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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Cancer / December 2004A statement to the group
I have a great deal of compassion for the patients and care givers that come here for support. God bless you. May you always feel welcome here. I am here in alt.support.cancer because I have cancer in both kidneys. I understand the issues. I have dealt with many of the problems. Contrary to the opinions of some, I have no desire to moderate this newsgroup. I am not a doctor. However, I believe strongly in conventional medicine. I believe that clinical trials and peer review separate valid treatments from unsafe or ineffective treatments. Please do not waste my time with testimonials. I have a deep hatred for medical fraud, which unfortunately is making a home in alt med. The alt med community appears to care less that they are being hijacked by quacks. This indifference is causing great harm. I have an equal dislike for promoters of unproven treatments, also hosted by alt med. It is becoming difficult to distinguish between alt med and fraud. I don't have the time or patience to sort them out. So therefore, I have grouped them and treat them with equal disdain. Alt med, fraud, or unproven; they are the same in my mind. I have no love or sympathy for those that would use the alt.support.cancer newsgroup to promote those unproven treatments--for whatever purposes, real or imagined. I will oppose all attempts by these loonies to dominate this newsgroup or saturate it with their propaganda. Ten years ago I lost a son to suicide. Since that time I have experienced clinical depression. I am on medication, but the side effects are difficult at times. In an attempt to alleviate the side effects the dosage is being adjusted. This may mean that I display anger, which is a layer between normal and depressed. I am doing my best to correct and control this anger. If you feel that I am stepping out of the bounds of reasonable behavior, feel free to bring that to my attention. However, when it comes to newsgroup loonies there are no limits to what I consider reasonable behavior. If you feel I have unjustly judged you as a loonie, feel free to complain. If however, I think you are a loonie looking for some undeserved slack, the result will be additional pressure. Please consider this before complaining, as it is my life's work to make life hell for loonies. I will no longer discuss the Charter or Acceptable Use Policies within the group, as it appears to distract some from the real issues being discussed. That does not mean I will stop enforcing the Charter or AUP offline. I plan to continue filing complaints in the background--when appropriate. As time permits the complaints will be expanded to include websites run by loonies. Please feel free to comment. Have a good day. Jerry > If you feel that I am stepping out of the bounds of reasonable behavior, > feel free to bring that to my attention. However, when it comes to [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Jerry Happy New Years Jerry! I too hate medical fraud, I have been employed by the "conventional" medical community my whole career. You have the absolute right ( like all of us) to report and complain when you feel a post is offensive, doing it off line will be great. Wish you a health new year also Alex > I am not a doctor. However, I believe strongly in conventional medicine. I > believe that clinical trials and peer review separate valid treatments from > unsafe or ineffective treatments. The establishment separates competitive treatments and their clinical trials from you, and any peers who don't go along end up blackedballed and/or in prison. Do a websearch for Professor Ivy and Krebiozen He taught medical school, vice-president of the University of Illinois, board member of what is now called American Cancer Society, yet quackwatch.org lists him as a quack :o/ He announced he was beginning clinical trials of Krebiozen; Within days they moved in and shut him down. He was removed from his post at the university and blackballed. He was arrested for several felonies and it took him many years to clear all those charges and his name, with several government agents being convicted of jury tampering along the way. This wasn't a single incident, but a systematic suppression of an alternative to chemo that lasted decades. Every credible treatment that competes with chemo and radiation get discredited, condemned and their doctors get imprisoned and run out of the country. >I have a great deal of compassion for the patients and care givers that >come here for support. God bless you. May you always feel welcome here. [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] > >Jerry Carry on, no one here to take up the slack with your vigor. I admit to not reading a lot of your and others posts due doe information overload. It is easy to get jaded when that information is there again and again but it will be missed very much once it is no longer available. (Have experienced that in hobby groups.) Thanks for all your efforts, Orping > I have a great deal of compassion for the patients and care givers that > come here for support. God bless you. May you always feel welcome here. [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] > > Jerry I agree and support you Jerry. This newsgroup is full of kind, caring, compassionate souls and it makes my blood boil when it is used by others to vent their off the wall beliefs. I am sorry for your troubles too and hope that life will be kinder to you in the future. The efforts and time that you and J make to this ng are deeply appreciated. Warm Hugs Alayne > I will no longer discuss the Charter or Acceptable Use Policies within the > group, as it appears to distract some from the real issues being discussed. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Please feel free to comment. This doesn't make sense. You want comments but not discuss the Charter. Is the Charter not to be posted anymore? Are you planning to report people off newsgroup wi/o the courtesy of warning them first by posting the Charter to them? I understand if this message is directed towards known loonies, (if so, fine, they know about the Charter) but some blunder in here w/o realizing there's a Charter and they think they're coming in to do the group a favour with their post. Or they are patients or loved ones or carers or "dimwits". Are you just going to report them and have them lose their ISP's w/o warning them first? Doesn't make sense to me. I think the regulars and newbies need to know how and which situations you're going to do the reporting. I have applied the same (posted the Charter/warned) to anyone who seems to fit the "not appropriate" section in the Charter or the definition of "spam" in the Miscellaneous section (which really should be in the Charter). I warn them first with the Charter, then if they insist, I've been reporting them or forwarding to their posts to you, when you've been less busy and/or not travelling. Yes, we've lost some patients or loved ones. Other more reasonable have worked it out with me. I thought your cancer was in remission. I'm sorry to hear it's back. Does that mean you'll be here reading the newsgroup posts everyday from now on ? and I no longer have to forward "offenders" posts to you as has been happening for the past year and a half ? Or are you here just over the holidays and back to travel and your corporation issues? J - confused > This doesn't make sense. It does to me. When the group gets to the point that members feel forced to leave--due to over regulation--it is time to think about how members perceive you. I want the members to respond positively to me. I want the loonies to loathe me. How hard is that to understand? Jerry > I will no longer discuss the Charter or Acceptable Use Policies within the > group, as it appears to distract some from the real issues being discussed. > That does not mean I will stop enforcing the Charter or AUP offline. I plan > to continue filing complaints in the background--when appropriate. As time > permits the complaints will be expanded to include websites run by loonies. If you mean the "warning" aspect, or reporting aspect, some don't even know their own AUP's. I post the link and the relevant paragraph. Then there's others who wanted to know how to report, so I've been posting the headers to the offending post and the addresses where to complain to. No one's indispensable. Either of us could disappear and others here need to know how to report them (into the future). Three reasons, to show lurkers what will happen if they do the same. Show patients/loved ones etc, which posts to ignore and teach those who wish to also complain, to know how to professionallly complain the way you do so well. J |
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