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Z - 27 Jan 2005 18:41 GMT
Hi
Got the result's for my father's bone marrow biopsy.The Dr said he had
leukemia. I asked the Dr if my father had bone cancer he said no?? Isn't
leukemia bone cancer? They want to treat my father with Thalidomide,
Decadron and a monthly I V of Zometa. My father has a lot of leg pain's
I hope this help's. I don't know what to think.
Z
J - 27 Jan 2005 20:00 GMT
>  Got the result's for my father's bone marrow biopsy.The Dr said he had
> leukemia. I asked the Dr if my father had bone cancer he said no?? Isn't
> leukemia bone cancer? They want to treat my father with Thalidomide,
> Decadron and a monthly I V of Zometa. My father has a lot of leg pain's
> I hope this help's. I don't know what to think.

hello Z, Thank you for the additional information.
yes, that's accurate.  Leukemia is what I and others call a "blood cancer".
The major forms of blood cancer are lymphoma, leukemia and multiple myeloma.

They affect the way a body makes blood and provides immunity from other
diseases.
Leukemia is cancer that affects the blood-forming system of the body,
including the lymphatic system and the bone marrow.

Since bone contains bone marrow, it's no surprise (to me) that your father
has leg pain.
And hence why they sometimes all get confused together with each other,
similar symptoms, probably diagnosed in same/similar ways, bloodwork, bone
marrow biopsy, etc.

Bone cancers are different types of cancers and are treated differently
(usually surgery IIRC).

Just to complicate things (sorry)
There's also different types of leukemia, some "acute" and some "chronic".

I have some websites for you, if you'd like to do some reading
NCI http://www.nci.nih.gov/cancertopics/types/leukemia
http://www.pathologyoutlines.com/leukemia.html (Pathology - may be too
complex for most of us)
http://www.leukemia-lymphoma.org/hm_lls (left side of the screen - seems to
have information about most, if not all, leukemias)
http://www.llcare.org/  I could be wrong, but only seems to have info about
CML ( Chronic Myelogenous Leukemia )
Some of the above may have email lists for support and information, some may
point you over to ACOR lists.

Here's the private moderated ACOR lists, but I would think you would want to
know the type first.
http://www.acor.org/mailing.html

So please save the above, but if you'd like to stay with us until you find
out more about which type of leukemia or for the duration (as you wish),
we'll certainly be a support resource and possibly help you through various
issues if and when they occur.

Obviously, if it were my father, I would want the treatment goal (first and
foremost) to help with the leg pain.
I would also ask if he's getting a palliative dose.
I think Zometa is given to keep calcium in the bones that the chemo drug
takes out.
Decadron is a steroid drug. I'm not sure its purpose, but it's there for a
good reason, perhaps Steph or others will comment about the medications.

If you have any questions or other issues, please ask. We'll do our best.
We're here for you, if you wish to be here.
Many hugs
J
J - 27 Jan 2005 20:38 GMT
I'm posting this mostly to show the stages or phases...

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Prevention

There is no way to prevent most forms of leukemia. In the future, genetic
testing may play a larger role in identifying people who are more likely to
develop the illness. Until then, close relatives of people with leukemia should
follow a normal schedule of routine physical exams, unless suspicious symptoms
develop.

Treatment

Acute leukemia
Unlike other cancers, the treatment of acute leukemia does not depend on how far
the disease has advanced, but on the person's condition and on whether the
person is newly diagnosed, continuing treatment, in remission (the disease is
controlled) or the disease has come back after a remission.

With acute lymphoid leukemia, treatment generally occurs in phases, although not
all phases are used for all people with the disease:

   * Phase 1 (called induction therapy) uses chemotherapy in the hospital to
try to control the disease.
   * Phase 2 (called consolidation) continues chemotherapy, but on an
outpatient basis (returning to the hospital for treatment, but not staying
overnight) to keep the person in remission.
   * Phase 3 (called prophylaxis) uses different chemotherapy drugs, sometimes
combined with radiation therapy, to prevent the leukemia from entering the brain
and central nervous system.
   * Phase 4 (called maintenance) involves regular physical exams and
laboratory tests after the leukemia has been treated to be sure that it has not
returned.
   * Recurrent leukemia uses further doses of various chemotherapy drugs in
different dosages to combat a disease that has returned. People may need several
years of chemotherapy to keep the leukemia in remission. Some people may receive
a bone marrow transplant.

With acute myeloid leukemia, treatment generally depends on the type of the
disease, as well as the person's age and overall health. Usually people receive
induction therapy in an effort to send the leukemia into remission.
Consolidation and maintenance therapies may be used, but they are less effective
for acute myeloid leukemia than for acute lymphoid leukemia. For all types of
acute leukemia, a bone marrow transplant is an option when chemotherapy alone
has been less successful.

Chronic leukemia
For chronic lymphoid leukemia, the next step after diagnosis is to determine the
extent of the cancer. This is called staging. There are four stages of chronic
lymphoid leukemia:

   * Stage 0 — There are too many lymphocytes in the blood. Generally, there
are no other symptoms of leukemia.
   * Stage I — Lymph nodes are swollen because of too many lymphocytes in the
blood.
   * Stage II — Lymph nodes, spleen and liver are swollen as a result of an
overabundance of lymphocytes.
   * Stage III — Anemia has developed because there are too few red blood cells
in the blood.
   * Stage IV — There are too few platelets in the blood. Lymph nodes, spleen
and liver may be swollen. Anemia may be present.

Treatment of chronic lymphoid leukemia depends on the stage of the disease, as
well as on the person's age and overall health. In the earliest stage, treatment
may not be needed, though the person's health will be monitored closely. In
Stage I or II, observation or chemotherapy is the usual treatment. In Stage III
or IV, intensive chemotherapy or multiple drug chemotherapies may be used. Some
people also may be treated with a bone marrow transplant.

A drug called Gleevec has become standard therapy for those in the early stage
of this disease, with or without a bone marrow transplant.

Leukemia
# What Is It?
# Symptoms
# Diagnosis
# Expected Duration
# Prevention
#  Treatment
# When To Call A Professional
# Prognosis
# Additional Info

What Is It?

Leukemia is a form of cancer that affects the body's blood making system,
including the lymphatic system and bone marrow. Leukemia is either acute (coming
on suddenly) or chronic (lasting a long time). Chronic leukemia rarely affects
children, while acute leukemia affects both adults and children.

Leukemia accounts for about 2 percent of all cancers. It strikes nine out of
every 100,000 people in the United States every year. Men are more likely to
develop leukemia than women, and white people get the disease more than other
racial or ethnic groups. Adults are 10 times more likely to develop leukemia
than children. Leukemia occurs most often in the elderly. When leukemia occurs
in children, it happens most often before age 4.

Acute leukemia
With acute leukemia, immature blood cells reproduce quickly in the bone marrow,
where they eventually crowd out healthy cells. These immature, abnormal cells
can spread to other organs, leading to damage. The two main types of acute
leukemia involve different types of blood cells:

   * Acute lymphoid leukemia is the most common type of leukemia that affects
children, primarily those under age 10. Adults sometimes develop acute lymphoid
leukemia, but it is rare in people over age 50. It occurs when primitive blood
forming cells, called lymphoblasts, reproduce without developing into normal
blood cells. These abnormal cells crowd out healthy blood cells. They can
collect in the lymph nodes and cause swelling.

   * Acute myeloid leukemia accounts for 50 percent of leukemia diagnosed in
teenagers and in people in their 20s. It is the most common acute leukemia in
adults. It occurs when primitive blood forming cells (called myeloblasts)
reproduce without developing into normal blood cells. Immature myeloblast cells
crowd the bone marrow and interfere with the production of healthy normal blood
cells. This leads to anemia (not having enough red blood cells) and to frequent
infections because there are not enough protective white blood cells.

Chronic leukemia
Chronic leukemia is when the body produces too many blood cells that have
developed part way, but that often cannot function like mature blood cells.
Chronic leukemia usually develops more slowly and is a less dramatic illness
than acute leukemia. There are two main types of chronic leukemia:

   * Chronic lymphoid leukemia is rare in people under 30. It is more likely to
develop the older a person gets. The greatest number of cases occur in people
between ages 60 and 70. In this form of leukemia, the abnormal cells in the bone
marrow are a type of blood cells called lymphocytes. These abnormal cells cannot
fight infection as well as normal cells can. With chronic lymphoid leukemia,
cancerous cells live in the bone marrow, blood, spleen and lymph nodes, where
they produce swelling that appears as swollen glands.

   * Chronic myeloid leukemia occurs most often in people between ages 25 and
60. In this form of leukemia, the abnormal cells are a type of blood cells
called myeloid cells. Chronic myeloid leukemia cells usually involve an
inherited (genetic) abnormality called the Philadelphia chromosome. However,
this disease is not always inherited. People who are exposed to too much
radiation or benzene, a chemical found in unleaded gasoline, are more likely to
develop this form of leukemia. Chronic myeloid leukemia sometimes can be cured
with a bone marrow transplant.

The vast majority of leukemias occur in people without any family history of
leukemia, and are not believed to be inherited. However, some forms of the
disease, especially chronic lymphoid leukemia, occasionally strike close
relatives in the same family. Certain genetic abnormalities (such as Down
syndrome) have been linked to the development of specific forms of leukemia. In
cases of myeloid leukemia, an increased risk of the illness has been linked to
excessive exposure to radiation and to heavy exposure to benzene, a chemical
found in unleaded gasoline.

Symptoms

Early symptoms of leukemia are like symptoms of the flu or other common
diseases. Symptoms include:

   * Fever
   * Fatigue
   * Aches in bones or joints
   * Headaches
   * Skin rashes
   * Swollen glands (lymph nodes)
   * Frequent infections
   * Unexplained weight loss
   * Bleeding or swelling of gums
   * An enlarged spleen or liver, or a feeling of abdominal fullness
   * Slow healing cuts, nosebleeds or frequent bruises

Diagnosis

Your doctor may not suspect leukemia based on your symptoms alone. However,
during your physical examination, your doctor may discover that you have swollen
lymph nodes or an enlarged liver or spleen. The diagnosis may become clearer
when routine blood tests (especially blood cell counts) show abnormal results.
Diagnostic procedures will follow, including a bone marrow biopsy (a sample of
bone marrow is removed and examined), more blood tests to detect the presence of
abnormal cells and, sometimes, tests for genetic abnormalities, such as the
Philadelphia chromosome.

Expected Duration

In general, chronic leukemia progresses more slowly than acute leukemia. Without
Gleevec, a relatively new drug, or a bone marrow transplant, people with chronic
myeloid leukemia typically have several years of stability before developing a
picture more like acute myeloid leukemia. Whether the transformation from a
chronic leukemia to an acute leukemia can be delayed or prevented by Gleevec
remains to be seen.

Prevention

There is no way to prevent most forms of leukemia. In the future, genetic
testing may play a larger role in identifying people who are more likely to
develop the illness. Until then, close relatives of people with leukemia should
follow a normal schedule of routine physical exams, unless suspicious symptoms
develop.

Treatment

Acute leukemia
Unlike other cancers, the treatment of acute leukemia does not depend on how far
the disease has advanced, but on the person's condition and on whether the
person is newly diagnosed, continuing treatment, in remission (the disease is
controlled) or the disease has come back after a remission.

With acute lymphoid leukemia, treatment generally occurs in phases, although not
all phases are used for all people with the disease:

   * Phase 1 (called induction therapy) uses chemotherapy in the hospital to
try to control the disease.
   * Phase 2 (called consolidation) continues chemotherapy, but on an
outpatient basis (returning to the hospital for treatment, but not staying
overnight) to keep the person in remission.
   * Phase 3 (called prophylaxis) uses different chemotherapy drugs, sometimes
combined with radiation therapy, to prevent the leukemia from entering the brain
and central nervous system.
   * Phase 4 (called maintenance) involves regular physical exams and
laboratory tests after the leukemia has been treated to be sure that it has not
returned.
   * Recurrent leukemia uses further doses of various chemotherapy drugs in
different dosages to combat a disease that has returned. People may need several
years of chemotherapy to keep the leukemia in remission. Some people may receive
a bone marrow transplant.

With acute myeloid leukemia, treatment generally depends on the type of the
disease, as well as the person's age and overall health. Usually people receive
induction therapy in an effort to send the leukemia into remission.
Consolidation and maintenance therapies may be used, but they are less effective
for acute myeloid leukemia than for acute lymphoid leukemia. For all types of
acute leukemia, a bone marrow transplant is an option when chemotherapy alone
has been less successful.

Chronic leukemia
For chronic lymphoid leukemia, the next step after diagnosis is to determine the
extent of the cancer. This is called staging. There are four stages of chronic
lymphoid leukemia:

   * Stage 0 — There are too many lymphocytes in the blood. Generally, there
are no other symptoms of leukemia.
   * Stage I — Lymph nodes are swollen because of too many lymphocytes in the
blood.
   * Stage II — Lymph nodes, spleen and liver are swollen as a result of an
overabundance of lymphocytes.
   * Stage III — Anemia has developed because there are too few red blood cells
in the blood.
different types of leukemia:

   * Acute lymphoid leukemia — In general, children with this cancer have a
90-percent chance of complete remission, with an 80-percent, five year survival
rate. The adult prognosis is not as good, with only 25 percent to 35 percent of
adults surviving for five years.

   * Acute myeloid leukemia — With proper treatment, 70 percent to 75 percent
of people with this cancer can expect to go into remission. About 80 percent who
go into remission will do so within one month of induction therapy. In some
people, however, the disease will return, lowering the cure rate to no more than
40 percent.

   * Chronic lymphoid leukemia — On average, people with this cancer survive
nine years, although some have survived as long as 35 years. In Stage I or II,
remission occurs in about 70 percent of people treated with chemotherapy,
although the cancer always comes back eventually.

   * Chronic myeloid leukemia — How long people with chronic myeloid leukemia
survive depends on the age of the person, the extent of the disease and the
treatments used. For example, 60 percent of people under age 40 with mild
symptoms survive three years after treatment if they have a bone marrow
transplant. Only 15 percent to 25 percent of those without a transplant live
longer than five years. A few people have lived as long as 20 years. It's
possible that the drug Gleevec will improve survival rates, but that won't be
known for a few years.
Z - 27 Jan 2005 22:31 GMT
Hi  J
 Thank you so much for all your help. My father is a rock hard Italian
man who is hard to deal with and a Dr who don't make to much sense. Be
We'll try to get thru it. I'll keep posting. Thank you again
Z
J - 28 Jan 2005 00:30 GMT
>   Thank you so much for all your help. My father is a rock hard Italian
> man who is hard to deal with and a Dr who don't make to much sense. Be
> We'll try to get thru it. I'll keep posting. Thank you again

Hello Z, it's difficult when the lines of communication have some
roadblocks eh?
From your last post, he's 87?
What brought him to the diagnosis. Symptoms? or accidental find?
What is his goal for treatment? Cure or helping the symptoms or has this
been discussed?
Steph, our fav doctor here, has some Questions to Ask
http://tinyurl.com/vh34
You may wish to print them up and ask your father to get answers from the
oncologist.
Are you able to go with him to talk with the doctor and/or someone go with
him to write the answers down?
Are you his caregiver?  Or do you live nearby?
Perhaps the solution is for him to try the treatments and if the side
effects start getting worse than the treatment and his quality of life
doesn't improve, you could talk to him about whether it's a good idea or
not to pursue it.
If he's very healthy (otherwise) perhaps he can tolerate the treatment, but
in "oldies" like that it's hard to know how much treatments their bodies
can tolerate. I know because of the things my Dad went through. But perhaps
it will be different with your father.  I know "rock hard Italian" <smile>
Keep in touch and let us know how you and he are doing.
Hugs
J
Z - 28 Jan 2005 03:12 GMT
Hello J
    I do go with my father to the Dr and I did hand the doctor Steph
list of question's and he handed me back the paper and said don't worry
or look so mad we will take care of your dad.
 My dad took a regular blood test for being so tired and they noticed
to many proteins in it so they sent him to an oncology Dr
`I asked him if my father had cancer he said no, but had leukemia which
IS cancer I asked if he needed chemo he said no he would take oral med's
and a half hour treatment of zometa once a month to add extra calcium to
thin the blood in his bone's because his bone's are like a sponge with a
lot of hole's in them and if the blood run's to thick it could make his
bone's more brittle. I will find out more next week Thank's again
  I know when my husband had lung cancer stage 4 it broke him down to
nothing. Just hearing the word's cancer only make's me feel  NUT'S.
Z
J - 28 Jan 2005 09:18 GMT
>      I do go with my father to the Dr and I did hand the doctor Steph
> list of question's and he handed me back the paper and said don't worry
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>    I know when my husband had lung cancer stage 4 it broke him down to
> nothing. Just hearing the word's cancer only make's me feel  NUT'S.

Hello Z,
It's tough when cancer strikes someone else in the family, particularly
since the loss of your husband is so recent.
Looks to me that you've been reading this newsgroup for quite a while if you
already had Steph's Questions to Ask and broached the subject with the
oncologist. So much for getting answers eh?
So the onc is being somewhat paternalistic with you yet assuring you that he
will take good care of your father.
He's also "mincing words". I do that myself when talking about thalidomide.
It really isn't quite like chemo, but some do call it a "chemo" and after
all, he's an oncologist and we expect onc's to give chemo.
Here's what ACS says about thalidomide.. http://tinyurl.com/3g27b
"Thalidomide Helps Patients with Blood Cell Production"  but they're talking
about MDS or myelodysplastic syndrome.
Another place they discuss thalidomide for myeloma or clinical triasl for
"advanced chronic lymphocytic leukemia, low-grade lymphoma, and agnogenic
myeloid metaplasia (idiopathic myelofibrosis)."
<http://www.leukemia-lymphoma.org/all_mat_detail.adp?item_id=9899&sort_order=6&cat_id=>

These blood cancers aren't very familiar to me. I would really like to put
you in touch with others who have the same type of cancer as your father
does, so for now perhaps we can assume that he has CLL (chronic lymphocytic
leukemia ) ?

Would you like to subscribe to the ACOR list for that? There's 2,390
subscribers that you can send messages to (and receive messages from)
http://www.acor.org/mailing.html?l=c

If later, you find out it's a different type of leukemia, there's another
group listed on that same page.
And most of the other leukemias are listed here
http://www.acor.org/mailing.html?l=a (so save these)

Give it a try by joining ACOR and let's see if we can get you lots of
support for you and your father.
I'm not sending you away, but just want you to be in the right place for
your Dad's cancer.

Keep in touch and let us know, from tiime to time, how he and you are doing,
okay?
Many hugs to you and your father,
J
Guess Who - 29 Jan 2005 16:52 GMT
From the same ACS website:
chemotherapy: (key-mo-THER-uh-pee ): treatment with drugs to destroy cancer
cells. Chemotherapy is often used with surgery or radiation to treat cancer
when the cancer has spread, when it has come back (recurred), or when there
is a strong chance that it could recur.

Any drug to treat cancer is chemotherapy, Thalidomide is a drug given to
treat cancer therefore chemotherapy. Lay people often think "chemo" is
related to the IV drugs that are administered by nurse, but any drug given
any route is chemo.

I do that myself when talking about thalidomide.
> It really isn't quite like chemo, but some do call it a "chemo" and after
> all, he's an oncologist and we expect onc's to give chemo.
J - 29 Jan 2005 17:33 GMT
> From the same ACS website:
> chemotherapy: (key-mo-THER-uh-pee ): treatment with drugs to destroy cancer
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> Any drug to treat cancer is chemotherapy,

http://www.nhsdirect.nhs.uk/en.asp?TopicID=115
Although all treatment using drugs can be termed chemotherapy, the word is most
often used to describe treatment by strong cytotoxic drugs for serious diseases
such as cancer. 'Cytotoxic' means that the drug destroys rapidly growing cancer
cells. Cytotoxic drugs are useful in the treatment of many forms of cancer.

Drugs based on sex hormones are also used to treat cancer (eg tamoxifen for
breast cancer). Although they are sometimes referred to as chemotherapy, they
are more often known as hormone-therapy drugs.

The ability to distinguish between the two cell types is not complete, and
cytotoxic drugs cannot avoid causing some damage to normal cells. Consequently
they always have some side effects.

The more rapidly normal cells reproduce, the more likely they are to be damaged
by cytotoxic drugs. For this reason, these drugs cause most damage to cells in
the lining of the bowel, hair-producing cells, the sex glands and the
blood-forming tissue in the bone marrow.

http://www.bccancer.bc.ca/HPI/DrugDatabase/DrugIndexPro/Vinblastine.htm
CLASSIFICATION: Mitotic Inhibitor

http://www.bccancer.bc.ca/HPI/DrugDatabase/DrugIndexPro/Carmustine.htm
 CLASSIFICATION: Alkylating agent

http://www.bccancer.bc.ca/HPI/DrugDatabase/DrugIndexPro/Cisplatin.htm
CLASSIFICATION: Alkylating agent Cisplatin was first synthesized in 1845, but
its cytotoxic properties were not described until 1965.

http://www.bccancer.bc.ca/HPI/DrugDatabase/DrugIndexPro/Megestrol.htm
CLASSIFICATION: Endocrine Hormone

http://www.bccancer.bc.ca/HPI/DrugDatabase/DrugIndexPro/Docetaxel1of2/default.htm

CLASSIFICATION: Mitotic inhibitor, cytotoxic

http://www.bccancer.bc.ca/HPI/DrugDatabase/DrugIndexPro/thalidomide.htm
CLASSIFICATION: Immunomodulator, noncytotoxic

I forget my point, but this is a wonderful database.
J
Socks - 29 Jan 2005 19:20 GMT
>> Any drug to treat cancer is chemotherapy,
>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> drug destroys rapidly growing cancer cells. Cytotoxic drugs are useful
> in the treatment of many forms of cancer.

Zometa is being used to treat my bone mets.  I never considered my zometa
treatments to qualify as chemotherapy.  Am I wrong in that position?

Signature

"Some witty person in rec.arts.sf.composition (I forget who) called them
feral apostrophes. Untamed, unregulated, they roam the wastes of the
English language and pop up where lea'st expected."

J - 29 Jan 2005 19:46 GMT
> >> Any drug to treat cancer is chemotherapy,
> >
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> Zometa is being used to treat my bone mets.  I never considered my zometa
> treatments to qualify as chemotherapy.  Am I wrong in that position?

Well, I call it a Bisphosphonate
It's under Supportive Treatments here
http://www.cancerbacup.org.uk/Treatments
and  thalidomide is under Angiogenesis inhibitors (under Biological
therapies)
There's a different section for chemotherapy.

Thanks for the opportunity. I'll keep adding more if we find other
databases..
J
Guess Who - 30 Jan 2005 00:44 GMT
The inservices I have attended, all refer to any drug to treat cancer as
Chemotherapy. For example, Tamoxiphen, which blocks estrogen and used in
breast cancer, has been referred as chemotherapy.

http://www.cancer.org/docroot/ETO/content/ETO_1_4X_What_Are_The_Different_Types_
Of_Chemotherapy_Drugs.asp?sitearea=ETO


Thalidomide would fit into other category. Zoneta does not work on the
cancer cells, it works on the damage cancer caused.
To doctors, nurses, pharmacists, and health professionals, the word
chemotherapy means any drug (such as aspirin or penicillin) used for
treating people with any disease. Most of us, however, think of anticancer
medicines to treat cancer when we hear the term chemotherapy. Two other
medical terms often used to describe cancer chemotherapy are antineoplastic
(meaning anticancer) and cytotoxic (cell-killing).

"Although all treatment using drugs can be termed chemotherapy, the word is
most often used to describe treatment by strong cytotoxic drugs for serious
diseases such as cancer."

http://www.nhsdirect.nhs.uk/en.asp?TopicID=115

"Treatment with anticancer drugs that travel through the bloodstream,
reaching and affecting cells all over the body".Cancer.govPatient
bj - 30 Jan 2005 02:43 GMT
If I said I'd had chemotherapy, people would think I'd had something
entirely different from what I did have, which was radioactive iodine for
thyroid cancer. And they'd be wondering why I didn't throw up and lose my
hair in the process.

But I can't exactly call it having "radiation" either -- that also gives a
different impression -- most people would think I meant EBR, which I
certainly didn't have.

OTOH, maybe they'd also realize that thyroid cancer really is
*cancer*. (Some of us get the "are you sure it's cancer you don't look sick
why don't you just cheer up/get some exercise/do all that you usually
do/etc. & *why* can't you do " <this or that while very hypothyroid>....)
Also, explaining that I've never even met an oncologist, but (after surgery)
been followed & treated by endocrinologists & nuclear med doctors could make
their eyes glaze over.
bj

> The inservices I have attended, all refer to any drug to treat cancer as
> Chemotherapy. ...
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> is most often used to describe treatment by strong cytotoxic drugs for
> serious diseases such as cancer."
...
> "Treatment with anticancer drugs that travel through the bloodstream,
> reaching and affecting cells all over the body".Cancer.govPatient
J - 30 Jan 2005 08:27 GMT
> If I said I'd had chemotherapy, people would think I'd had something
> entirely different from what I did have, which was radioactive iodine for
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> their eyes glaze over.
> bj

good points
J
Guess Who - 30 Jan 2005 16:55 GMT
> If I said I'd had chemotherapy, people would think I'd had something
> entirely different from what I did have, which was radioactive iodine for
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> their eyes glaze over.
> bj

Perhaps the cure rate for thyroid cancer is so high people forget it is
cancer, now with a supreme court member so very public ill people will have
a new appreciation for thyroid cancer. Alex
J - 30 Jan 2005 17:26 GMT
> Perhaps the cure rate for thyroid cancer is so high people forget it is
> cancer,

That's probably true.

> now with a supreme court member so very public ill people will have
> a new appreciation for thyroid cancer.

Renquist died. Nobody knew what he went through (surgery, RAI, off replacement
thyroid hormones, etc) except his close family, friends, I guess.
I suspect reading this or the thyroid newsgroup, someone's testimonial page,
would be the only way, people would know what thryoid cancer patients go
through. (or having it oneself).
J
bj - 30 Jan 2005 18:22 GMT
> Renquist died.

He did?
When?
I know I've been distracted lately, but to miss this???
bj
J - 30 Jan 2005 18:32 GMT
> > Renquist died.
>
> He did?
> When?
> I know I've been distracted lately, but to miss this???
> bj

Gee, my apologies.
I guess I was remembering wrong. My mistake.
J
bj - 30 Jan 2005 21:11 GMT
I'm not saying it isn't true -- but I haven't heard about it & I think I
hear enough news reports that I'm pretty sure I would have -- especially
living in DC! But he certainly looked frail 10days ago at the inauguration.
bj

>> > Renquist died.
>>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> I guess I was remembering wrong. My mistake.
> J
J - 30 Jan 2005 21:33 GMT
> I'm not saying it isn't true -- but I haven't heard about it & I think I
> hear enough news reports that I'm pretty sure I would have -- especially
> living in DC! But he certainly looked frail 10days ago at the inauguration.
> bj

Nothing came up (as a news item) when I typed in his name into Google search
engine.
But he might be if this thread continues...
I'll take your word that he's still alive.
Sorry for my error.
J
Alan B. Mac Farlane - 31 Jan 2005 17:27 GMT
his anger and contempt is taking him away ...

all hail God the Father who makes babies with His children ...

to save the world of course ...

its a miracle ...

whoopee we all gonna die ...

so Jesus can cum again ...

sumbuddie on da watchtower

:)

>> I'm not saying it isn't true -- but I haven't heard about it & I think I
>> hear enough news reports that I'm pretty sure I would have -- especially
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> Sorry for my error.
> J
Guess Who - 30 Jan 2005 22:45 GMT
> I'm not saying it isn't true -- but I haven't heard about it & I think I
> hear enough news reports that I'm pretty sure I would have -- especially
> living in DC! But he certainly looked frail 10days ago at the
> inauguration.
> bj

He did look awful,  Alex
J - 24 Feb 2005 09:30 GMT
> I'm not saying it isn't true -- but I haven't heard about it & I think I
> hear enough news reports that I'm pretty sure I would have -- especially
> living in DC! But he certainly looked frail 10days ago at the inauguration.
> bj

http://www.voanews.com/english/2005-02-22-voa49.cfm
Well, he looks pretty good/strong here, but that might be a "pre" photo.
I read that he took 2 weeks off. Working from hone during treatment.
J
bj - 30 Jan 2005 18:22 GMT
>> OTOH, maybe they'd also realize that thyroid cancer really is *cancer*.

> Perhaps the cure rate for thyroid cancer is so high people forget it is
> cancer, now with a supreme court member so very public ill people will
> have a new appreciation for thyroid cancer. Alex

However, they'll probably think his is more typical than it really is,
rather than (apparently, from what's been made public) pretty unusual.
Maybe they'll be more impressed with how well I've done, thinking
I've been through a *lot* more than I actually have!

But yes, at least people won't say "huh?" when they hear "thyroid cancer".
My reaction was something on the order of "I didn't know it existed" --
it may be rising in incidence, but it's still pretty low in how much there
is around, and yes, it does (generally) have a good prognosis. Not that
I consider myself "cured", just "no evidence of disease" -- and this year
I get to skip my scan after 4 annual good ones.
bj
J - 30 Jan 2005 09:14 GMT
> The inservices I have attended, all refer to any drug to treat cancer as
> Chemotherapy. For example, Tamoxiphen, which blocks estrogen and used in
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>
> Thalidomide would fit into other category.

"other category"

> Zoneta does not work on the
> cancer cells, it works on the damage cancer caused.
> To doctors, nurses, pharmacists, and health professionals, the word
> chemotherapy means any drug (such as aspirin or penicillin) used for
> treating people with any disease.

LOL

> Most of us, however, think of anticancer
> medicines to treat cancer when we hear the term chemotherapy. Two other
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> most often used to describe treatment by strong cytotoxic drugs for serious
> diseases such as cancer."

and thalidomide is noncytotoxic
http://www.bccancer.bc.ca/HPI/DrugDatabase/DrugIndexPro/thalidomide.htm
CLASSIFICATION: Immunomodulator, noncytotoxic
J
Guess Who - 30 Jan 2005 01:00 GMT
http://www.chemocare.com/bio/bio.sps?iBiographyID=9171

http://www.multiple-myeloma-treatment.com/html/chemotherapy.php3

Both sites  list Thalidonmide as chemotherapy.
J - 30 Jan 2005 09:06 GMT
> http://www.multiple-myeloma-treatment.com/html/chemotherapy.php3
>
> Both sites  list Thalidonmide as chemotherapy.

Why would you point me to a flakey website that has "Osteoarthritis
Treatment
Pain relief is an important part of the treatment of osteoarthritis.
High Cholesterol
Information on the link between cholesterol levels and heart disease.
Menopause and HRT
HRT is a controversial treatment for menopause symptoms.
Bipolar Disorder Information
Bipolar disorder affects nearly two million Americans.
Premenstrual Dysphoric Disorder
Prementrual dysphoric disorder is rare and can be severe. "

on it?

See our recommended links..

http://myeloma.org/main.jsp?tab_id=2&type=article&id=90#thal02
Is Thalidomide the Same as Chemotherapy?

Chemotherapy works by killing cells that are dividing. These cells include
cancer cells as well as some normal cells in the body. Hair loss, nausea
and vomiting, and gastric upset are common side effects that occur,
because some healthy cells are affected by chemotherapy. Thalidomide is
not considered a form of chemotherapy. It is instead considered a new kind
of treatment, because it can affect the levels of certain proteins that
the body normally uses to control the activity of cells.

http://www.myeloma.org/pdfs/HB2004.pdf "frontline treatment options"

http://www.cancerbacup.org.uk/Cancertype/Myeloma/Treatment/Typesoftreatmentused

Thalidomide has recently been found to be effective in controlling myeloma
that has come back after chemotherapy. Thalidomide is also being tested as
a treatment for newly diagnosed myeloma.'

That settles it. I'm not calling it chemo.
J
Guess Who - 30 Jan 2005 17:01 GMT
> That settles it. I'm not calling it chemo.
> J

I am glad you are not calling it chemo. Monday, I shall tell the
oncologists, pharmacists, and nurses I work with they are wrong,
<G>Seriously, I know the word chemo tied to the layperson's view of chemo.
but where I work chemo = a drug to fight cancer.

Alex
J - 30 Jan 2005 17:23 GMT
> I am glad you are not calling it chemo. Monday, I shall tell the
> oncologists, pharmacists, and nurses I work with they are wrong,
> <G>Seriously, I know the word chemo tied to the layperson's view of chemo.
> but where I work chemo = a drug to fight cancer.

Whatever floats your boat.
I'd sure object if someone gave me an aspirin (your example) and said: here's
your chemo.

J
J - 05 Feb 2005 08:48 GMT
>      I do go with my father to the Dr and I did hand the doctor Steph
> list of question's and he handed me back the paper and said don't worry
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> lot of hole's in them and if the blood run's to thick it could make his
> bone's more brittle. I will find out more next week Thank's again

Hello Z, there's your post. (I lost track of it, we changed subject lines so
many times)
What happened this past week?  Have things been clarified?
And how are you and your father?
Hugs
J
Mike Radcliffe - 28 Jan 2005 18:36 GMT
> Hi
> Got the result's for my father's bone marrow biopsy.The Dr said he had
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> I hope this help's. I don't know what to think.
> Z

Leukaemia is 'cancer' of the blood and cells in the bone marrow that make
white blood cells.
Curative treatment can be very harrowing in the acute (late) stage but the
early chronic phase can be controlled sometimes more easily.
You have to be very fit to contemplate acute stage curative treatment.
MIKE
 
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