. Untamed, unregulated, they roam the wastes of
the English language and pop up where lea'st expected."
Emily - 29 Jan 2005 19:39 GMT
socks0128@yahoo.com said...
> You have a broadband supplier with seriously good customer service.  Be
> sure to say nice things about them when the occasion arises, and drop a
> thank you note to the guy who took the interest.  I sent you his contact
> info.

I've been in contact with him already via the online account
login page of Metronet's web site; I assume he's not working
over the weekend though as I've not yet had a reply.  I've
also sung his praises in another NG I frequent, where there
are plenty of other satisfied Metronet customers.
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Emily - 28 Jan 2005 22:25 GMT
socks0128@yahoo.com said...
> response is coming from my yahoo account
> shortly.

Received :-)
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J - 28 Jan 2005 00:10 GMT
> agent01413@my-deja.com said...
>
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> >
> > \...and they took all the vowels with them when they left.

ROTFL

> (Do you speak Welsh fluently?  No?

Could we communicate by just singing Tom Jones songs to everyone? ;-)

> Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch
>
> If you really want to learn to pronounce it you'll get help at
> http://tinyurl.com/6vjgy - but don't bother with the QuickTime
> sound file except as a very rough guide because I've never
> heard any Welshman pronounce it like that :-\

Fascinating...han var puk gwin quir go gar riche vindro bas hantey sillio go
go gaugh
That's my translation of the quicktime.
J
Emily - 28 Jan 2005 10:23 GMT
oleah@anon.anon said...

> > agent01413@my-deja.com said...
> >
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> go gaugh
> That's my translation of the quicktime.

Gales of laughter here, because that's almost exactly how it
sounds in that clip - and I'd have been hard put to recognise
it had it not been for the fact that there was nothing else it
could be.  The written explanation on that site is far, far
better, and about as accurate as a written pronounciation
guide can be.
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Socks - 28 Jan 2005 13:45 GMT
> oleah@anon.anon said...
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> better, and about as accurate as a written pronounciation
> guide can be.

The History of the English Language

by Owen Alun and Brendan O'Corraidhe

    In the beginning there was an island off the coast of Europe.  It
had no
    name, for the natives had no language, only a collection of grunts
and
    gestures that roughly translated to "Hey!" "Gimme!" and "Pardon
me, but
    would you happen to have any woad?"

    Then the Romans invaded it and called it Britain, because the
natives
    were "blue, nasty, br(u-i)tish and short."  This was the start of
the
    importance of u (and its mispronounciation) to the language.  
After
    building some roads, killing off some of the nasty little blue
people
    and walling up the rest, the Romans left, taking the language
    instruction manual with them.

    The British were bored so they invited the barbarians to come over
    (under Hengist) and "Horsa" 'round a bit.  The Angles, Saxons, and
Jutes
    brought slightly more refined vocal noises.
   
    All of the vocal sounds of this primitive language were
onomatapoeic,
    being derived from the sounds of battle.  Consonants were derived
from
    the sounds of weapons striking a foe.  "Sss" and "th" for example
are
    the sounds of a draw cut, "k" is the sound of a solidly landed axe
blow,
    "b", "d", are the sounds of a head dropping onto rock and sod
    respectively, and "gl" is the sound of a body splashing into a
bog.
    Vowels (which were either gargles in the back of the throat or
sharp
    exhalations) were derived from the sounds the foe himself made
when
    struck.
   
    The barbarians had so much fun that decided to stay for post-
revel.  The
    British, finding that they had lost future use of the site, moved
into
    the hills to the west and called themselves Welsh.
   
    The Irish, having heard about language from Patrick, came over to
    investigate.  When they saw the shiny vowels, they pried them
loose and
    took them home.  They then raided Wales and stole both their
cattle and
    their vowels, so the poor Welsh had to make do with sheep and
    consonants.  ("Old Ap Ivor hadde a farm, L Y L Y W!  And on that
farm he
    hadde somme gees.  With a dd dd here and a dd dd there...")
   
    To prevent future raids, the Welsh started calling themselves
"Cymry"
    and gave even longer names to their villages.  They figured if no
one
    could pronounce the name of their people or the names of their
towns,   
    then no one would visit them.  (The success of the tactic is
    demonstrated still today.  How many travel agents have YOU heard
suggest
    a visit to scenic Llyddumlmunnyddthllywddu?)
   
    Meantime, the Irish brought all the shiny new vowels home to Erin.  
But
    of course they didn't know that there was once an instruction
manual for
    them, so they scattered the vowels throughout the language purely
as
    ornaments.  Most of the new vowels were not pronounced, and those
that
    were were pronounced differently depending on which kind of
consonant
    they were either preceding or following.
   
    The Danes came over and saw the pretty vowels bedecking all the
Irish
    words.  "Ooooh!" they said.  They raided Ireland and brought the
vowels
    back home with them.  But the Vikings couldn't keep track of all
the
    Irish rules so they simply pronounced all the vowels "oouuoo."
   
    In the meantime, the French had invaded Britain, which was
populated by
    descendants of the Germanic Angles, Saxons, and Jutes.  After a
    generation or two, the people were speaking German with a French
accent
    and calling it English.  Then the Danes invaded again, crying
"Oouuoo!
    Oouuoo!" burning abbeys, and trading with the townspeople.
   
    The Britons that the Romans hadn't killed intermarried with
visiting
    Irish and became Scots.  Against the advice of their travel
agents, they
    decided to visit Wales.  (The Scots couldn't read the signposts
that
    said, "This way to Lyddyllwwyddymmllwylldd," but they could smell
sheep
    a league away.)  The Scots took the sheep home with them and made
some
    of them into haggis.  What they made with the others we won't say,
but
    Scots are known to this day for having hairy legs.
   
    The former Welsh, being totally bereft, moved down out of the
hills and
    into London.  Because they were the only people in the Islands who
    played flutes instead of bagpipes, they were called Tooters.  This
made
    them very popular.  In short order, Henry Tooter got elected King
and
    begin popularizing ornate, unflattering clothing.
   
    Soon, everybody was wearing ornate, unflattering clothing, playing
the
    flute, speaking German with a French accent, pronouncing all their
    vowels "oouuoo" (which was fairly easy given the French accent),
and
    making lots of money in the wool trade.  Because they were rich,
people
    smiled more (remember, at this time, "Beowulf" and "Canterbury
Tales"
    were the only tabloids, and gave generally favorable reviews even
to
    Danes).  And since it is next to impossible to keep your vowels in
the
    back of your throat (even if you do speak German with a French
accent)
    while smiling and saying "oouuoo" (try it, you'll see what I
mean), the
    Great Vowel Shift came about and transformed the English language.
   
    The very richest had their vowels shifted right out in front of
their
    teeth. They settled in Manchester and later in Boston.
   
    There were a few poor souls who, cut off from the economic
prosperity of
    the wool trade, continued to swallow their vowels.  They wandered
the
    countryside in misery and despair until they came to the docks of
    London, where their dialect devolved into the incomprehensible
language
    known as Cockney.  Later, it was taken overseas and further
brutalized
    by merging it with Dutch and Italian to create Brooklynese.
   
Guess Who - 27 Jan 2005 01:33 GMT
> figgertoes was looking at scheduling a trip to Wales in May. do we have a
> tentative asc gathering date at your abode?

I have been dying to ask how did figgertoes get her name?
Also, when traveling out of the country your health insurance may not have
out of country coverage, we purchase travel insurance which not only
protects the trip it does have coverage for emergent issues. Alex
 
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