Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Cancer / December 2004
The existence of cancer proves the non-existence of god !
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Bruno Beam - 16 Dec 2004 03:57 GMT Yes, cancer is so evil, it must have been invented by Satan.But there can't be a god , because god would have destroyed cancer.
Mike Radcliffe - 16 Dec 2004 05:38 GMT > Yes, cancer is so evil, it must have been invented by Satan.But there > can't be a god , because god would have destroyed cancer. So which way would you like to die...God did make us mortal. Disease has no will, good or bad, so cannot be evil, which requires intent. Without death the world would be an awfully crowded place. The only alternative would be a select few of us (or them) living forever and that, in my humble opinion, would be the worst kind of hell! MIKE p.s. cancer is not usually the worst disease to suffer from by quite a wide margin.
J - 16 Dec 2004 09:54 GMT > Without death the world would be an awfully crowded place. > The only alternative would be a select few of us (or them) living forever > and that, in my humble opinion, would be the worst kind of hell! They say that our brain cells (we have far more than we'll ever need in a lifetime) start dying as soon as we we are born. Can you imagine living 300 or 400 years? All that information, so few brain cells left.. <g> J
J - 16 Dec 2004 09:56 GMT > > Without death the world would be an awfully crowded place. > > The only alternative would be a select few of us (or them) living forever [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Can you imagine living 300 or 400 years? All that information, so few brain > cells left.. <g> We'd need a spare brain to plug in and archive some of the information, like a spare hard drive or writeable CD. J
Kg273lm - 16 Dec 2004 14:01 GMT >> Yes, cancer is so evil, it must have been invented by Satan.But there >> can't be a god , because god would have destroyed cancer. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >p.s. cancer is not usually the worst disease to suffer from by quite a wide >margin. Not to be rude, but after being around Stage IV cancer friends (and believe me, there's millions of us out there), there's not much worse than watching cancer eat every major part of your body......not to mention the horrible chemotherapy & treatments we all have to live with to survive another day.
Please walk a mile in my shoes before you make a comment like that again.
Cindi
Steph - 16 Dec 2004 16:34 GMT >>> Yes, cancer is so evil, it must have been invented by Satan.But there >>> can't be a god , because god would have destroyed cancer. [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > Cindi I think Mike Radcliffe has walked a few miles Cindi. And he's right. There are many diseases as bad or worse than cancer.
Mike Radcliffe - 17 Dec 2004 05:58 GMT >>p.s. cancer is not usually the worst disease to suffer from by quite a >>wide [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Cindi Cindi, I've been nursing cancer patients for 16years, the last 12 years as a community hospice nurse. In that time I've known very few (single figures) patients who had what I would call a bad death. Many relatives / carers have described it as beautiful. If you have good people around you and competent , caring professional staff then it is almost inevitable that dying is, if not easy then certainly not hard. The really hard part is accepting our mortality and realisng when fighting the disease is futile,causing more problems than it solves. When you get to this stage you can spend the last days, weeks or months living instead of dying. Everybody who is diagnosed with cancer (or any other serious disease for that matter) should make a pact with themselves and their family and doctors that they may not be cured and should decide at what point they are going to change the aim of their treatment or even stop treatment altogether. This doesn't lock you into any firm commitment but introduces the idea at an early stage so you can at least be prepared...which far too many people are not MIKE
Blues Ma - 17 Dec 2004 14:53 GMT > >>p.s. cancer is not usually the worst disease to suffer from by quite a > >>wide [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > not > MIKE Mike,
This is the best advice i've read here so far.??? Absolutely true.
Dorothy ?
J - 16 Dec 2004 08:27 GMT > Yes, cancer is so evil, it must have been invented by Satan.But there > can't be a god , because god would have destroyed cancer. Troll alert ! He's trolling numerous newsgroups. If you reply, trim the other newsgroup (news:scot.tld) first. J
Emily - 16 Dec 2004 19:51 GMT zendo_joystick_ankh_hero@yahoo.com.br said...
> Yes, cancer is so evil, it must have been invented by Satan.But there > can't be a god , because god would have destroyed cancer. Hmm. You can't have evil without a concept of good; therefore you can't have satan without God; therefore...
 Signature I try to be a good example to my children, but they just see me as a dire warning.
AR George - 21 Dec 2004 11:04 GMT > Yes, cancer is so evil, it must have been invented by Satan.But there > can't be a god , because god would have destroyed cancer. Sorry I can't subscribe to your theory. I can understand it, but can't get to where you are. I'm not going to go into original sin or self-proving theories about why God does or does not exist.
I believe he exists and I believe everything in this world exists in order to bring us back to him, if properly used. The test I use to figure out if something is from satan or God is to figure out if there is a chance for a win-win situation or a loose-loose. If it is win-win then it is from God, if not it is from satan.
When I was told I had cancer I did not rail against God for smiting me but looked forward to what had to be done. I looked not only to the Bible for inspiration but other places that I had used in the past as well, like John Wayne. In one of his movies a line he used cut to the chase, "Figure out if you are going to live or die, then do it". That pretty well summarized it for me.
I could bring everyone in the family further down or I could lead them and do what I needed to in order to prepare for treatment, I chose to prepare. They felt better because I was looking at the positives and wanted to get well, I felt better because I was helping them and myself.
During my initial chemo and radiation, I met a lot of folks at the hospital who were really trying to help, not just doing a job. I let them know that I appreciated their efforts and them as people, win-win. I felt better because they felt better, and the treatment worked also.
When I had surgery I lost part of my colon, my rectum, as well as my anus, and am now an ostimate. My surgeon did the best she could, but I wanted the best shot at a longer life. They also took three pieces of my liver, but could not get to s spot on my lung. The surgical team did an excellent job, and I thank God for them. The staff at the hospital also were wonderful, and did their best. I hurt, both fore and aft, and there wasn't much I could do to get comfortable, but I could joke with them.
There were also two people who were problems for the staff, who I started visiting on my daily walks. As we got to know one another and I got one of them to walk with me and the other one to not be quite so mean to the staff, we all benefited from improved attitudes. Days when I slipped, they helped me - it wasn't all one way.
After surgery when I started my bolus chemo treatments, same things, if the folks who were in the chemo suite all worked together and had fun and helped one another and shared our faith, we did great. When we allowed folks who were down and surly to ruin the atmosphere, it didn't work out as well - everybody had more aches and pains at the end of the session.
During my second surgery I had a doctor who was the best and a liver specialist, rare in my part of the country. I was also in the same hospital with the same staff. Things went more smoothly and I was able to kind of help with four patients, sort of. Each time I prayed for wisdom and that patient I was successful in working with them, each time I forgot to pray, the initial visits were a disaster. I only discovered this in hindsight.
I can't say having cancer has been fun or a gift, but in a strange way it has been a blessing. In every instance when I have needed something and prayed for it, God has been there to give it to me. When I have tried to help others and have prayed for them or on their behalf, God has been there for strength and guidance and intervention. I don't preach well and haven't tried to convert and of the folks I have tried to help, that usually goes badly, but I can see that God has shown me that I have a role in this world beyond what I ever imagined, and it is very fulfilling.
I'm sorry that you can't see God, it hurts me. I cannot imagine existence without him, and I cannot imagine being apart from him. Like the man who was blind from birth that Jesus healed, when his apostles questioned him as to who had sinned, his father or mother, Christ replied that neither had sinned, the man was blind so God could show his power by healing him through Jesus.
My life has been enriched in every way since we have started working to destroy my cancer. My sister, who was not close to me and who is never on time, has insisted on taking me to appointments and we have become very close as we have had the opportunity to talk. I discovered a true lack of commitment in my wife to being a Christian that we have been able to work through as I have been undergoing treatment. I don't have to stand up and rant and rave that she is going to hell because she lacks faith, we have shared how and what we truly believe and our relationship has deepened as we have discussed our faith and she has drawn closer to God. Friends that I thought were of the true blue variety evaporated at the first sign of trouble, and people who I never thought about as friends have done their very best to help out in my time of need, and I know they are true friends because I have nothing else to give them - but my friendship. My employer volunteered to go to extraordinary lengths to make sure I did not miss a paycheck, even though I have not been able to work very much - the management team has been a true blessing.
I can't help but thank God for each additional breath I take every day, and if I die tomorrow I will thank him for the richness He has added to my life because of this disease. My heart is overflowing even as my body is now in pain as I recover from my latest surgery. If I die, I do not fear His anger, but thank Him for His generosity. Living without Him is to live in a stunted and colorless world, and that I could not bear.
George
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