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Z - 27 Jan 2005 18:41 GMT Hi Got the result's for my father's bone marrow biopsy.The Dr said he had leukemia. I asked the Dr if my father had bone cancer he said no?? Isn't leukemia bone cancer? They want to treat my father with Thalidomide, Decadron and a monthly I V of Zometa. My father has a lot of leg pain's I hope this help's. I don't know what to think. Z
J - 27 Jan 2005 20:00 GMT > Got the result's for my father's bone marrow biopsy.The Dr said he had > leukemia. I asked the Dr if my father had bone cancer he said no?? Isn't > leukemia bone cancer? They want to treat my father with Thalidomide, > Decadron and a monthly I V of Zometa. My father has a lot of leg pain's > I hope this help's. I don't know what to think. hello Z, Thank you for the additional information. yes, that's accurate. Leukemia is what I and others call a "blood cancer". The major forms of blood cancer are lymphoma, leukemia and multiple myeloma.
They affect the way a body makes blood and provides immunity from other diseases. Leukemia is cancer that affects the blood-forming system of the body, including the lymphatic system and the bone marrow.
Since bone contains bone marrow, it's no surprise (to me) that your father has leg pain. And hence why they sometimes all get confused together with each other, similar symptoms, probably diagnosed in same/similar ways, bloodwork, bone marrow biopsy, etc.
Bone cancers are different types of cancers and are treated differently (usually surgery IIRC).
Just to complicate things (sorry) There's also different types of leukemia, some "acute" and some "chronic".
I have some websites for you, if you'd like to do some reading NCI http://www.nci.nih.gov/cancertopics/types/leukemia http://www.pathologyoutlines.com/leukemia.html (Pathology - may be too complex for most of us) http://www.leukemia-lymphoma.org/hm_lls (left side of the screen - seems to have information about most, if not all, leukemias) http://www.llcare.org/ I could be wrong, but only seems to have info about CML ( Chronic Myelogenous Leukemia ) Some of the above may have email lists for support and information, some may point you over to ACOR lists.
Here's the private moderated ACOR lists, but I would think you would want to know the type first. http://www.acor.org/mailing.html
So please save the above, but if you'd like to stay with us until you find out more about which type of leukemia or for the duration (as you wish), we'll certainly be a support resource and possibly help you through various issues if and when they occur.
Obviously, if it were my father, I would want the treatment goal (first and foremost) to help with the leg pain. I would also ask if he's getting a palliative dose. I think Zometa is given to keep calcium in the bones that the chemo drug takes out. Decadron is a steroid drug. I'm not sure its purpose, but it's there for a good reason, perhaps Steph or others will comment about the medications.
If you have any questions or other issues, please ask. We'll do our best. We're here for you, if you wish to be here. Many hugs J
J - 27 Jan 2005 20:38 GMT I'm posting this mostly to show the stages or phases...
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Prevention
There is no way to prevent most forms of leukemia. In the future, genetic testing may play a larger role in identifying people who are more likely to develop the illness. Until then, close relatives of people with leukemia should follow a normal schedule of routine physical exams, unless suspicious symptoms develop.
Treatment
Acute leukemia Unlike other cancers, the treatment of acute leukemia does not depend on how far the disease has advanced, but on the person's condition and on whether the person is newly diagnosed, continuing treatment, in remission (the disease is controlled) or the disease has come back after a remission.
With acute lymphoid leukemia, treatment generally occurs in phases, although not all phases are used for all people with the disease:
* Phase 1 (called induction therapy) uses chemotherapy in the hospital to try to control the disease. * Phase 2 (called consolidation) continues chemotherapy, but on an outpatient basis (returning to the hospital for treatment, but not staying overnight) to keep the person in remission. * Phase 3 (called prophylaxis) uses different chemotherapy drugs, sometimes combined with radiation therapy, to prevent the leukemia from entering the brain and central nervous system. * Phase 4 (called maintenance) involves regular physical exams and laboratory tests after the leukemia has been treated to be sure that it has not returned. * Recurrent leukemia uses further doses of various chemotherapy drugs in different dosages to combat a disease that has returned. People may need several years of chemotherapy to keep the leukemia in remission. Some people may receive a bone marrow transplant.
With acute myeloid leukemia, treatment generally depends on the type of the disease, as well as the person's age and overall health. Usually people receive induction therapy in an effort to send the leukemia into remission. Consolidation and maintenance therapies may be used, but they are less effective for acute myeloid leukemia than for acute lymphoid leukemia. For all types of acute leukemia, a bone marrow transplant is an option when chemotherapy alone has been less successful.
Chronic leukemia For chronic lymphoid leukemia, the next step after diagnosis is to determine the extent of the cancer. This is called staging. There are four stages of chronic lymphoid leukemia:
* Stage 0 There are too many lymphocytes in the blood. Generally, there are no other symptoms of leukemia. * Stage I Lymph nodes are swollen because of too many lymphocytes in the blood. * Stage II Lymph nodes, spleen and liver are swollen as a result of an overabundance of lymphocytes. * Stage III Anemia has developed because there are too few red blood cells in the blood. * Stage IV There are too few platelets in the blood. Lymph nodes, spleen and liver may be swollen. Anemia may be present.
Treatment of chronic lymphoid leukemia depends on the stage of the disease, as well as on the person's age and overall health. In the earliest stage, treatment may not be needed, though the person's health will be monitored closely. In Stage I or II, observation or chemotherapy is the usual treatment. In Stage III or IV, intensive chemotherapy or multiple drug chemotherapies may be used. Some people also may be treated with a bone marrow transplant.
A drug called Gleevec has become standard therapy for those in the early stage of this disease, with or without a bone marrow transplant.
Leukemia # What Is It? # Symptoms # Diagnosis # Expected Duration # Prevention # Treatment # When To Call A Professional # Prognosis # Additional Info
What Is It?
Leukemia is a form of cancer that affects the body's blood making system, including the lymphatic system and bone marrow. Leukemia is either acute (coming on suddenly) or chronic (lasting a long time). Chronic leukemia rarely affects children, while acute leukemia affects both adults and children.
Leukemia accounts for about 2 percent of all cancers. It strikes nine out of every 100,000 people in the United States every year. Men are more likely to develop leukemia than women, and white people get the disease more than other racial or ethnic groups. Adults are 10 times more likely to develop leukemia than children. Leukemia occurs most often in the elderly. When leukemia occurs in children, it happens most often before age 4.
Acute leukemia With acute leukemia, immature blood cells reproduce quickly in the bone marrow, where they eventually crowd out healthy cells. These immature, abnormal cells can spread to other organs, leading to damage. The two main types of acute leukemia involve different types of blood cells:
* Acute lymphoid leukemia is the most common type of leukemia that affects children, primarily those under age 10. Adults sometimes develop acute lymphoid leukemia, but it is rare in people over age 50. It occurs when primitive blood forming cells, called lymphoblasts, reproduce without developing into normal blood cells. These abnormal cells crowd out healthy blood cells. They can collect in the lymph nodes and cause swelling.
* Acute myeloid leukemia accounts for 50 percent of leukemia diagnosed in teenagers and in people in their 20s. It is the most common acute leukemia in adults. It occurs when primitive blood forming cells (called myeloblasts) reproduce without developing into normal blood cells. Immature myeloblast cells crowd the bone marrow and interfere with the production of healthy normal blood cells. This leads to anemia (not having enough red blood cells) and to frequent infections because there are not enough protective white blood cells.
Chronic leukemia Chronic leukemia is when the body produces too many blood cells that have developed part way, but that often cannot function like mature blood cells. Chronic leukemia usually develops more slowly and is a less dramatic illness than acute leukemia. There are two main types of chronic leukemia:
* Chronic lymphoid leukemia is rare in people under 30. It is more likely to develop the older a person gets. The greatest number of cases occur in people between ages 60 and 70. In this form of leukemia, the abnormal cells in the bone marrow are a type of blood cells called lymphocytes. These abnormal cells cannot fight infection as well as normal cells can. With chronic lymphoid leukemia, cancerous cells live in the bone marrow, blood, spleen and lymph nodes, where they produce swelling that appears as swollen glands.
* Chronic myeloid leukemia occurs most often in people between ages 25 and 60. In this form of leukemia, the abnormal cells are a type of blood cells called myeloid cells. Chronic myeloid leukemia cells usually involve an inherited (genetic) abnormality called the Philadelphia chromosome. However, this disease is not always inherited. People who are exposed to too much radiation or benzene, a chemical found in unleaded gasoline, are more likely to develop this form of leukemia. Chronic myeloid leukemia sometimes can be cured with a bone marrow transplant.
The vast majority of leukemias occur in people without any family history of leukemia, and are not believed to be inherited. However, some forms of the disease, especially chronic lymphoid leukemia, occasionally strike close relatives in the same family. Certain genetic abnormalities (such as Down syndrome) have been linked to the development of specific forms of leukemia. In cases of myeloid leukemia, an increased risk of the illness has been linked to excessive exposure to radiation and to heavy exposure to benzene, a chemical found in unleaded gasoline.
Symptoms
Early symptoms of leukemia are like symptoms of the flu or other common diseases. Symptoms include:
* Fever * Fatigue * Aches in bones or joints * Headaches * Skin rashes * Swollen glands (lymph nodes) * Frequent infections * Unexplained weight loss * Bleeding or swelling of gums * An enlarged spleen or liver, or a feeling of abdominal fullness * Slow healing cuts, nosebleeds or frequent bruises
Diagnosis
Your doctor may not suspect leukemia based on your symptoms alone. However, during your physical examination, your doctor may discover that you have swollen lymph nodes or an enlarged liver or spleen. The diagnosis may become clearer when routine blood tests (especially blood cell counts) show abnormal results. Diagnostic procedures will follow, including a bone marrow biopsy (a sample of bone marrow is removed and examined), more blood tests to detect the presence of abnormal cells and, sometimes, tests for genetic abnormalities, such as the Philadelphia chromosome.
Expected Duration
In general, chronic leukemia progresses more slowly than acute leukemia. Without Gleevec, a relatively new drug, or a bone marrow transplant, people with chronic myeloid leukemia typically have several years of stability before developing a picture more like acute myeloid leukemia. Whether the transformation from a chronic leukemia to an acute leukemia can be delayed or prevented by Gleevec remains to be seen.
Prevention
There is no way to prevent most forms of leukemia. In the future, genetic testing may play a larger role in identifying people who are more likely to develop the illness. Until then, close relatives of people with leukemia should follow a normal schedule of routine physical exams, unless suspicious symptoms develop.
Treatment
Acute leukemia Unlike other cancers, the treatment of acute leukemia does not depend on how far the disease has advanced, but on the person's condition and on whether the person is newly diagnosed, continuing treatment, in remission (the disease is controlled) or the disease has come back after a remission.
With acute lymphoid leukemia, treatment generally occurs in phases, although not all phases are used for all people with the disease:
* Phase 1 (called induction therapy) uses chemotherapy in the hospital to try to control the disease. * Phase 2 (called consolidation) continues chemotherapy, but on an outpatient basis (returning to the hospital for treatment, but not staying overnight) to keep the person in remission. * Phase 3 (called prophylaxis) uses different chemotherapy drugs, sometimes combined with radiation therapy, to prevent the leukemia from entering the brain and central nervous system. * Phase 4 (called maintenance) involves regular physical exams and laboratory tests after the leukemia has been treated to be sure that it has not returned. * Recurrent leukemia uses further doses of various chemotherapy drugs in different dosages to combat a disease that has returned. People may need several years of chemotherapy to keep the leukemia in remission. Some people may receive a bone marrow transplant.
With acute myeloid leukemia, treatment generally depends on the type of the disease, as well as the person's age and overall health. Usually people receive induction therapy in an effort to send the leukemia into remission. Consolidation and maintenance therapies may be used, but they are less effective for acute myeloid leukemia than for acute lymphoid leukemia. For all types of acute leukemia, a bone marrow transplant is an option when chemotherapy alone has been less successful.
Chronic leukemia For chronic lymphoid leukemia, the next step after diagnosis is to determine the extent of the cancer. This is called staging. There are four stages of chronic lymphoid leukemia:
* Stage 0 There are too many lymphocytes in the blood. Generally, there are no other symptoms of leukemia. * Stage I Lymph nodes are swollen because of too many lymphocytes in the blood. * Stage II Lymph nodes, spleen and liver are swollen as a result of an overabundance of lymphocytes. * Stage III Anemia has developed because there are too few red blood cells in the blood. different types of leukemia:
* Acute lymphoid leukemia In general, children with this cancer have a 90-percent chance of complete remission, with an 80-percent, five year survival rate. The adult prognosis is not as good, with only 25 percent to 35 percent of adults surviving for five years.
* Acute myeloid leukemia With proper treatment, 70 percent to 75 percent of people with this cancer can expect to go into remission. About 80 percent who go into remission will do so within one month of induction therapy. In some people, however, the disease will return, lowering the cure rate to no more than 40 percent.
* Chronic lymphoid leukemia On average, people with this cancer survive nine years, although some have survived as long as 35 years. In Stage I or II, remission occurs in about 70 percent of people treated with chemotherapy, although the cancer always comes back eventually.
* Chronic myeloid leukemia How long people with chronic myeloid leukemia survive depends on the age of the person, the extent of the disease and the treatments used. For example, 60 percent of people under age 40 with mild symptoms survive three years after treatment if they have a bone marrow transplant. Only 15 percent to 25 percent of those without a transplant live longer than five years. A few people have lived as long as 20 years. It's possible that the drug Gleevec will improve survival rates, but that won't be known for a few years.
Z - 27 Jan 2005 22:31 GMT Hi J Thank you so much for all your help. My father is a rock hard Italian man who is hard to deal with and a Dr who don't make to much sense. Be We'll try to get thru it. I'll keep posting. Thank you again Z
J - 28 Jan 2005 00:30 GMT > Thank you so much for all your help. My father is a rock hard Italian > man who is hard to deal with and a Dr who don't make to much sense. Be > We'll try to get thru it. I'll keep posting. Thank you again Hello Z, it's difficult when the lines of communication have some roadblocks eh? From your last post, he's 87? What brought him to the diagnosis. Symptoms? or accidental find? What is his goal for treatment? Cure or helping the symptoms or has this been discussed? Steph, our fav doctor here, has some Questions to Ask http://tinyurl.com/vh34 You may wish to print them up and ask your father to get answers from the oncologist. Are you able to go with him to talk with the doctor and/or someone go with him to write the answers down? Are you his caregiver? Or do you live nearby? Perhaps the solution is for him to try the treatments and if the side effects start getting worse than the treatment and his quality of life doesn't improve, you could talk to him about whether it's a good idea or not to pursue it. If he's very healthy (otherwise) perhaps he can tolerate the treatment, but in "oldies" like that it's hard to know how much treatments their bodies can tolerate. I know because of the things my Dad went through. But perhaps it will be different with your father. I know "rock hard Italian" <smile> Keep in touch and let us know how you and he are doing. Hugs J
Z - 28 Jan 2005 03:12 GMT Hello J I do go with my father to the Dr and I did hand the doctor Steph list of question's and he handed me back the paper and said don't worry or look so mad we will take care of your dad. My dad took a regular blood test for being so tired and they noticed to many proteins in it so they sent him to an oncology Dr `I asked him if my father had cancer he said no, but had leukemia which IS cancer I asked if he needed chemo he said no he would take oral med's and a half hour treatment of zometa once a month to add extra calcium to thin the blood in his bone's because his bone's are like a sponge with a lot of hole's in them and if the blood run's to thick it could make his bone's more brittle. I will find out more next week Thank's again I know when my husband had lung cancer stage 4 it broke him down to nothing. Just hearing the word's cancer only make's me feel NUT'S. Z
J - 28 Jan 2005 09:18 GMT > I do go with my father to the Dr and I did hand the doctor Steph > list of question's and he handed me back the paper and said don't worry [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > I know when my husband had lung cancer stage 4 it broke him down to > nothing. Just hearing the word's cancer only make's me feel NUT'S. Hello Z, It's tough when cancer strikes someone else in the family, particularly since the loss of your husband is so recent. Looks to me that you've been reading this newsgroup for quite a while if you already had Steph's Questions to Ask and broached the subject with the oncologist. So much for getting answers eh? So the onc is being somewhat paternalistic with you yet assuring you that he will take good care of your father. He's also "mincing words". I do that myself when talking about thalidomide. It really isn't quite like chemo, but some do call it a "chemo" and after all, he's an oncologist and we expect onc's to give chemo. Here's what ACS says about thalidomide.. http://tinyurl.com/3g27b "Thalidomide Helps Patients with Blood Cell Production" but they're talking about MDS or myelodysplastic syndrome. Another place they discuss thalidomide for myeloma or clinical triasl for "advanced chronic lymphocytic leukemia, low-grade lymphoma, and agnogenic myeloid metaplasia (idiopathic myelofibrosis)." <http://www.leukemia-lymphoma.org/all_mat_detail.adp?item_id=9899&sort_order=6&cat_id=>
These blood cancers aren't very familiar to me. I would really like to put you in touch with others who have the same type of cancer as your father does, so for now perhaps we can assume that he has CLL (chronic lymphocytic leukemia ) ?
Would you like to subscribe to the ACOR list for that? There's 2,390 subscribers that you can send messages to (and receive messages from) http://www.acor.org/mailing.html?l=c
If later, you find out it's a different type of leukemia, there's another group listed on that same page. And most of the other leukemias are listed here http://www.acor.org/mailing.html?l=a (so save these)
Give it a try by joining ACOR and let's see if we can get you lots of support for you and your father. I'm not sending you away, but just want you to be in the right place for your Dad's cancer.
Keep in touch and let us know, from tiime to time, how he and you are doing, okay? Many hugs to you and your father, J
Guess Who - 29 Jan 2005 16:52 GMT From the same ACS website: chemotherapy: (key-mo-THER-uh-pee ): treatment with drugs to destroy cancer cells. Chemotherapy is often used with surgery or radiation to treat cancer when the cancer has spread, when it has come back (recurred), or when there is a strong chance that it could recur.
Any drug to treat cancer is chemotherapy, Thalidomide is a drug given to treat cancer therefore chemotherapy. Lay people often think "chemo" is related to the IV drugs that are administered by nurse, but any drug given any route is chemo.
I do that myself when talking about thalidomide.
> It really isn't quite like chemo, but some do call it a "chemo" and after > all, he's an oncologist and we expect onc's to give chemo. J - 29 Jan 2005 17:33 GMT > From the same ACS website: > chemotherapy: (key-mo-THER-uh-pee ): treatment with drugs to destroy cancer [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Any drug to treat cancer is chemotherapy, http://www.nhsdirect.nhs.uk/en.asp?TopicID=115 Although all treatment using drugs can be termed chemotherapy, the word is most often used to describe treatment by strong cytotoxic drugs for serious diseases such as cancer. 'Cytotoxic' means that the drug destroys rapidly growing cancer cells. Cytotoxic drugs are useful in the treatment of many forms of cancer.
Drugs based on sex hormones are also used to treat cancer (eg tamoxifen for breast cancer). Although they are sometimes referred to as chemotherapy, they are more often known as hormone-therapy drugs.
The ability to distinguish between the two cell types is not complete, and cytotoxic drugs cannot avoid causing some damage to normal cells. Consequently they always have some side effects.
The more rapidly normal cells reproduce, the more likely they are to be damaged by cytotoxic drugs. For this reason, these drugs cause most damage to cells in the lining of the bowel, hair-producing cells, the sex glands and the blood-forming tissue in the bone marrow.
http://www.bccancer.bc.ca/HPI/DrugDatabase/DrugIndexPro/Vinblastine.htm CLASSIFICATION: Mitotic Inhibitor
http://www.bccancer.bc.ca/HPI/DrugDatabase/DrugIndexPro/Carmustine.htm CLASSIFICATION: Alkylating agent
http://www.bccancer.bc.ca/HPI/DrugDatabase/DrugIndexPro/Cisplatin.htm CLASSIFICATION: Alkylating agent Cisplatin was first synthesized in 1845, but its cytotoxic properties were not described until 1965.
http://www.bccancer.bc.ca/HPI/DrugDatabase/DrugIndexPro/Megestrol.htm CLASSIFICATION: Endocrine Hormone
http://www.bccancer.bc.ca/HPI/DrugDatabase/DrugIndexPro/Docetaxel1of2/default.htm
CLASSIFICATION: Mitotic inhibitor, cytotoxic
http://www.bccancer.bc.ca/HPI/DrugDatabase/DrugIndexPro/thalidomide.htm CLASSIFICATION: Immunomodulator, noncytotoxic
I forget my point, but this is a wonderful database. J
Socks - 29 Jan 2005 19:20 GMT >> Any drug to treat cancer is chemotherapy, > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > drug destroys rapidly growing cancer cells. Cytotoxic drugs are useful > in the treatment of many forms of cancer. Zometa is being used to treat my bone mets. I never considered my zometa treatments to qualify as chemotherapy. Am I wrong in that position?
 Signature "Some witty person in rec.arts.sf.composition (I forget who) called them feral apostrophes. Untamed, unregulated, they roam the wastes of the English language and pop up where lea'st expected."
J - 29 Jan 2005 19:46 GMT > >> Any drug to treat cancer is chemotherapy, > > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Zometa is being used to treat my bone mets. I never considered my zometa > treatments to qualify as chemotherapy. Am I wrong in that position? Well, I call it a Bisphosphonate It's under Supportive Treatments here http://www.cancerbacup.org.uk/Treatments and thalidomide is under Angiogenesis inhibitors (under Biological therapies) There's a different section for chemotherapy.
Thanks for the opportunity. I'll keep adding more if we find other databases.. J
Guess Who - 30 Jan 2005 00:44 GMT The inservices I have attended, all refer to any drug to treat cancer as Chemotherapy. For example, Tamoxiphen, which blocks estrogen and used in breast cancer, has been referred as chemotherapy.
http://www.cancer.org/docroot/ETO/content/ETO_1_4X_What_Are_The_Different_Types_ Of_Chemotherapy_Drugs.asp?sitearea=ETO
Thalidomide would fit into other category. Zoneta does not work on the cancer cells, it works on the damage cancer caused. To doctors, nurses, pharmacists, and health professionals, the word chemotherapy means any drug (such as aspirin or penicillin) used for treating people with any disease. Most of us, however, think of anticancer medicines to treat cancer when we hear the term chemotherapy. Two other medical terms often used to describe cancer chemotherapy are antineoplastic (meaning anticancer) and cytotoxic (cell-killing).
"Although all treatment using drugs can be termed chemotherapy, the word is most often used to describe treatment by strong cytotoxic drugs for serious diseases such as cancer."
http://www.nhsdirect.nhs.uk/en.asp?TopicID=115
"Treatment with anticancer drugs that travel through the bloodstream, reaching and affecting cells all over the body".Cancer.govPatient
bj - 30 Jan 2005 02:43 GMT If I said I'd had chemotherapy, people would think I'd had something entirely different from what I did have, which was radioactive iodine for thyroid cancer. And they'd be wondering why I didn't throw up and lose my hair in the process.
But I can't exactly call it having "radiation" either -- that also gives a different impression -- most people would think I meant EBR, which I certainly didn't have.
OTOH, maybe they'd also realize that thyroid cancer really is *cancer*. (Some of us get the "are you sure it's cancer you don't look sick why don't you just cheer up/get some exercise/do all that you usually do/etc. & *why* can't you do " <this or that while very hypothyroid>....) Also, explaining that I've never even met an oncologist, but (after surgery) been followed & treated by endocrinologists & nuclear med doctors could make their eyes glaze over. bj
> The inservices I have attended, all refer to any drug to treat cancer as > Chemotherapy. ... [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > is most often used to describe treatment by strong cytotoxic drugs for > serious diseases such as cancer." ...
> "Treatment with anticancer drugs that travel through the bloodstream, > reaching and affecting cells all over the body".Cancer.govPatient J - 30 Jan 2005 08:27 GMT > If I said I'd had chemotherapy, people would think I'd had something > entirely different from what I did have, which was radioactive iodine for [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > their eyes glaze over. > bj good points J
Guess Who - 30 Jan 2005 16:55 GMT > If I said I'd had chemotherapy, people would think I'd had something > entirely different from what I did have, which was radioactive iodine for [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > their eyes glaze over. > bj Perhaps the cure rate for thyroid cancer is so high people forget it is cancer, now with a supreme court member so very public ill people will have a new appreciation for thyroid cancer. Alex
J - 30 Jan 2005 17:26 GMT > Perhaps the cure rate for thyroid cancer is so high people forget it is > cancer, That's probably true.
> now with a supreme court member so very public ill people will have > a new appreciation for thyroid cancer. Renquist died. Nobody knew what he went through (surgery, RAI, off replacement thyroid hormones, etc) except his close family, friends, I guess. I suspect reading this or the thyroid newsgroup, someone's testimonial page, would be the only way, people would know what thryoid cancer patients go through. (or having it oneself). J
bj - 30 Jan 2005 18:22 GMT > Renquist died. He did? When? I know I've been distracted lately, but to miss this??? bj
J - 30 Jan 2005 18:32 GMT > > Renquist died. > > He did? > When? > I know I've been distracted lately, but to miss this??? > bj Gee, my apologies. I guess I was remembering wrong. My mistake. J
bj - 30 Jan 2005 21:11 GMT I'm not saying it isn't true -- but I haven't heard about it & I think I hear enough news reports that I'm pretty sure I would have -- especially living in DC! But he certainly looked frail 10days ago at the inauguration. bj
>> > Renquist died. >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > I guess I was remembering wrong. My mistake. > J J - 30 Jan 2005 21:33 GMT > I'm not saying it isn't true -- but I haven't heard about it & I think I > hear enough news reports that I'm pretty sure I would have -- especially > living in DC! But he certainly looked frail 10days ago at the inauguration. > bj Nothing came up (as a news item) when I typed in his name into Google search engine. But he might be if this thread continues... I'll take your word that he's still alive. Sorry for my error. J
Alan B. Mac Farlane - 31 Jan 2005 17:27 GMT his anger and contempt is taking him away ...
all hail God the Father who makes babies with His children ...
to save the world of course ...
its a miracle ...
whoopee we all gonna die ...
so Jesus can cum again ...
sumbuddie on da watchtower
:)
>> I'm not saying it isn't true -- but I haven't heard about it & I think I >> hear enough news reports that I'm pretty sure I would have -- especially [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Sorry for my error. > J Guess Who - 30 Jan 2005 22:45 GMT > I'm not saying it isn't true -- but I haven't heard about it & I think I > hear enough news reports that I'm pretty sure I would have -- especially > living in DC! But he certainly looked frail 10days ago at the > inauguration. > bj He did look awful, Alex
J - 24 Feb 2005 09:30 GMT > I'm not saying it isn't true -- but I haven't heard about it & I think I > hear enough news reports that I'm pretty sure I would have -- especially > living in DC! But he certainly looked frail 10days ago at the inauguration. > bj http://www.voanews.com/english/2005-02-22-voa49.cfm Well, he looks pretty good/strong here, but that might be a "pre" photo. I read that he took 2 weeks off. Working from hone during treatment. J
bj - 30 Jan 2005 18:22 GMT >> OTOH, maybe they'd also realize that thyroid cancer really is *cancer*.
> Perhaps the cure rate for thyroid cancer is so high people forget it is > cancer, now with a supreme court member so very public ill people will > have a new appreciation for thyroid cancer. Alex However, they'll probably think his is more typical than it really is, rather than (apparently, from what's been made public) pretty unusual. Maybe they'll be more impressed with how well I've done, thinking I've been through a *lot* more than I actually have!
But yes, at least people won't say "huh?" when they hear "thyroid cancer". My reaction was something on the order of "I didn't know it existed" -- it may be rising in incidence, but it's still pretty low in how much there is around, and yes, it does (generally) have a good prognosis. Not that I consider myself "cured", just "no evidence of disease" -- and this year I get to skip my scan after 4 annual good ones. bj
J - 30 Jan 2005 09:14 GMT > The inservices I have attended, all refer to any drug to treat cancer as > Chemotherapy. For example, Tamoxiphen, which blocks estrogen and used in [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Thalidomide would fit into other category. "other category"
> Zoneta does not work on the > cancer cells, it works on the damage cancer caused. > To doctors, nurses, pharmacists, and health professionals, the word > chemotherapy means any drug (such as aspirin or penicillin) used for > treating people with any disease. LOL
> Most of us, however, think of anticancer > medicines to treat cancer when we hear the term chemotherapy. Two other [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > most often used to describe treatment by strong cytotoxic drugs for serious > diseases such as cancer." and thalidomide is noncytotoxic http://www.bccancer.bc.ca/HPI/DrugDatabase/DrugIndexPro/thalidomide.htm CLASSIFICATION: Immunomodulator, noncytotoxic J
Guess Who - 30 Jan 2005 01:00 GMT http://www.chemocare.com/bio/bio.sps?iBiographyID=9171
http://www.multiple-myeloma-treatment.com/html/chemotherapy.php3
Both sites list Thalidonmide as chemotherapy.
J - 30 Jan 2005 09:06 GMT > http://www.multiple-myeloma-treatment.com/html/chemotherapy.php3 > > Both sites list Thalidonmide as chemotherapy. Why would you point me to a flakey website that has "Osteoarthritis Treatment Pain relief is an important part of the treatment of osteoarthritis. High Cholesterol Information on the link between cholesterol levels and heart disease. Menopause and HRT HRT is a controversial treatment for menopause symptoms. Bipolar Disorder Information Bipolar disorder affects nearly two million Americans. Premenstrual Dysphoric Disorder Prementrual dysphoric disorder is rare and can be severe. "
on it?
See our recommended links..
http://myeloma.org/main.jsp?tab_id=2&type=article&id=90#thal02 Is Thalidomide the Same as Chemotherapy?
Chemotherapy works by killing cells that are dividing. These cells include cancer cells as well as some normal cells in the body. Hair loss, nausea and vomiting, and gastric upset are common side effects that occur, because some healthy cells are affected by chemotherapy. Thalidomide is not considered a form of chemotherapy. It is instead considered a new kind of treatment, because it can affect the levels of certain proteins that the body normally uses to control the activity of cells.
http://www.myeloma.org/pdfs/HB2004.pdf "frontline treatment options"
http://www.cancerbacup.org.uk/Cancertype/Myeloma/Treatment/Typesoftreatmentused
Thalidomide has recently been found to be effective in controlling myeloma that has come back after chemotherapy. Thalidomide is also being tested as a treatment for newly diagnosed myeloma.'
That settles it. I'm not calling it chemo. J
Guess Who - 30 Jan 2005 17:01 GMT > That settles it. I'm not calling it chemo. > J I am glad you are not calling it chemo. Monday, I shall tell the oncologists, pharmacists, and nurses I work with they are wrong, <G>Seriously, I know the word chemo tied to the layperson's view of chemo. but where I work chemo = a drug to fight cancer.
Alex
J - 30 Jan 2005 17:23 GMT > I am glad you are not calling it chemo. Monday, I shall tell the > oncologists, pharmacists, and nurses I work with they are wrong, > <G>Seriously, I know the word chemo tied to the layperson's view of chemo. > but where I work chemo = a drug to fight cancer. Whatever floats your boat. I'd sure object if someone gave me an aspirin (your example) and said: here's your chemo.
J
J - 05 Feb 2005 08:48 GMT > I do go with my father to the Dr and I did hand the doctor Steph > list of question's and he handed me back the paper and said don't worry [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > lot of hole's in them and if the blood run's to thick it could make his > bone's more brittle. I will find out more next week Thank's again Hello Z, there's your post. (I lost track of it, we changed subject lines so many times) What happened this past week? Have things been clarified? And how are you and your father? Hugs J
Mike Radcliffe - 28 Jan 2005 18:36 GMT > Hi > Got the result's for my father's bone marrow biopsy.The Dr said he had [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I hope this help's. I don't know what to think. > Z Leukaemia is 'cancer' of the blood and cells in the bone marrow that make white blood cells. Curative treatment can be very harrowing in the acute (late) stage but the early chronic phase can be controlled sometimes more easily. You have to be very fit to contemplate acute stage curative treatment. MIKE
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