Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Cancer / December 2004
"Incurable" bone cancer cured by Gerson therapy
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john - 20 Dec 2004 21:02 GMT http://www.whale.to/c/gearin.html
Howard Straus - 22 Dec 2004 00:33 GMT There is a documentary on the Gerson Therapy available for free on the Internet at www.thegersonmiracle.org. It was released this year, and promptly won the Golden Palm for Best Picture at the 2004 Beverly Hills Film Festival (www.beverlyhillsfilmfestival.com)
The 91-minute film, directed by cinematographer Steve Kroschel ("Vertical Limit", "Seven Years in Tibet", "Running Free"), is divided into 11 chapters for viewing convenience.
Howard Straus
> http://www.whale.to/c/gearin.html J - 22 Dec 2004 06:22 GMT > There is a documentary on the Gerson Therapy We have a Charter here, which says "If you cannot resist posting a cure or treatment here, post the complete treatment description with supporting data. That would include clinical trial results and papers published in reputable journals. Provide your connection or affiliation-financial or otherwise-with the product, the company, board of directors, or owners. Provide your qualifications to discuss this product, including but not limited to degrees, positions, experience, titles, publications, and references. If you have a record of criminal arrest, you must reveal the date, location, circumstances, and outcome. Links to this information are acceptable." http://www.cancersupporters.com/asc/charter.html#_Toc45613447 It also says "Making outrageous or unsupported claims is prohibited". Pointing us to a website that claims Gerson can cure cancer, is mading an outrageour and unsupported claim.
Unlike "john", your ISP has an AUP. http://www.earthlink.net/about/policies/use/ Read "m" about respecting Charters. Your posts about Gerson are not welcome here. Scram or you will be reported. J
Howard Straus - 25 Dec 2004 04:03 GMT So, "J",
I will be happy to do that, but first, I would like you to identify yourself.
Are you the official censor or moderator of the newsgroup? Do you officially speak for the whole group when you threaten people and flame them? If so, why do you have to hide behind the anonymous "J" with no name?
Who are YOU working for? You will notice that I didn't hide MY name or email address. Are you threatening me personally or on behalf of the whole group?
You write like the delicensed quackpot Stephen Barrett. If you are not him, are you working for the pharmaceutical companies?
I have made no outrageous claims, NOR have I threatened anyone. If you are not the official moderator of the group, how dare you tell me I am not welcome as anyone else? If you are, please identify yourself, with name, affiliation, and a return email address, if you are not too cowardly to do so.
Howard Straus
>> There is a documentary on the Gerson Therapy > [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > Scram or you will be reported. > J john - 27 Dec 2004 15:25 GMT > So, "J", > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Howard Straus She wont tell you anything, I've asked. I can guess who pulls her strings, probably on Barretts HeathFraud list.
I have said I'll go if they withdraw complaints to my ISP, but they have failed to do that, they just like causing me problems, and quite honestly I am happy to leave them to chemo. They like to keep unmoderated newsgroups under control--otherwise why don't they form a moderated newsgroup for orthodox med????
Can't see my motive for posting alternative medicine other than informing people, I have been studying it for 10 years, and have no financial incentive in it, but the pharma boys play hardball--there is a trillion $$ industry at stake resting on lies http://www.whale.to/a/hoaxmed.html
Jerry - 27 Dec 2004 19:08 GMT > I have said I'll go if they withdraw complaints to my ISP, but they have > failed to do that, they just like causing me problems, and quite honestly I > am happy to leave them to chemo. They like to keep unmoderated newsgroups > under control--otherwise why don't they form a moderated newsgroup for > orthodox med???? It is you that causes the problem. You are just the complaints as a feeble excuse to continue trolling. You were offered a deal and refused it. Not only will I not withdraw my complaints, I will continue to file additional complaints with any ISP you use--as long as you continue to troll this newsgroup.
There is a newsgroup for your crap med. Why do you not use it and leave us to cancer support issues?
> Can't see my motive for posting alternative medicine other than informing > people, I have been studying it for 10 years, and have no financial > incentive in it, but the pharma boys play hardball--there is a trillion $$ > industry at stake resting on lies http://www.whale.to/a/hoaxmed.html I am so sick of this misinformation you are spreading. If I want to know about this crap I can Google your web site. Why keep forcing your web site upon me when I neither want it or appreciate it? If you are so smart why can you not grasp this?
Jerry
Peter Moran - 25 Dec 2004 05:43 GMT > There is a documentary on the Gerson Therapy available for free on the > Internet at www.thegersonmiracle.org. It was released this year, and > promptly won the Golden Palm for Best Picture at the 2004 Beverly Hills > Film Festival (www.beverlyhillsfilmfestival.com) Howard, do you still claim Beata Bishop had "Stage 1V spreading melanoma" when she actually initially had stage 1 superficial spreading melanoma and progressed to stage two while on the Gerson treatment?
Gearin Tosh is yet another of the testimonials where we have to give the benefit of considderable doubt. He is still anaemic, with osteoporotic bones suggesting that he still has an indolent form of melanoma. Nowhere that I can see are the investigations provided that would allow anyone to claim that he is cured of myeloma.
And about the man with the huge BCC on his back you sent me a photo of? When can we see the effect of Gerson on him?
I showed you how to demonstrate your treatment works, by taking patients with proven active cancer and demonstrating that cancer actually remits in a measurable number, as you specifically claim they do.. Instead you have chosen to produce a film wherein you can rewrite history, select and distort.
Don't whine about the quackbusters. You need to be screwed until you support your claims, as I have given you every opportunity to do in our private correspondence.
(Cancer patients, don't take any notice of this unless you want to. You are entitled to use Gerson if you wish. This is about the ethical, scientific and informed consent responsibilities of those promoting "alternative" treatments.)
Peter Moran.
ralph - 25 Dec 2004 12:09 GMT > (Cancer patients, don't take any notice of this unless you want to. You are > entitled to use Gerson if you wish. This is about the ethical, scientific > and informed consent responsibilities of those promoting "alternative" > treatments.) wow ! You sound like an authority - a doctor? my wife has cancer - they say they can cure it with surgery and radiation theorapy but she doesn't want scars and we've all been scared of radiation and the chemo. Besides, I need her to be well, while I work, so she can take of me and the kids. So I'll tell her right now. We are going to forget the doctors and go get this Gerson cure. bye now, and thx
Simm Webb - 26 Dec 2004 02:40 GMT Funny, when one kicks a wall in an old house, the cockroaches do come running around, don't they.
>> (Cancer patients, don't take any notice of this unless you want to. You are >> entitled to use Gerson if you wish. This is about the ethical, scientific [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >Gerson cure. >bye now, and thx Grateful to be back.
Eddie MD OTF
Peter Moran - 26 Dec 2004 05:24 GMT >> (Cancer patients, don't take any notice of this unless you want to. You >> are [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > Gerson cure. > bye now, and thx That is your right. You can be lucky too. After a simple excision biopsy sixty per cent of women with early breast cancer will be alive and free of overt cancer five years later, without any extra treatment. (The addition of radiotherapy, and chemotherapy in higher risk cases, can boost the disease-free *ten* year survival rates to about ninety per cent, and this is why the doctors are obliged to offer it.) This is what you will find the Gerson testimonilas are based upon.
If she has an excision biopsy and no other treatment make sure you don't "forget the doctors". Her life may still be saved and she will surely be spared much misery if any recurrence of the cancer in the breast (I am assuming that is what she has) is detected and treated early. There are some sad cases about of women who made the wrong decision and tried this treatment and that until it was too late.
Peter Moran.
Jerry - 26 Dec 2004 16:56 GMT >> (Cancer patients, don't take any notice of this unless you want to. You are >> entitled to use Gerson if you wish. This is about the ethical, scientific [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Gerson cure. > bye now, and thx Ralph,
I don't know what to think about your post. If this is your attempt at humor, it is surely lost on me. It makes me sad to think that anyone would bypass proven effective treatments for a coffee enema.
Jerry
Peter Moran - 26 Dec 2004 20:24 GMT >>> (Cancer patients, don't take any notice of this unless you want to. You >>> are [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > Jerry Gee! Do you think it might have been a joke? I suppose that is possible. I would inevitably miss such a joke because I have encountered a few (fortunately still just a few) who have gone the path described and ended up in great misery from uncontrolled local cancer.
Peter
Jerry - 26 Dec 2004 23:38 GMT >>>> (Cancer patients, don't take any notice of this unless you want to. You >>>> are [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > Peter Peter,
I hope he is not serious.
Jerry
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